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  • Posted By: eddiewhere @ 12/09/2007 9:40:57 PM

    Nick Romney is in trouble. Mormons scare other Christian sects. The reason is that their faith is not inclusive. Mormons are like fundamentalist. They are fundamentalist. A mormon Presidents would be as polarizing as a Jewish President. That would be the best analogy. Bloodlines are very improtant in American society, they determine which Fraternity you belong too. GORE, KENNEDY,BUSH, KERRY all come from powerful fraternities. Bill Clinton is probablly the only President in history that did not come from the "traditional fraternity" he was able to play his way in. There are 13 Bloodlines or fraternities that dominate the United States. Nick Romney would be the first Mormon from this exclusive fraternity(13 Bloodlines) to be President. This is why he gave his speech in Houston under the guidance of the "establishment". Huckabee is baptist preacher, there is no way a Mormon can compete with that. So they have to play dirty. Remember what Bush did to Dukakis(Willie Horton). They have started on Huckabee(Parole issue). However Nick Romney has to play dirty to win now.

    • Posted By: eubankk @ 12/10/2007 1:38:48 AM

      Nick Romney?? There is no Nick Romney running. As for the 13 bloodlines drivel that has to be the no asinine thing I have ever seen on one of these boards....and that's says a lot!!

  • Posted By: willy44 @ 12/10/2007 1:34:37 AM

    The Bible teaches us that the beginning of wisdom comes to a man when begins to really fear God. I think that this is a bood beginning for a President of the United States. Mike Huckabee might be more likely to treat the creation the way God intended, with great respect. A Huckabee presidency, a highly unlikely occurance might also bring a time when we treat all our neighbors a bit better. I hope so.
    Steve
    Borden Indiana

  • Posted By: bospap @ 12/09/2007 3:12:31 PM

    Thank you vox populi! Separation of Church and State is not something that was originally intended but rather something that has inaccurately been read into the constitution after the fact. The constitution provides for freedom OFreligion, not freedom FROM religion. Religion is still being persecuted now. Look at how many places will not allow prayer, or allow schools to use the Bible in literature. There are many, many more examples. Not all the founding fathers were of Christian faith. But they wanted people to be free to worship as they chose. They expected religion to be an integral part of daily life. There are some limits to that tolerance though. I do not get offended if someone from a different religion prays or worships in public. But when the other religion believes the only way to save me is to convert me to their belief or kill me then I have a serious problem with the expression of that religion. People should be free to express their religion only to the extent it does not interfere with the safety or well-being of others.

    • Posted By: eubankk @ 12/10/2007 1:29:55 AM

      The problem I have with that statement and the christian religion is that they DON'T leave me alone and are constantly stating that they are prying for me and want me to convert to their religion and way of thinking. I don't know (nor do you) that they Founding Fathers expected religion to be a part of our daily lives. Freedom OF religion CAN be freedom FROM religion for some of us. We don't need a great mystical father figure in the sky being part of our lives. When you begin mixing government and religion you are treading on some very dangerous ground.

  • Posted By: willy44 @ 12/10/2007 1:29:50 AM

    Personally I have no doubt that Mike feels he is in God's hands. I think that is a good thing. The Bible teaches us that the beginning of wisdow is to learn to fear God. The man who serves as President of the United States should be in fear of God at all times. If he were maybe we might take better care of His creation and be a bit kinder to our neighbors.
    Steve Williams
    Borden Indiana

  • Posted By: Boulder Sue @ 12/09/2007 2:55:06 PM

    I don't want to be preached to everytime I see a presidential news conference or State of the Union Address. I can go to church for that, and it's my own business whether I do or not., and if God chooses to speak to me, well.... I doubt that will happen. But the person who wrote about Andrea Yates is correct.. God"spoke" to her too. I for one, want nothing more to do with presidents who get their advice "from a higher power" or hear from "above". Adhering to the hopes and ideals of our Founding Fathers (Check the Jefferson Bible) and the the kindnesses and love that Jesus preached (Check the Beatitudes) is one thing, but this direct line to God stuff would be truly alien to the Founders. As far as Jesus is concerned it's valid only to those of the Christian faith, and believe me, you can love Jesus, Ghandi, the Dalai Lama, etc without being a "beliver" in the traditional sense. I want my next president to figure out our problems as a country and try to solve them, not tell us that we are some sort of chosen people. In other words, Huckabee, nor Bush, nor Romney, nor any of them, Republican or Democrat, is Moses coming down from the mountain with a new covenant or Jesus preaching from the Mount.

    • Posted By: wildcatsarah @ 12/09/2007 5:51:24 PM

      Boulder Sue....first of all, I am praying for all of you who are so openly bashing God's purposes and ways, and denying Jesus as the Lord and Savior so blatantly. I hope that God does speak to you and change your hearts to a place of repentance. God have mercy on your souls. The Bible says to love our enemies, forgive those who have trespassed against us (wronged us), and to love one another as ourselves. If you all are looking for a happier life, or a more secure way to live, it is right in the center of God's will. As a Christian, I am testing Huckabee's statements and platform against the truth of the Holy Word of the Bible. As for saying Andrea Yates said that God told her to kill her children, if she had tested that voice against the Word of God, she would have known that any command that comes from God is in line with the scripture of the Bible and would never go against any of the commandment laid forth in the Bible. Killing your children goes against the commandment "Thou Shalt Not Kill" and if you don't know the Ten Commandments, you can google it or go to biblegateway.com and search for them. Jesus loves all of you and he is waiting patiently for the time when you will give up your wicked ways and turn your eyes to him. God does speak to his people, and I will be praying for confirmation that he is speaking to Rev. Mike Huckabee. God can certainly place leaders in power, and has done so all throughout history. However, Satan controls the world today, and he can also have great influence over who is in power. Anyone who denies the Word of God and Jesus as the Son of God is against God and will not have eternal life, he is against God and is doing the work of Satan under the precepts of sinful living. Of what I have read, Huckabee has not contradicted the Bible in his statements of faith, and his prior mistakes are mistakes that every person can make when they are tempted by the Devil and caused to sin. If he asked God for forgiveness and repented, God certainly can not only endorse his candidacy, but guide it to victory over his opponents. God has overcome the world through the life, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. He can win victory in a mere political campaign as well. God bless you all, and I pray that God's reveals your need for a savior to each and every one of you so you can join me in eternal life.

      • Posted By: eubankk @ 12/10/2007 1:24:32 AM

        wildcatsarah - You can believe in god, satan, santa claus, or the tooth fairy and it is no business of mine or anyone else's. However, when a person who wants to be the leader of my country starts saying that god is in his corner it DOES become my business! we already have a "leader" who feels that he receives instruction from on high and it has brought nothing but misery and death. I know of few people who are as bigoted and prejudiced against others as are the good "christians" that I know. They hate gays, muslims, wiccans, and any other belief/lifestyle that they disapprove of and then have the unmitigated gall to say that they are praying that those same people accept Jesus into their hearts so they can have eternal life. I would rather not spend all of eternity with people who are so narrow minded and judgemental . Plese do not pray to your god for me as I have no need for anyone asking a mythical figure to save my soul. I would be just as well off with Zues or Odin as I am with Jesus Christ or your god.

  • Posted By: kidred @ 12/09/2007 12:25:58 PM

    Zeus please no religious freaks as President. Have your faith, your misguided beliefs, fine. Just keep them out of my house and out of polices that affect me and my family. What does running a town, governing citizens, passing laws and deciding foreign policy have to do with a fictional god!?!? It's about morals, honesty, intelligence and common sense for the collective good not belief in a higher power. Wow, scary thought.

    • Posted By: eubankk @ 12/10/2007 1:14:23 AM

      Outstanding kindred!

    • Posted By: pinkpanther87413 @ 12/09/2007 12:33:05 PM

      well put very well put

  • Posted By: Cutlass84 @ 12/10/2007 12:50:19 AM

    This article has the simple purpose of slowing Huckabee's campaign down instead of reporting facts to the people. Show me something that does not hint of bias toward a liberal media's agenda. I am capable of forming my own opinions of a candidate without a piece of writing telling me how I should think.

  • Posted By: MoniQueMoniCat @ 12/09/2007 11:48:33 PM

    And trust me, if Romney were to win the GOP, how long do you think it would be before the dems expose this little unknown fact? Why, we'd see depictions of Romney wearing white sheets burning crosses before you know it. And based on what I read in the Book of Mormon, rightly so.

    And Hillary would wipe up the floor with him.

    The only candidate that can win against Hillary is Mike Huckabee.

    And trust me, if Romney were to win the GOP, how long do you think it would be before the dems expose this little unknown truth? Why, we'd see depictions of Romney wearing white sheets burning crosses before you know it. And based on those scriptures I read in the in the Book of Mormon, rightly so.

    Now, if Romney were to denounce that book, it would be different

  • Posted By: rayfinn @ 12/09/2007 11:48:00 PM

    eddiewhere
    How can anyone give any credibility to your post about 13 bloodlines. First of all there is no "Nick" Romney running for president. If you cannot get a candidate right by name, even a fifth grader can look that up easily enough. Now what you are posting looks like a ranting lunatic rave, all scare and zero substance. I have posted about the parole issue and not the Dumond case. Anyone is entitled to make a mistake. Huckabee gave out more commutations and paroles this year (137) than his three predecessors combined. I prefer to deal in facts that can be substantiated ( http://www.arkansasleader.com/frontstories/st_08_11_04/huckabee8.html ) rather that trust an undocumented rumor about a mutilated name of a candidate. It has all the appearance of a cheap carnival trick designed to pander to religious bigots. The Huckster cannot hold a candle to my first choice, Newt Gingtich. I hope Newt is someone's VP.

  • Posted By: rayfinn @ 12/09/2007 11:28:45 PM

    Comment: Look how freely Mike issues pardons and paroles compared to states around Arkansas. When you factor in that is for 1/20 as many people it equates to Louisiana ??? 213.,Mississippi ??? 24.,Missouri ??? 79,Oklahoma ??? 178.Tennessee ??? 32Texas--98 =624 Huckabee 703 and by a factor of 20 brings it to 14,060 to 624 for six other geographically similar states. Let's just forgive everyone and uncrowd or jails. Chuck Norris will keep them from murdering and raping again!!

    Governors seldom reduce sentences in other states ??? and almost never for murderers serving life without parole or for rapists or for habitual drunk drivers, while in Arkansas it's a regular habit with Huckabee.
    ___ Other governors use their clemency power only rarely, while Huckabee has made it routine. As we've told you before, he has issued more than 700 pardons and commutations during his eight years in office ??? more than 137 this year alone ??? and more than his three predecessors combined.
    ___ Here are the figures for neighboring states since 1996, when Huckabee took office (and keep in mind the population of these states is nearly 20 times ours):
    ___ >> Louisiana ??? 213.
    ___ >> Mississippi ??? 24.
    ___ >> Missouri ??? 79.
    ___ >> Oklahoma ??? 178.
    ___ >> Tennessee ??? 32.
    ___ >> Texas ??? 98 (in-cludes 36 inmates released because they were convicted on drug charges with planted evidence).
    ___ Total: 624 vs. Huckabee's 703.
    ___ Governors in neighboring states almost never grant killers clemency, while Huckabee has commuted the sentences of a dozen murderers.

  • Posted By: Cutlass84 @ 12/09/2007 7:43:59 PM

    This article has the simple purpose of slowing Huckabee's campaign down instead of reporting facts to the people. Show me something that does not hint of bias toward a liberal media's agenda. I am capable of forming my own opinions of a candidate without a piece of writing telling me how I should think.

  • Posted By: www.politicsandchristianity.com @ 12/09/2007 6:15:03 PM

    The citizens of America have been waiting for someone to play the role of the Roman Tribune and have found him in Mike Huckabee.

    Kevin Stilley
    www.politicsandchristianity.com

  • Posted By: 2SHEA @ 12/09/2007 5:15:33 PM

    I refuse to vote for a candidate who uses religion like a crowbar to pry votes from sympathetic followers. Huckster is using his "pastoral" abilities to convince religious zealots that he can "save" America based on his powers of ministration. Is that the same personal religious parameters he used to release several hundred convicts from prison ? Upon his release by Huckster, one of them committed another murder. Huckster has also indicated that he is committed to "staying the course" in Iraq and by all accounts, that could be indefinitely! None of the candidates seem to regard the safety of our citizens or the lives of our soldiers as worth preserving except one. And the MSM hardly ever mentions his name........Ron Paul

  • Posted By: Enkidu @ 12/09/2007 5:15:20 PM

    Huckabee stated in a recent debate that when asked if he believed in evolution, (he does not) he thought he was being asked if there is a God. He has also stated that he does not know if the Earth is older than 10,000 years.

    In other words, he is a Young Earth Creationist that believes human beings rode on the backs of dinosaurs like we saw in the Flintstones.

    Scientists like myself have a word to describe people like this: ???crazy???.

    Anyone who confuses the Flintstones with a documentary is not fit to have nuclear launch codes.

    He is now claiming that God has intervened in our election on his behalf (endorsed by God?). Please don???t let his genital description of his faith hide its radicalism.

  • Posted By: Enkidu @ 12/09/2007 5:14:10 PM

    Huckabee stated in a recent debate that when asked if he believed in evolution, (he does not) he thought he was being asked if there is a God. He has also stated that he does not know if the Earth is older than 10,000 years.

    In other words, he is a Young Earth Creationist that believes human beings rode on the backs of dinosaurs like we saw in the Flintstones.

    Scientists like myself have a word to describe people like this: ???crazy???.

    Anyone who confuses the Flintstones with a documentary is not fit to have nuclear launch codes.

    He is now claiming that God has intervened in our election on his behalf (endorsed by God?). Please don???t let his genital description of his faith hide its radicalism.

  • Posted By: Boulder Sue @ 12/09/2007 4:46:27 PM

    JDAM, you are right on. Even though I am a Liberal Democrat, I was taken in by Huckabee's char. I figured he was an honest, sincere man with whose politics I did not agree. Even when I heard about the rapist he allowed be released, well, the wisest of us can make a mistake. But his answers re: romney's Mormonism started bothering me. Then when I read about him wanting to quarantine AIDS patients, I knew I had really misjudged the guy. Jesus was not afraid to be around lepers in a day whe leprosy was thought to be highly contagious. I wonder if Huckabee got to that part of the Bible...

  • Posted By: JDAM @ 12/09/2007 4:20:06 PM

    I'm a pretty hard-line, but non-religious conservative. I must confess that I liked Mike Huckabee from the very first time I saw him speak, in the first Republican so-called debate. He is one of the most charming and disarming people I have ever heard and seen. This is what precisely frightens me about him. He is so charismatic that most people are not willing to put his pronouncements to any kind of logical test. If they would, a lot of his proposals would fail miserably.

    Mike Huckabee is like the "Scrooch Owl" characterization that Huey Long used to define Franklin D. Roosevelt. Long was disinguishing the difference between a "Hoot Owl" as a common politician and a "Scrooch" Owl, which he claimed Roosevelt was. The former swooped in on the perch, knocked the hen off the perch and had her in mid-air. When she finally landed all ruffled up on the ground, she never knew what hit her. Long stated the Roosevelt the Scrooch Owl would land gently on the perch, slowy "scrooching" over to the hen while whispering sweet things in her ear, scrooch right up next to her and suddenly, in Huey's words, "THERE AIN'T NO HEN"!

    Huckabee is just like that, in my opinion and that is precisely what makes him a very dangerous candidate.
    Charming and disarming as he is, he will not get my vote!

  • Posted By: Boulder Sue @ 12/09/2007 4:09:19 PM

    bospap: if the Constitution did not provide for freedom FROM religion, I guess I'd be in jail. Read that part about "no law respecting the establishment of religion" again. The argument about prayer in scools has always puzzled me. 40 years ago we had a big controversy in my junior high school, at which time I was a member of the student council. At that time it was the usual thing to open the school day with the Pledge of Allegiance and the Lord's Prayer. Pretty much everyone went along with the exception of some Dunkard kids (something like Amish) who refused both and got into trouble over it. They were probably the most religious kids there in terms of living their religion every moment. They just happened to have different rules about praying. Our student council, including me, went to the principal and demanded that these kids be allowed to remain seated or leave the room or otherwise not participate without being punished. Problem solved. As for praying in public generally, it is not for me to judge, but Jesus had something to say about it to a Pharisee, Matthew chapter 6, I believe. He said something about praying in public where everyone could see you was really showing off your piety and that the Father would hear you just as well if you prayed in your closet. I'm sure that's how those Dunkard kids felt. Forcing children to pray is wrong. Anyone can pray anywhere, anytime, in there hearts, but there are places to do it in public where it is not coerced. As for the Bible in scool, if it is part of a religious studies course or even a literature or history course, no problem. We could all have benefitted from being exposed to the great religious works of literature. In fact when I was earninig my Religious Studies degree (at a state university) I was required to have the religious book appropriate to the course I was taking. Since my specialty was early Christianity I had a Bible. As far as the Founders expecting religion to be an integral part of daily life, I'd say, sure, if you are religious. But that's pretty wide ranging definition, don't you think? And the Founders had a wide range of ideas on what it meant to be religious. I'm sure plenty of graduate theses have been written on that subject,, and there has been a lot written on the varying religiosity of the Founders. Read a few. I'm sure some of them spent some late nights over wine debating religion and it's varieties.

  • Posted By: jezreel1 @ 12/09/2007 4:03:40 PM

    Yes, Thank you vox populi for the bright light.One thing about people that express there beliefs it certainly helps in discerning.The line between those who know Jesus,those who don't, and those who are against him is becoming more evidentI suppose one day he will not be here for an on to seek and those who are against him will.........

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