Mortgage Mess: Is Relief in Sight?

Why Bush's bailout will leave many borrowers out in the cold.

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  • Posted By: techie22 @ 12/26/2008 4:25:15 PM

    So when companies write off their debt and restructure at a lower rate
    with the help of tax dollars, why don't these companies give their
    customers just a few months grace to get back on their feet. After a
    few months of unemployment, most creditors want all their money ASAP
    even when the person gets a new job and can begin payments again.

    It seems as though they don't care if they drive our country into a great
    depression as long as they get theirs first. Don't they understand that a
    depression will affect EVERYONE not just those suffering. Crime will
    increase and those Beamer drivers might end up being killed for their car.

    The wealthy and those opposed to helping anyone need to understand
    they are not an island unless they live totally off the grid. They will need
    customers, farmers and all the other people that make our world work.

  • Posted By: roaddogg19682001 @ 11/09/2008 7:38:23 AM

    money is the root of all evil. People need good homes and transportation no matter the cost to the individual.
    Truth is no one in America should be homeless, hungry or without good mediacl care. If the federal goverment steps in and bails people out good for america meaning if my house was paid for I would buy a new car maybe two, this would spread so to speak increasing spending and of course demand on autos and other products putting people back to work and moving the economy forward. Now if the federal goverment were to impose a income tax on all working americans just for the purpose of home ownership not general funds I for one would be all for it. Homes, food nd medical care in america should be a birth right not a burden for are citizens,

  • Posted By: Leo95 @ 08/03/2008 9:22:36 PM

    If your fico score is less the 660, you only have yourself to blame and not Bush. He didn't push you into getting 12 credit cards and 2 new expensive cars on top of your home mortgage. He didn't tell you to go out and get a home equity loan to pay for vacations and plasma tvs. People with mortgage problems only have themselves to blame for not educating themselves on how things work and how not to trust a mortgage broker making money of you.

  • Posted By: Oohcook @ 05/07/2008 6:15:02 PM

    Did the bill by Bush eventually pass? How can I learn more about it?

  • Posted By: Marys72 @ 04/28/2008 12:33:31 PM

    The problem with Bush so called bail outs for mortgages is how many people do you know with this economy have a fico score of 660 what about people with fico scores below that , they are out of luck once again Bush sucks

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  • Posted By: chuckb35 @ 12/21/2007 4:20:39 PM

    Bush's proposal is not a taxpayer bailout. Please read the details first, rant later.

  • Posted By: Winghunter @ 12/20/2007 5:27:55 PM

    Listen UP! You're responsible for yourself in everything you choose to do. If you screw up you pay the price.

    Where do you pretend to get the nerve to have taxpayer's bail your butt out!?!? Get a real thought.

  • Posted By: mscarr1 @ 12/14/2007 5:50:54 PM

    The reality is that most of us cannot be helped because the program requirements are too stringent. I have an ARM - it has already re-set, I have never missed a payment, nor been late, but I cannot refinance.

    I made improvements to my property, have no car loans and no credit card debt, my FICO score is higher than when I got the loan, but not good enough to refinance. And the value of the property in my neighborhood is of course, lower because of the foreclosures. So, I am stuck.

    I am going to try and sell and buy another house down the street (bigger for less money). Wish me luck.

  • Posted By: Mwalimu @ 12/13/2007 12:29:06 AM

    President Bush???s gesture to help homeowners is largely political. It was prompted by Republican congressmen fearing repercussions in the 2008 elections. The Byzantine eligibility requirements for mortgage relief help relatively few troubled homeowners. Most of those deemed ???eligible??? will probably reside in Republican Congressional districts. Once the election is over, those mortgage lenders who voluntary ???froze??? lending rates can easily ???unvolunteer??? and tack on a number of service and handling fees to make up the difference.
    In addition, Bush???s bail out fails to address the real problem - that too few people can afford to live anywhere. For yours inspection, I???d like to offer some stats published in the December issue of PC Magazine (US Cities Tech Jobs)
    City Average Household income Average home price
    New York)Manhattan) 119,000 1,300,000
    Los Angeles 47K 616K
    Chicago 41K 339K
    Baltimore/DC 53 K 470K
    Seattle 88K 543K

    As you can see, in many cities the cost of housing is about 8 to 10 times higher than the household income. No wonder realtors turn to ???creative??? financing schemes, such as APR???s rather than the traditional 30 year fixed. (Which requires 20% down and which the housing price is limited to no more than 4 times the household income.) Creative financing simply enables the real estate industry to jack up home prices, which in turn means fewer people can afford to buy homes.

    I must add that the average household income is going down, not up. Thanks to globalization, workers in this country must accept lower wages, or their jobs will be outsourced to India or Bangla Desh. People must pay for their own health insurance. If the Republicans have their way and shut down public schools, people will have to pay for their children???s education as well. Many young people are already burdened with debt from educational loans. These economic realities do not bode well for the housing market.

    Perhaps Bush???s little scheme may delay the recession, but sooner or later the entire real estate market will come tumbling down. The rich are getting richer and fewer, the poor are getting poorer and more numerous. Bush and his cronies on the Federal Reserve do not even understand that this is a problem.

  • Posted By: mzzim@hotmail.com @ 12/10/2007 2:10:22 AM

    And now I read that many people are in even more trouble and cannot afford their car payments. For the past few years people have been living on the edge with large credit card debts as more and more good paying jobs get out sourced and off shored. Good paying union jobs are being sqeezed out in right-to-work days (meaning union are unpopular). Someone needs to take at look at the big picture and work with corporations for the good of the whole. We are too greedy in the corporate world. In the 60's there were not 33,000 lobbyist in D.C. like there is now and CEO's did not make 400 times more than their employees. What ever happened to "ethical" practices and the words honor and integrity....they were replaced by "greed". Greed in government, corporations and religious organization. No one cares or looks at this country for the good of the whole...and now we are in this debt mess. China indeed has us over a barrel and Washington acts like it no big deal. But it iis a big deal. In eight years Bush and company managed to create a huge mess of debt, a needless war for profiteering and allowed corporations to run amoke and those in Iraq .. to waste tax payers hard earned money. When people lose their good paying jobs where is the tax base going to come from and who will have money to buy good (made in China goods). When was the last time you saw a "Made in the USA" label? Have we been out-sourced into a hopefull the river of despair?

  • Posted By: poshman @ 12/08/2007 4:33:40 PM

    One of the many nice things about Newsweek's decent and honorable practice of permitting these comments is the tremendous magnification and analysis that each article receives from the reading public. I cannot help but think that it must help journalists focus on writing truthful and thought -provoking articles. This can only be a good thing. Even better, since I find the posts left by the vast majority of Newsweek readers are also thought-provoking and truthful expressions of honest opinion, each Newsweek article that is of interest to me becomes something of a feast of voices that matter to me. So thanks to all and Newsweek.

    With regard to this feast, I've read pretty much every single comment. As I said, so many are terrific and uplifting reminders of our still vibrant democractic tradition. However, as comforting as this truth is, the sad equally truthful reality is that our government has become a bastion for an elite minority of corporate kingpins and purchased politicians. With the great help of Concerned4490's 12/6 9:55pm post, in which he does such a great service in peeling back the cover on the Bush Bailout, I've come to believe that - while this plan can help some in dire straits - it is really a bailout for the banks. Just consider what Concerned4490 has disclosed: only those with 3% equity at the time of home purchase will qualify. With home prices down, that means that the banks are upside down in those homes since the homeowner has so little equity. Instead, it's the bank that's holding the bag. Bush is paid to prevent the banks from this unpleasant reality. So they got together and figured a way to keep those loans from hurting the banks and their lobbyists. Of course, the public disclosures suggest a kind and gentle rescue of vulnerable homeowners. Yet, as the public is slowly realizing, that rhetoric is - like so much government speech - a pretext that masks the real government intent, which is to protect the elite minority. Two homeowners with identical houses in the same town on the same street with the exact same ARM will be treated differently if one put a 20% downpayment and the other put no money down. The latter will get the help - a five year interest rate freeze - since the bank is holding the bag on his house. The guy who saved to put 20% down gets nothing because the bank has his hard earned equity cushion to rely upon. He gets sacked with the usurious interest rate resets and foreclosuring on this house is not so unseemly for the bank since they can get their pound of flesh out of the collateral. As house prices decline, the banks can rest assured that the homeowner's equity gets bruised first. If housing prices drop by more that 20%, you can anticipate another Bush Bailout for even those who put 20% down so the banks can remain whole. What a scam, and what a disgrace this president is. He is absolutely anathema for America.

  • Posted By: SUNNY DAYS @ 12/06/2007 6:42:36 PM

    Try selling your home for 14 months 3 realtors later and $100,000.00 less than the original asking price.
    Property comps that kept coming down because of the 14 pages of foreclosures every week in the local
    paper. We are all being financially punished by the subprime fiasco even though we paid our mortgages
    on time the value is no longer there...............

    • Posted By: missstaceyg @ 12/06/2007 7:59:31 PM

      Then, sorry, but your original asking price was way too high. The "value" of a home, by definition (thanks, Webster's!) is "the worth of a thing in money". So your home is not worth, to anyone else, what it is worth to you, apparently. My home has nearly doubled in appraised value since we bought it almost 7 years ago, but all that "value" means to me is much higher property taxes. I can't wait for home prices in my area to tank, so my taxes will go back down to a reasonable level. And if I want to sell, I'll just have to take what a buyer is willing to offer. That's the free market for you.

      • Posted By: sinewv @ 12/06/2007 9:18:14 PM

        You are going to be sorely disappointed if you think your taxes are going to go down just because your house has lost value. Your town's costs haven't gone down and they will still need the same amount of money to run things. If property values go down they will have to raise the tax rate (mill rate) in order to produce the same amount of tax revenue. When was the last time your town's budget went DOWN?

        • Posted By: missstaceyg @ 12/07/2007 10:03:18 PM

          Nope, voters in my county (Wicomico, MD) voted in a revenue cap several years ago. The county is only allowed to take in so much tax revenue a year, and with more people moving into the county and paying property tax, county administrators have to LOWER property taxes across the board so as not to go over the cap. In the past few years, the property tax rate has been reduced from .993 in 2005 to .881 in 2007.

    • Posted By: SDDan @ 12/06/2007 6:45:55 PM

      How long did you own your home?

  • Posted By: CorbinB2 @ 12/06/2007 8:42:52 PM

    Just another example of this administration doing too little too late, but I digress...lol

    Honestly though, why is no-one laying the blame at the feet of the lenders? They created this mess by giving people mortgages who shouldn't have gotten them to begin with or at best put people that should have into higher terms than they should have been in.

    The lenders should be taking the brunt of this and if the investors of these mortgage backed funds want to sue anyone, it should be them. If a lender says you qualify, it is their responsibility to do their due diligence and if they make a bad call face the consequences. Ultimately, if the lender says yes, it should stay yes.
    If it looks like it may go bad afterall, they should help create an environment whereby the borrower can continue on the path to home ownership.

    • Posted By: dubldoc @ 12/07/2007 1:50:17 PM

      I agree that lenders bear a large part of the blame and want them penalized, but.. , the CEO's who put the policies in place will likely not be held accountable or may leave with an obscene 'golden parachute' severance package... meaning investors will pay the price (as always). This an arguement for MORE, not less, Government regulation to prevent this nonsense, just as we COULD HAVE prevented the S+L crisis in the 80's if we hadnt let the 'Free Market' Texicans change the rules.

  • Posted By: CorbinB2 @ 12/07/2007 1:38:26 PM

    The purpose of credit is to allow expenditure based on future income. If as one commenter put it, we only bought what we could afford if we lost our job, no-one would buy anything ever except with cash. This may sound like a great idea, but isn't very practical for things like houses and cars.

    The lenders who granted these sub-prime mortgages to people who they knew should not have gotten them are the real issue here. Everyting after that is just fodder for discussion, but does nothing to address the real problem. Yes people should be educated with regard to lending, but ultimately if your financial institution/lender tells you that you qualify, most people will trust that and these lenders know it.

    This administration has primarily been propping up the economy based on credit for short term political gain, instead of taking less 'newsworthy' steps to ensure the economy would stay strong. Now that there is a 'credit crunch' everyone is scrambling trying figure out how this could have happened? Give me a break!

    The lenders knew they should not be doing sub-prime lending and so did the regulating powers, and did it anyway to avoid negative political repercussions for the current administration. It really is a shame that there was an opportunity for this administration to do great things from the first day they took office and they have essentially accomplished squat, except of course kill off a few thousands loyal american soldiers.

  • Posted By: jimmmylee @ 12/07/2007 1:07:11 PM

    I admire my mother, born in 1930, a child of the depression. Likewise, my father, of blessed memory, whose own father had the foresight to sell out the stock market in 1929 before it crashed. What I learned from each of them was to live within our means. In my mother's case it was well within our means, without ostentation.

    They became, in Tom Brokaw's words, members of the greatest generation. While that tag is due in very great measure to the fighting done in WWII and Korea, it goes without saying that the basic values refined in the crucible of the Depression form the basis of this designation.

    Perhaps America needs a gut check again.

  • Posted By: khenson @ 12/07/2007 9:24:49 AM

    charlesw3: "Seriously, dude - do you really understand what you just said. If we had that we could actually allow the liberals (who are frequently, just as foolishly wrong as conservatives) to NOT fund out military or our prisons. Both of which I cheerfully fund knowing that they are decisions made BY all of us and FOR all of us."

    Funding the military protects us all and I happily fund it as well. The point is: if only a few benefit - it's not a candidate for Federal money. Most prisons are state institutions and are funded accordingly so my NC tax dollars aren't paying for a prison in Montana which isn't doing me any good. Federal prisons, again, I would happily fund.

    NC's market never inflated like other states and has been largely unaffected - home prices and sales are certainly lower than during the boom but commensurate with (if not actually better than) pre-boom levels. The neighborhood in which I live doesn't have a slew of foreclosures so my tax dollars bailing you out is a complete loss to me. I would rather see another federal prison, an additional F-22 or funding for stem cell research (wishful thinking).

    The right thing is not to cry to the "gubmint" - the right thing is to be an adult and suck it up. Sorry you're in a neighborhood that's affected but as my dad used to say - sometimes you eat the bear and sometimes the bear eats you.

    You bought a house and took a gamble with its value - like we all did. Just because your payout looks bleak doesn't make it my problem or the problem of any other taxpayer in this country.

  • Posted By: noodleman @ 12/07/2007 1:49:56 AM

    Reward the stupid? Whether that be the misinformed buyer, or the short-sighted lending institution sets a bad precedence. I bought my home to stay in for quite some time, not as an ATM machine for ignorant purchases. So because a bunch of spend happy morons are now screaming "poor me", the financial word must accomodate. Let the chips fall where they may and just maybe our future generations will finally understand what being financially responsible is all about. Did any of these people sign on the dotted line with a gun to their head??? I think not. When I bought my house, I asked myself... If you lose your job, what can you safely afford? Reward the impulsive and they are doomed to repeat these same mistakes !!!

    • Posted By: bigdan1069 @ 12/07/2007 8:12:33 AM

      noodleman: I could not agree with you more. Every loan doc has disclosures that outline the payment, the rate, and terms of the loan. I've watched my neighbors all remodel their homes, get new cars, take vacations, and spend like crazy... now they're crying the blues about their adjusted payment screaming foul.

  • Posted By: fostesky @ 12/07/2007 4:42:33 AM

    Who is he really trying to help? and what good does it do in the long run. Not many and not much.

  • Posted By: boumerlin @ 12/06/2007 5:15:55 PM

    Sorry but I don't agree we should be bailing people out. Back in '99 I bit the bullet and bought a home I could afford with a fixed-rate mortgage. Sure, it would have been nice to have more house but I knew the risks of an ARM and was unable to take them. Now I have relocated and have my home on the market at the worst possible time to sell.........a market that is in the dumper because of this mess. So as a responsible person, I AM paying for this mess in lost equity. Now you want me to pay again with my tax dollars too?

    The world (and the government) don't owe you a thing, folks! If you're in a jam because of poor decisions then find your own solution.

    • Posted By: missstaceyg @ 12/06/2007 5:36:22 PM

      I'm right there with you, boumerlin! We bought a small home in early 2001 with a sensible fixed-rate loan, and now that we would like to move up to a larger home we cannot because prices in our area have been so artificially inflated by folks with these ARMs. That's even assuming we could sell the house we are in now, which isn't likely because everyone else is selling, too. Thanks, speculators, for ruining the market!

      • Posted By: galabar @ 12/06/2007 6:52:20 PM

        You're contradicting yourself. Either housing prices are inflated or they aren't. You seem to be saying that you can't afford a bigger house because it is too expensive and with an inflated price, whereas you can't sell your house because you can't get enough for it and the price is deflated. In reality, you are in luck (as is everyone that wants to move up in house).. It is true that you'll lose some money on your smaller house. However, you'll save more in total because the house you are moving to will drop by about the same percentage (which translates to a larger dollar saving for you).

        • Posted By: missstaceyg @ 12/06/2007 8:14:06 PM

          Sorry, I wasn't clear. In my area, the people who are selling in high numbers are the folks in small starter homes like mine. So there is a glut of them. Folks in mid-sized homes - the kink that we want to move up to, say 2000 sq. feet or so, are mostly staying put. There are very few this size on the market, so they are very high priced (in the cost per square foot sense). We are hoping that in the next few years more of these home will hit the market, or be built, but if they don't we have a solid roof over our head and will be fine.

          • Posted By: galabar @ 12/07/2007 2:24:33 AM

            Can you tell me your general area?

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