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  • Posted By: Ioulaum @ 12/06/2007 4:24:56 AM

    Ah... pride. Some people really take it too far. I have the impression that Mohammad being a basically decent guy might actually have appreciated a child naming something she loved in his name.

  • Posted By: t9900 @ 12/04/2007 8:41:02 PM

    At least she made it out alive. I'm waiting on the 'peaceful majority' Islamic leaders to condemn this. I'm still waiting for them to condemn the extremists and honor killings too.

    • Posted By: Abu Reel @ 12/06/2007 2:49:34 AM

      Yes We must respect our religion, both islam and christianity calling for pecace and mercy

  • Posted By: Second_Opinion @ 12/05/2007 5:05:14 PM

    Mr. Bunglawala says, "It's not difficult to whip people up into a frenzy if you feed them false information." He neglects to mention that such frenzy building is made profoundly easier when you're dealing with ignorance. Islam IS intolerant and the Western world has seen instances of this intolerance time and time again. And, yet, the Western world is expected to be respectful of its practitioners who, themselves, are disrespectul of everyone else. Islam keeps it practitioners in the 17th century and they want the rest of the world to join them. Guess what? it's not happening.

    And let's not even start with the "clerics". Who are these "clerics"? Religious scholars? What have they studied? The Koran and nothing but. Does that make you a scholar? I don't think so. A true scholar takes a broad view of the world and considers the opposing point of view. A true scholar employs logic in his reasoning. Clearly, nothing could be more absent in the Muslim world. Muslim "clerics" are nothing more than gang leaders, the Bloods and Crips of the Middle East. We need to treat them as such.

    And when Mr. Bunglawala suggested naming my dog Jesus, I thought it was the funniest thing I had ever heard! And I'm Catholic! I think if Jesus really existed and he were here, he would find it hilariious also.

    Islam deserves no special place in the world. It has no more significance than any other form of organized religion. It deserves no more consideration than any other religion. There is nothing special about it as contrasted to other religions. The Western world should not - and MUST not - treat Muslims with kid gloves. This is the 21st century and, like it or not, Muslims have to come to terms with the fact the Dark Ages have passed.

    Islam and the behavior of its practitioners gives new meaning to, and spotlights the truth of, Karl Marx's observation about religion: "It is the opium of the people."

    • Posted By: Snorkeldorf @ 12/05/2007 9:08:19 PM

      Islam is not intolerant. The religious fanatics - Christian, Islamic, Jewish, what have you - that incite their flocks with half-truths and lies to further their own agenda are the intolerant ones. These people, while claiming to represent God, instead represent the exact opposite. We need to declare war on these people whatever religion they claim to represent.

  • Posted By: cpatton2010 @ 12/05/2007 8:45:00 PM

    I think the dominant worldview of most extremists is: "God is watching you, look busy."

  • Posted By: cpatton2010 @ 12/05/2007 8:44:07 PM

    I think the dominant worldview of many religious extremists is: " God is watching, look busy!"

  • Posted By: cpatton2010 @ 12/05/2007 8:43:39 PM

    I think the dominant worldview of many religious extremists is: " God is watching, look busy!"

  • Posted By: Clearyohed @ 12/05/2007 6:38:26 PM

    Vengence is strictly a man made trait that is at exact opposite end of the spectrum of God (Allah, or whatever name is appropriate to your religion--its all the same God). God does not get offended because he is perfect peace, you cannot be at perfect peace and offended at the same time. The goal of all major religions is to try to reflect the qualities of God in our physical lives. Islam can be a very Godly religion but so many of these fanatics are as Ungodly as it gets, and the proof is in their reactions -- very unGodly. I feel that the religion of Islam has let its people down by not upholding the qualities that help people become closer to God, instead too many have let their hatred lead their lives and they pretend to do it in the name of God. But let this be God's lesson: throughout the savage era of the crusades (Christian extremism), and throughout the current movement of misguided Islamic extremists, God still has complete faith in all of us--not judging us, not destroying us, because he has perfect peace, infinite patience and infinite tolerance. He only asks that we practice these things -- always, and in all ways. The Churches and Mosques all around the world need to do a better job of promoting these qualities of God in their people. Islam seems to be in a similar state now to what Christianity was in during the era of the crusades (just meaning there's too much extremism around), but Islam has a chance to learn from and not repeat Christianity's mistakes.

  • Posted By: dmu2cc @ 12/05/2007 11:31:44 AM

    Who cares what these whakos think

    • Posted By: newmanski77 @ 12/05/2007 6:25:13 PM

      Interesting perspective, there, dmu2cc...I suppose some of us might be a little concerned about what the "whackos," as you so blithley call them, are thinking, as it so happens that just some such "whackos" had the wherewithall to successfully murder 5000 human beings in the largest attack on US soil in US history! I don't know...call me crazy....

  • Posted By: che1040 @ 12/05/2007 3:41:58 PM

    Muhammad was a child molestor , if I name my pet Muhammad he may get ofended .

    • Posted By: newmanski77 @ 12/05/2007 5:29:28 PM

      Wow! Thanks for your contribution, there, che1040!! I think there're some nice folks in Sudan who would love to continue the discussion with you...oh, wait...an obvious ignoramus such as yourself would probably prefer to spew insults from the (relative) comfort and safety of your home....Never mind! I'm sure we all look forward to more of your contributions to the debate!

      • Posted By: newmanski77 @ 12/05/2007 5:52:30 PM

        okay...sorry about that...I just realized that I did the very thing I criticized you for doing, spewing an insult from the comfort and safety of my, well, not my home but from my hotel room....I stand self-corrected!

  • Posted By: ah7903 @ 12/05/2007 5:01:05 PM

    Just as an afterthought... a reminder for all... faith and fanaticism are often confused with one another. We should be careful and wary of the fine line.

  • Posted By: briar rose @ 12/05/2007 3:33:16 PM

    Every religion in the world, be it Islam, Christianity or Judaism, every religion asks the followers to lead a peaceful life. In fact, Prophet Muhammand, in his teachings, told us to live in harmony with those of other faiths, and to love out neighbour inspite of their different faiths. I believe the Sudanese pple who asked for the teacher to be killed were just wrongly lead to believe that what she did was wrong.

    Again, as I've said earlier, I am Muslim, and I think she did NOTHING wrong. It was an accidental mistake that should have been overlooked. She was just in the wrong side of an Islamic world.

    I think there are alot of people who are extreme. Like the Ku Klux Klan etc. I think its psychological, and these extremists are just psychologically imbalanced.

    • Posted By: newmanski77 @ 12/05/2007 4:16:12 PM

      I would like to suggest that the term "holy war" be struck from the lexicon of every civilized faith. The term is oxymoronic, i.e., self-contradicting...Please correct me if I'm wrong, briar, but was Muhammed himself not a warrior and a leader of conquering armies? I feel that moderate Muslims have a very complex task before you in characterizing your faith as a "religion of peace," irrespective of the clearly peaceful character of so many practicioners. I look forward to reading more of your responses.

  • Posted By: ah7903 @ 12/05/2007 4:11:33 PM

    You should be ashamed of yourselves. This is exaclty the stupid reasons why people go off to war and kill each other over nothing. It's a mystery to that people have been killing each other over who's God is better than who's for thousands of years and yet there is no proof that there are even more than one God to compare. It still doesn't occur to people that because there is more than one book, that doesn't mean that there is more than one God. Is it not possible that we come from the same God regardless of what we call Him. Can there not be more than one interpretation as there are no two of us the same? I do consider myself a christian and I say that Mummywrap is ignorant. Anyone who has studied Islam, and I have, know that Islam is a peaceful religion. It is unfortunate that so many terrorists have used it has their battlecry and tarnished it's history with so much bloodshed. But does anyone remember the Crusades, is Christianity any more innocent just because what is happening with Islam now happened so long ago for Christians? Yet again, it doesn't matter what you call him,... God, Allah, Dios, etc... God is God and no one should have to die or be killed over who's God is better. Pursecution is human, not Holy. All of the books, the Koran, Bible, Tora, etc... All say that we should care for one another and that the world need be filled with love and kindness. We are all children of the same father. The books also say that it's ok to be different. Peace is tolerance. Forgiveness is divine.

  • Posted By: mauriceflavius @ 12/04/2007 6:03:43 PM

    Over the ages, all religions seem to have their dark moments in history. Nevertheless, since its inception, which by the way, is a very, very young and new religion, Islam has only bred and spread the most abhorrent violence. In a modern, civilized world, Islam has no place. If you disregard what all the religions preach and just look at the fruits of the religion, all Islam can show you is slavery of women, violence against women, death and torture to all who do not bow down to this faith. If you don't believe in the devil, just visit one of these Muslim countries like Sudan and see what brutal butchery Islam has brought to its women and children. Islam IS hell on Earth for both, its believers and for those it preys upon.

    • Posted By: newmanski77 @ 12/05/2007 4:08:16 PM

      you may want to do a bit of reading, there, maurice...according to the historical record, Jews, Christians, and Muslims lived a highly productive and peaceful coexistence for nearly 700 years in what is now Spain. The Muslim world was at that time the most advanced and successful culture on earth. It was the so-called "Christian" Spanish monarchy of Isabel and Ferdinan who visited the horror of Inquisition upon the non-Christian inhabitants of that country following their expulsion of the Muslim occupiers which ended in 1492. While "Christian" Europe was mucking their way through the dark ages, the Muslim world carried the light of progress. Thanks to Arabic scholars of those times, many classics of the Greek and Roman worlds were preserved for your benefit and mine. Hatred and intolerance should rightly be abhorred by thinking people (not to mention people of faith)...but I suggest you're too quick to judgement upon a faith practiced by millions of human beings.

  • Posted By: arbenz @ 12/05/2007 4:07:28 PM

    Also, che1040, it's spelled prophet, not profet. If you're going to insult one of the world's major religious figures, a least try to use spell check first so that you only come across as ignorant about world history, culture, and religion, and not about the basic rules of English as well. Its good there are people like ah7903 out there in all religions to balance things out with the hatemongers...

  • Posted By: mummywrap @ 12/04/2007 10:24:41 PM

    In Webster's dictionary Mohammad should be a synonim for $HIT, THAT WAY NO ONE WOULD HAVE A PRIBLEM IDENTIFYING HIS ORIGIN. Allah on the other hand has $hit for brains for allowing his followers to make massive asses of themselves.

    • Posted By: briar rose @ 12/05/2007 2:59:38 PM

      What are you? An atheist? Anyway, Jesus in the dictionary should be a synonim for $hit. furthermore, you christians are so clouded, I'm suprised Lord Jesus Christ allows such low morals, and high divorce rates. and eating animals that eats dung.

      • Posted By: ah7903 @ 12/05/2007 3:57:15 PM

        Both of you should be ashamed of yourselves. This is exaclty the reason why people go off to war and kill each other over nothing. I consider myself a christian and I say that Mummywrap is ignorant. Anyone who has studied Islam, and I have, know that Islam is a peaceful religion. It is unfortunate that so many terrorists have used it has their battlecry and tarnished it's history with so much bloodshed. It doesn't matter what you call him,... God, Allah, Dios, etc... God is God and know one should have to die or be killed over who's God is better. All of the books, the Koran, Bible, Tora, etc... All say that we should care for one another and that the world need be filled with love and kindness. We are all children of the same father. So what are we truly fighting over?

  • Posted By: ReflectingPool @ 12/05/2007 3:48:08 PM

    Sheesh! After reading this discussion, one consistent theme emerges: One overreation just leads to another. (Why am I not the least bit surprised?)

  • Posted By: briar rose @ 12/05/2007 3:33:03 PM

    I am a Muslim, and I believe in Allah and Prophet Muhammad's teachings. I also do believe in Jesus, as Jesus is one of the Prophets too. Prophet Muhammad was the last prophet, while Jesus was one of those in between Prophet Adam(yes, as in Adam and Eve). We also believe in the bible(old testament), the torah(judaism) and the quran. All 3 religions were once interconnected(if you know your history well enough) and branched out from the same faith. It is only due to differences and disagreements between humans, jealousy and over-zealous faiths that different sectors started fighting.

    This human disagreements can be seen now in the different religions itself. For example, the Christians: Roman Catholics, Protestants, etc. The Muslims, they have the Sunnis and Shiites. I dont have comments about Judaism as I think they are a little paranoid.

    Whatever it is, as a Muslim, I condemn Jihad. These pple who champion Jihad have a distorted view of the real Islam. Islam condemns violence at any level, unless, provoked and only if provoked with violence. In no way that we are allowed to kill someone of another faith just because he/she e.g Mummywrap, said that Allah/Muhammad is ***.

    The real meaning of Jihad(for those of you who are not educated enough to bother to read) is holy war, only to be executed when someone like the Prophet says so. Right now, there's no prophet and noone is perfect, hence, no Jihad is to be executed.

    This wrong interpretation could also be a cultural thing. Countries like Saudi Arabia disallows women to show their faces. However, Muslims in other parts of the world are not even asked to cover their heads. I dont, and I am not one to ever denounce my faith.

    Islam, if practised correctly and intepreted correctly, will never be in the news. We dont go door to door and ask people to convert. We dont preach, and we dont force using violence. Those people are Muslims by name, but they are practising a totally wrong version of Islam. And because of these people, majority of Muslims, like myself, are targetted. We are subjected to hatred and racism of the worst kind.

    I have friends who are Christians, Buddhists, Hindus, Sikhs etc. I dont have Jewish friends cause not many people practise Judaism in Singapore.

    I am studying English Literature and have read up on the Christian faith when I studied Chaucer. I have read some parts of the bible. I have no problems with other religions.

  • Posted By: newmanski77 @ 12/05/2007 2:18:48 PM

    I've found this whole story very disturbing from the beginning. Obviously, the views of a handful of fanatics must not be construed to represent the perspective of Muslims worldwide, but I am a bit ashamed to admit that when I began following this story last week, I experienced some pretty powerful stirrings of religious hatred in my own heart. For a minute, there, I would have been glad to see Sudan bombed off the map for harboring such foolishness. How sad would that have been? That anyone could react so irrationally to such a small misunderstanding is still beyond me. Anyone who derives hatred from any religious belief is, simply, misguided. It's a sad thing, and these people, ironically, I think should be pitied. The saddest thing to me is that there are so many fanatics of all faiths who are so eager to make a self-fulfilling prophesy of armageddon, that they will incite bloodlust in their cohorts over so little. I'm also continually disappointed in so-called "Christian" Americans who simply respond in kind...Get a grip! Dosen't your bumpersticker say, "Jesus is Love," or something to that effect? I will say this, however; there couldn't be a more perfect posterchild for the wisdom of separation of church and state that a place like the Sudan...Muslim or otherwise.

  • Posted By: Flanders @ 12/05/2007 2:05:11 PM

    I appreciate Brahimi Brahim's comments below. We still speak English in this country right?

    In seriousness, I would have to agree with scifiblues, although would add the media's portrayal of faith groups and its tendency to entertain before educate does not help us in understanding.

    I also have to comment that I don't see any direct proof of the inevitability of absolute death, but that isn't too important.

  • Posted By: Designergurl333 @ 12/05/2007 1:33:49 PM

    They should see all this through a childs eye! Now what are our childern going to think about this? What is a teacher to say to our childern about something like this? Don't children have choices to? It was only a teddy bear for crying out loud. What is this world coming to?

    • Posted By: William.Demuth @ 12/05/2007 1:59:18 PM

      From the look of things, what we are coming to is the end.

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