Watching Torture

maybe we should start waterboarding bush and cheney, get some true answers to their involvement in the attacks on 9/11, come on people, the true terrorists are in the white house as we speak.

maybe we should start waterboarding bush and cheney, to get the real answers as to what happened on 9/11, come on people, the real terrorist are in the white house as we speak.

"How much do you have to delude yourself in order to torture another human being "

None at all. It's called war.

"If we had not gone into Iraq, and had instead only gone into Afghanistan - it could have been called justified, and we might have even gained credibility."

Nonsense. This myth is constantly preached by liberals - it's the same trick they're always running, pretending that 'credibility'

How much do you have to delude yourself in order to torture another human being and then go home at night and sleep peacefully knowing that it was "ok" and "necessary." I don't care if the person is guilty as Satan; they are still a person. They feel like a person, cry like one, scream like one, die like one. In order to torture and kill people who torture and kill people, you have to adopt their mentality to some degree, and in a sense that makes you just like them. How do you establish that cognitive dissonance. How can you live with yourself if you would do that to another human being? I can barely psych myself up to watch fake torture on television...I couldn't imagine doing it in real life, and I wouldn't want to know anybody that did...It's disturbing...mentally.

How much do you have to delude yourself in order to torture another human being and then go home at night and sleep peacefully knowing that it was "ok" and "necessary." I don't care if the person is guilty as Satan; they are still a person. They feel like a person, cry like one, scream like one, die like one. In order to torture and kill people who torture and kill people, you have to adopt their mentality to some degree, and in a sense that makes you just like them. How do you establish that cognitive dissonance. How can you live with yourself if you would do that to another human being? I can barely psych myself up to watch fake torture on television...I couldn't imagine doing it in real life, and I wouldn't want to know anybody that did...It's disturbing...mentally.

I hate droden. Way to jump the gun and outright dismiss them as "non torture tapes". Then to imply those tapes aren't as brutal as those the author witnessed decades ago. We've caught many men, and denied all of them the human rights that we try to champion around the world. Our status and standing has broken in just a couple years. We gave up tremendous amounts of political posture. If we had not gone into Iraq, and had instead only gone into Afghanistan - it could have been called justified, and we might have even gained credibility. Should we have put a gun to the entire region that we had already disaffect through generations of misinformation and hatred. Torture is wrong. For you to deny what you haven't seen, and not be outraged that we now have no way of verifying what our government is doing to other human beings is completely unconscionable. If you are a government employee being tasked with rebutting this article, you deserve the country you are creating.

Reading articles like this sickens my stomach. It's not fair to use "torture" techniques to elicit information from terrorist suspects, yet, it's fair for those a--holes to behead innocent Americans on video and post it on the Internet for all to see. I guess it's "fair" what happened to all the innocent victims in the Twin Towers on 9/11. I guess it's fair to the hundreds of families that lost loved ones during that tragic day. Enough of this bleeding heart liberal crap. If you need information from a terrorist and you need to revert to "torture" to get it....go for it.

I would like to know how in the world Mr Barry can refer to Khaleed Sheik Muhammed and Abu Zabaydah as "Alleged Al Qaida Operatives". The problems with people like Mr Barry is their memory is way to short and they feel a need to blame everyone one but the actual terrorists. I assume Mr Barry feels the fact that these were two of the people who were responsible for the destruction of the WTC and the Pentagon means nothing. We should put these people in a pretty cell and make sure they get all of their vitamins. Lest Mr Barry and his cohorts forget there were 3000 people killed on 9/11. We did not cause that they did. There are times and people that deserve to be punished and when attacks can be immanent we need to do whatever has to be done to get the information. I assume Mr Barry has a problem with us dropping the Bomb on Japan in WWII, he would have much rather had another 50,000 US Soldiers die just to do the "legal" thing. 9/11 did not bring us to this; our enemies have brought us to this point. We need to stand up and not shrink like Mr Barry wants us to. I guess Mr Barry would have a problem if the ???Water Boarding??? was used to thwart a terrorist attack that may have saved a life of a loved one of his. Mr. Barry does not include in his description of torture videos the films that were shown to us of Muslim Terrorists beheading innocent Americans. I assume he has left those out because he blames us for that as well. Fortunately for us there are men and women in this country that respect the threat and are not afraid to do the right thing to protect us. Appeasement only makes the problem much greater and worse. Shame on you Mr Barry!!!!!!!1

I would like to know how in the world Mr Barry can refer to Khaleed Sheik Muhammed and Abu Zabaydah as "Alleged Al Qaida Operatives". The problems with people like Mr Barry is their memory is way to short and they feel a need to blame everyone one but the actual terrorists. I assume Mr Barry feels the fact that these were two of the people who were responsible for the destruction of the WTC and the Pentagon means nothing. We should put these people in a pretty cell and make sure they get all of their vitamins. Lest Mr Barry and his cohorts forget there were 3000 people killed on 9/11. We did not cause that they did. There are times and people that deserve to be punished and when attacks can be immanent we need to do whatever has to be done to get the information. I assume Mr Barry has a problem with us dropping the Bomb on Japan in WWII, he would have much rather had another 50,000 US Soldiers die just to do the "legal" thing. 9/11 did not bring us to this; our enemies have brought us to this point. We need to stand up and not shrink like Mr Barry wants us to. I guess Mr Barry would have a problem if the ???Water Boarding??? was used to thwart a terrorist attack that may have saved a life of a loved one of his. Mr. Barry does not include in his description of torture videos the films that were shown to us of Muslim Terrorists beheading innocent Americans. I assume he has left those out because he blames us for that as well. Fortunately for us there are men and women in this country that respect the threat and are not afraid to do the right thing to protect us. Appeasement only makes the problem much greater and worse. Shame on you Mr Barry!!!!!!!1

oops sorry I triple posted

In a world where no one seems to want to play fair. It is that much more critical of us as a society to lead by example and not stoop to those methods. It is this level of integrity that we can only hope will one day work its way into the hearts of those that think they need to do these horrible things. How are we to impose our ways onto others if we become a lesser evil that is still in some way evil. It is only through understanding and education of the masses that we might eventually realize the dream we all hope will come true.

I hate Newsweek. Way to jump the gun and outright call them 'torture tapes'. Then to imply those tapes are as brutal as those you witnessed decades ago. We caught the man that planned 9/11 in Pakistan years ago. He was waterboarded and broke in a minute. He gave up a tremendous amount of information. If forces had shot him dead because he drew a weapon apon his capture that would have been legal as it would have been in self defense. But what do we do in self defense when captured people have information that can and will harm us? Should we have politely asked him to give us information that could have saved lives? Torture is wrong, but as of now there is NO proof that what was on those tapes constituted torture and there were members of both parties and members of the govt that viewed and 'ok'ed their destruction. For you to call them 'torture tapes' and compare them to acts of inhumane brutal bloodetting and physical pain is grossly irresponsible.

I hate Newsweek. Way to jump the gun and outright call them 'torture tapes'. Then to imply those tapes are as brutal as those you witnessed decades ago. We caught the man that planned 9/11 in Pakistan years ago. He was waterboarded and broke in a minute. He gave up a tremendous amount of information. If forces had shot him dead because he drew a weapon apon his capture that would have been legal as it would have been in self defense. But what do we do in self defense when captured people have information that can and will harm us? Should we have politely asked him to give us information that could have saved lives? Torture is wrong, but as of now there is NO proof that what was on those tapes constituted torture and there were members of both parties and members of the govt that viewed and 'ok'ed their destruction. For you to call them 'torture tapes' and compare them to acts of inhumane brutal bloodetting and physical pain is grossly irresponsible.

odd, the link to this story was "what its like to watch THE CIA torture tapes", yet the writer DID NOT watch THE CIA tapes and thus has no credibilityy in declaring the content as being about torture. His story is about foreign torture that occured more than THREE DECADES AGO.
I love all the speculation and lack of knowlege yet Newsweek feels comfortable posting drivel like this as well as use of a "photo illustration" to further their not so subtle point of view. I expect crap like that in a blog, not in Newsweek.

Transgressors that put God???s organ out of tune, that discompose and tear the body of man with violence, are those inhuman persecutors who with racks and tortures and prisons and fires and exquisite inquisitions throw down the bodies of the true God???s servants to the idolatrous worship of their imaginary gods, that torture men into Hell and carry them through the inquisition into damnation. St Augustine moves a question, and institutes a disputation, and carries it somewhat problematically, whether torture be to be admitted at all, or no. That presents a fair probability which he says against it. We presume, says he, that an innocent man should accuse himself, by confession, in torture. And if an innocent man be able to do so, why should we not think that a guilty man, who shall save his life by holding his tongue in torture, should be able to do so?

And then, where is the use of torture? It is a slippery trial and uncertain (says Ulpian) to convince by torture. For many says (says St Augustine again) he that is yet but questioned, whether he be guilty or no, before that be known, is, without all question, miserably tortured. And whereas, many time, the passion of the Judge, and the covetousness of the Judge, and the ambition of the Judge, are calamities heavy enough upon a man that is accused. If the Judge knew that he were innocent, he should suffer nothing. If he knew he were guilty, he should not suffer torture. But because the Judge is ignorant and knows nothing, therefore the prisoner must be racked and tortured and mangled.

Preached at St. Paul's Cathedral in London in 1865 ! ! How times DO NOT change . . . . . . . . .