Forget War With Iran

That's the main implication of the startling new intelligence estimate that Tehran isn't working on a bomb. But the long-term impact is just as significant. A look at the winners and losers.

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  • Posted By: howdy @ 12/16/2007 2:12:53 AM

    Iran wants what Canada and Japan have. A full working civilian nuke plant/cycle that can be turned into weapons with 6 months preparation. With the US republicans pushing for an attack, Iran wants the only thing that can stop em, the ability to create a nuke quickly. The Republicans are in a bind. The party has only 2 things going for it, tax cuts and killing people (strong on defense). The current trends show the next Republican candidate to do about as well as Mondale. 50% Democrat 35% Republican. The only way to 'fix' the election is to have a war. Isreal must attack. They have total loyalty from the US with Bush in the white house. Isreal can't take the chance of being left out in the cold for 8 years with the Dems in power. 8 years would be plenty of time for Iran to get an arsenal of nukes. Republicans and Isreal are in agreement, the killing must commence. All the NIE did was to concentrate the minds of those in power and create a sense of urgency. War more certain than ever.

  • Posted By: rdenning12 @ 12/05/2007 10:22:26 PM

    The president may be doing what he thinks needs to be done to ensure our safety, but he is not ensuring our safety. I don't know what his motives are. He has made some bizarre claims of divine guidance in the past. Whatever his motives, he has done grave damage to our armed forces, he has allowed terrorists to remain at large and.he has soiled our national honor. He should be removed before he does any more damage.

    • Posted By: observer101 @ 12/15/2007 9:44:37 PM

      Yes let put a Clinton back in office...We know they are looking out for us middle class Americans ;) wink wink

  • Posted By: freedom1st @ 12/07/2007 8:09:24 AM

    Ok, let's take a look at this mess, openly and honestly. How is it that in 2003, 2005, and just this past July ( congressional hearing ) that Finger and others went on record as saying Iran was indeed a high threat to develop a nuclear arsenal. So, how is it that during those reports etc.. in 2003, 2005 and this year they missed this information, whatever or wherever they obtain it from? Sorry, this doesn't give me a warm fuzzy feeling that all is good and we can trust them, Iran. Of all the pointless investigations that were caried out to try and corner and discredit this President, this is the one that has treason, mutiny written all over it. We as a nation can not afford to get this wrong!!! The Russians, not to be trusted, ever, a noble peace prize winning head of the Internation Atomic Energy commission?? Hello, we as a free society are being set up, and need to wake up!!!

    • Posted By: hmmm5 @ 12/08/2007 6:15:01 AM

      "we are being set up"? Stop living in fear all the time. Iran has all the right in the world to have a peaceful nuclear program. Your country have so many nukes and actually used the bomb on two cities. U really think Iran even if they had a bomb, would use it on Israel or USA? They are not stupid nor crazy. Such an action would only give an exuse to Israel and USA to make Iran a smoky hellhole. To stabalize the rigion, they need it. Just like Pakistan and India use to threaten each other with nukes but never really had the guts to use it. Israel is the only country in the middle east with nukes, u need to have a balance. Either take nukes away from Israel or let Iran have one.

      • Posted By: observer101 @ 12/08/2007 10:14:14 PM

        you are right hmmmm5. The peace loving Iranian fanatics only want peaceful nuclear energy. Golly..they only have billions worth in oil. They have no use for oil. Geewhiz...I remember the peace loving fanatical Iranians, kidknapping , torturing, and holding hostages (U.S.) for over a year. They must have been giving a hardy helping of peace to the hostages that whole time. ;) They want nukes as a reason to hold other mid east nations hostage. The only difference with India, Pakistan, having nukes is that they know they consequences of using them. The Iranian fanatics just want to USE it to make there points regardless of who it kills. Mark my words Iran will get nukes and they will get way out of control.

        • Posted By: hmmm5 @ 12/09/2007 6:19:50 AM

          Observer101 - you are a typical coward neo con I would readily spit on if I ever come across one. They held those people hostage because of America's meddling in their country. If I keep intervening in your bussiness, wou;dn't you get pissed. I am not saying what they did was right but do I know why they did it.? You BET! Your goverment installed the Shah, a dictator and when people get anfry, that's what they do. Shame on you, you cowardly little brat.

          • Posted By: observer101 @ 12/15/2007 9:32:06 PM

            Ofcourse you would spit on me...and put me on al jezeera and have a little child chop my head off while you and another brave "man" with a hood and ak-47 stand on either side of me and recite pshyco babble in the backround to all the other thugs about how they should blow up churches and rape then kill nuns in the name of allah. Badd Badd American I am. You and all the other clowns you want to represent will fall. So just keep following your fanatical clerics straight to the grave.

  • Posted By: littlefoot @ 12/13/2007 5:12:18 AM

    I believe you are right about bush, But i am more upset at the way they run the U.S.border i am a canadain native and can trace my family back more then two hundred yearsin canada i have know police record and sereived in the army, i have been to the usa on several visits. Now i go to the border they want my prints, they say i am a foreigner. my family ansisters came from the usa to canada many years ago, so i think the usa should check the people from other countries instead of their closes allies thankyou

  • Posted By: votenic @ 12/12/2007 6:05:09 PM

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  • Posted By: nong @ 12/09/2007 9:42:59 PM

    the president Bush and Iran.Name it is fearful war really. It is most of the disaster. It causes the waste builds the world.Every country, such as The United States of America ,Iran,Israel,or,the other,must help each other repair seek.Must seek the way better the war.Nobody wantsto seethe world war timethat3 certainly.I do not likethe war too.And i want to give the worldwide Joins hands,in war fightseriously.For everybody has will the happiness.And I want to give Iran can take care of oneself.And have no nuclear in Iran happen.Iran has good administration,and self-confident,and be free.

  • Posted By: nong @ 12/09/2007 9:37:55 PM

    the president Bush and Iran.Name it is fearful war really. It is most of the disaster. It causes the waste builds the world.Every country, such as The United States of America ,Iran,Israel,or,the other,must help each other repair seek.Must seek the way better the war.Nobody wantsto seethe world war timethat3 certainly.I do not likethe war too.And i want to give the worldwide Joins hands,in war fightseriously.For everybody has will the happiness.And I want to give Iran can take care of oneself.And have no nuclear in Iran happen.Iran has good administration,and self-confident,and be free.

  • Posted By: nong @ 12/09/2007 9:32:53 PM

    the president Bush and Iran.Name it is fearful war really. It is most of the disaster. It causes the waste builds the world.Every country, such as The United States of America ,Iran,Israel,or,the other,must help each other repair seek.Must seek the way better the war.Nobody wantsto seethe world war timethat3 certainly.I do not likethe war too.And i want to give the worldwide Joins hands,in war fightseriously.For everybody has will the happiness.And I want to give Iran can take care of oneself.And have no nuclear in Iran happen.Iran has good administration,and self-confident,and be free.

  • Posted By: nong @ 12/09/2007 9:31:24 PM

    the president Bush and Iran.Name it is fearful war really. It is most of the disaster. It causes the waste builds the world.Every country, such as The United States of America ,Iran,Israel,or,the other,must help each other repair seek.Must seek the way better the war.Nobody wantsto seethe world war timethat3 certainly.I do not likethe war too.And i want to give the worldwide Joins hands,in war fightseriously.For everybody has will the happiness.And I want to give Iran can take care of oneself.And have no nuclear in Iran happen.Iran has good administration,and self-confident,and be free.

  • Posted By: kbledude1 @ 12/05/2007 9:33:24 PM

    its not the usa that wants to go to war! its isreal, wake up people ,isreal was beating the drum to go to war in iraq and we did!, now its iran the are beating the war drums to, hope to god we don't make the same mistake twice,let isreal deal with its own problems and security, we should not lose anther drop of blood for any country unless .........its to defend the U S A.....

    • Posted By: observer101 @ 12/08/2007 10:43:49 PM

      You are right to a point...As we have seen in the past. Its only a matter of time b4 any nation has full capabilities to cause serious damage to another nation. Pre emptive strikes are away to slow down there progress. If we are the most powerful nation in the world then we should be able to decide who is out of control and who isnt. Obviously Iran is getting way out of control. If they obtain a nuke for diabolicle purposes and threaten the mideast with there crazy crap then we should stop then in there tracks before it spreads to us and it will at some point if we stand idly by and just watch and do nothing.

  • Posted By: iluvsnoridin @ 12/06/2007 3:09:17 AM

    My oh my how we have been lied to from the start of this joke of a man! If this comes as a shock to you fellow readers then I say it is time to wake up. If Mr. Bush wants to go to war he will do it, he will do whatever he wants to as long as he is in the high chair, and there is nothing anybody can do about it. Take a look back to the start of the war he started for no reason thats killed 2 of my friends...... He had no real intel, just ideas pushed on him from others. The whole reason any of this is taking place is to have control of the region. Who are we to control anything when we cant even control our own nation? Iran has every right, just as we do, to posses whatever it they want to. Lets us not forget we destroyed a country and killed countless innocents because we had "intel" that was later found false.......

    • Posted By: observer101 @ 12/08/2007 10:34:42 PM

      I recall that intell was correct....UN took its sweet assed time to stall as usual...which anyone with half a mind can tell is just the time one would need to transport equiptment and sensitive materials out of Iraq. Bury planes, and cover up what needed to be covered b4 the impending invasion. Saddam wasnt a stupid a man as everyone assumes.

  • Posted By: muckraker @ 12/08/2007 10:06:10 PM

    schizoid paranoid describes observer101. Wack job too! I bet he lays awake every night holding his co*k in one hand and a semi automatic in the other trembling that Bush's bogeymen will blow down his door.

    • Posted By: observer101 @ 12/08/2007 10:19:51 PM

      moderately retarded describes you...I assume you were molested by the "friendly" man that gave you candy because you were so trusting and naive. Just like now...please join some peace corp and take your Caring ass over to the peace loving militants...Im sure they will have candy for you too.

  • Posted By: rrats0966 @ 12/06/2007 12:33:54 AM

    Does this ring a bell? Remember now The reason we have spent almaost 750 BILLION Dollars so far is becuase Iraq had WMD's . Kust like Iran - Does this president offer anything up to the american people other than WAR, WAR, WAR? We can't fund our schools, roads, health care, and a tom of other domestic projects but we have no problem borrowing and spending TRILLIONS of dollars over the last 7 years. This adminstration has been a joke from day one. Thankfully I can at least say I didn't vote for these a$$ holes either time. So tell me america? Do you feel safer now than you did before 9-11?

    • Posted By: observer101 @ 12/08/2007 10:02:15 PM

      Well before 9-11 clinton admin. didnt think we stupid ordinary citizens could comprehend the vastness of the knowledge we have now. and did squat when Osama bin Laden was in snipers sites. I recall he was busy monitoring his new intern radar. Clinton's admin allowed this threat to continue after he lost the election to Bush. Deniability and blatant lying is his m.o. If ppl would just look into the info they would see Billy boy had more knowledge then they would like us to believe.

  • Posted By: brigrat5831 @ 12/06/2007 5:36:34 AM

    I've read about 20 of the comments about this article and I only have on thing to say to "some" of you people. What the hell are you thinking? Bush must nuke Iran, 9/11 was staged, etc. Most of the comments make good points, but sadly most of the comments are made from people who only get their news from one source. Now if you haven't realized, the news prints what they want to print, things that will catch people's attention. That's what sells, sadly. Now this is my opinion, NO *** AMERICAN would stand by and let 2,974 innocent people die, injuring 6,291 people in the process. One thing I find that people seem to forget is what would you want the government to do if the military "found" wmds in Iraq. You would want the military to nuke Iraq, wipe them of the map as some people put it. The military DID find wmds in Iraq, and rather than have a blood thursty country, the report said we didn't. Sadam does have a link to the War on Terror because he has been know to fund the terrorist organization of Hamas. Hamas was created in 1987 by Sheikh Ahmed Yassin of the Gaza wing of the Muslim Brotherhood at the beginning of the First Intifada. Best known in Israel and the West for its suicide bombings and other attack] directed against civilians and Israeli military and security forces targets, Hamas' charter (written in 1988 and still in effect) calls for the destruction of the State of Israel and its replacement with a Palestinian Islamic state in the area that is now Israel, the West Bank, and the Gaza Strip. People have also said that the rebuilding process is not needed and that we should pull out. Now it kind of bothers me that we helped rebuild France after WW2 and no one said lets pull out. this is to iluvsnoridin, I am sorry for your loss, I'm in the military and I have lost friends in this war and I almost lost my father on 9/11, one reason I'm in the military. What most people don't know is that the people that matter, appreciate what we have done. The military has removed a man from power that has had people killed on the spot "in public" for talking about him in the manner that you talk about Bush. While in the middle east, I saw a man finally be able to take care of his family because we gave him the chance he needed. It annoys me that all of these people are making such decisions with out getting the whole story or what the media wants to sell you. It just doesn't seem right. I do have one question though, why was CLinton mentioned in the preview?

    • Posted By: hmmm5 @ 12/08/2007 6:38:01 AM

      So did America funded Osama. So I think the world needs to invade America to get the prresident out and wait in the process kill over 500,000 Americans and displace 4 million of them. Saddam was bad but conditions under him were still better than the condition now. U have no right to police the world. Mind your own bussiness.

      • Posted By: observer101 @ 12/08/2007 9:49:59 PM

        we would mind our own business, If you clowns would get up to date with the times and stop massacreing your own ppl and showing it to the world. Do us a favor and ask YOUR savior Osama Bin Laden and his cronies to martyr themselves. That would likely save us time and bring our military folks home. Then you can get back to camel jockeying. and going to war with yourselves for another 1000 years.

  • Posted By: Chaotician @ 12/06/2007 10:04:23 AM

    I believe it is ludicrous to suggest that The George would ever do something as sensible as provide truthful information to the American people willingly! This is a lying scumbag who only uses information for personal gain or vindictive slander of ???enemies???. The credibility of this ???evil???, lying regime is nonexistent, so it is a simple lie that The George would release truth to avoid the impression that his gang of thieves was hiding the truth; we assume that as the baseline for all of Orwellian Doublespeak dribbling into the Fox un-news networks!

    No, we can hope that this is finally the start of a rebellion to oust this junta of corrupt narrow-minded Corporate Facistmos who have deliberately and treasonously shredded the Constitution and the rule of law, wrecked the treasury and our economy, destroyed our ???troops??? and created private militias(mercenary contractors) under the direct employ and control of the junta, created a separate judiciary and detention gulags for the juntas scapegoats and political prisoners, allowed the junta to have absolute and unfettered right to declare any person in or out of the US as a ???enemy combatant??? which stripes that person of all rights including telling his lawyer, his wife, or any other person that he has even been charged, and turned the government into an ATM to dispense the treasury to its fat-cat ???base??? of mega-millionaires!

    • Posted By: t9900 @ 12/06/2007 3:10:45 PM

      Uhh. When will it end?

      • Posted By: observer101 @ 12/08/2007 9:40:08 PM

        keep watching the truth seeking CNN. Maybe you will look just as foolish as they do.

  • Posted By: learybe @ 12/06/2007 3:41:54 PM

    To all of you Bush lied to us crowd, why do we never hear the mention of of Bill Clinton's administration and their faulty intelligence. That's where all of this intel came from. There is no conspiracy, there is just the Clinton's and they will ruin this world and this country.together. Come on people this has probably been the toughest two terms for any one president. and if I remember correctly at ground zero after 9/11 he stood on that pile of rubble and said you are either with us or against us and everybody cheered. That is the same president we are talking about. correct. It is pretty sad that all Democrats saw this president as becoming to popular and turned it into a political battlefield to destroy him over party lines. God bless our President.

    • Posted By: hmmm5 @ 12/08/2007 6:32:24 AM

      Billy is gone. U r another example of brainwashed fox news watching loyal bushie. I hope the president gets impeached. GOD Bless America.

      • Posted By: observer101 @ 12/08/2007 9:37:39 PM

        I figure hmmmm5 visits porn shops and practices adultry in your spare time. Clinton is blatantly a liar.." i did not have sexual relations with that woman" I suspect that you are a Clinton supporter and you are still sour that he was impeached...and Bush wasnt. What exactly did Bush blatantly lie about that deserves impeachment?

  • Posted By: observer101 @ 12/08/2007 9:26:51 PM

    There are no solutions when dealing with fanatical elements. They have one thing one there mind...To be great in the eyes of there people. And what better way than to take on a super power, either covertly or openly. They dont care whether we are understanding, loving, or compationate for there cause. If any fanatical elements had any one of you poor foolish dreamers in there gun sights they would kill you in a heart beat. And parade your body around there dirt hutted towns and smack you with there sandals in a sign of disrespect and to offend us all. I dont know what care bear cartoons you were watching when they put this stuff on various news channels, but you need to wake up.

  • Posted By: wonderfulend @ 12/07/2007 4:50:22 AM

    to iluvsnoridin: that's why everybody should start to think about alternative power already available from a long time and not at the oil or gas we get from them for our cars. Do u care about your children? Forget about fossil power. Be part of this earth still rescueable. Maybe.

  • Posted By: cnctech @ 12/06/2007 3:06:14 AM

    BUSH must nuke Iran, then ask china if they want some too, we have to stop all this pussyfooting and take action. You idiot's (liberals) that think Iran has no plans to level this great nation THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, are our nation's greatest threat.

    • Posted By: fabby41forlife @ 12/06/2007 4:13:53 AM

      You are such a fool, do u think other countries with nukes would't respond if they see nukes flying in space heading for some target that they think could be them. America has more too lose than the Iranians. America likes to talk about there way of life. The 911 attack alone almost crippled the united states. Wall Street stock priced plummeted and great deal of people loss their jobs. So fool stop talking about bush should nuke Iran and ask China if it want some. Because china is three time the size of America or more if i should say. And remember China has nuke as well, and will return the favour if the United States ever make that grimm mistake. It's people like you why Adolf Hitler could have carried out his maliscious intent and hatred, all because you are all blind to what is really happening. The United States is the only country in the world to use a nuclear device on another country. That is why America fear the threat of nuclear attack. But if you know this old proverb that says, what goes around comes around. So pick sense out of that idiot, and stop talking trash. It's so good to know that folks like you who sit in the penny section and not in the drivers seat. for lord knows where we would be today.

      • Posted By: cnctech @ 12/07/2007 3:47:14 AM

        Fabby you sir are a idiot and people like you need to get the hell out of America, you sir are the black seeded wart on America's azz . F U AN D

    • Posted By: heathenliberal @ 12/06/2007 3:42:39 PM

      You can call me all the names you want, but I know where commas belong. I would bet if I took a poll that more people would be inclined to trust someone who can make a cogent argument defending thier point than someone who resorts to name calling and violence. Isn't that what 10 year olds do on the schoolyard?
      p.s. Jesus was a liberal

    • Posted By: iluvsnoridin @ 12/06/2007 3:26:30 AM

      Are you serious? You have no idea what this country was founded on do you? So you want to blow China up, the China your computer came from, right? You want to blow up Iran where the gas in your car comes from? Your comment is perfect, it is exactly what is wrong with this nation. People with your outlook are the reason people like Mr. Bush get to play God.......

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