When Adoption Goes Wrong

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  • Posted By: justdismayed @ 02/10/2008 9:45:10 PM

    I couldn't read all the way down. It was all too close to home and too painful. We adopted our girls (biological siblings) from Russia 11 years ago when they were 4 and 5. Their birthparents were alcoholics who had already lost their two older children from their neglect. The birthfather was also violent. I did all the research I could beforehand on fetal alcohol syndrome, fetal alcohol effects, RAD -- but 12 years ago during our adoption process there just wasn???t that much information. And I can???t blame our adoption agency because really, it???s only now that the first and second wave of Eastern Europe adopted kids are coming into adolescence and adulthood. How could they know what we were in for? But now I think so many of us parents DO know. I think there has to be more education for waiting parents. What I???ve come to believe is you simply CANNOT love a kid out of sociopathic and self destructive tendencies, especially if that???s their genetic predisposition. So many of us are in way over our heads. I wish there was a group for us. I simply do not see the possibility of my fairytale ending of loving children visiting me with their spouses and my adorable grandchildren. Quite the contrary. I???m counting the days until they???re 18 and hope that they???ll just leave on their own.

    • Posted By: janearound @ 04/08/2008 11:30:53 AM

      Thank you for your comments. Three weeks ago, my partner and I had a 6 year old FAS child placed with us for adoption in the fall. We have decided not to go ahead with this adoption. She is a beautiful, funny, confident child who has no conscience, no attachment to anyone, and I believe at this point she cannot possibly develop this. We were told she had attached to her foster parents, this is clearly not correct - she has not shown ANY interest in contacting them, looking at their pictures, etc. She has tantrums (rages) several times a day. She masturbates constantly. People have told us we cannot possibly send her back to the foster care system, and I agree, our home would be preferable for her, to a certain extent. But I can see what is in our future, as you have written it out, and frankly, I'm not able to survive it as you are. Good luck.

  • Posted By: flawedexistence @ 12/20/2007 11:43:07 PM

    There is nothing like 'parenting' a child who has attachment issues. My own bioligical child was much like Hilt's adopted Nina, and the frustrations were almost insurmountable. My husband and I were repeatedly blamed by professionals for causing our son's problems, regardless of what we did. It wasn't until his false report of abuse when we lived in Virginia, that we finally understood what was wrong and were vindicated. Oddly enough, it was Virginia DCS who led us to the correct diagnosis of Attachment Disorder. I understand Ms Hilt's pain. I don't know HOW I managed to NOT do what she did. The guilt I have always felt just for FEELING like I could beat my son to death is never ending. But for the grace of....I don't know. SOME higher power, It could have been me, too. My son has grown up--he's still a trial--but alive. Until you've been in Peggy Hilt's situation. don't judge her. Yes, killing is wrong, but the amount of support she would have gotten if she'd come forward with her child's problems may have been negligible. This isn't a widely known and supported issue in the mental health community. I should know. All of my college degrees are in Psychology......

    • Posted By: chippewa @ 12/20/2007 11:49:00 PM

      Reactive Attachment Disorder (according to the DSM IV) is the result of "pathogenic care". It would be highly unlikely for your biological child to develop a full blown attachment disorder, unless exposed to trauma at the hands of his caregivers or being passed from one caregiver to another. Autism spectrum disorders can also mimic "symptoms" of attachment problems.

      • Posted By: Olga_nyc @ 04/05/2008 1:59:05 AM

        The holy "DSM" also says that Antisocial Personality equals Psychopathy. It doesn't. Read: http://www.psychiatrictimes.com/display/article/10168/54831 . And I am a psych student. I think you can have an attachment disorder without being abused, it could even be Psychopathy. This is biological. Not the parent's fault

      • Posted By: munchkinmomx3 @ 12/21/2007 7:34:14 AM

        While the DSM does describe the cause of attachment disorder as "pathogenic care," that type of care can be because the child is hospitalized or the mother has post partum depression, to name just a couple of alternative causes.

  • Posted By: 1northernlight @ 02/18/2008 8:32:06 PM

    How can some of us who experienced this same hell help this poor woman? Please email me at 1northernlight@gmail.com.

  • Posted By: CandiV @ 01/30/2008 3:18:45 PM

    I feel bad for Peggy Hilt, when she needed support, no one was there for her. It's a hard situation that no one can understand unless you are living it. I hope more extreme education can be done before families adopt children. The risks have to be heard. I know from experience!

  • Posted By: concernedPsyD @ 12/27/2007 11:47:17 AM

    google basket hold +death and see the reports of children who have died during a basket hold - this is not a safe technique to be describing in a layperson's magazine, Newsweek should reconsider putting that kind of information out to the general public...

    • Posted By: FoxC @ 01/13/2008 7:26:31 AM

      Hummmmm............thanks

  • Posted By: peganwench @ 12/17/2007 7:04:36 AM

    Not to be the bearer of bad news Abdulmumin....GET A CLUE DUMBASS!!! There are people who can NOT have chilren of thier own! HELLO!!! Thats why a great many adoptions take place!!! There are many chiuldren in this world who need a family and DO appreiciate what they have been given by thier new family and grow to be wonderful adults thanks to that new chance at life! This story is tragic and unfortunate yes, but it is not the norm! My main issue is with the fact so many adopt out of this counrty when we have millions of chilren HERE that need homes with a loving family! WHy do so many go out of the US to adopt? And that has NOTHING to do with race I assure you! ONly hte fact we have so many homeless kids here that need families why go elsewhere?! Help the children here first and when they all have homes, then look overseas!!!

    • Posted By: lindalu @ 12/17/2007 10:15:30 AM

      In the US they do not put their children up for adoption they abort them..Then by the time a child goes thru the system he or she have had serious issues and it is not easy to parent these children.

      • Posted By: Mom2six @ 12/17/2007 11:16:17 AM

        This is not always the case. I have adopted from the foster care system, and know many that have. My child is as secure as he can possibly be. He has negative behaviors at times, but don't we all?

        • Posted By: peganwench @ 01/11/2008 8:05:47 AM

          Negative behaviours at times...dont we all? WELL...yes we all have our issues I suppose, YET, as the mother of a boy who is in an institution at the momment after he tried to kill us...(we are the only ones who have ever stood up for him an dgiven him true love)...that would have to be a major understatment huny! If what you say about your child is correct...then more power to you!!! You are a lucky one! I have two grown kids and one teen plus the 13 yr old I adopted a years ago from the foster system which we got in only to get HIM. H eis a charmer and very bright, we fell in love with him before we knew just what his issues were and now we are paying for that dearly. The attny actually asked us after placing him in the facility if we wanrted to reverse the adoption due to the high risks to our family members...we said "absolutely not! We are the first people in his life who ever stood up for him, stood by him an did not throw him away after he became agressive and had a meltdown. If we can not stick by him now and still love him no matter what, who the Hell will?! He has no one else and has blow ALL the foster families in a three county area. We truely are his last hope and I will be damned if I am gonna give up on him now! We will stick this out and show him what true family and love is all about! He has to know that he has someone who cares for him no matter what he does." and as hard as that is right now...we intend to follow through with it as long as we need to for him to get help. He has great potential, if he can get a grip on his anger (which is towards his Bio-mom...BTW) We simply can no tgive up on him!!! he met his match with us, we will not back down from a fight and are not gonna give up on him. Period!

      • Posted By: peganwench @ 01/11/2008 7:55:08 AM

        Unfortunatly many do choose the abortion route! Sad but true! HOWEVER, many more do not and many others have the child only to turn around and abuse it for one reason or another! Thats why the children in the system are fo F@$#ed up!!! They have lived throguh Hell and been treated like ***, they have not been bonded with a motherly figure or taught the most basic of social skills. They act out cuz at the BIO home, that was what got them the attnetion they wanted, not that they wanted bad but that was all they could get so they accepted it as what must be normanl sinc ehtey do not have an opportunity to know any better, they assum eeveryone lives that way! Then those of us who do have the courage and balls to try to give one of them a home and family forever who will treat them as they shoul dhave been treated all thier lives, are left to pick up the pieces nad try to giv ethem the skills to be productive adults in society one day..if we are lucky and give them everything we can to hopefully counter act some of the BS they have been through! Love, patience and support can go a long way in helping these kids, however it sometimes is not enough! But we have to try everything we can to give them ever the slightest chance and hope for a future with out prison or worse!!!

    • Posted By: bigmel @ 12/17/2007 8:15:40 AM

      People go out of country to adopt because U.S. adoptions can be reversed if the birth parents want to regain custody. I have 10 year old twins from Russia who are an absolute joy (most of the time).

  • Posted By: firiel_555 @ 12/17/2007 9:47:52 PM

    As an adult adoptee I know that there are a lot of people out there with the idea that adoption is just all warm and fuzzy. It is not!! I have suffered from depression since I was a young child and to this day I often find myself crying because I know that my adoptive parents love, but they never wanted me. I was their second choice, they wanted have their own "real child". I also miss my natural mother so very much. Adoption is cruel.

    • Posted By: Jenniedot1 @ 12/20/2007 9:42:18 AM

      What a crock. Upset because you were adopted by loving parents. I would take being second choice over nothing anyday. My brother and I were adopted when I was 3 and he was 2 by a great family, who of course couldn't have kids. I have recently reconnected with my birth family and can only say that being adopted was the biggest blessing. I have 3 sisters who have no education, all started having kids at 15/16, one is a druggie. They had a hard life of never having enough food, medical care, clean clothes, clean and safe place to live. Yet they were their parents "First choice". Second chouice does not diminish how a parent feels in most cases. Idiot, being depressed over getting a chance thousands of kids waiting in Foster Care or even with their unfit parents would love to have. I say that as I sit here with my college education, nice house, nice car and a great paying job. Thank God I was second choice!

      • Posted By: peganwench @ 01/11/2008 7:38:00 AM

        I agree with you hun! Howevr, unfortunatly many kids in the situation do not comprehend that what they have is a new lease on life and a new begining and they can not act appropriatly as such! It is called RAD-reactive attatchemnt disorder...if they were not nurtured properly as infants and small ones, they can not give or accept affextion and love properly as they grow older. It is a very sad situationa nd they have a long hard struggle ahead of them to ever hope to bond with people IF they ever can!!! I am the adpoptive mother of a boy now 13 who has this as wel as ODD-opossitional defiance disorder. We have our hands full and after repeated attacks on me and my other son, he tryed to blow the house up...therefore we had no choice but to place him in a residential facility! That was the hardest thing in my life I have ever had to do!!! Yet...I had to protect the safety and wellfair of the others in the family unit! We became foster/adoptive patents just to get this child after we met and fell in love with him, through our youngest son's scouts. We learned of his situation and wanted to give him a family of his own, forever!!! In return for that...we have had two years of vertual Hell and now, as I said he is institutionalized with what looks to be a long trem stay until he can get a grip on his agressive behaviours! I took this child as my own and have fought for him in more ways that imaginable, including standing up to the juge when I did not agree with her! Yet, there is nothing that can be done to "make" him appreciate the sacrafices we have made and continue to make for him! Only when he is ready will it all be worth it in the end hopefully. All we want is to give him the best chance possible for a normal life one day! If in the end he also thanks us and can truely love us...awsome! If not, at least we know WE stood up and helped him when no one else would do so!!! We are scared to death he is going to be in a placement or worse for most of his life if we do not do everythign in our power for him now! What else can we do? We have to try! No one else gives a rats a$$ about him in this world!!!

  • Posted By: RADMom @ 01/10/2008 8:56:03 PM

    Couldn't get all of it in, so please read the last one too.

    My oldest daughter is an absolute model child. I can't tell you how many people have asked me how I raised her to be such a sweetheart, great student, easygoing kid. I am a good parent. But you cannot effectively parent children who do not want parents. They want their own mother and father. Since their mom is deceased and father is in prison, that's not possible, but it is what they want. At this point, my hope is to raise them to adulthood with the hope that they will one day understand some of what we tried to teach them and live reasonably productive lives in which they don't rob, kill or maim anyone or abuse their own children. I'm doing the best I can. But I can certainly sympathize with Hicks experience. By God's grace, I have a support system and when I feel as frustrated as she did, which happens at least every other day, I have people who I can lean on. Hicks did what any other human would have done who had no support and who was understood by no one. Until you have lived with a RADish, you have no earthly idea what it is like. It is more difficult and painful and takes you way past the breaking point of any human being. And it does this day after day after day. Have some sympathy before you start throwing the poop out of your own diaper at people living with this every day. Clearly, Hicks feels abhorrent of what she's done, does she really need more condemnation. Live with a RAD child for a while, and then live with yourself, and then see whether you still have it in you to poop slin

  • Posted By: RADMom @ 01/10/2008 8:55:25 PM

    A friend told me of this aritcle and so I read. I'm a mom of two adopted RAD kids. They were 7 and 8 when they came to me and, as others have noted, no one told me even half of their issues. Certainly, no one mentioned RAD, not that I would have understood because it wasn't a part of my training. When I first discovered their diagnosis, I read all I could on how to help them. I had such hope that we'd be able to help them. I remember reading that one of the symtoms of RAD kids is that they have angry and hostile moms. I knew that wasn't true of me, but the rest of the symptoms fit. Now almost five years later, I understand all too well what it means to be an angry and hostile mom. Don't get me wrong, I'm not this way by nature and I'm not this way with my oldest daughter, who isn't RAD. People who know me describe me as bubbly, friendly and a born leader. But......having lived with 2 RAD children for that length of time has taken a great toll. No, I haven't started drinking, but I have gained about 80lbs from all the emotional eating I've done. Living with children who have RAD means the following: you are living with people who hate your guts, completely, they would like to see you dead, they will plot how to kill you and your family, they will never appreciate anything you or anyone else does for them, this is especially true if they have another RAD sibling who helps them relive their prior horrors every day, you have to watch your children every moment of every day to keep them from hurting themselves or others, literally. Other people will NEVER understand why you complain because your con artist children will behave like perfect angels around others. The things they do are very difficult to detect, because they are expert cons. Your life will be a living hell and you will feel like a complete failure as a parent.

  • Posted By: asexycreation @ 01/06/2008 4:31:29 AM

    no adopted parent will ever be a childs parent they are suppost to give them a good home and raise them do not try to be the parent because you cant you do not have the smell or touch of there parent and should just be providing a safe home for the child and help them be a good adult..and know right from wrong and they should know who there real parent is to and you explain to them that their parent was sick or under eduacated and was unable to care for them do not try to be their parent because you will never replace that even if you try..

  • Posted By: asexycreation @ 01/06/2008 4:05:22 AM

    I dont think kids should be adopted i think we need to show the under educated one how to do it and all kids should stay with there natural parents and we should help them because some people are bad people and could be foster parents and not know it And it mentally damages some kids who are adopted. There could be medical problems that are never addressed bc the adopted poepple do not know of...And it is just morally wrong and the kids should stay with the parents and we should have more resource to help..Only if the parent dies or goes to jail for life. We give up on our poeple so quick and fair to teach them rather than label them.........What kind of world is this..........................................................We have foriegn people coming over here that are foster parents and have no clue how to raise our kids my brother is in this situation and its a very sad world we live in.....................

  • Posted By: FaerieKisses101201 @ 01/05/2008 11:17:26 PM

    str8, first of all she wasn't an alcoholic, the stress of not knowing how to handle the situation she was in led her to drinking. Second, she isn't crazed and she isn't a sociopath, she is just a woman who got into a situation that was beyond her capabilities of handling and lost it. How do you know how you would react in that situation unless you have lived it? I want to clarify myself and state that I DO NOT agree in any way with what she did, but I can understand what happened. I went thru a bad bout of post-partum depression after I had my daughter, and believe me, that was the absolute HARDEST thing I have ever had to deal with. I could not connect with her on an emotional level, I just felt like I was babysitting and the mother would not come get her child. Don't get me wrong, I love my daughter to death and can't imagine life without her, but it took a VERY long time to get that attachment to her. I was 22 when I had her and I thank God every day that I knew when I had reached my limit and I also thank my family for being there for me so that I had a safe place to take her when I felt I was going to hurt her. Not everyone has that and not everyone sees it coming like I did. Now, she is 6 yrs. old and we are just about inseperable. But I still remember how it felt and it scares me to think that if I hadn't had an out, I could see myself hurting her. I like to think that I would NEVER do that to a defenseless child, but when you are overwhelmed ANYTHING can happen. I feel sorry for Mrs. Hilt for not knowing what to do when she had enough. I pray for her and hope she can work thru her pain and pray to God and her child and ask their forgiveness for what she did. May God have mercy on her and forgive her her sins.

    In Love and Light,
    an understanding person

  • Posted By: Rundis @ 12/17/2007 9:56:11 PM

    The child was TWO!!! Ok - I have a two year old (NOT ADOPTED) and all 2 year olds act up. It is WHAT THEY DO! The woman Hilt was drinking. Now - Basic common known fact is that children are taken away from regular homes with Alchoholics. It is a shame that they did not get any sort of counciling with this adoption and that it resulted in this alchoholic mother adopting 2 children and worse yet killing one. This story is just horrible. The child is obviously going through a very hard adjustment and well. I think it is an absolute shame that this family did not have the love or patience. There should be more training to mothers and families out there. Not just adopted ones but woman and fathers in general. It pains me to hear about mothers leaving there kids in locked cars in the middle of summer or parents just plain being irresponsible for what they got themselves into. I cry for this child and all the others out there that have to endure the STUPIDITY of adults. Anyone with problems with there children should ultimately seek help. I have NO simpathy for this woman - Even in the childs death and brutal beating she talks about how terrible poor Nina was. FOR GOD SAKE the child was TWO!!!! Am I reaching anyone out there. Is it me or is this woman a NUT JOB! Nervous breakdown Alchoholic NUT. Rather than kill the child send her to another home that would love her and work with her abanandonment problems. DONT BEAT HER. Give her back and let someone else LOVE HER! I pray to god for this poor child!

    • Posted By: str8toes @ 01/05/2008 8:55:42 PM

      I agree with you 100%. I am so angry at what I am reading, both in the article and in these posts. This crazed, alcoholic, sociopath killed an INNOCENT 2 yr old child, still in diapers. This woman deserves the death penalty (and I don't even believe in the death penalty...) The fact that she has the nerve to try and mitigate her guilt by blaming the child's behavior is unbelievable. I am utterly disgusted. I pray that those of you who sympathize with Hilt do not have small children in your care....if you do, seek help - NOW! Any sane, loving, responsible parent would have treasured that beautiful little child. I understand that as a child matures, there are bigger issues to consider, but this 2 year old was not going to burn the house down or axe murder her parents anytime soon. With love and guidance, chances are she would have grown up to be a normal kid and productive adult. Hilts' selfish, impulsive, disgusting actions have deprived this child a life. I cannot conceive of anything more evil than killing a child.

    • Posted By: DarthBob_2005 @ 12/17/2007 10:11:22 PM

      Concerning this case, I can see your point. But this article does bring up RAD (Reactive Attachment Disorder), and this can happen in 7 year olds, 12 year olds, etc. (known from personal experience). When an 12 year old kid with RAD wants to kill you and the rest of your family, there is a serious problem. Yeah there's no excuse to kill the kid either, but parents should know about the mental disorders a kid might have too.

  • Posted By: MeeMeees @ 12/21/2007 1:45:14 PM

    I have to state my opinion on this. I actually know a few people that have done foreign adoption with problems stemming fromt he children that they adopted. However, what I do not understand is why Americans are more willing to adopt children outside of this country when there are so many children in Foster Care that need a loving home environment? I have a family memeber (cousin) in Foster Care that I am unable to adopt myself but needs a loving home and there just doesn't seem to be any one around that is willing to look in his direction. It seems that the older he gets the more the Social Services system looks at him as a ward of the State until he can be released onto the world as a semi-adult (I believe the age is 16 for emacipation). It bothers me to the extreme to know that so much foreign adoption takes place as a growing trend among the Celebrities and non-celebrities of this nation and no one looks to take on a child in need in our own backyards.

    I honestly do not expect a plausable answer for the questions/statements I have listed above...I just needed to state my opinon.

    • Posted By: heat21a @ 01/05/2008 6:36:57 PM

      Mee-Mees, As a person waiting to adopt internationally I can tell you why we would not adopt in the US. After the heartache of infertility and a long wait for a child, I could not bear to adopt a child then have them taken away after having them in the family. I know of cases in the US where someone adopted a child then a few years later the birth parents wanted them back...and got them back. I actually had an adoption agency tell me that it's best for a child to be with their bio parents and if the bio parents want them back after a few years, not to contest it. I understand there are child in the US that need families but when you adopt internationaly, that's it - parents can not get the children back. It's a done deal. I hope the best for these children, but until the US stiffens up their laws, we will not be adopting here. Not to mention I have respect for people who know their limitations of not being able to deal with emotional difficulties of adopting older children (not saying that is the case with all older children but they obviously experienced something bad to be in the situation) . Not saying you won't have problems with infants but it is lesslikely because they will be around a family during their early years. This is obviously a better alternative to abuse that has happened

    • Posted By: adoptionx3 @ 01/05/2008 7:35:30 AM

      There is a huge problem with children languishing in the foster care system in the US, much like your cousin! One problem is it is profitable for the foster care families and for the state the other is that so many people want an infant (less risks for baggage) and not a toddler or 6 or 7 year old. The older the child (either in domestic or international) the bigger the bag they drag with them! I have no idea how your cousin wound up in the system but neglect, abuse or something of that nature had to play into him winding up there somehow--many people are not equipped to take on a child with that kind of past history. You can probably help your cousin out by contacting CAP (Children Awaiting Placement) in New York, perhaps they can find him a loving home--their speciality is older children who have a "past."

  • Posted By: Acresoftrees @ 12/27/2007 2:06:06 PM

    As the parent of a Attachment Disordered (AD) child adopted from Russia, I believe I can speak with some confidence on the subject of parenting and will say that without the involvement of a licenced professional who specializes in AD, or has extensive experience with AD, the diagnosis and subsequent treatment may not address the phychological issues underlying the behavior (AD is not ADHD, or ADD should not be treated as such). If you have an adopted child who you even remotely susepct might have AD or phychological issues please seek professional assistance from a person who is specifically familiar with international adoption and the associated therapy requirements. The well-meaning posts here are good background, but do not fully address the incredible strain AD places on otherwise healthy, thriving families. To those of you who have not attempted to raise a child with AD here's my message to you: Walk a mile in my shoes and then (and only then) do you earn the right to comment on what you think is appropriate parenting technique.

    • Posted By: caroline @ 01/05/2008 10:54:07 AM

      Over the years, I have watched good friends who have provided an optimal environment - emotionally and financially - deal with attachment and related issues in two adopted daughters. Any parent struggling with a child with an attachment disorder must get competent psychological help - for themselves and the child. I believe nature has provided a developmental "window" for attachment in humans that occurs during the first 3 years of life. Anything that violates the infant's attachment needs (ranging from separation to severe neglect or abuse) thwarts this normal development. The lack of the capacity to bond, lack of trust etc in the child can be overcome - but only with extensive help.

  • Posted By: sarahope @ 01/05/2008 2:41:28 AM

    I'm a psychologist who works with autistic children and noticed that these adopted children have a lot in common with autistic ones. The symptoms are the same, but the causes are different. Autism is very genetic but obviously many of these orphans have simply suffered from a lack of adequate affection in their early years. I wonder if Applied Behavioral Analysis would work for these children too, as it does with autistics.

  • Posted By: rtalley @ 01/04/2008 10:51:26 AM

    It seems that the comment from "memo" below only perpetuates a long-lasting conspiracy theory (re: mercury causing autism). Hearsay and innuendoes are a poor, poor substitute for scientific fact. People who do not vaccinate their children - or, even worse, harrange others into not vaccinating their children - are fools.

  • Posted By: helcha @ 01/04/2008 10:51:22 AM

    I am contemplating domestic vs. international adoption and one of the factors that I am weighing is: no matter how many children are orphaned in the US, the orphans abroad will fare much worse in life. Here in the US, we have a national system of child care and fostering homes, with federal support for the children until they are in their 20s. A orphaned girl in China might never have the opportunity to go to school or get out of an orphanage let alone live in foster homes.

  • Posted By: helcha @ 01/04/2008 10:50:45 AM

    I am contemplating domestic vs. international adoption and one of the factors that I am weighing is: no matter how many children are orphaned in the US, the orphans abroad will fare much worse in life. Here in the US, we have a national system of child care and fostering homes, with federal support for the children until they are in their 20s. A orphaned girl in China might never have the opportunity to go to school or get out of an orphanage let alone live in foster homes.

  • Posted By: memo @ 01/02/2008 1:41:45 PM

    Has anyone pondered the notion that the Mercury in vaccines causes Autism and RAD.
    The child in this story sounds exactly like my vaccine damaged Mercury toxic BIOLOGICAL son.

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