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Say No to Fat People!
It's not about hating on overweight people. It's about overweight people complaining about their weight all the time. It is annoying and nobody wants to hear about it. Furthermore, us healthy people are pissed we are going to be paying for your health care with rising premiums! I'll loose Medicare at your expense. Thanks!
It is unnatural anyway you look at it. You might find a fat cat or dog but only because their owners feed them too mucht. You do not see fat wild animals. HMMM, can anyone tell me why?
We don't have to except fat people. Yes I am using the word FAT! No PC BS here. You can accept it, but do not chastise me for wanting a soul mate who cares about their body. It is a sign of self respect and it is one less worry to put up with.
You'll only find a soul mate if he/she is as narrow-minded and harsh as you are. Enjoy your life with that kind of person.
Spoken like a true Dem...dem wit, that is.
Spoken like a true Dem...dem wit, that is.
Basically, I think that 95% of the people who have posted on this discussion could at best be called uneducated. This article was not about how gross fat or thin people are, this article was looking at obesity from a sociological point of view, There are societal reasons for people gaining weight over the past twenty years. Each and every one of you look into your lives and realize that the stress you put yourselves has a lot to do with the world we live in: think about it, we live in body concious, image obsessed society, we are all work horses, most of us do not have the time of day to worry about getting to the gym every day, eating perfectly, avoiding the drives throughs, eating the recommended veggies and fruits. Economics are always a factor- guess what when you are poor ramen is a lot cheaper than a cart full of vegetables, healthy food is much more of a luxury to those of us who don't rely on anyone to help them out. As in the articles, psychologically if you have bigger friends it may be more acceptable to carry some extra weight yourself. Why else would the population be on average 24 lbs heavier? Because obesity is not just the patient's problem it is everyone's problem... if 2/3 of the population is overweight the remaining 1/3 by societal standards are now the minority and will soon join the majority. Guaranteed. The people on here acting spiteful and hostile whether it be against someone weighing 90lbs or 200 lbs are obviously hiding issues of their own, to say being being fat is morally wrong expresses deeper issues on the part of the accuser. Lets be honest, you probably hate yourself for something so don't ride your high horse because sometimes you pick a vegetable over fries when you go out to eat. If you feel like looking beyond judgements of worth based on appearance try doing a little reasearch, people a lot smarter than you have already figured this 'epidemic' out, maybe a lot of it is preventable, and maybe a lot of it is not. Oh and by the way for those of you who are convinced that overweight necessarily means health problems compare a 115lb woman who never works out to a 160lb woman who works out every day, the heavier will probably live with much more vitality than the other.
Except that there aren't many 160 pound women who work out everday. And, by workout I mean sweating for at least 20 minutes in a real cardio workout.
Uh oh. I am 5'11, work out a good hour almost every day, atleast 5 days a week, and still weigh a few pounds over 160. I must be so unhealthy and extremely over weight.
Yeah right, melody doesn't know sh*t.
You are sadly mistaken. A good portion of women who work out every day, 20 minutes of cardio as you put, are well over 160lbs.
We need to believe and say to ourselves, "I love my body exactly the way I am."
Right, and then after that we'll all hold hands and sing Kumbaya. Get a grip on life--you must be one of the fat ones
What the HELL makes you think you have the right to ruin another person's body image and self confidence? You may not be fat, but you are a shallow, lookist, vapid, narcissic, depressing, cynical, caustic, insensitive, rude and utterly contemptible excuse for a human being.
Just because you say to yourself "I love my body just the way it is" doesn't mean you're fat. There are plenty of severely underweight anorexic or bulemic women who need to start telling themselves the same thing.
That doesn't necessarily mean you're fat just b/c you say you love your body just the way it is. There are plenty of drastically underweight anorexic or bulemic women who need to start saying the same thing to themselves.
I am one of those nurses who took care of 400 pound people who is now permanently disabled myself because of it. I literally starve myself to keep my weight in line because I don't want to get into the same condition--or have others have to care for me like that--because when one can't move one doesn't burn off many calories--so one just can't burn many calories (I can't move my arms and legs due to spinal conditions, so no aerobic exercise for me--not even walking...) It is a pitiful state to be in--but worthwhile keeping my weight down. Unfortunately people comment about my eating patterns-always pushing food, or thinking I'm not eating enough. I know what I can eat and cannot. It's a life-long "spiritual exercise" of discipline and love--love for me and my God--who has been so abundant in all ways. I know people are really worried--but this concern comes out of not knowing that humankind is eating too much in this country. 'nuff said.
Also any real way to lose weight is withheld from those who don't have the financial means to acquire this type of help. Most women can't afford to spend thousands of dollars for help losing weight, especially in todays society. If it's such a help risk then perhaps there should be more affordable ways to lose weight and more things that really work instead of all the gimmicks on the market, making it all about making money.
If you have no underlying medical condition, weight loss is free, and it's simple. What it isn't is easy and fast. It's slow and tiresome, but all it takes is this: eat less and move more. Neither of those two things costs you money.
That's not true. Yes, there are hundreds of programs out there designed to suck money out of people who believe that they can lose over 50 lbs. by taking a pill and changing nothing about their lives or just eating special meals sent to them and not exercising, but there are programs that are relatively inexpensive and really do work. You can go on the internet and find exercises and ways to eat healthy including entire meal ideas. My boyfriend's sister lost 60 or more lbs. at Curves which is only $30 a month. I don't know how much Weight Watchers costs, but that seems to work for lots of people too. The point is you can lose weight if you really want to, blaming it on outside factors and making excuses is ignoring the problem and pretending like it's not your fault.
You are completely right! LA Weight loss is roughly over $2000 if you've got over 20 lbs to lose and they're called weight loss councelors too...they're saleswomen not councelors...I've heard the LA Weight loss new hires are told this mantra..."they more they cry, the more they buy" to get the new customers to cry about their weight. Seriously, in this day and age, who can afford $2000 for weight loss? Between the price of gas, rent/mortgage, student loans, etc etc....that girl who said "who has time for the gym when you work two jobs" was exactly right. Some of us are even working three jobs just to get by....cost of living keeps goin up and employers don't wanna pay ppl what they need to survive off one job.
in addition.i had a 600lb man ask me to help him out of a chair. for petes sake do i look like a body builder?
i work in a hospital. do you overweight people have a clue how hard it is to deal with someone that weighs 200 300, 400 lbs? they cannot reach their own butts to wipe after going to the bathroom. someone has to help them stand up. someone has to pull them up in the bed. someone has to give them a bath. so my back should be hurting because you guys like big macs? last week one of our nurses had a fat patient fall on her. she cannot work because she got hurt. the patient did not. it is not all about you and your hunger. you will get to the point you cannot take care of yourselves. pity the person that has to take care of you
The importance of weight proportionate to height is health, not looks.
The importance of weight proportionate to height is health, not looks.
Minny: My replies were kind of like the fat jokes I always hear in public -- ostensibly meant for their friend's ears, but purposely told loud enough for all the surrounding fatties to hear. I could really care less whether Martin reads my replies, because he is clearly a bigot, a waste of perfectly good oxygen, and I meant what I said about his opinions being irrelevant. The main reason why I bother is that I am trying to incite other people of size to fight back against this sort of thing, to reclaim the dignity that is rightfully ours as human beings. I'm hoping to give them some ammunition to fight the fat-phobic voice in their own heads and stop taking it from outside, too. I'm just passing along the love that fat activists have shown me, trying to offer up some tools for people who may not b where I am yet. It broke my heart to read the comment from the girl who said she is fat herself but then parroted all of the 'fat is immoral, gross, wrong, disgusting, etc' crap that she hears every day. It is tragic that she should have to hate herself for such a trivial thing, and I'm hoping that people like her will take something good away from my comments. As for Martin, well, he can kiss my fat behind...it's an all night job, but I'll gladly furnish the chapstick.
It's so sad that being an alcoholic, a drug addict, or an abuser is more acceptable in today's society than being fat. we're all addicts, but it bears its mark differently on us. regardless, if "fat" is the worst insult you've got for me, then i think i'm doing pretty good--at least i'm not shallow or bitter. it's like my mama told me when i was younger: "skinny people are always bitchy because they're counting calories...because they're hungry. you know, we may be fat, but at least we're happy!" amen.
Oh don't lie. You're not happy. And don't be a hypocrite and look down on skinny people just because you are fat. You're only making the situation worse for yourself by making stupid comments like that.
I must say that your handle is hillarious and disturbing at the same time.
About your comment... As long as you're happy, I'm happy.
re jayhawk, others...
Martin28ma doesn't care. Guys like him are likely empowered and amused by your passionate responses because he knows he got to you enough to respond to him. Who knows if he's even reading this anymore.
Martin28MA:
???Lets debunk some of the lame excuses that lardasses use to get off the hook.??? A classy intro to a pseudo-intellectual rant (please do note the sarcasm).
Actually, in Africa there are many tribes who consider larger women more attractive. In Nigeria specifically there is a ritual surrounding the fattening of a young girl in preparation for marriage (it is no longer commonly practiced, but larger-framed women are still preferred): http://gaga.essortment.com/africawomenrit_rnpw.htm Additionally, there are multiple other cultures, including places in the South Pacific and other island tribes, that historically or currently employ the same sort of ritual; in those cultures, larger women are seen as fertile and more maternal.
Larger women WERE sex-symbols even in American history; as an example, Lillian Russell weighed somewhere in the neighborhood of 200 lbs, and she was as famous for her beauty as her singing ability. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lillian_Russell
EVERY painting, statue, etc. of beautiful Greek women depicts, yes, muscle, but also curves, rounded bellies, thick limbs and torsos, rounded chins and cheeks. I challenge you to find ONE work of art depicting a cultural ideal of beauty where the women are as thin as the models of today. I have never seen one; the only images I???ve seen of people as thin as is supposedly normal today are of sickly, starving peasants. Yes, the aristocrats were abundantly fat, and yes, that was likely not good for their health, but the BASELINE for normal weight was much plumper than our current culture considers acceptable.
You previously suggested that a woman who weighed 140 lbs on here would be overweight. The statues and paintings that you claim are not fat depict people who would definitely weigh at least 14olbs, probably more. For one thing, muscle is denser and heavier than fat, and for another, I know what 145 lbs looks like on my body, and it pretty much looks like the rounded Greek statues (with possibly larger breasts ??? those women all have small chests for some reason ??? another Greek standard of beauty??). So, you contradict yourself. Either you clearly have no idea what weight looks like on a woman???s body (because we are all programmed to lie about it in shame), or you are stretching yourself here to try to rebut the historically documented preference of rounder, larger women in multiple cultures.
None of this is to say that excessively obese women were ever a cultural ideal, but in our culture we have shifted to the other extreme, so that people like you consider a woman built like a Greek goddess to be repugnant, rather than healthy. At the end of the day, do I even care what you think of my body? I have an ass, I don???t need two, so there is no room for you in my life. Therefore your distorted views are irrelevant to me.
I see that the entire idea of my comment was lost on you so let me and my perky 5 ft 8 in 170 lb body enlighten you. You are a hurtful troll and you have no business judging anyone when the idea of not calling people names that are clearly meant to put other people down. I said it before and I will say it again YOU ARE A BULLY!! and when karma comes around, and it always does then you will know why people say that it's a B*TCH . Beauty does indeed come from the inside, and boy would i hate to see what your black tiny little heart looks like. Clearly there are people who neve learn compassion, the golden rule or the simple fact that "if you can't say something nice, shut up." (that would be you, dude. because heaven knows that you're not intelligent enought to not call people names, so that leads me to believe that you are not smart enought to know that I'm talking to you when I'm commenting under your post)(p.s. call me fat or a lardass. i dare you.) (here's a little secret, i won't cry or get upset or any of the things that you seem to think calling names will achieve...i'm just letting you know the things that no one got around to explaining to you about tact, manners, civility, or whatever you wat to call it and that is this: what goes around comes around) you don't know what it's like to deal with people like you and when you do find out, I hope they verbally rip you apart and destroy every last shred of diginty that you have. and that my friend is what karma is about and how justice is served to people like you.
So it seems that for you it comes down to hating fat people because they???re too big for airplane seats. Has it ever occurred to you to ask to be reseated? They do that, you know. I???m sure the fat people don???t want to sit next to someone like you, who exudes hatred and negativity out of every pore. Current theories in quantum physics suggest that your negativity is actually not only dangerous, but contagious, so I certainly wouldn???t want it to infect my round, happy cells???
Even if all of your claims against fat people were true, where is your vehement opposition to: people who ride motorcycles, whose fatality rate is not much reduced by wearing a helmet ??? and whose survival rate comes along with expensive treatments for spinal cord injuries? People who don???t wear their seatbelts, or who speed? Smokers, who are not only causing their own early demise, but that of their children and other people around them? People who engage in risky sex, both catching and spreading fatal diseases? Anorexics, who are damaging their heart, lungs, and digestive systems, whose disorder can cause life-long medical conditions? There are a million ways in which humans can make poor choices that are both dangerous to their health and potentially expensive for the surrounding community. So why do fat people make you so mad, specifically? Especially since you can???t look at them and know where they are in their attempt to care for their health; a 400lb woman may work hard at dieting and exercise and lose 100lbs, but she will still be fat and will still earn your contempt by there mere fact of her presence in your line of vision; she will necessarily be exercising and eating healthy, thus reducing her risk of health problems, and yet you will still hate her. Why? Because she???s too big to fit in the seat next to you on an airplane that you aren???t even on at the moment?
In short, you???re a bigot, and all your attempts to justify your hatred are reminiscent of similar arguments in the days of civil rights and segregation. You just hate fat people, for no good reason except that the media told you you should. I???d rather be a fat free-thinker than a skinny bigot any day; my soul, and my fat, happy cells, are healthier than yours, and no amount of weight lost or gained can take that away from me.
To debunk your ridiculous arguments:
MOST of the people I know of who have SUVs are thin (they???re harder for fat people to climb into). Only rarely would a fat person not fit into a compact car; my aunt weighs about 400lbs and drives a Ford Focus. Also, she DOESN???T get a handicapped decal. There are strict rules about who can get one; unless you have a valid and verifiable disability, you cant. Maybe you see fat people with decals, but have you ever considered that their disability and the resultant inability to exercise LED to obesity, not the other way around? I work for a disability resource center and I know that it???s quite common for newly disabled people to gain quite a bit of weight. So, all those fatties in disabled spaces that piss you off are legitimately disabled ??? they would have to be, since their doctors are the ones who sign the forms to get the decals ??? and so your hatred is aimed at real disabled people. Very classy.
As for food, tons of over-produced food go to waste yearly. Companies came up with super-sizing to gain some sort of profit on the extra food. Even so, they still produce too much. So no matter whether someone ate it, it would be produced. Besides, its not the AMOUNT of food that makes one fat, its the TYPE of food. Big Mac = 540 cal, 29g fat; 5 large apples, 550 cal, 0g fat. 5 apples are bigger and cost more to produce. As a side note, my two cousins were rail-thin in their teen years and early-to-mid twenties and would eat a whole pizza each as a meal, while I, the chubby girl, ate two or three slices at most. So, your theory that fat people eat more than thin people is fundamentally flawed. Clearly, they ate more than twice what I did in one sitting, but for some reason, never got fat.
As for the jeans, that???s not a fat thing. I have an hourglass shape, always have, and no matter whether I weigh 130 lbs or 330 lbs (I???ve been everywhere in between), I always will. So the bigger-bellied jeans wouldn???t fit me, either. Maybe the problem is that the pants are all made from one template and no variation of SHAPE is offered ??? because obviously someone whose belly is different than yours but who wears roughly the same size can???t be extremely obese, right? Or is shape actually what you have a problem with? Because they are definitely not the same thing. Get your prejudices in order, please.
No matter what my size, inside I???ll always be fat; it???s an identity, forged through years of playground taunts, random commentaries from strangers, an endless stream of loudly expressed judgments. Hatred is words, prejudices, dirty looks; you???d have to be blind, deaf, and flat out dumb NOT to realize that fat people are hated. You have it backwards; fat people don???t hate themselves and project it outwards, those who hate themselves are projecting their daily dose of external hatred inward. Not everyone hates fat people (and not every fat person hates him/herself), but those who do hate fat have no social taboo preventing them from repeatedly and venomously expressing it. Read a good two-thirds of the comments just on this board alone and you can see a clear picture of just how people feel about fat people. Though the claim is that fat is unhealthy and that is a justifiable reason to hate it, most of the comments are about appearance. Theories about the harm that fatties are doing to other people are thinly-veiled excuses for bigotry; the same kind of justifications are used to discriminate against, and perpetrate oppression, hatred, and even violence against, minorities. And just like minorities are not imagining racism, fat people are definitely NOT imagining fat hatred.
I have to say something again... Why most of the fat people think they are hated because they are fat? Probably because somewhere deep inside they know being fat is wrong and they actually hate themselves, too. I don't hate fat people just because they are fat. I hate the fact that because of their obesity they get the disabled parking spaces; I hate when I think of all the environmental effects for the production of thet the extra food they eat ; I hate to see them driving huge SUVs just because they could not fit into a normal car (think of that extra air pollution); I hate to have to sit in an airplane and "share" my seat with the fat person next to me... and I'm sick of having to wear belts on all my jeans because the clothes are designed with the new "fat-around-the-middle" body style in mind. Well, this brings me to another question: What is the reason for those huge bellies in yung people?
If any of you really wanted positive changes for fat people, you would stand beside them, sit down to a healthy meal with them, take a brisk walk with them. You would not stand on their heads, holding them down with mean-spirited judgments, comfortable in your superior role. You are not leaders, and you incite no respect in the fat people you claim to want to motivate. Deep down, you know that, but it feels good to belief yourself superior, doesn???t it?
re: superiority......
Sadly as someone with anorexia, I occasionally have these feelings (at least I admit it, doesn't make it right though). It's easy to hold on to these feelings because with anorexia you're able to do something most people cannot: fight extreme hunger without giving in or going on an all-out binge. I feel bad for feeling this way because I try not to judge people and am nice to almost everyone, but it's part of the eaing disorder.
I read earlier a comment that while 'anorexia is not desireable, fat is just wrong' (or something similar). I disagree. Anorexia is accepted and encouraged by the media and fashion industries. I never get rude comments, I get compliments. And I'm supposed to want to recover from this?
No one cares if you're too skinny--it's like you can't be too skinny. It's sad, but the ones who get picked on are the overweight. Hardly fair, and that makes it hard for me to make an effort towards a recovery and it doesn't solve anything.
I won???t tell you how much I weighed then, or now, or how many calories I eat, or how much exercise I get, because I don???t want to feed into your twisted little system of counting a person???s worthiness in man-made measures of superficial qualities; suffice it to say, it is the perfect combination, and I have a perfect bill of health, and my success was NOT the weight I lost or the approval I gain from people who look at my outer person, my success was finally loving myself enough to take care of me. And none of you care the least bit about that, so your opinions are irrelevant. I am posting this so that other fat people can read it and hopefully realize that you are a bunch of bigots and you only have the power to hurt them if they let you.
A final note: Every human being, regardless of religion, color, size, national origin, race, gender, sexual preference, or disability has the right to be here. You may not like looking at them, but neither do they enjoy sharing the planet with a bunch of people who are so superficial that they judge the worthiness of a person???s existence on something so trivial as fat, and not, in the words of the late, great Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr, ???the content of their character.??? He would have been thrilled to have an army of fat people fighting for his cause, and if he thought their weight was a matter of health concern, he???d have held their hands on the marches and kept them up front with him. He was a great leader, mostly because he knew that the best leaders walk beside their people. And he would be painfully disappointed in the nation he fought to change, the hatred and bigotry that never really left us, just looked for a new angle. And here it is, evident in these commentaries.
If any of you really wanted positive changes for fat people, you would stand beside them, sit down to a healthy meal with them, take a brisk walk with them. You would not stand on their heads, holding them down with mean-spirited judgments, comfortable in your superior role. You are not leaders, and you incite no respect in the fat people you claim to want to motivate. Deep down, you know that, but
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