why if they are so peaceful where their Mullahs and Immas stiring them up to kill Gillian. They are not peaceful. Look through their history relating to Islam. It has never been peaceful with them.
A British Muslim leader discusses the case of jailed teacher Gillian Gibbons and what Islam says about calling toys Muhammad.
why if they are so peaceful where their Mullahs and Immas stiring them up to kill Gillian. They are not peaceful. Look through their history relating to Islam. It has never been peaceful with them.
American Infadel, I would like to refer you to the history of Christians, the people who isntigated the Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, and ( by a group of Christian extremists) the Holocaust. Please before you begin refering to religions as violent as compared to others, please actually think about what you are saying and look their histories and actions.
I am so sick and tired of hearing Muslims complain about the Crusades yet who entirely forget about fthe Moorish invasion of Spain and the occupation of that country for hundreds of years by Muslims. What about the conquest of Greece and the Balkans by the Muslim Turks? What about the Siege of Vienna, Austria in 1529 by Suleiman the Magnificant? How about the massacre of the garrison at Buda (later to become Budapest)? Do you hear Europeans or Christians whine, carp and complain constantly about battles, atrocities and occupations that happened hundreds of years ago??? No, you don't...because we are not enmeshed in a communal spirit of victimhood, the way the Muslim world is. There is more than enough blood, outrage, injustice and cruelty in human history to go around. It seems to me everybody has done it and will do it to their enemies if given half a chance. So quit bellyaching about the Crusades.
I see no religious comparison here. The violence part holds up as well.
Can you imagine a mob of Lutherans being whipped up into a religious frenzy because of some reported insult to the Christian faith? Or picture a posse of Methodists waving swords around and demanding the execution of a newspaper editor because he published a bunch of cartoons?? Yelling and screaming for a teacher to be killed because of the naming of a toy?? It sounds like something right out of the 16th century. Oh yeah, right.. The Muslim world has never left the 16th century. And the rest of us are just supposed to be tolerant, and understanding of their backwardness.
he was a child molester not a profet and if I name my pet muhammad he may get ofended
YOUR IGNORANCE IS OBVIOUS. MAYBE YOU SHOULD EDUCATE YOURSELF ON OTHER RELIGIONS BEFORE MAKING FALSE CLAIMS.I AM A MUSLIM, WHILE MY ENTIRE FAMILY ARE CHRISTIANS...INSULTING ANOTHER RELIGION DOES NOT MAKE YOUR RELIGION BETTER...
The only faith which does not have bishops banning books from parochial schools, mullahs issuing fatwahs, religious conservative preachers lambasting moderates is the Baha'i faith, which forbids clergy and which upholds the right of each individual soul to understand the Spirit of God in his or her own manner of revelation. Frankly there is more than a little post-colonial bs involved in this incident, and probably a great deal of intra-school bs.
The Baha'i faith is homophobic. Other than that I agree with you. If you want a faith that really doe not oppress, Unitarian Universalist and Religious Science are among them. Some liberal Christian and Jewish groups approach this level of enlightenment, but I think their writings hinder them.
The Quakers are a nominally Christian faith that I find pretty broadly embracing.
Thank you Newsweek for covering finally some mainstream Muslim perspective instead of the typical stereotype of only showing the loudest and the most angry. A majority of Muslims believe a great injustice was done to Ms. Gibbons and I for one apologize to her for her ordeal by the unIslamic Sudanese gov't. who pre-organized the march to make a petty political statement.
I am a Muslim, and I believe in Allah and Prophet Muhammad's teachings. I also do believe in Jesus, as Jesus is one of the Prophets too. Prophet Muhammad was the last prophet, while Jesus was one of those in between Prophet Adam(yes, as in Adam and Eve). We also believe in the bible(old testament), the torah(judaism) and the quran. All 3 religions were once interconnected(if you know your history well enough) and branched out from the same faith. It is only due to differences and disagreements between humans, jealousy and over-zealous faiths that different sectors started fighting.
This human disagreements can be seen now in the different religions itself. For example, the Christians: Roman Catholics, Protestants, etc. The Muslims, they have the Sunnis and Shiites. I dont have comments about Judaism as I think they are a little paranoid.
Whatever it is, as a Muslim, I condemn Jihad. These pple who champion Jihad have a distorted view of the real Islam. Islam condemns violence at any level, unless, provoked and only if provoked with violence. In no way that we are allowed to kill someone of another faith just because he/she e.g Mummywrap, said that Allah/Muhammad is ***.
The real meaning of Jihad(for those of you who are not educated enough to bother to read) is holy war, only to be executed when someone like the Prophet says so. Right now, there's no prophet and noone is perfect, hence, no Jihad is to be executed.
This wrong interpretation could also be a cultural thing. Countries like Saudi Arabia disallows women to show their faces. However, Muslims in other parts of the world are not even asked to cover their heads. I dont, and I am not one to ever denounce my faith.
Islam, if practised correctly and intepreted correctly, will never be in the news. We dont go door to door and ask people to convert. We dont preach, and we dont force using violence. Those people are Muslims by name, but they are practising a totally wrong version of Islam. And because of these people, majority of Muslims, like myself, are targetted. We are subjected to hatred and racism of the worst kind.
I have friends who are Christians, Buddhists, Hindus, Sikhs etc. I dont have Jewish friends cause not many people practise Judaism in Singapore.
I am studying English Literature and have read up on the Christian faith when I studied Chaucer. I have read some parts of the bible. I have no problems with other religions.
Every religion in the world, be it Islam, Christianity or Judaism, every religion asks the followers to lead a peaceful life. In fact, Prophet Muhammand, in his teachings, told us to live in harmony with those of other faiths, and to love out neighbour inspite of their different faiths. I believe the Sudanese pple who asked for the teacher to be killed were just wrongly lead to believe that what she did was wrong.
Again, as I've said earlier, I am Muslim, and I think she did NOTHING wrong. It was an accidental mistake that should have been overlooked. Sh
Having started at the bottom of the comments and slowly working my up, I find your comments and thoughts refreshing, soothing and a wellspring of wisdom. You would be welcomed in my home.
Another example of people who have been corrupted by the absurd. When ever humans choose to indulge themselves with the luxury of religion in an attempt to avoid the obvious, like the inevitability of absolute death, or our undeniable injustices to each other they inevitably make fools of themselves. So, if it be Jihadists wanting to kill little old ladies, or Born Agains seeking Armageddon like its desirable, or Roman Catholic pedophile apologists our reaction should be the same. They should be publicly mocked and reminded that their absurd myths are ruining this world
Demuth said:
Comment: Another example of people who have been corrupted by the absurd. When ever humans choose to indulge themselves with the luxury of religion in an attempt to avoid the obvious, like the inevitability of absolute death, or our undeniable injustices to each other they inevitably make fools of themselves. So, if it be Jihadists wanting to kill little old ladies, or Born Agains seeking Armageddon like its desirable, or Roman Catholic pedophile apologists our reaction should be the same. They should be publicly mocked and reminded that their absurd myths are ruining this world
The fact that we dont take the time to see the diffrences in religion is reason why everything looks the same to some. Islam is unlike Christianity yet the comparison is always given. The Christians in the past did bad things so they then therefore are no better than the Muslims...some whould have us understand.
The fact is Islam has serious issues they they dont want to deal with...and those that are simple minded in my view are unable to see how Islam attempts to control words and actions of those who are not part of their religion. That is the main problem with Islam, this inability to leave those who are not part of the faith out of their control.
If a non-Muslim depicts Muhammad in a drawing ...why does Islam become insulted... this action was done by a non Muslim? What then is the issue, that non-mulim may also eat pork, and drink wine, is that also a problem for the Muslim, so why cant this non-Muslim draw Muhammad...they are not a Muslim. Also with the naming of the toy, it was done my Muslim chrildren (who's parents should be dealing with this issue) but allowed by a non-Muslim teacher...How can we expect the non-Muslim to protect Islam?
We must make a distinction between those who are and those who are not part of the Islamic faith. Islamic rules do not apply to those who are not Islamic and the Muslim MUST be forced to understand this at all cost.
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It seems to me that a God who needs to be protected by mortalsisn;t very powerful
It seems to me that a God who needs to be protected by mortalsisn;t very powerful
It seems to me that a God who needs to be protected by mortalsisn;t very powerful
making fun of someone elses spelling because you have nothing productive to say is even more funny.
Whats funny is Newsweek is to cheap to get Spell Check on this website!
Saying Islam says something or ANYTHING assumes Muslims speak with one voice, and they do not. Neither do Christians or Jews, although many speak with similar tongues there are also many lunatic fringe elements here at home. These people say what they due because they are ignorant and indoctrinated which is a direct byproduct of their religion, just as many American Christians hate Jews for supposedly killing Christ. It is living proof that this planet is either severely over populated, or severely undereducated. Get ready people, because the coming slaughter is going to be better than Wrestlemania, and will appeal only to those of the same ilk. I for one look forward to the zealots slaughtering each other. A red neck is a red neck, be it in Somalia, Afghanistan, Jerusalem or Alabama.
I thought the issue was about naming animals Muhammad, and last I checked teddy bear wasn't a real bear, but a toy. When asked if this was an inappropriate name for a toy, Mr. Bunglawala also responded that it is inappropriate to name animals Muhammad. So which is it? If someone can clear this up for me that'd be great.
I don't think I'd be too offended if someone named their dog Jesus, and to demand death or any punishment for doing so seems insane to me. After all a pet is something you love and charish, and have a special relationship with. Jesus would still love him and his dog and the people who condemmend him for doing so.
How nice to see someone thinking clearly on the subject and not on the politics! Thank you!
I fully agree with you, by the way!
When Da Vinci code was banned by the Vetican, no one said its an absurd reaction from the Christains. When Babri Masjid was destroyed by Hindu Fanatics, no one said its stupid. When Jews hang on to Jerusalam, forcefully throw the Palestinians out and settle there, no one say its rediculous. Why not? Its justa a city eight? Why cant you just give to the Patestinians and move somwehere else ? It was just a Masjid, why cant you make your temple somewhere else? And It was just a Movie, I mean COME ON...
If you know what I mean...
Why only Muslims have to give explainations about their compassion to Islam? We Muslims never disrecpect any other religion or their respected religious personalities because Jesus, Ram, Buddha, David, Joseph, Issac, Moses are all respectable to us. But unfortunately, every other religion disrespect Islam and its personalities becasue they have no respect for them.
Though i support the release of this teacher but i doubt her intentions. She might have done it intentionally. May GOD bless her and all of you with the true path. Amen
Ok, my computer isn't working very well and I don't know if the comment I was working on posted or not...
1. Yes, Christians DID say the Vatican was wrong to ban 'The DaVinci Code."
2. It's highly unlikely that the teacher intended any insult: she had nothing to gain!
3. You seem to be reaching very far and being very defensive. Perhaps you should do some soul-searching yourself, as well as some religious research! You say that "only Muslims have to give explanations about their compassion to Islam.... Muslims never disrespect any other religion.... every other religion disrespect Islam..."
Virtually EVERY religion of today has had to defend it's positions and beliefs at one time or another, though if you do your research, you will find that most of them have the same point of origin!!!! ISLAM emerged from Christianity: Mohammed is mentioned in the Catholic bible!
As for "the true path," it may or may not lie within the confines of any of today's religions! We shall each know when our own judgement comes - and my judgement comes NOT from you or any other human, but from the one who created and judges! I don't care if you call him God, Allah, Jehovah, I Am, or whatever!!!!!
Equating followers of the Vaican, or Vetican to all Christians is not the brightest comment to make. Saying Muslims never disrespect other religions or their figures is not too convincing either. Equating compassion to Islam and shouting for someone to be executed over a matter as silly as this, is just comedic.
Spelling the word Vatican, Vaican, when you are making fun of someone's spelling is ironic, sad, and funny.
You are dead wrong. Go to www.petfinder.com and see how many loving pet owners name their pets Chris. I would expect a hispanic to name their pet Jesus, and a Muslim to name their pet Mohammad. We don't name our pets Jesus because we don't name our children Jesus either. I would not be insulted to hear that someone named their pet Jesus. I would take it as being an indication of love for Jesus.
You are not telling the truth about the English. Go to www.petfinder.com and see how many pets you can find named "Chris." We don't name our children Jesus either. Hispanics name their children Jesus and I would expect them to name their pets Jesus also. I would also expect a Muslim to name their pet Muhammad, but that is just me. You are dead wrong! We would, and do, name our pets after Jesus and it is a sign of love.
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The children chose the name. How come they weren???t given 40 lashes?
How about their parents, they all saw the kids come home with the teddy bear and didn???t say anything. Why didn???t they get 40 lashes? How about the other Muslim teachers?
None of the people that really let the problem happen were punished because they are Muslim.
Muslims love to blame everyone except themselves.
This teacher depended on trained Muslims like the children and the parents to advise her in things she was not trained in. Did this teacher read the Koran front to back? Did she spend her life being taught by Muslims?
No, the people around her let her down because after all, she is not a Muslim and she is just a woman.
Also, I am no big fan of Israel; but didn???t the Palestinians steal the land from the Jews and help enslave them. People are so tired of listening to Palestinians whining about getting back what their stolen land. They need to look around, find out where they really came from and go get the land that was originally theirs 3,000 years ago.
As for calling a stuffed bear a name that little children voted for?... There is no real crime in that. Its just what fanatical freaks come up with when they want publicity. A smart person would know they just made a big deal out of this incident to get money or aid of some sort from the Brits. And as usual they caved and gave these thugs want they wanted. Another victory for the bad guys.
I am a Muslim convert. People in Islam are not good representatives of this beautiful religion. One good friend told me once, if you want to learn about Islam and grow your faith. Don't look at the people, look at what the Prophet (peace be upon him) did. Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) would NEVER act in this way. He would have acted in a way that Jesus would have acted, I am sure. People from all walks of life have NO respect for human life any more. Where is the decency and compassion for human life anymore? These people are acting so stupidly to kill someone over a freakin' teddy bear. I mean, COME ON!!!
Nectar the convert said:
Comment: I am a Muslim convert. People in Islam are not good representatives of this beautiful religion. One good friend told me once, if you want to learn about Islam and grow your faith. Don't look at the people, look at what the Prophet (peace be upon him) did. Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) would NEVER act in this way. He would have acted in a way that Jesus would have acted, I am sure. People from all walks of life have NO respect for human life any more. Where is the decency and compassion for human life anymore? These people are acting so stupidly to kill someone over a freakin' teddy bear. I mean, COME ON!!!
Islam ...this beautiful religion....
I cant think of much that is beautiful in Islam but I would like you to list those items you term beautiful in Islam so that I can see what you are talking about...
Islam could have said to this lady: We understand it was not your doing but that of the kids you oversee, please allow us to remand the bear with the kids help...but what did your beautiful Islam do for the world to see?
I wish Islam would stop pretending for we can all see for clearly what its all about.
Nectar - how PROUD you must be of your co-religionists!
Loser.
Wow, blinky....did you even read the above comment? Way to display your own ignorance.
Wow, Blinky...did you even read the above comment? Way to show your own ignorance.
"They had been told by clerics at a mosque they had been praying at that a Westerner has come to Khartoum and insulted the prophet."
Apparently the population had been fed false information and were reacting to rumors of insults to their prophet. Now I understand why they were so angry ...
Being myself a Christian living in America, I do not find the need to defend God. I figure if He is big enough to create the universe, He is big enough to handle a few insults now and then.
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