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Scouts Divided

Since A Supreme Court Ruling Against Gays In The Boy Scouts, Americans Are Increasingly Torn Over A Beloved Institution

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From the magazine issue dated Aug 6, 2001

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Posted By: megan2008 @ 10/11/2008 8:46:29 AM

Comment: The "Gay" issue is a problem for schools trips and locker rooms as well as school trips. Imagine being a straight student having to room with or change in front of a gay student. They feel uncomfortabel and that's not fair. Neither is descrimination against gays. Solutions are difficult SOMEONE has to be descriminated against, the rights of the straight person or the gay person This does not even begin to touch the subject that we normally keep boys from girls to prevent consenting sexual encounters, so what about gays paired up on outings? How is the consenting sexual encounters prevented. A very diffifult issue indeed.
Posted By: tjrobison @ 07/22/2008 4:04:24 PM

Comment: I dont believe that anyone should be forced to allow biological abberations into their midst, becuase, that after all is what a homosexual is, a biological abberation. Its not about religion, its about "accepting" people who by choice or by nature are biological abberations. I will accept them no more than I would accept a flat tire at 90mph.
- Posted By: cathytown22 @ 08/15/2008 10:18:51 PM
  
  Comment: I agree, tjrobinson! And, while we're at it, let's disallow the biological abberations of left-handedness, color-blindness, red hair and ignorant, homophobic, hateful redneck hate mongers like you. I am so ashamed you are a member of the human species.
Posted By: vismaior @ 07/22/2008 2:45:57 AM

Comment: Pedophiles and homosexuals are not the same thing, but I suppose that is an uphill battle that would be fool hardy to even attempt here. No one here seems to want to give actual thought to the scouts themselves, and their true well being, because many of the boys that the conservative movement would rather see out of scouting might not realize they are gay until they are in their mid to late teen. I would think it very sad that intolerance breeds such an atmosphere that instantly devalues a youth's presence in the organization because of his sexuality. When I was a kid Scouting was for all boys and now 30 years later it is for only one type of boy. In the greatest percentage of the worldwide Scouting Movement, it is still Scouting for all. The slash and burn attitude of the current leaders of the BSA is out of step with reality and potentially far more harmful to the psyche of boys than letting them growing into manhood gaining all the tools necessary to become good moral citizens secure int their identity regardless of sexuality.
Posted By: Mediatoday @ 07/22/2008 12:58:01 AM

Comment: The article states "A growing number of Americans don't approve of the exclusionary policy--and they're not letting it rest". It should be noted that this "growing number" is still a wide MINORITY of the population. The Boys Scouts was not founded on principles that embrace homosexual behavior and I doubt Lord Baden Powell had it in mind to cater to sexual behavior that is less than "reverant". Despite what United Church of Christ, along with Baptist and Episcopal congregations recommend, and what the left-wing/liberal media program agenda is trying to espouse, the Boy Scouts remain intact promoting heterosexual values. I applaud the Union of American Hebrew Congregations for issuing its "public denunciation" and calling upon synagogues to end Scout sponsorship and congregants to pull their children out of the dens, packs or troops - let those this offends resign - the sooner the better. The Boy Scout program does not need their "support". I would urge anyone contesting this to open a copy of the BSA handbook and review the section on child safety around pedophiles. Just common sense not to let homosexuals into an environment that would cause more harm than good to boys. Of course, common sense is often under attack by our media as well.
Posted By: vismaior @ 07/21/2008 10:35:46 PM

Comment: There are straight scouts all around the country who are standing up for the rights of all. This is a forum attached to a particular article. The only thing I can say in response to you post is that apparently you were a straight young man experimenting with his sexuality. You were the one who acted out in an inappropriate manner, but you acknowledge that you realized you were not gay. On the other hand, many gay scouts go through their scouting experience respecting the people who they see as their friends I was a gay scout, and my troop went camping all the time, I was more concerned about who snored. Scouting teaches boys respect for themselves and others. Valuable lessons allow informed adults to understand, and not apply stereotypes as a justification of prejudicial exclusion.
Posted By: revmark @ 07/21/2008 4:44:40 PM

Comment: The interesting thing to point out here also is, how the Homosexual Rights activists are trying to make it a hate crime to even speak out on what The Bible says about it. So, what about our rights as Citizens? I served in the military to preserve everyone's rights, but I did not serve to allow extremists to take rights away from others. If you want to speak out for homosexuality, more power to you, but don't tell me I cannot speak against it. It goes both ways.
And I see I still have no takers on my challenge to the straight boys that want to keep homosexuals in Scouting. I guess the buck stops there.
Posted By: revmark @ 07/21/2008 4:38:36 PM

Comment: "The American Medical Association has called upon groups to "reconsider exclusionary policies that are based on sexual orientation." At its annual meeting last month, the association warned that stigmatizing homosexuality can contribute to major depression and suicide among gay youth. " Not if they are shown an alternative, and shown that there is a way out, and that they can change. The problem is, society is so concerned about accepting homosexuality, that you are either for it, or you are a homophobe. I was shown, in love, at age 17, that there was a way to change, without society trying to protect my rights to be homosexual. Sometimes, acceptance and protection does more harm then good. Showing that it is unacceptable, but with a way out, that is proven to work, keeps anyone from becoming suicidal, because they know they can change. A young person who chooses that lifestyle should be lovingly embraced, and then taught how others successfully came out of that lifestyle.
Posted By: revmark @ 07/21/2008 4:19:19 PM

Comment: Hmm, lets ask the straight boys, that think it is ok to have gays in the scouts, about this one. I said in the other thread that I was into homosexuality actions, when I was in my teens. I was in the Scouts. Many camping trips I thought up ways to lay next to the cutest boys in the tents, so that I might get up the courage to cop a feel, while they were sleeping. And I succeeded a couple of times. Being a kid, it was like a game to me. How would you feel being in a tent with one, knowing he may be planning to do the same with you? Would you still be able to sleep, knowing that one was there with you? No better way to get what they want, then when you are asleep. I hope you aren't a sound sleeper, like some of the boys in my tents.
Remember, you expose yourself to what they were exposed to. And since they are effiminate, perhaps it would be better they join the Girl Scouts, since that is what they want to be, girls. At least there, there is no chance of them doing anything inappropriate while the others are asleep.
And I always was made to say the same pledge, For God and my Country.
- Posted By: Jack78 @ 07/25/2008 5:55:42 PM
  
  Comment: 'Coping a fell', as you innocently explain it, is not the sign of a homosexual, it is the sign of someone who doesn't respect the rights of others. This is unacceptable behavior for heterosexuals as well. Are there homosexuals that would behave this way? Of course. But please, don't label all homosexuals as perverts because you acted that way. Not all heterosexuals are rapist despite the fact that there are heterosexual rapists.
Posted By: wdnewlin @ 07/21/2008 8:15:37 AM

Comment: I think the BSA is a great organization, BUT, in the midst of all they good they can potentially do for our boys and young men, it is time to come into the modern era and realize that accepting all people, whether or not you accept and believe in what they believe and do for thier lifestyles, is one of the best thing you can teach our young boys. Tolerance goes a long way these days. Tolerance and respect for those different than yourself, we all have to learn to live with each other , and our many, many differences if we ever hope to live in peace. If we cant do that in an organization such as the BSA, where in the world can we?
Posted By: vismaior @ 07/21/2008 5:14:44 AM

Comment: There is a difference between religious faith/doctrine and the historical reality of an organization. The boys Scouts is an organization created for a specific purpose. That purpose was outlined and modified to suit each country that adopted its principles, and yes how those principles have been interpreted have changed over the years, but what has gone before does not cease to exist as a historical fact. The BSA of the 21st Century is not the BSA I grew up in. I saw the changes, I learned what had been before. The religious doctrine has become the deciding factor in the US that determines who may join, but that is not how it has always been. History records that it was different than now. Those who remember how it once was have every right to try to restore what they feel was lost, just as those who control what is can to try to preserve what they have now created. But history should not be rewritten or else Scouting will be diminished even further from its origins and intents.
Posted By: vismaior @ 07/21/2008 3:35:02 AM

Comment: If there is any tragedy in this beyond the tremendous harm being done to the development and well being of American boys and teens, it is the death of the actual origins of Scouting. We as American have such a poor historical memory. Scouting was designed to guide boys into men, first and foremost, but it was not tied to religion. Reverence is a part of it, but not the central theme. Scouting was born out of para military origins, but gradually tempered to use more naturalist themes. In the United States that was a connection to Native Americans. Now granted the Scouting Movement in the United States has evolved over time to its present incarnation, but do not assume what is there now is what was there in the beginning. I had the privilege or reading Boy Scout and Scout Masters Handbooks written across the years from the beginning to the present. Boys Scouts evolved to a more conservative and less inclusive organization. If there is any usurpation that has occurred it by those who pushed THEIR interpretation of religious faith upon Scouting.

What is happening now is that those who have found themselves banished from what was once a National Institution are fighting to reclaim what was stolen. Religion is important to many and in and of itself is a good thing but was not the primary cornerstone of the Scouting Movement. Please familiarize yourself with history before making incorrect assertions. Baden-Powell wanted to create an organization for boys and young men that was inclusive, not exclusive. The fact that Scouting is a world wide organization is a testimony to its intention of universal appeal.
Posted By: s2paz @ 07/21/2008 1:29:17 AM

Comment: im gonna be honest i dont like gays and they are religiuosly wrong. im a first, almost star scout and i was raised to do the right thing and follow what the bible says, so as it says gays are wrong i believe that, because GOD says so. i think gays shouldnt be allowed in Scouts because it isnt Godly or morally right and the Scouts are based on morals and religion. if people dont like it, dont complain about it, leave it and move on.
Posted By: s2paz @ 07/21/2008 1:29:04 AM

Comment: im gonna be honest i dont like gays and they are religiuosly wrong. im a first, almost star scout and i was raised to do the right thing and follow what the bible says, so as it says gays are wrong i believe that, because GOD says so. i think gays shouldnt be allowed in Scouts because it isnt Godly or morally right and the Scouts are based on morals and religion. if people dont like it, dont complain about it, leave it and move on.
Posted By: goodfor today @ 07/21/2008 12:46:13 AM

Comment: The Scouts stand by their principles. Something that is unusual for today's "do it if it feels good mentality." Homosexuals violate the laws of nature and before the decline of civilization, violated the laws of man. Being good in action but rotten at heart does not make a contributing member of society. May homosexuality go the way it has gone throughout history and be banshed from public sight and action once disgust rises to the level that law-abiding citizens say the core is rotten, cut it out. It's too bad our children have been indoctrinated into the filth by government schools. They deserved better.
Posted By: Computer_Expert @ 07/20/2008 11:33:16 PM

Comment: When I lived in Los Angeles, California, the United Way was a major donation point and the Los Angeles Unified School District (LAUSD) was a leading advocate for meetings. The Boy Scouts of America were among the first when it came to "recycling," prior to World War II. They have done much for the community and the United States as a whole. About fifteen years ago, the LAUSD School Board closed the doors to sponsoring or even allowing the Boy Scouts of America on school property (even though it was a violation of a public access act) and the United Way succumbed to the Sacred Cow of "Political Correctness," and the people responded. The former through the courts and the latter through direct donations to the BSA.

Instead of focusing in on the greater good, something known as freedom of association, individual organizations with a political bent have put children and young men in their cross-hairs, for the sake of their beliefs regarding sexual orientation. it has no extended through the religious community andd maybe we need to stop and ask ourselves, what is the greater good?

I see people who do not agree with a certain life-style, life-choice, or whatever, telling politicians to decimate the BSA. The REAL question should be does BSA's values infringe upon the rights of others. Granted that each individual is granted inalienable rights, but no one is given absolute rights. For example, If a man walks into a ladies room for the purpose to "peep," leastwise in most cities, the individual will be spending the day or night in the local jail, awaiting bond or arraignment..

Do I have the right to use other people's property, a country club for example, when I am not a member? This answer is very straightforward.

People who are of an extreme liberal bent say that the BSA lacks understanding. I would counter that when a substantial majority of individuals, who have a code of conduct that yields great benefits from an historical and factual basis, the lack of understanding lies with the liberal bent and compound the matter by trying to push it in the BSA's face.
Posted By: SATYRIC @ 07/20/2008 11:25:20 PM

Comment: One frosty night in 1964, I stood before my community to receive my Eagle Scout rank award, the Hellman Trophy for Excellence in Scouting, and the Kiwanis Club Award for Outstanding Youth. My merit badge sash had 78 merit badges.

Our Troop number was 0001, East Orange, New Jersey, and we were told it was the very first Boy Scout troop founded in the U.S.-- by Lord Baden-Powell himself. Our Troop therefore had a unique heritage and tradition to carry forward, which we pretty much did as best we could during the baby-booming 1950???s and 1960???s.

Over the years, the quite pragmatic and utilitarian ???Be Prepared??? and ???Do Your Best??? Cub Scout and Boy Scout mottos kept me calm and effective enough over the years to life-save a panicky adult woman, deliver a baby, fend off a large shark, and render first aid to various wounded individuals until the EMT squad arrived.

But that supposedly proud frosty night in 1964, was one of the most traumatic experiences of my Life???because I???d known since the age of 6 that I am wholly, naturally and uncompromisingly same-sexual.

After being expelled from college in 1973, I was re-admitted to that same college 30 years later. I was recovering my life from what would eventually be formally diagnosed and adjudicated as multi-level Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. I enrolled in a prominent northeastern state university???s Community Psychology Master???s Degree Program, with at-risk BGILT American Youth as my special area of interest.

Possessed of a high degree of creative intelligence, I eventually produced a 357 page single-spaced ¼??? marginned master???s thesis, with over 370 research references. And among so many other astonishing and wonderful discoveries, I became aware of the previously suppressed historical facts that men just like me were wholly responsible for the Birth of Democracy, The Renaissance, The Enlightenment (development of the ???Scientific Method???) and the Digital Theory Information and Communications Revolution which is sweeping and transforming our world.

My university refused even to let me defend my thesis, and I refused to back down. And the government is deducting $79 each month from my $859/mo. Social Security Disability benefits to repay my $64,000 school loan package.

In the meantime, I???ve been motivated to become the social advocacy reincarnation of H. L. Mencken???but fully armed with the digital miracle of PhotoShop-enabled political satires, which I taught myself how to create. Basic Art Therapy theory. And if you???re wondering what that agonised, scared highly decorated Eagle Scout has decided to try to do about all this wretched nonsense???call up www.teamliberal.com, go to ENTERTAINMENT > COMICS, and check out ???Satyric???s??? political satires.

Especially the one on Ann Coulter???s feeling free to publicly use the slur ???faggot??? for cheap laughs.
Posted By: dillet @ 07/20/2008 11:10:30 PM

Comment: It is within the rights of a non-governmental organization to define its standards for membership! Scouting, like many other groups, is not a democracy, either. The BSA must also protect itself against liability, which on this issue is huge.
Posted By: cleancutter @ 07/20/2008 10:51:11 PM

Comment: The boy scouts like so many other organizations are being ruined and gutted by people with a political axe to grind, Personaly I think like the military a dont ask dont tell policy would be in the best interest of all parties other than the gay community and the religious communities. The scouts are a good organization its basic goals are sound, they teach boys how to think, how to organize, how to survive in difficult situations, without mom and dad hovering over them, they are allowed or were to test thier limits and abilities while the troop leaders watched and advised to made sure they didnt do somthing really dangerous and outragious. the boys made the plans carried them out and ,big words here, took the responsability for themselves and the younger scouts , these days that is something nobody seems to be able to handle any more. The scouts helped shape my two boys into young men I am really pround of. Oh by the way one of them is gay.
Posted By: Alfredo Rangel @ 07/20/2008 10:00:25 PM

Comment: As an organization founded and built on religious values, it is horrible that anything other than the gospel of love and acceptance be proclaimed. As a former scout, i remember being taught many things, but also how to use that hard earned knowledge in a way that protects not only the people around me, but myself as well. By blanketing this issue, BSA doesn't give the youth the opportunity to do the right thing. Since when did "Do a good turn daily" get "but only to those who not different" ?
Posted By: Anastasio @ 07/20/2008 8:39:47 PM

Comment: I was in the boyscouts as a scout for many years and I loved it.. The things you come out of scouting with , help to make you the man you will be in society.... If a young man is gay., He is Gay... Since the parents failed to do so, the leaders and the other scouts should be an example to the boy to follow. Love ( not Physical) , is the way to a heart of a child, and who ever gets there first wins... My prayer is that these BSA leaders would step up and take the initiative to embrace these boys and show them what real men are supposed to be. Thank God for organizations like the BSA, ...and even though the world is changing for the worst.. they influence they could have on the up and coming generations could be incredible..
Posted By: vismaior @ 07/20/2008 8:35:09 PM

Comment: I have to agree with those who see the BSA has disintergrated from an organization for the development of young boys into a rightwing propaganda money machine. I was amember of the Boy Scouts in what was then the Bayonne Council, which was the fourteenth such council in the country. They were sustained largely through the city itself, operating a sucessful scout camp for the boys of the City of Bayonne. By the late 80's the National Office closed the camp and stripped the sucessful council of its individual status citing economic reasons. The end result was a major drop in enrollment of boys in the organization. The quality of scouting is gone. When I was a scout it was something to be proud of. My sense of worth and self determination came from the BSA as much as it had from my parents. Even as I discovered my own sexuality, I never felt out of place in the Scouts. However, for my nephews, they found Scouting to be souless and boring, and both dropped out, the oldest had even found its negativity distasteful. I knew James Dale in college and even though I did not personally like him, I was proud of his fight to keep the Scouts open to all.
Posted By: amastrike @ 07/20/2008 8:13:36 PM

Comment: I am a female in Boy Scouting, and a member of an Eagle Board of Review. The Boy Scouts of America is a private organization and can choose to set its own standards for membership. However, I think they are just plain wrong on this. Being gay does not make one a good person, a bad person, or a sexual predator. Being gay is irrelevant to the quality of one's character. A decent, honest, hardworking person is just that, regardless of who they go home to at night.
Posted By: washingtongirl78 @ 07/20/2008 7:46:56 PM

Comment: As a former (female) employee of the BSA I can say that I feel that they are more worried about keeping the churches and those that supply them with money happy. I worked with numerous individuals that I know were gay or lesbian, but they kept it to themselves. I think it is ludicrous to ban certain individuals from this organization. Gays are no more likely to abuse a child than anyone else. I applaud the Scouts for making sure they do background checks on all leaders, but as in any organization, horrible people sneak through the cracks. Though I love the BSA, I left the organization based on the discrimination that exists. I was constantly put down for being a female in this "male" organization. I was even told by an individual that works at the National level that, "I would go far in the organization cause I was like the blacks (meaning I was a minority)". That was the day I decided that I couldn't support their cause (on top of the fact that they discriminated against gays). TO THE CHURCH THAT LOST THEIR TROOP: The charter for the Scouts puts the troop/pack in your control in the sense that all items belong to the chartering organization, not the Scouts. So essentially, they stole from you when they took your canoes, flags, etc. Those are legally your property based on the BSA charter.
Posted By: washingtongirl78 @ 07/20/2008 7:44:04 PM

Comment: As a former (female) employee of the BSA I can say that I feel that they are more worried about keeping the churches and those that supply them with money happy. I worked with numerous individuals that I know were gay or lesbian, but they kept it to themselves. I think it is ludicrous to ban certain individuals from this organization. Gays are no more likely to abuse a child than anyone else. I applaud the Scouts for making sure they do background checks on all leaders, but as in any organization, horrible people sneak through the cracks. Though I love the BSA, I left the organization based on the discrimination that exists. I was constantly put down for being a female in this "male" organization. I was even told by an individual that works at the National level that, "I would go far in the organization cause I was like the blacks (meaning I was a minority)". That was the day I decided that I couldn't support their cause (on top of the fact that they discriminated against gays). TO THE CHURCH THAT LOST THEIR TROOP: The charter for the Scouts puts the troop/pack in your control in the sense that all items belong to the chartering organization, not the Scouts. So essentially, they stole from you when they took your canoes, flags, etc. Those are legally your property based on the BSA charter.
Posted By: Standing tall @ 07/20/2008 7:37:09 PM

Comment: I am a mother of an Eagle Scout and his father is also an Eagle Scout. I feel scouts is a place for boys to be boys, learning boy things. Parents want to send their boys off to a safe place. A boy got in scouts that was gay, and before they could get him out, he had propositioned a couple of the boys, it was very very disturbing, to the boys and to the parents. I don't understand why gays want to push their sexualality off on everyone. The Bible clearly states facts about it. But it is your life, just don't push it on all the rest of us. If you want a club for the kids, make one up, start one, be the leader, thats all you have to do. Quit forcing everyone else to apply to your standards. You just want to change it cause its there, just go on with your lives, they aren't going out and hurting you, like you are trying to hurt the Boy Scouts.
Posted By: JS60 @ 07/20/2008 7:08:19 PM

Comment: To ConsciousStream-
Your tying of Boy Scouts of America to Larry King Shooting is, in my opinion, wrong and a liberal attempt to push your own liberal agenda, no matter the cost or who it affects. The Larry King shooting was tragic- absolutely!, but was the result of adults pushing their agenda and using a child as the means to an end. Liberal or conservative- this is the mindset of the lowest level of scum. I have 3 sons, and I pray everyday to be a good dad, and filter out what could harm them. I was an Eagle Scout in WV, and saw the effects of a homosexual/pedophile in the Scouting program who affected Scouts through an act that I have not forgotten in 34 years. I agree with the Boy Scouts of America, and their decision, and will support them in the years to come, no matter the cost. Liberal or conservative- I think our sons deserve that symbol of being a man- take a stand for what you believe in, no matter what. In this age of waffling political losers( leaders), our children deserve to see their dads take a stand.
Posted By: pattrotzuk @ 07/20/2008 6:48:08 PM

Comment: Hey nobody77...more straight people abuse children than gays. It is common and verified knowledge. Because someone is gay DOES NOT make them an automatic pedophile. The Boy Scouts are wrong and pure hypocrites. That is why I as an Eagle Scout and my two brothers, also Eagle Scouts, mailed our badges and everything else back to BSA and will continue to oppose them at every step.
Posted By: Nobody77 @ 07/20/2008 6:35:59 PM

Comment: We all know that it was wrong for the Cathollic Church to allow priests to abuse children, and they did allow it, by knowing about it and not doing something to stop it. Instead they just moved these priests around and hid their dirty little secret. Well it is about time that we face the truth, the Boy Scouts of America have done the exact same thing. We had a Scoutmaster who was gay, the Councel knew it, but because he was "a good recruiter and hard worker" they hid the diryt little secret and moved him around to different troops over a 15 year period. No one knows how many Scouts he abused over those years. The BSA did nothing about it until the night before he was arrested when they had an emergency meeting to refund his membership dues so that they could tell the media that he was a "former Scoutmaster". That was almost twenty years ago, and yet to this day the BSA has never accepted any responsibility for their failure to act, nor have they made any restitution. Now they want to claim some moral high ground by declaring their organization does not accept gay men. What hypocrits. They have always allowed gay men to serve, just like the Catholic church did. The BSA should be made to pay restitution just like the churchs are. And they should admit the truth for once.
Posted By: Nobody77 @ 07/20/2008 6:34:31 PM

Comment: We all know that it was wrong for the Cathollic Church to allow priests to abuse children, and they did allow it, by knowing about it and not doing something to stop it. Instead they just moved these priests around and hid their dirty little secret. Well it is about time that we face the truth, the Boy Scouts of America have done the exact same thing. We had a Scoutmaster who was gay, the Councel knew it, but because he was "a good recruiter and hard worker" they hid the diryt little secret and moved him around to different troops over a 15 year period. No one knows how many Scouts he abused over those years. The BSA did nothing about it until the night before he was arrested when they had an emergency meeting to refund his membership dues so that they could tell the media that he was a "former Scoutmaster". That was almost twenty years ago, and yet to this day the BSA has never accepted any responsibility for their failure to act, nor have they made any restitution. Now they want to claim some moral high ground by declaring their organization does not accept gay men. What hypocrits. They have always allowed gay men to serve, just like the Catholic church did. The BSA should be made to pay restitution just like the churchs are. And they should admit the truth for once.
Posted By: ConsciousStream @ 07/20/2008 6:26:40 PM

Comment: Its a bit pretencious and sad to say that "They want scouting to be as it always has been, a safe place for kids to learn archery and radio building, but also public service and generosity, loyalty and trust" message? "Gay people will rape and hurt your children and cannot be trusted!" Pretty pathetic for Americans to agree...All I say is this, its also a privite group so they are allowed to make thier own choises, but that mentality cuases the tragedy's of the Larry King shooting.
Posted By: nshade @ 07/20/2008 5:54:32 PM

Comment: i am sick of hearing about the bible..about being gay is a sin does it not also say thal shall not judge..telling people they cant be in it because they are gay is judgeing just because someone is gay does not mean they are looking at you in that way..for you jerry j to call someone a deviant just because they are gay what makes you think you are any better than anyone else..everyone sins on a daily basis no matter who you are.people need to stop judgeing other peoples lives and worry about there own.just becaUSE SOMEONE IS GAY DOES NOT MEAN THEY SHOULD BE CAST OUT BECAUSE OF NARROW MINDED IDIOTS.
Posted By: JerryJ @ 07/20/2008 5:45:49 PM

Comment: The Catholic Church lost its moral compass many years ago when it allowed degenerate homosexuals to be ordained as priests. As a consequence many young men were sexually abused and were destroyed both physically and pshychologically, The Church is still paying a huge price for this failing. the Boy Scouts are unwilling to pay the price, both psychologically and pecunary, for allowing deviants to be members or Scout Masters.
- Posted By: nshade @ 07/20/2008 6:01:38 PM
  
  Comment: most of those priests who commited those acts were not gay..just because someone is gay does not make them a sex offender automatically..proven stats say most male sex offenders are straight white males ..so maybe you should have facts before you open your mouth..and say by allowing gay boys in the scouts you labeled them sex offenders already..people like you are the reason we have hate in this country..there are many things i dont agree with but i dont judge people based on who they sleep with and how they dress..
Posted By: JerryJ @ 07/20/2008 5:38:08 PM

Comment: The Catholic Church lost its religious compass and allowed degenerate homosexuals to be ordained as priests and thousands of youths were destroyed both physically and emotionally/. It behooves the Boy Scouts to keep their "exclusionary" policy regarding deviants in order to save their organization from lawsuits.

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