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  • Posted By: racehorse @ 12/09/2007 6:58:29 PM

    So the birth rate went down for 14 years and up for 1 and you say the abstinence program is failing???????? If every government program had this success rate that would be a great thing

    • Posted By: maiathebeegrrl @ 12/16/2007 1:32:17 PM

      actually, the research on abstinence only programs is what tells use they're failing. check out the report issued last spring from mathematica policy institute. comissioned by the bush administration as the an in-depth program evaluation of the abs-only programs they have been funding for the last 7 years, the report issued found that abs-only sex ed had NO SIGNIFICANT EFFECT in reducing or delaying intercourse, decreasing pregnancy, decreasing STD rates, or even increasing most knowledge about sexual health. in fact, the only thing difference they found between the kids who took abs-only sex ed and those who recieved NO sex ed, was that the abs-only kids did better at picking out which diseases on a ist were sexually transmitted (but they were no more knowledgable about the risks and consequences of said diseases). on the other hand, research on comprehensive sex ed programs has consistently and overwhlemingly found them to be effective at delaying age of first intercourse, reducing the total number of intercourse partners, reducing the frequqncey of intercourse, increasing use of birth control and condoms, and even (in some studies) reducing the frequency of coerced intercourse. those results are true in comparison with both abs-only sex ed and no sex-ed. basically, 20 years of research all over the world tells us that giving kids honest, medically accurate, positive, age appropriate information about sexuality in a well-supported comprehensive program of long-term learning WORKS. and also that so-called abstinence only sex ed is tantamount to NO sex ed.

    • Posted By: Dave in NM @ 12/10/2007 12:21:58 AM

      How many of those 14 years was the program in place? 14 years ago (the start of the downward trend) was the early Clinton era (remember when his Surgeon General was ridden out of town on a rail over nothing?). I thought this program with such a great track record was the product of a more recent administration...

  • Posted By: lilycalaway @ 12/13/2007 10:57:31 PM

    Denying teenagers access to proper sex education and berating those who are having sex only produces extreme results. A teen pregnancy is an unfortunate circumstance, but must be addressed. The suicide rates among pregnant teenage girls as well as the rising number of severe infections and deaths due to attempts at self-abortion are unacceptable. Babies end up in dumpsters and abandoned not because their mothers are inherently evil, but because young women feel they have no other options.

  • Posted By: lilycalaway @ 12/13/2007 10:50:10 PM

    Denying teenagers access to proper sex education and berating those who are having sex only produces extreme results. A teen pregnancy is an unfortunate circumstance, but must be addressed. The suicide rates among pregnant teenage girls as well as the rising number of severe infections and deaths due to attempts at self-abortion are unacceptable. Babies end up in dumpsters and abandoned not because their mothers are inherently evil, but because young women feel they have no other options.

  • Posted By: doulayoung @ 12/11/2007 9:47:26 PM

    While you noted the rise in teen birth rates reported by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control in you web exclusive ???Just Say Maybe??? (Dec. 6), you did not address the equally alarming rise in cesarean births in the same CDC report. Cesareans went up 3 percent from 2005 to a record of 31.1 percent of all births, up 50 percent in the past decade. DONA International fully supports the CDC???s Healthy People 2010 goal and hopes to help families reach a target cesarean rate of 15 percent.

    DONA International, the world???s oldest and largest doula association, works to provide women with information and emotional support to help them make the best choices for themselves regarding childbirth and early parenting. Research shows that unnecessary cesarean births increase morbidity and mortality of both mothers and infants. Statistics also show that women who have doula support during labor and birth have a lower cesarean rate.

    Postpartum doulas, who help women and families adjust to life with a newborn, are beneficial to new parents, but especially to mothers who have the additional physical limitations imposed by surgery.

    Debbie Young
    President
    DONA International
    www.DONA.org

  • Posted By: doulayoung @ 12/11/2007 9:46:23 PM

    While you noted the rise in teen birth rates reported by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control in you web exclusive ???Just Say Maybe??? (Dec. 6), you did not address the equally alarming rise in cesarean births in the same CDC report. Cesareans went up 3 percent from 2005 to a record of 31.1 percent of all births, up 50 percent in the past decade. DONA International fully supports the CDC???s Healthy People 2010 goal and hopes to help families reach a target cesarean rate of 15 percent.

    DONA International, the world???s oldest and largest doula association, works to provide women with information and emotional support to help them make the best choices for themselves regarding childbirth and early parenting. Research shows that unnecessary cesarean births increase morbidity and mortality of both mothers and infants. Statistics also show that women who have doula support during labor and birth have a lower cesarean rate.

    Postpartum doulas, who help women and families adjust to life with a newborn, are beneficial to new parents, but especially to mothers who have the additional physical limitations imposed by surgery.

    Debbie Young
    President
    DONA International
    www.DONA.org

  • Posted By: katmetalman @ 12/10/2007 10:47:50 PM

    So what if a Teen gets pregnant, Maybe the bad part is NOT the teen but the people who put her down, Maybe its HUMAN NATURE TO MATE AND HAVE BABIES,

  • Posted By: katmetalman @ 12/10/2007 10:31:02 PM

    hy dont we teach our kids "GOOD HEALTHY LOVING RELATIONSHIPS" Whats whong with that huh? BUT all we do is say NO, and say Dont have Sex and thats that, HOW STUPID, The Mom's tell there daughters to say No to boys, The Dad's tell there son's to Go for it, The government say abstinence only, see how screwed up it is for our children, our children are going to have Intimacy disfuntions when they grow up, they are going to have Poor relationships, Abstinence only is the most STUPID thing I heard of, We need to teach our son's and daughter's a Lot more than Dont do it and thats that, YES we need to teach and show Good Healthy Relationships, Because they will have one sooner or later anyways..

  • Posted By: mfenwick @ 12/09/2007 12:45:42 PM

    Like it or not girls , and some boys, have sexual feelings and desires as early as 10 years old. Stupid parents and teachers think that if their little girls get involved in sports they won't think about boys and sex.; they will run off alot of that sexual tension. WRONG! Because girls reach puberty at younger and younger ages it is ridiculous to expect them to remain virgins until they are 18, much less until they are married. They must have safe sexual outlets for sexual energy. One only need to look on YouTube to see teen girls, usually two or more at a time, acting out their sexuality in front of a camera. Cheerleading is about the only sexual sport offered to girls to express their sexuality. Cheerleaders wear short skirts, shake their hips, dance provocatively, give the fans a glimpse under their skirts, and yell their suggestive chants without being labeled. We need to accept the fact that girls age 10 and above are sexual beings and must have sexual expression and relief if we are to prevent the spread of stds and pregnancies.

  • Posted By: billy2007 @ 12/09/2007 9:09:13 AM

    C. MacLean ,you are great .what you said is perfect.i agree you:)

  • Posted By: billy2007 @ 12/09/2007 9:00:43 AM

    i hope tha t this program can work .

  • Posted By: misterharban @ 12/08/2007 10:11:11 PM

    It would be interesting to know what the trend is with regard to the number of second teen births. This, like the corresponding trends concerning the rate of second abortions might be somewhat diagnostic of factors other than education which are involved unplanned pregnancies. (The Guttmacher Institute has reported that 48 percent of all abortions are not first abortions.) After all, it is reasonable to believe that a second birth or second abortion is not likely the result of a lack of education or information. It would also be worth knowing if second births and/or abortions have some unique relationship to a lack of access to contraceptives or whether they are the result of simple indeference.

  • Posted By: C. MacLean @ 12/08/2007 5:37:20 PM

    As usual, Americans have managed to take a complex issue and turn it into a typically polarizing duo of "solutions" with no middle ground, guaranteed to keep us yelling at each other to try and prove our argument and prevent us from actually dealing with the problem.

    Telling teens to "just say no" because of some misguided notion that they will listen has not worked with alcohol and drugs, and it hasn't worked with sex. And why should it - adults in American society don't say no, why should a teenager? Ministers, senators, presidents, high school teachers - these people have struggled with what is appropriate sexual behavior, let alone the rock stars, actors and athletes our teens admire. The divorce rate is 50% - just how much monogamous sex is really going on in our country?

    If we want our teens to behave in a mature fashion, we as adults need to behave in the same fashion.

    Sexuality, as an adult should practice it, includes using appropriate birth control, avoidance of high risk sexual practices that leave one vulnerable to sexually transmitted diseases, understanding the emotional and physical consequences of ones' choices, and yes, on occasion, abstinence. Appropriate adult sexuality includes information, informed decisions, and an understanding of consequences.

    If we are not going to provide our teens with these things, we have no business being suprised if teen birthrates rise, nor should we be surprised that for all age groups, the rates of chlymadia, syphillis, gonorrhea, hepatitis B and HIV are also rising.

    Clearly, Americans of all ages are having unprotected sex. We can bury our heads in the sand and whine about morals and abstinence, or we can provide appropriate public health funding for all age groups and use the preventative health practices that we know work. to help people avoid teen pregnancies and sexually tranmitted diseases.

    And we can all act more like grown ups.

  • Posted By: FadeAstride @ 12/08/2007 12:54:11 AM

    Wow, some of you guys are sorry excuses for human beings. Seriously.

    I'm just going to throw out some little tidbits here: Most of the people I've known who were having sex very early and becoming pregnant by the age of, oh, 15 were the the very religious girls who had very little knowledge of safe sex. My athiest friends who received sex ed (usually from their parents) are either having safe sex in stable relationships or are still virgins.

    Some of you are complaining about the burden teenage parents place on society because of Welfare. Well, teach those girls some safe sex and give them access to affordable or free birth control and maybe they won't need the Welfare. Just a thought.

    I hear a lot of whining about waiting until marriage and not having sex until you're ready for a child. Ok. What if those two don't come together? What if you're ready for a child but you and your significant other don't want to get married? What if you're married and you don't want children? Are you just...not supposed to be physically intimate with your spouse? Because that's stupid.

    I also love the arguments about girls being whores and sluts. Classy, everyone. Show the world how caring you can be. For the record, it kinda takes two to make a baby. A girl can't just be like, "Hey, I want to be pregnant!" and then swell up like a balloon all by herself. Why isn't the boy a "whore" or a "slut" as well? If boys could get pregnant, I swear to god there would be no argument about this right now, and abortion would never come under fire.

    "Society wasn't there when you laid down."
    For the record? That's absolute bull. Society *was* there, in her head, sending her all sorts of conflicting messages about what she's supposed to do and be, about the consequences of engaging in sex or not, about her place as a woman. Society was there the whole damn time, telling her she's going to be a prude or a whore, an ice queen or a slut.

    So before you start passing judgement on people who happen to have made choices that are a little bit different than yours, take a minute to think about why someone would make those choices. Think about the expectations placed on girls and women every single day of their lives.

    And when you're done thinking, go ahead and shut your big stupid mouth.

    • Posted By: Dave in NM @ 12/08/2007 1:08:36 AM

      Wow - if you're going to post here, I won't have to say another word. Bravissimo!

      • Posted By: eubankk @ 12/08/2007 2:55:34 AM

        FadeAstride - I have to agree with Dave in NM - Bravissimo!! Dave in NM - I have read your posts on this board with great interest and must say: Bravissimo to you also!!

        • Posted By: Dave in NM @ 12/08/2007 1:10:20 PM

          Thank you, eubankk - I feel like I've been talking more than my turn, here, but I DO have a young daughter (very pretty), and these issues are incredibly important to me. My daughter is very smart, and can go as high in life as she aims - I just want to give her all the tools she needs to get the most of her immense potential (and that includes a dose, when she's ready, of sexual pleasure). She just has to understand the value of what she'll be sharing with the right young man - it's nothing to spread around lightly.

      • Posted By: eubankk @ 12/08/2007 2:53:38 AM

        FadeAstrie - I have to agree with Dave in NM: Bravissimo!!

  • Posted By: dewcooper @ 12/07/2007 11:31:48 AM

    For those so quick to say the current system does not work, from the first question in the article:

    NEWSWEEK: Why do you think the teen birth rate is increasing again?
    Heather Boonstra: We don't know entirely. You can't draw a straight line between whether this in truth indicates that more of these births are wanted or unwanted, whether the pregnancy rate has gone up and therefore the birth rate has gone up, or whether it means fewer young people are turning to abortion and more are giving birth instead. It may be part of a larger trend, or it may be just a blip.

    So why doesn't everyone just climb down off of their high horse before they break something. The truth of the matter is that SOCIETY has not given 'abstenance only' education the same support that they give Planned Parenthood. Regardless of what information kids may recieve in school, the remainder of their time they are subjected to an endless barage of 'free sex' indoctrination. The truth is that children spend a great deal of their time NOT having sex, and so the theory that they can't help themselves is a joke. The myth that their 'parents' lack adiquate information (don't THEY know how they got pregnant) is just that, a myth.
    In reality, a person who abstains from sex does not get pregnant, does not get STDs, does not destroy her hormone product with 'the pill' and has a better shot at succeeding in life than does a single parent.
    In many cases the issue of single parenthood and teen pregnancy is not a SEX issue, but a moral one. Any coincidence that this increase in birth rate also coinsides with the removal of prayer and religous discussions in the school system? When you take God out of school you just end up with a God-less school.

    • Posted By: Dave in NM @ 12/08/2007 1:03:57 AM

      So why is it that the people most interested in putting god in schools are the ones having the most babies out of wedlock? Abstinence-only "education" is the product of trying to put one type of religion into schools, and coincides with some of the highest rates of teen STDs, pregnancy and single motherhood in the USA. Keep religion in the home where it belongs (if anywhere), and leave the schools for - you know - EDUCATION. Kids know as well as anyone else that the best way to avoid being in a car wreck is not to be in a car, but we still teach them how to drive. Putting the Christian god in schools will not teach kids how to go about it when they DO (and they WILL) have sex. All it will do is ruin even more lives at the expense of what makes our country what it is (but that's another message board).

      • Posted By: eubankk @ 12/08/2007 3:28:06 AM

        dewcooper - The god arguement is not one that really holds water here. Do you really believe that allowing prayer in school is going to stop teens from wanting to have sex? If so which god shouls we all pray to? Hindu god? Christian god? Muslim god? Jewish god? How exactly is that going to help? My wife and I had our daughter out of wedlock when we were 16 years old and morality was never a question; my wife was a church going Lutheran and I was an Episcopalian but we were in love with each other and made the decision to have sex when we were far too young. We knew the consequences (school sex-ed....imagine that!) but we chose to ignore them at the time. Kids are kids and all of the prayer in the world will NOT change that!

  • Posted By: eubankk @ 12/08/2007 3:18:45 AM

    I have read all of the posts on this board and am frankly astonished at the ignorance and intolerence displayed by so many of you! My wife and I became parents at the age of 16, we were actually 15 years old when she got pregnant and we were of course not married at that time. We got married a few months after our beautiful daughter was born; we have now been married for 23 years and have two more wondedrful children. Our daughter is now almost 24 years old and happily married herself as of 6/22/07, one of our sons is 21 and attending college while working full time, and our youngest is 16 and an honor student in high school with plans of becoming a doctor. My wife was never a slut or a whore, we loved each other (and still do) but made decisions that children that age should never make. I fully agree with comprehensive sex education but it is up to the parents to make sure the lessons stick with the kids. Our lives were by no means easy and I would not recommend that anyone follow the path we did but our children never went hungry and we did not accept dime one in welfare money. We have come a long way (my wife is about to get her MBA with honors after much hard work) after a difficult start but we are living proof that life does not end with a mistake made in your teen years. We as a country can't continue to put our children in harm's way by not teaching them how to take care of themselves. I am fairly sure that god has no place in this argument and we must do our best for our children and that includes teaching them how to be safe WHEN they make one of the biggest decisions of their lives! God's disapproval often makes a handy arguement in these types of issues but somehow I don't think that he would approve of all of the hatred and vitriol that is being spewed in his name by all of the "christians" on this board. Selective morality has no place in such an important discussion.

  • Posted By: monicarae @ 12/07/2007 1:14:37 PM

    I think that by making abortion more accessible, less expensive, or possibly covered by insurance, and more acceptable in the eyes of society, the rates of teen pregnancy would completely decrease. Also, we need to make sex ed in public schools a little more comprehensive, not only teaching abstinence, but safe sex practices for both straight and gay/*** couples. By scaring kids into not having sex by telling them bogus stats about STIs and the risks of pregnancies, we are not helping them. (I know this happens because I am a graduate of the SC public school system, thank you) We need to arm them with the correct information and have them make well informed desicions about when becoming sexually active is right for them and their partner. And, instead of bitching about our tax dollars going to welfare mothers, we need to be bitching about why these young girls are being pressured into having sex in the first place. Maybe its because we all live in a patriarchal society where its okay to sexually objectify women. And these young girls feel that the only way to get boys to accept them is to have sex with them. Maybe be should be bitching about the source of the problem instead of the stereotypical welfare moms.

    • Posted By: Dave in NM @ 12/08/2007 1:05:59 AM

      I'm sure you have no idea how encouraging it is that you are the product of the SC school system.

      What the reactionaries on here (and everywhere) don't get is that being pro-choice is about making abortion available, safe and RARE.

  • Posted By: trying to teach @ 12/06/2007 5:07:15 PM

    Ok, here are my two cents. I am a high school teacher, in our highschool we do not have a sex ed class in our highschool, we service a small southwest community where there are all levels of socioeconomic classes I watch these young people all day long, I overhear thier conversations, see what they think is "cool" and actually talk to them to see exactly what they are thinking...not just about this subject but all areas of life. I have had many a pregnant young lady in my classroom, some of the fathers are around some arent. What I have found is that society makes alot of this permisable unless a strong parent figure interceeds. What I mean by this is that I have had students come up and ask if they can throw the mom to be a baby shower in my room, or I have recieved invitations to baby showers thrown by the happy grandma, aunite, god mother to be. We have made having a baby look easy and fun, they get to wear cute maternity clothes, everyone gets excited and when the baby finally arrives reality sets in and many drop-out. When I was in high-school (Im not that old-only out of HS 20 years)a pregnant teen was still considered shocking, the girl would leave school before she showed and it was still a rare occurance. We had sex-ed classes back then and while they may not have been the best those classes in conjunction with guidance from home and a fear of a "bad" reputaion were enough to keep many of us saying "NO." I have taken note that many of my pregnant teens come from generation upon generation of teen parents so therefore it a norm for them. Thier parents, grandparents, and even great-grandparents had minimal or no education and so therefore these girls are coming from environments where they were taking care of thier siblings from a young age....they then figure if i have to be taking care of a baby it might as well be my own.
    Another big big problem....beleive it or not is still the fact that teens are misinformed. They don't really understand the physical aspects of "how it really happens" and still beleive the myths like "you can't get pregnant if you do it in water" etc. W
    We need to educate our youth, follow through year after year and stop allowing our children to do as they please because the latest pop star is doing it.........

    • Posted By: dckitty7 @ 12/06/2007 5:15:41 PM

      Amen. My niece had a huge baby shower. I personally thought it was very tacky to have a party celebrating the impending birth of an out of wedlock child, but in the interests of not starting a family feud, I attended. Of course, the baby should not suffer because of the mother's lack of modesty, but I thought it would have been much more in keeping with the situation to simply request a donation from family and friends in lieu of a party.

      • Posted By: Isabo @ 12/06/2007 7:54:47 PM

        dckitty7 - While your neice's pregnancy may not have come at a convenient time, I think it is wonderful that her motherhood and the birth of her child was supported by her real family (not to include you in that). Your niece will not be a teenage mother for long, but she will always be that child's mother. Thank goodness that she has the support of loving members of her family. It is unfortunate that you are so narrow minded and worried about what is tacky. Too bad she didn't give her baby away to infertile needy strangers, huh? Best to sacrifice your neice's motherhood and her eternal piece of mind so that you don't have to put up with tacky immodesty in your family. God help us - a bastard was born into the family!!!! Thank God that society has grown past the likes of you.

        • Posted By: AlexD @ 12/07/2007 11:49:12 AM

          You reply is soo stupid i dont know where to start. Thats the problem with America and these females teens having kids. You do not throw a baby shower for a 17 year old who is pregnant. Thsiis sending her the message that it is ok to be young and pregnant. IT IS NOT OK. Any young women who has had a child before her twnties is throwing her life away.. Once that child is born then thats it, no more football games, parties or trips to the mall with friends. We also as a society and maybe some of you as parents need to stop babying these grils once they are pregnant. Force them to get a job and support her and her child. She wanted to be grown and open her legs be fore her time, then she can be grown and get a job. We are glorifing this too much and it makes me sick to think that we are having baby showers and parties when they are still in high school and pregnant. THIS ISNT RIGHT...

          • Posted By: Dave in NM @ 12/08/2007 12:54:45 AM

            You're right - much better to make it clear to the mother and child that they're worthless, second-class citizens. Much more likely to assure that they're productive members of society...

      • Posted By: Isabo @ 12/06/2007 7:53:46 PM

        dckitty7 - While your neice's pregnancy may not have come at a convenient time, I think it is wonderful that her motherhood and the birth of her child was supported by her real family (not to include you in that). Your niece will not be a teenage mother for long, but she will always be that child's mother. Thank goodness that she has the support of loving members of her family. It is unfortunate that you are so narrow minded and worried about what is tacky. Too bad she didn't give her baby away to infertile needy strangers, huh? Best to sacrifice your neice's motherhood and her eternal piece of mind so that you don't have to put up with tacky immodesty in your family. God help us - a bastard was born into the family!!!! Thank God that society has grown past the likes of you.

  • Posted By: t2tim @ 12/06/2007 4:38:40 PM

    I have talked to teen girls regarding why they become pregnant. Their answer are these: I was curious, I just wanted a baby, everybody is doing it, With at lease twenty five birth control method on the market for female out of wedlock birth makes no sense. What teens tells me is they wanted someone to love them and this makes sense to me since parents do not have time for children. It is not about abstinence only but teaching and setting good example for your children. We keep giving things, when we should be giving time..

    • Posted By: dckitty7 @ 12/06/2007 5:04:33 PM

      I really don't care why as long as they don't become a burden to society. Maybe we should be emphasizing adoption to those who can't handle becoming teen mothers. My 17 year old just had a child and my sister's reaction when I brought up adoption was that "she" didn't want her grandchild given up. In general, we are all too selfish when it comes to these children. The teen is selfish when they can't give the baby up, because it will hurt too bad and the grandparents are selfish when they feel the same.

      • Posted By: Isabo @ 12/06/2007 7:59:43 PM

        Enter Your Commentdckitty - do you even know the facts about adoption these days? This country is giving $10,000 tax CREDITS to people who adopt infants - babies fresh from the womb of naive teenagers. Wouldn't it be better to give the money to the mothers of these babies than to give it to would be adopters? Make no mistake - we are giving the money to somebody. Why not give it to the real mothers of these children so that they can keep their children. Have you ever heard the phrase it takes a village to raise a child? Support doesn't just mean money. It means emotional support and encouragement to take the hard road - to keep families intact rather than destroying in order to save face and fill the empty arms of needy infertile people. These pregnant teens are mothers, whether you like it or not, and as a society we need to educate them and help them be the best parents they can be. Forcing them to give up their children only condems them to a life of loss and grief. Losing your child is the worst thing that can happen to a parent. Why would you wish that on your neice or any mother, for the sake of what is proper? I suggest you get your attitude out of the dark ages.

        • Posted By: AlexD @ 12/07/2007 11:53:29 AM

          have you ever heard of welfare???? that is where you tax money goes when you pay your taxes. to either lazy or teenage mothers who ask for child support and welfre. thats where billions of american dollars go every day. You are naive. I would rather have women who cant have children have the money to have a child than a women or teen who is sick and unreposnisble to have a child in this world and give up her future. The best thins a single teenage mother can do is give the child up for adoption. A child canot take care of a child so why dont you give hher/ him to a family who has the money and time and needs to give that child, instead of wasting my damn tax money on lazy mother who dont work or teens who relentlessly get pregnant and have child after child. YOU ARE PATHETIC.

          • Posted By: Dave in NM @ 12/08/2007 12:50:41 AM

            So that's a "yes" on comprehensive sex education, then?

      • Posted By: Winter360 @ 12/06/2007 7:50:55 PM

        Babies aren't a burden to society, they're society's future. Bitter old ladies with cats are a burden on society. And your neice's baby may well be the one changing your sheets and bringing you cat litter when you're an elderly shut-in, so you should probably make nice - because suggesting unsolicited to anyone that they ought to give away their grandbabies is rude beyond what any average person would tolerate. Adoption is no magical solution, it's flawed. And adpotive parents aren't perfect, they're just like the rest of us. To give away an infant because he or she is inconvenient when that baby's family can find a way to make the situation work isn't something I could personally stomach. And suggesting that people who fiercely want to maintain family relationships with their own flesh and blood are just selfish makes me hope you have no children of your own. That kin you scorn so much might be well advised to distance themselves from your venom.

        • Posted By: Isabo @ 12/06/2007 9:13:17 PM

          Excellent post Winter360! Thank you for stating your thoughts so perfectly.

          • Posted By: AlexD @ 12/07/2007 11:57:23 AM

            WHEN PEOPLE HAVE TO PAY TAXES FOR WELFARE AND MOTHERS AND FATHERS HAVE TO CONSISTANLY PAY FOR MEDICAL BILLS AND BABY FOOD AND WHAT NOT TO THE TEEN MOTHER.....GUESS WHAT HUNNY, THEY ARE A BURDEN, THEY ARE A FINANCIAL BURDEN AND A SELF PERSON WHO DO NOT THINK OF THE CONSEQUENCES OF HAVING A CHILD. MAKE THEM WORK, MAKE THEM PAY THIER BILLS AND MAKE THEM TAKE CARE OF THIER OWN CHILD. ITS CALLED TOUGH LOVE IT IS NOT COOL TO BE 17 AND PREGNANT. ALL OF YOU COMMENTERS THAT SUPPORT THIS IS JSUT AS BAD AS THE TEEN MOTHERS...HEY PARENTS, SEND YOUR TEEN MOTHERS TO PEOPLE IN THIS FORUM AND LET THEM TAKE CARE OF THEM SINCE THEY ARE SOO "SUPPORTIVE".

            • Posted By: CorbinB2 @ 12/07/2007 3:00:50 PM

              So Alex....I take it this means you are in favor of abortion then?....lol

              I hope so with statements like that. The truth is people of all ages make mistakes and if other people choose to support them that can only be good for everyone involved including and most importantly the baby. I wonder how many of our great leaders past and present came from single mothers? Now wouldn't that be an interesting statistic?

  • Posted By: lookingforward @ 12/06/2007 2:00:10 PM

    I became a teenage mother at 17. It was hard being a teenage mother, but it did not hold me back from my dreams. I earned my Bachelor's Degree and will begin my Masters program shortly and I have consistenly moved up in my career. A teenage girl can have a baby and still be successful. It is up to the teenager/young adult to make those decisions and stay on track with the dream. Pregnant teens do no have enough support within society. The boys who get these girls pregnant also need to be held responsible and erase the stigma of the teenage parent. These girls did not get themselves pregnant. I personally take offense to the recent commercials demonstrating that girls who get pregnant at a young age will not become successful. These types of messages drag the teenage girl down and places a negative barrier on her. After I obtain my Masters Degree I intend to work with pregnant teens and the boys who got these girls pregnant.

    • Posted By: dckitty7 @ 12/06/2007 4:44:02 PM

      Why do people like you think society has an obligation/responsibility to "support" you? Society wasn't there when you laid down.

      • Posted By: Isabo @ 12/06/2007 9:20:23 PM

        Enter Your Comment Wow dckitty ... thank you for showing us your true colors. "Society wasn't there when you laid down." Enough said about you.

        • Posted By: AlexD @ 12/07/2007 12:04:18 PM

          You sound like a whore.....Dckitty is correct, societyw asnt there wastching as you laid down and spread your legs. If you know as a young women that you cn give birth to a chld at almost any age, which i think some girls forget, then you wouldnt be laying down having sex when you wasnt supposed to. Maybe we need to remind youg females ages 12-19 that you can have kids when you have sex. because it seems as though they have forgotten.

          • Posted By: Dave in NM @ 12/07/2007 8:32:19 PM

            Gee, Alex - sounds like you're advocating comprehensive sex education! And expanded English classes!

      • Posted By: Dave in NM @ 12/06/2007 7:46:25 PM

        I didn't take her statement as saying society has to pay anyone's way (quite the contrary) - I took it to mean society shouldn't penalize teenage mothers for what some believe to have been poor judgment or, worse, "immoral."

    • Posted By: Kidnap @ 12/06/2007 7:32:52 PM

      I would love to hear more about the path you took to success. I think you're great!!!

  • Posted By: Momsaver @ 12/06/2007 10:08:41 PM

    1# cut attuidue of body minds off from tv!!!!!! 2 # Watch who can allow kids hang out with soicalize or not by attuidudes. 3# Keep kids at home more often. 4# Talk with kids more open to grow trust and closed.

    • Posted By: bookwoman @ 12/07/2007 4:06:19 PM

      Who the what now? The English language is your friend, my dear.

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