A New American Holy War

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  • Posted By: political_joe @ 12/09/2007 5:18:38 PM

    I think in this day and age, we're paying way more attention to things that shouldn't be front page news, and ignoring issues that should. With that having been said, I think its evident that there are Americans out there who forgot about on what ideals and values that this country was based on, and one of them is the seperation of church and state. I think those who look at religion as one of the deciding factors of who they are going to vote for have forgotten about this and perhaps need a reminder from time to time.

  • Posted By: APentecostal @ 12/09/2007 4:46:30 PM

    All jokes aside, do we really want a man in office whose religion teaches that he too can one way become a God??? Mormon crazy say what. The only way to the Father is through the Son.

  • Posted By: childhood @ 12/09/2007 4:07:31 PM

    Since we have freedom? to practice, or not, whatever religion we wish, or none, why are we discussing each candidate's religion? Let's not get bogged down here - we have homeless people and children without health care and a seemingly endless war (against another religion?), plus an endless national debt related to that war. Can we figure out what to do about those problems?

  • Posted By: midnight05 @ 12/09/2007 3:35:15 PM

    I hate to be a spoilsport but some Americans are (gasp) Jewish, some are (double gasp) Muslim and some equally valuable citizens are not anything religious at all. With all this talk about Jesus as Lord and master, some of us are getting a tad nervous. I don't mind Huckabee professing evangelical Christianity or Romney being Mormon but the Constitution is really clear that they had better keep their "mitts" off the rest of us.

  • Posted By: Northlite @ 12/09/2007 3:25:50 PM

    By the way and to step out my political persona: One good thing that Mr. Romney's speech did was to open up this issue for discussion, so we can see the bridges to one another and the divides. Hopefully such a dialogue will have positive outcomes for the nation rather than winners and losers, sheep and goats. Thank you Jon for your insightful and provocative work. Great job! As someone who visits a fairly wide range of political and news on line, there is a constant theme of major media distrust and constant accusations about bias both on the part of the media generally, each outlet, and individual journalists, especially. It is amazing how many times I see the same journalist excoriated in both Dem and Rep blogs for their bias towards the other side. We have become fractionalized, no longer speaking to each other or having a common source of truth. Sad. I am impressed by how honestly if imperfectly(there ain't no perfection) Newsweek at least aspires to the highest journalistic excellence.

  • Posted By: South Carolina Joe @ 12/09/2007 12:23:28 PM

    Wjhere were other Christians in the 1800's when good Christian "Mormons" were rejecting slavery? Should we look into the past of Baptists to find out how many slaves they owned? And other religions don't teach that God tells us that women can't hold the priesthood, does that make them anti-women? Come on, quit spewing ignorance and hate and start listening to true messages - i.e. from The Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter Day Saints.

  • Posted By: The Eagle Spirit @ 12/09/2007 11:37:40 AM

    Seems someone removed the Truth I commented on this page

  • Posted By: louisxiv @ 12/09/2007 10:58:40 AM

    I agree with the majority of my fellow Americans here who just may believe that the Constitution was written by rightious men whom were not born politicians.And this was an opportunity for the poor rightious to write the rulebook. And was it not revered? It is obvious that it has not even trancended it's meager 300 years.

    Or, hey, maybe Christ is here right now, and, these guys know it, and, they understand just how serious this second visitation really is. Don't you think DC would be the first to know of the miracle working rain man mind reader ? Especially if he had a beautiful agenda of policies, that, would not exactly see the tippy top of our social ladder being apeased .Oh, and would they want to tell you? First they would want to remove him, because of that fear of overthrow, right, but, every assination attempt would result in the assasin killing himself instead, because it just might really be "Jesus",and they never would have dreamed that it all was
    true. Except they knew he was a peaceful man, and instead of grabbing up a bunch of miss guided souls and putting guns in there hands, he would use things like storms and earth quakes to inspire them to hear his policies, oh, and curses of illness is an ear and eye opener. So, his threat of overthrow would come down to let's work on this together. And that's the position of this mystery visionary, that you might love, and are loved by. He would even give the retards on capital hill a second chance, WHY, well his return would be his second chance to finish what he started.Soooo......let's try to be a little more optimistic. That is what America needs more than ever right now. Let's rescue Rome from the fall and get back to that once great country that we are! And that requires positivity and unity from the bottom to the top- from our professional panhandlers to our doctors.

  • Posted By: johnpp2 @ 12/09/2007 9:53:29 AM

    Wake up America! These two buffoons are irrelevant. Don't allow the media to focus your attention on this ridiculous stupidity. Look at a candidate who has the actual intellect to govern the country according to the principles of the Constitution. Vote for Ron Paul!

  • Posted By: C. MacLean @ 12/09/2007 9:29:23 AM

    Where is Jimmy Carter when you need him? Now there was a man of piety and virtue - I don't ever recall him shoving his private religious views in America's face.

    Take back America for Christ? Are we serious here? Christ, as I understand him, would want no part of present-day America - too many money lenders, too many with plenty of their own sins casting stones, and not enough folks turning the other cheek.

    Romney shouldn't have to defend his personal religious beliefs to get elected, and Huckabee shouldn't burden us with his personal religious beliefs to get elected. Too many of our :religious" leaders have clearly demonstrated they are low in the morality and values deparment - show me evidence that you are a person with moral integrity - it doesn't matter to me if you got your integrity from the bible, the koran, or a cracker jacks box, as long as you have some, and use it often.

    As far as bible verses and prayers are concerned, how about the passage that says, "Render unto Caeser what is Caeser's, render unto God what is God's." Sounds like separation of church and state to me.

  • Posted By: Northlite @ 12/09/2007 8:51:56 AM

    Mr. Romney ran for office and then was elected to a four year stint in Massachusetts. As a now former daily reader of the local papers and a life long resident of the "Peoples Republic"(Majority RC I believe), his Mormon religion was rarely if ever an issue to the liberals, independents, and moderates who voted for and worked with him. Certainly he didn't make a big deal of it either. I've heard(and perhaps voiced!) plenty of criticism of him during his tenure as our governor, particularly since he set his sights on higher ambitions. But I have never ever heard anyone taking him to task for or even joking over a beer about his Mormon religion. Us liberals(and moderates and independents) are a fairly tolerant lot.

    For Mitt to have shown courage, he would have had to confront in some way the bigotry he faces from the right, from his fellow "Christians". Instead, he, rather evasively, deposited half-dissolved bromides about our national traditions and made the big public pander:Jesus! To a cynic even this stuff is more "saying anything to get elected." And its shameless the way he makes a bogeyman of the very "secular" people who treated him as a respect worthy human being in Massachusetts, whether he was Mormon and something else. Shameless.

    Finally, in a general note on all this: While I thought Romney's speech was evasive, the opportunity it has opened up for discussion about this most interesting and important and heart-felt aspect of our lives approaches the profound

  • Posted By: sheilab @ 12/09/2007 2:00:06 AM

    Every politicians running under the "christian" banner should have Joh Jays remarks about "Real christians will abstain from violating the rights of other" constantly before their face because it seems to me all "christians" want to do is violate the rights of others by forcing their theology on the masses.

  • Posted By: nawawimohamad @ 12/08/2007 10:47:17 PM

    I don't belief the politicians. They will say anything for votes and then do things as they wish when elected.

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