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  • Posted By: who says we are free? @ 12/12/2007 7:15:49 AM

    the unhealthy truth about rural america is called DEVELOPMENT, by all parties across the political spectrum, all greedy, all of them...you can't appeal to their conscience because they DON'T HAVE ONE...there are no such things as "liberals" or conservatives when it comes to making money in this country, only the dollar floats their boat...the insanity of the metropolis is here in small towns. this country is a sinking ship. oh yeah, i forgot, greed is what this great nation was founded on...Description of early Americans, the ones who invaded this already-inhabited continent: LIARS, MURDERERS, THIEVES...what a proud heritage...and not too much has changed since then...healthy living? WORRY ABOUT YOUR SOULS...if you still have one...

    • Posted By: Wulfhart @ 12/15/2007 5:10:30 AM

      I must object not everyone was a liar, murder, thief. My ancestors were Scottish serfs brought over to fight the american colonists in the revelutionary war. They did not want to come here, but hey I like America it is great.

    • Posted By: ruralstoreowner @ 12/12/2007 3:36:17 PM

      Having purchased a country store in rural Texas and observing the future customers of this rural area I would like to comment. First not many of our future customers are obese. A good many grow gardens and anyone with a garden will tell you, you most likely will be giving some of the vegetables to your neighbors because that is just what gardens do...over produce. And country people are good neighbors for the most part wanting to share and help out the needy. There are some over weight people in our area who will suffer from all the ills that come with too much or unhealthy foods.
      I believe you must start at the kindergarten level and make nutrition part of the study in every school. Further you must look at the school cafeteria and be sure they are providing healthy examples of diet for our children. Handouts, freevies and other ideas have never worked. It is like putting someone in prison but not caring how he was raised.
      For over one hundred years my family had had a grocery in rural Texas. We plan to offer a wide variety of food in our store and you will see merchandise change with the seasons. It will not all be healthy. We will provide healthy food for anyone who needs or wants it by trucking it in ourselves as we can not get it delivered.

      • Posted By: thejunkman @ 12/14/2007 12:05:16 PM

        We are commodities in the eyes of our government and the corporations that support it. As commodities we are valued in two ways: present and future value.
        What values does an obese unemployed woman with no education living in a rural area have? Does she pay taxes to the government? Does she own stock in major corporations? Is there any chance she will likely rise above her present condition?
        Why does Bush keep vetoing the healthcare bill? Because most people with value already have health insurance, that???s way. We don???t need any more poor Americans. There are plenty of poor across the border ready to come here and work, they have a future value to us.

  • Posted By: angelus1967 @ 12/13/2007 3:43:08 PM

    William.Demuth - I just realized that you and I were on the same page on the board about the new holy waters that are for sale. if you are an agnostic/athiest (I'm not sure you said which you are) well then, shoot you can't be ALL bad!

    • Posted By: William.Demuth @ 12/14/2007 7:41:52 AM

      Not only am I am atheist, I am a militant one. I have always believed that I will end up dying in the battle to keep religion from dominating the world. The greatest irony of them all is that I realize when I am face down in the street with a gun in my hand and a bullet in my back, the bullet shall not be a Muslim one, but rather a Christian one.

      • Posted By: angelus1967 @ 12/14/2007 12:45:53 PM

        There are few, if any, more dangerous institututions on this planet than organized religion. I will never understand the level of self delusion that goes into believing what these people believe and the damage that this belief can do.
        Militant/fanatical christianity is just as dangerous and pervasive as militant islam, if not more so.

        • Posted By: Bornita @ 12/14/2007 5:57:38 PM

          I think they concentrate in developing countries as missionaries and greatly contribute to structural aid dependency in the developing countries.

          • Posted By: Wulfhart @ 12/15/2007 4:37:47 AM

            Lol no that is what the UN does. The UN hands out money. And we all know what happens when you give a mouse a cookie. Ok maybe some of us don't. The mouse asks for milk to drink with the cookie. You give him milk he asks for a bed to sleep in because the milk made him tired. That is why developing countries are dependent on aid. UN gave them food. (all good there starving people should get food) Then they said we need clean water. UN gives them water treatment plants. They say, "hey we need electricity" we get them that. Then the developing country says, "We need medicine" UN gives it to them.

            And so on the list goes. Thus when we quit giving them aid they go into turmoil. It is not missionaries that cause dependency on aid, it is the UN's aid policy.

  • Posted By: skinnyminny2 @ 12/14/2007 9:54:11 PM

    re: beans and lentils....
    This makes good sense and these foods are a significant part of my own diet. Most people would rather make excuses and continue to eat junk instead acquiring the cheaper and more healthy dry goods......go figure.

  • Posted By: lovemyfamily @ 12/12/2007 3:34:24 PM

    I am poor, but I am not lazy. I live in an urban area, and have no trouble getting to Wal-Mart for groceries. But the simple fact of the matter is: nutritious food costs more. I can buy a package of ramen noodle soup for 16 cents. A can of ravioli is 99 cents. White, generic bread is 67 cents. Now, the makings of a salad add up to about four dollars, a package of mini carrots $2.89. Whole grain bread $2.39. Frozen veggies are anywhere between $1.89 to over$3.00 a bag. If my food budget is just over six dollars a day for my entire family---you do the math. will I be feeding my kids more salad, or more ramen noodle soup? We try to eat as nutritiously as possible, and yes, we worry about going hungry every single month.

    And, no, I don't smoke or drink, or waste money on anything frivolous or wasteful. I even cut all of our hair myself to save money. There is simply no way for my household to come up with more money to spend on more nutritious food. I know how to feed my family nutritiously, and it breaks my heart to know that my children would be healthier and have more energy if I could feed them better.

    • Posted By: cmullis2000@yahoo.com @ 12/12/2007 3:46:41 PM

      where do you work? what is your education level? why did you have children you cant afford to feed nutritiously?

      • Posted By: Bornita @ 12/14/2007 7:33:35 PM

        It certainly helps people to ask 'Why did you have children'. Very constructively put.

      • Posted By: JLWEAVER1 @ 12/12/2007 3:52:25 PM

        Maybe that person had a signifigant life change that affected her ablity to provide the most nutritious food possible. It doesn't mean she doesn't love them. It sounds to me like this mother is doing the best she can. I don't think she should be interrogated for that.

    • Posted By: William.Demuth @ 12/12/2007 3:47:00 PM

      I appreciate your position, I was once in a similar one. I am curious, do you believe that other people have an obligation to pay more taxes so your standard of living can go up?

      I don't know what city you are in, but in New York you are laready elligible for significant government assistance as well. I hope you take advantage of it. Good luck.

  • Posted By: Turbojesse @ 12/14/2007 2:53:13 PM

    What a crock. None of these posts have anything to do with the article.

    The price of living as free people is that some will not be able to sustain or take care of themselves. And as usual there???s always someone willing to blame it all on Bush. The lack of supermarkets in rural areas is nothing new. It???s as it???s always been. There are numerous ways rural people deal with this from stiocking up on canned and preserved food, to private truck gardens, to farmers markets, to hunting and fishing and on and on. It???s not that these people have no healthy choices, they choose not to exercise their choice. And it???s not just rural poor people. Look around the next time you go to the mall. See how many middle class and upper middle class folks are waddling down the aisles. Lack of good food judgement is not reserved for poor people.

  • Posted By: thejunkman @ 12/14/2007 12:08:36 PM

    We are commodities in the eyes of our government and the corporations that support it. As commodities we are valued in two ways: present and future value.
    What values does an obese unemployed woman with no education living in a rural area have? Does she pay taxes to the government? Does she own stock in major corporations? Is there any chance she will likely rise above her present condition?
    Why does Bush keep vetoing the healthcare bill? Because most people with value already have health insurance, that???s way. We don???t need any more poor Americans. There are plenty of poor across the border ready to come here and work, they have a future value to us.

    • Posted By: William.Demuth @ 12/14/2007 12:18:24 PM

      Another logical post! Capitalisim's sinister face exposed again. I love it

  • Posted By: Nemonic @ 12/14/2007 10:05:17 AM

    This is why localization is a good thing. The idea of a global economy with everyone working together to help everyone else is quant but the bigger the system gets the more people fall through the cracks. Things like this didn't happen nearly as often 60 years ago, people may have been poor but at least they had the common sense to grow their own food and were much healthier as a result. One can't rely on the government for food and clothes, because this is what happens when you do. If you want a good introduction into the world of food production and how horrible it is in the US watch King Korn.

  • Posted By: Bornita @ 12/12/2007 9:34:50 PM

    Another reason behind suicidal eating habits: Marketing. How many billions do large corporations spend to literally brainwash grown-ups but mostly children to buy their poison, made in sweatfactories and poisonous farmland, probably grown by children in South America...etc. They pollute our minds with their advertising. They use their own psychological laboratories to do it. Advertising unhealthy food is another thing that should be banned. Of course companies like Mcdonalds and Coca-Cola should be taxed instead to pay for ads and marketing for healthy food and exercise.

    • Posted By: William.Demuth @ 12/13/2007 8:36:51 AM

      Perhaps if you dropped cable you could afford more vegetables? I assure you, if you have a market to offer someone will sell to it. Be it sex, drugs, or greasy hamburgers. So before you think tax is the solution I suggest you spend a while in Brooklyn and learn what will happen when you try and deny people what they want. You see they have learned how to cater to the whim of the market, and they control BILLIONS of dollars in off book assets. Some of them would like nothing more than to add dime bags of french fries to their street corner offerings!

      • Posted By: Bornita @ 12/13/2007 10:16:29 PM

        Of course, but I get enough to eat and I live with other people who watch cable. But I mute or switch the channel always, I have very low tolerance towards what I think is unethical marketing (marketing towards children, playing on insecurities and the million things the big corporations do.) Perhaps education about healthy lifestyle is the answer. Through media and in school and work places. You see need is often times shrewdly created and like for example when they see their idols eating these unhealthy things. It's parents versus multi-national corporations. Advertising doesn't just come from cable-TV. I get exposed in the public transport and while walking on the streets. Plastic bags are a way for McDonald's and Co. to expose their brand. You are already paying most of your tax money to chasing Usama in Iraq, so maybe smarter allocation would be a way. I think the people in Brooklyn want FRENCH FRIES because they don't know that they suffer from malnutrition if they eat them, or what malnutrition does in the long run (and obesity of course). Mal-nutrition could make people more aggressive I think because the body can switch to adrenaline if it doesn't get enough calories. Certainly would explain why people in Africa have weapons but almost no food... Don't EVER drink Coke- a bottle of 1 1/2 litre contains about 44 teaspoons of sugar. That is here, so your Coke is probably worse. Also consider this: If everybody consumed like Americans did we would need 6 planets.

        • Posted By: William.Demuth @ 12/14/2007 8:50:56 AM

          Good lord! You are making me laugh!. It's been years since I laughed like that. Americans don't have food? That bottled water your drinking has made you a fool. American industry feeds this planet. Hell we simply tolerate Europe because they buy so much of our crap! The COMBINED economies of the EU are not even a small piece of ours. In case no one has told you, we OWN you.

          • Posted By: William.Demuth @ 12/14/2007 9:17:39 AM

            Actually if we simply had less European liberals we could expand. We don't need more planets, we need less people. Perhaps a reunited Germany wasn't such a bad idea after all!

  • Posted By: William.Demuth @ 12/13/2007 8:22:09 AM

    I have no scorn for the poor, I spent most of my childhood amongst them and I have seen their suffering. That is why I do what I do. I have been working 60 to 70 hour work weeks for well over a quarter of a century. I have dug ditches, ran numbers, telemarketed, shoveled snow and even collected beer cans for the deposit money. I have lost everything on more than one occasion, but I refused to lay down. I have actually worked three jobs concurrently at one point. I have raised two children, one who is studying medicine and one who wants to be a soldier, and I did it with just myself and my wife. I have had my home burn to the ground, have had two suicides in my family and had a premature child who was desperately ill all in the period of one year. I have been unemployed, have seen companies go bust, and watched entire industries collapse. All this has taught me one thing. If the world knocks you down, get up quick or your dead meat. We can not permit youthful illusions or socialist propaganda to cloud the issue. If people truly can not provide for themselves then the state must provide nothing more than basic sustenance, but for those who refuse to take care of themselves all the state is obligated to provide is a cremation. As for those of you who want to take what I have worked for and give it to someone else I need point out one obvious fact you may have overlooked. I will simply take it back! You could divide all the wealth equally across the planet, and within a few years it would be back in the hands of those who had it in the first place. It is merely economic Darwinism, and only the strong will survive.

    • Posted By: Bornita @ 12/13/2007 10:58:34 PM

      Sure only the strong will survive in US, but that is the reason why you can't afford your medicins and why you live in fast food land. That is why a lot of countries regulate the companies so that they don't end up with a giant monsters in the end. What do you think about that?

      • Posted By: William.Demuth @ 12/14/2007 8:42:19 AM

        I think the Chineese are going to LOVE you. You just keep regulating industry, and they will be more than happy to swallow you whole.

      • Posted By: William.Demuth @ 12/14/2007 8:38:16 AM

        And that is why we have been forced to save your continent twice in the past century. You guys have a tendency to let your mouths write checks that your militaries can't cash. Now you are doing the same with your social services, and its a good thing, because you can have all the anti-anxiety medicine you need to endure the Chineese occupation that is to soon come.

    • Posted By: pinkpanther87413 @ 12/13/2007 11:26:55 AM

      so i see you awuful gald the is a statute of limitations on your youth but as stated if youv've never been kicked hard and held down so you got no clue i did the same you did with kids on less than 20,000 a year for over 20 big deal one IS in the Army and the other helps care for me and works 50 hrs a week just to get his rent paid and 5 roomies live there! Sold drugs, and right there you would assume im a criminal but unlike you ,I'M NOT ABLE TO BREAK THE LAW AT THE EXPENSE OF LOOSING MY KIDS as you were! its the day after who we going to plunder today what social group would you like to allienate from your country??

      • Posted By: William.Demuth @ 12/13/2007 11:49:04 AM

        You may not realize this, but I am on your side. For you, or anyone in your circumstances to get a fair shake they either must break the rules, or be broken by them. No end of rationalization shall ever convince me that someone deserves more than my own, and although I work hard, I have never claimed I play by the rules. I will have my fair share, period. If the rules are to my advantage I support them, if not, I ignore them.

  • Posted By: angelus1967 @ 12/13/2007 10:40:33 AM

    Many of you seem to think that we should not do anything at all for the poor and disenfranchised in this country. William Darmuth leads the charge, calling himself a fascist and when someone mentioned Hitler this man said if that's what it takes. I don't want to support able bodied people who choose not to work but at the same time I don't think that we can leave people to starve. We are not that kind of country. Some of you told them to grow a garden which is not always an option; I enjoy gardening and am very good at it but if I would've had to count on this summers garden I would've starved. It was a bad year between the heat and lack of water.
    I don't have all of the answers but we do need to have some compassion for those who are less fortunate or are unable to take care of themselves. If not we may as well embrace euthanasia and give our country to fascists like William Demuth. I for one do not want to be here when that happens.

    • Posted By: JLWEAVER1 @ 12/13/2007 4:10:27 PM

      It's so nice to see that someone on this debate board is compassionate twords thier fellow citizens. I totally agree with your comments regarding Demuth's statements. I just don't understand how someone, who's vocabulary makes him seem so educated, can use his knowladge in such a demeaning and negative way.

      • Posted By: William.Demuth @ 12/14/2007 8:07:04 AM

        Thanks I Guess! , I actually thought my posts seemed illiterate due to my frustration. Perhaps you may have missed something. What I speak is the truth. While I rarely agree with what the world has become, I WILL NOT pretend it is anything other than what it is. I too believe the world can change, but crying the blues accomplishes nothing. For all the children I see in these postings, who believe the challenges are simple, I ask you to grow up. Our world is at a pivotal point in it's history and those who realize destiny is in the air are shaping tomorrows world. I realize this, and therefore become infuriated when I hear people spout socialist nonsense. I believe we have the means to elevate this entire planet within my lifetime, but alas my years are winding down, and not only have we not moved forward, I see we are actually moving backwards. Before you can change anything, you need to understand the reality on the ground.

  • Posted By: ploughman @ 12/12/2007 2:18:08 PM

    We're going to keep spiraling downward on the health problems as long as we keep doing what we have been doing, i.e. blame the individual. Conservatives and libertarians have been doing that for years and we've been getting crummy results for years...what makes them think that if we stick with that approach things are going to change?

    In addition to the car-less lady cited in the story, there are tons of people working $10-an-hour McJobs who have to maintain a car because their workplace is not within walking distance. Sprawling suburbs and rural areas practically guarantee this as a requirement, and cars are extremely expensive. Car pool? Not when the McJobs don't have the same hours every day. Public transit? Only if you're lucky. With gas around $3, guess what's one of the items that gets cut? That's right - food. For the cost of 2 apples you might get a whole pack of Little Debbie Snack cakes. Or look at college students near the end of spring quarter...sometimes you see ramen noodles or those awful 99-cent frozen pizzas.

    • Posted By: ottomann @ 12/12/2007 2:23:41 PM

      Sorry Ploughman but if you took a moment to do the math, you'll see that your argument doesn't add up...see my post below.

      • Posted By: cmullis2000@yahoo.com @ 12/12/2007 2:30:40 PM

        we republicans figured you nanny liberals would solved all the po folks problems by now. WITH OUR MONEY!!! communist plowBOY

        • Posted By: Bornita @ 12/14/2007 12:46:10 AM

          Too much petrol fumes from oil fields in Texas?

    • Posted By: CommonSense1 @ 12/12/2007 3:34:38 PM

      How you can compare the eating habits of an obese, "low food security" population earning a median income of $30k a year to the temporary eating habits of college students is beyond me. Your argument is ineffective by using unrelated comparisons - you're comparing apples to, say, Little Debbie Snack Cakes.

    • Posted By: William.Demuth @ 12/12/2007 2:31:31 PM

      I hate to now sound like an Anarchist, but I would just LOVE some government idiot to try and legislate what foods we can and can't eat. As I recall the last time they tried that with prohibition, my ancestors seized enough wealth to live comfortably for generations by giving the people what they want. I truly hope they try again! Be it booze, prostitutes, cocaine, porno or any other commodity, the more they tax it or try to ban it, the more profitable it becomes.

  • Posted By: JLWEAVER1 @ 12/12/2007 2:54:24 PM

    I don't deny the fact that people today are obese because they choose to eat unhealthy foods. I would like to point out the fact that eating healthy comes with a high price to pay. It is much cheaper to get fast food/junk food than it is to buy enough vegetables to make a salad. I think that it is rediculous that some of you are making comments that obese people are lazy and reaping the benefits of welfare. I just don't understand how the conversation went from unhealthy eating habits in rural America to "buying welfare bums cadillacs?"
    By the way I am 5'9" 145lbs, I live in the country, and have a good job. That comment was for the few of you who would try to disect my statements and turn the around to be a plea for my own defense.

    • Posted By: William.Demuth @ 12/12/2007 3:13:18 PM

      While I applaud your calm demeanor, I must disagree. The debate was about what to do about it.Some like myself said so what, but many think the government has a role, but wont admit that it is a borderline welfare like big brother mind set. Some of us see this as propaganda supporting more farm subsidies and more big government and have seen these absurd unfunded Marxist mindsets screw us up in the past.

      Perhaps, and its a big perhaps, if these people where presented as malnourished it might engender more compassion, but the article stipulates obesity. Obesity is not a disease, but rather a self inflicted condition. Even if the quality of the food available is atrocious, moderation in consumption would end the obesity and it wouldn't cost us a cent. Once that debate began, many with a sense of entitlement came forward laying further claims to other peoples monies and it decayed into leftist versus rightist.

      • Posted By: Bornita @ 12/13/2007 1:00:20 AM

        It's really hard to be hungry though.

        • Posted By: Bornita @ 12/13/2007 2:15:51 AM

          If people can't afford/access healthy food it's not a self-inflicted problem. You should put your politicians against the wall and demand it! Here people are excellent at doing that, especially the media and I think that is why we have better food and longer, healthier lives. I know a woman who is in her late eighties and who is in better health than me. She walks abt 4 km a day. Politicians are not being paid to be ornaments (their too old and ugly for that) they are there to do their job! I can hear philosophical words from somewhere else.

          • Posted By: William.Demuth @ 12/13/2007 10:35:52 AM

            My politicians are bought and paid for. Their job is to maintain the Status Quo. We certainly don't need anyone shaking the money tree right before harvest do we?

            • Posted By: cagday @ 12/13/2007 1:03:44 PM

              God there should be a gag ordser on your comments William Demuth. POLITICIANS are elected BY the people and FOR the people we still live in a democratic country the last time I checked. OUR elected officials are there just to SHAKE things up and change the policies for the better, if they jsut go but STATUS Quo they should be kicked out of office. That is the problem to many lazy people here that dont care so the politicians can get away with murder. IE George Bush one of the dumbest persons ever to live on this planet, that is scary. THE governement should fear the people not the other way around which unfortunelty is the way it is now.

              • Posted By: Bornita @ 12/14/2007 12:43:14 AM

                Well he doesn't make racist comments like others on this website. He has the right to voice his opinion. That's democracy. I agree with the both of you. Democracy is inferior in U.S I think, because the voters seem to be almost impossibly stupid. Of course it's human nature to support a country's leader when there is an emergency, but almost the whole was against outright war in Iraq from the first second they started discussing it. Americans only realized what most of us understood, only about 3 years later. The war have really made tragic comedians out of U.S people. The total confusion is unbelievable. Of course you have suffered too, but it is self-inflicted. I never thought you would vote for that person, he looks like he should be waiting tables at a restaurant instead of being USAs representative. And you voted for him twice. I guess that's how you want to be seen. But I guess it's hard to be the son of a president and have your dad's friends in your office. I know this whole thing is off topic. I will stop now.

              • Posted By: William.Demuth @ 12/13/2007 2:21:40 PM

                You are joking right? Perhaps you have overlooked the past 100 years of American history? And I suggest you check again about the nature of our government, it is no more a democracy the Venezuela is.The government IS the people, and frankly that is why it terrifies me. You are a commodity, and based on supply and demand, not a particularly useful one. Babble all you want about the will of the people and then turn on MTV, it was designed for people just like you! Your Chetos are waiting!

            • Posted By: Bornita @ 12/14/2007 12:25:44 AM

              Right!

      • Posted By: JLWEAVER1 @ 12/12/2007 3:45:16 PM

        I agree that people would be more compassionate if these people were being presented as malnourashed but there are other causes of obesity, not just over-eating(which this particular article as well as the comments of others) are placing the blame. Thus, not making it totally self inflicted. Also, there are obese people out there making their own money. They aren't just living on welfare.

        • Posted By: William.Demuth @ 12/12/2007 3:59:53 PM

          Being larger than most imported cars, I can appreciate that sentiment. My issue is not the Little Debbie Snack Cakes versus the salad, my issue is I indulge in both. I too often make less than optimum choices, but I pay my own way!

          • Posted By: Bornita @ 12/13/2007 2:04:09 AM

            Think about the unhealthy food as a heart attack.

  • Posted By: William.Demuth @ 12/12/2007 4:46:44 PM

    Where I came from people where coddled. Kids who where illiterate where promoted year after year, and the culture determined a mans value not by the strength of his will, but bye the brand of his sneaker. Young girls lay with old men and bore children like rats, and then ran to the government asking them to feed the hungry babies. These babies then grew up watching the sole parent stay at home and get high. Needless to say, these children are now either in prison, or dead in the streets. Please do not bet the future of rural America on the failed urban policies of the past. Self sufficiency is the ONLY way out of poverty, and if any of you are foolish enough to believe the US government can save you when you refuse to save yourselves, your destinies are preordained. Just do us a favor and don't make any more ignorant children, we have all the burger flippers we need, and besides Mexicans are cheaper in the long run.

    • Posted By: Bornita @ 12/13/2007 11:25:10 PM

      I agree. Make intelligent students, not war.

  • Posted By: tanmany2k @ 12/12/2007 5:23:22 PM

    Low food security sounds to me like a bunch of bull. However, this type of stereotyping people in fly over country is nothing new for this magazine. Convenient stores sell gas, lottery tickets, beer and wine. It's easily understandable why there is such a higher percentage of convenient stores. Food is important to fat people in the cities just as well as rural areas. I sat across from a morbidly obese woman at a party this past weekend. She sat at my table because it was the only table with nothing behind it so she was able to easily enter, exit and also just sit. She ordered real cola instead of diet. Her major concern from the moment she arrived until dessert was served was what food would be served. She had two appetizer plates of meatballs etc. Her husband had to bring her the food because of her back problems. She did not eat salad at all. Then she had cheesecake and chocolate cake. She isn't from a rural area and doesn't live in one now. She can't stop herself from eating all she can eat. Even with all of her health problems due to weight, she cannot stop. She is responsible for this behavior and the government cannot help her. I feel extremely bad for her because she can't stop herself right now. But I think this website is promoting stereotypes. People in New York city have the same issues so why are you singling out rural people with this stereotype of rural people and blacks.

    • Posted By: Bornita @ 12/13/2007 12:04:20 AM

      You don't know the person so don't pass judgement. There are millions of factors that play in to a persons behaviour. You sat across the table from her and you were unable to sell the healthy food to her. I however influence people to eat better and LOTS of people have changed lifestyle cos of ME!!! :P ;)

      • Posted By: tanmany2k @ 12/13/2007 7:57:05 PM

        You say to not pass judgement which I wasn''t by the way. I would say that you are the person with no compassion. What are you the food police? I would never tell a stranger that they should not be eating so much or that they need to skip the cake for the salad. Are you kidding me? The media tries to portray middle America as a bunch of fat lazy people that only eat chips and don't exercise. I think Newsweek has overlooked a large of 'rural' Americans. We have 'fruit and vegetable' markets here. We freeze things like corn, green beans and we can tomatoes, jelly, pappers. Then we eat it all year. Most summers our friends come over and we work on everything together...the men and the women. When you buy food by the bushel then you would be surprised by how much cheaper it is.

        • Posted By: Bornita @ 12/13/2007 11:19:18 PM

          Btw it sounds really sweet what you are describing. I would love to grow and share food. However not can and refridgerate. Is it possible to eat fresh seasonal food all year? I want to keep my climate and environmental impact low. I have a carbon footprint of below a tonne a the moment, but I feel bad about using electrical freezing in a cold country, while poor people in hot (and heating) countries do not.

        • Posted By: Bornita @ 12/13/2007 11:07:58 PM

          You wouldn't tell a stranger to try the vegetables but you will backchat them demeaningly on an online site? Hmm.

    • Posted By: Bornita @ 12/13/2007 11:11:56 PM

      Not only do people have to worry about psysical problems from food, they have to worry about being watched. Talking about what individual people eat is certainly not classy.

    • Posted By: Bornita @ 12/13/2007 12:07:37 AM

      Btw two appetizer plates of meat balls and cheese cake and choclate cake seems like about half of what I eat. I never drink diet Coke it's disgusting. Try water or green tea.

  • Posted By: skinnyminny2 @ 12/12/2007 6:00:13 PM

    Of course cultivation won't work if one is not healthy enough to tend a garden....but, most people are. They just won't. In rural communities I've lived in, we helped our neighbors who needed it, whether it was getting things for them or giving them a ride to the store. I was merely referring to those who can change their diets but instead of doing so, they make excuses to eat garbage.

    • Posted By: Bornita @ 12/13/2007 12:47:57 AM

      I don't know much about gardening, any idea about how I might get started?

      • Posted By: pinkpanther87413 @ 12/13/2007 1:00:24 AM

        with what you have said you like to eat a window box herb garden would get your thumb a tad green. no insult intended.

        • Posted By: Bornita @ 12/13/2007 1:29:58 AM

          Good idea. thank you. I hope I can do that.

          • Posted By: jqeskimo @ 12/13/2007 10:16:06 AM

            A herb garden will be good for seasoning food, but not for produce. A good place to start is tomatoes. You can buy a packet of seeds for less than a dollar. put a few tomato seeds in a medium sized pot with a mixture of potting soil and top soil. put it where it will get sun and water it once a day. This one little project will put out enough tomatoes for you and a friend all season long. you wanna wait til spring to start this though. There are plenty of vegetables that are that easy to grow. depending on what state you live in, the possibilities are endless. You can grow veggies all through the spring, summer and part of fall and have enough to last you through the winter.

            • Posted By: Bornita @ 12/13/2007 11:04:44 PM

              My mother used to grow tomatoes. I'm really very inspired. I hope lots of people improve their life-style after discussing the issues here.

            • Posted By: vateacher @ 12/13/2007 10:55:28 AM

              Thank you, jqeskimo, for making positive solutions to problems, rather than criticizing those who suffer from them.

            • Posted By: vateacher @ 12/13/2007 10:53:36 AM

              Thank you, jqeskimo, for offering postive suggestions to help solve problems, rather than criticizing those who suffer from them.

  • Posted By: amosdee @ 12/12/2007 9:23:40 AM

    I'm really surprised at the comments I've read. If you live in a rural area, like me, you can't just walk to a grocery store and carry back shopping bags full of groceries, broberts01. I live in rural Mississippi, fortunately, my family owns property and we do raise a garden. We also share with our neighbors. However, poverty is rampant in our area. Most of our neighbors don't own the property where they live. And gas being $3.00 a gallon and minimum wage being $5.85 an hour, I don't see these people buying property an time soon.
    The idea of buying food on the internet is just wrong, William. The article is about poor people. I don't know many poor people with internet access and a credit card, do you? I think the real answer is education and a willingness to change their own lifestyle.

    • Posted By: William.Demuth @ 12/12/2007 9:56:59 AM

      Your false assumption is that poor people are forced to stay poor. Few were ever as poor as on the streets of New York in my time, and that place bred a type of person who if they survived, now has the world in their hands. Any attempt by people to claim charity is the solution makes me both angry and sad. Those who took charity are either dead or still destitute, but those who refused to be defeated ignored or coddled now rule over empires. Of course it requires effort perhaps greater than most are willing to make, but to those of us who have endured the unendurable that seems more of an opportunity than a burden.

      • Posted By: angelus1967 @ 12/12/2007 1:18:23 PM

        I don't know you at all, obviously but I do not believe that you "endured the unendurable" and have raised yourself up by your own will and effort but have no compassion at all for your fellow man. I too lived in deep poverty for several years with my wife and children, I too worked my ass off to make it out of that, but I still have compassion in my heart along with the knowledge that not all can do that. You say that people should move if they are in an area with few opportunities; I would like to know how. If there isn't money for food or a car there is no money to move. You can put forth all of the effort in the world and not get anywhere. My family helped us immensly, no money but lots of support. Childcare, occaisional meals, job connections, anything they could do for uas short of a handout but not all people are that fortunate. If you have nothing and no one the poverty and the world (and lack of compassin form anyone) can grind you down and make you feel hopeless and helpless.

        • Posted By: William.Demuth @ 12/12/2007 4:18:45 PM

          And as far as enduring the unendurable, I offer two words. Jimmy Carter. Nuff Said!

          • Posted By: angelus1967 @ 12/13/2007 9:09:17 AM

            Jimmy Carter was enduring the unendurable?!?! I lived through his administration as did the rest of my family and I don't think that ANY of them would call it "enduring the unendurable". That is a silly statement at best.....

            • Posted By: William.Demuth @ 12/13/2007 2:33:08 PM

              Well. Roslyn was kind of hot. But the Billy Beer was worse than Piels!

        • Posted By: William.Demuth @ 12/12/2007 1:36:14 PM

          But what is your point? Do you have a practical alternative? Or is it just easier for some to fail than for others?

  • Posted By: reporter21 @ 12/13/2007 2:20:15 PM

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  • Posted By: dewcooper @ 12/13/2007 1:25:50 PM

    I will agree with only one aspect of the article: it does cost more, in dollars, to eat healthy. While you may save in the long run on doctor's visits, medicine, etc., the shopping bill is higher when you shop the outside of the supermarket.

  • Posted By: cmullis2000@yahoo.com @ 12/12/2007 2:24:35 PM

    Gee whiz, maybe we could buy these welfare bums a nice new cadillac so dey coud drive to da groshry sto. Or better yet, lets send chauffered limosines to take em to and fro. you newsweek idiots are either incredibly stupid or you think we are. i bet its both.

    • Posted By: cagday @ 12/13/2007 1:07:19 PM

      I would say its you cmullis2000 by what you have just written either you are very stupid and cant spell or you are imitating someone who is a moron, both are not good. I am thinking that is the latter becasue i have to believe noone can be as stupid to write what you just wrote.

  • Posted By: animallvr @ 12/12/2007 11:11:47 AM

    Response to jqeskimo - You are unsympethetic and cold hearted. The woman the article mentioned weighs 240 pounds with Type II diabetes. She has to WALK a great distance to get her groceries. If she is like my mother that is a monumental undertaking because the weight affects her joints. Her health probably makes vegetable gardening too difficult and who says she has enough land to have a garden much less a cow (which she would have to afford to feed). Your comments are idiotic and you should count yourself lucky that you grew up as you did. My mother is in the same situation and lives with me. She lost her drivers license because her diabetes affects her vision. She depends on me to help her; what about the people who can't depend on their families? My heart goes out to the woman in the artilcle and others like her.

    • Posted By: William.Demuth @ 12/12/2007 11:38:46 AM

      I would like to offer approval for your efforts with your mom, she has raised you well. Alas I must disagree that those who don't have families to provide for them are somehow my problem (Or the governments problem) and I am surprised at people believing that makes someone cold hearted.

      For many years churches provided for these people, but today's criminal preachers merely exploit them, and I am sure many have little, but regrettably that changes nothing.

      If we try to make people who work hard carry the burden of those who don't, the hard workers will also stop being productive. It is a sad lesson, but history tells us it is the truth. If I am to pay for someone today, who shall pay for me tomorrow? We must FORCE people to be cognizant of societies basic rules, basically by scaring the hell out of them. Then and only then will those who can be saved be saved. Otherwise if we provide an endless safety net, where peoples needs are met regardless of any other factor, within a generation our whole society shall be languishing in that net.

      • Posted By: Theresa_in_IN @ 12/12/2007 12:53:59 PM

        This is a load of bs and anyone who saw sicko can see right through this line of crap. Our health care industry is a fpr-profit system so only those who can afford get the care they need. Other countries recognize the basic principle that you need to take care of everyone in your society and not just the privileged few with money. We should have a safety net where people can get their basic himan needs met. Anything else is just heartless or cold-hearted. Your comment about productivity is the most laughable things I;ve heard all week. Productivy has risen every year and is at the highest it has ever been but wages do not increase with productivity. So, hmmm, if wages don;t increase one would predict (along your line of reasoning) that productivity would fall and the "hard workers" woudl cease working hard and all of scoiety would be doomed. Hasn't happened in decades and the capitalists are still making money hand over fist while the middle class is becoming poorer.

        • Posted By: William.Demuth @ 12/12/2007 1:24:35 PM

          Anyone who saw Sicko? Please, don't be ludicrous. It's socialist propaganda. As for the worker being taken advantage of it's am unavoidable fact of life, just ask Mr. Marx. What I am trying to get across is not to work harder, but to work SMARTER. I do not believe our current system is equitable, but I choose to prosper under it anyhow. Of course some will get more than others, that will happen under any system, but under ours most can get what they need, and a few can do quite well. I just suggest that you make efforts to be one of the few. That is unless you intend to return to the glorious revolution? In case no one has told you, the last great socialist revolution failed, and was directly responsible for the death of half a billion people. Create whatever socialist utopia you care to, but don't believe for a moment I will pay for it. And if the total truth be known, whatever system exists, both I and those like me will exploit it to our advantage and the majority of mankind wont.

          • Posted By: angelus1967 @ 12/12/2007 1:49:15 PM

            Ah, there is a rarity in our midst, a pure capitalist. You believe that it is entirely up to the individual to determine his/her earnning level as we can just "decide" to be higher on the food chain. We should not take care of our fellow human beingbecause we are here to look out for ourselves and maybe, if they are lucky, our family members. That doesn't count the kids once they hit 18 of course then they are on their own so I can amass more wealth.
            You are a sad individual Mr. Demuth. I truly hope that you are never in need of help due to illness or injury. The world might not give it to the likes of you.

            • Posted By: William.Demuth @ 12/12/2007 2:04:30 PM

              Actually, I abhor Capitalism and am in fact a Fascist. I merely am playing the hand I am dealt, and I intend to win by any and all means. As for help, I do not expect it, nor claim to deserve it. My fate is in my own hands. The same applies to all of you.

              • Posted By: cmullis2000@yahoo.com @ 12/12/2007 3:23:39 PM

                here here hitler

                • Posted By: William.Demuth @ 12/12/2007 3:35:39 PM

                  If need be! But thanks for the other remarks, they seem well formed

                  • Posted By: angelus1967 @ 12/13/2007 9:12:13 AM

                    As I stated before, your klind is not even worth the time to speak to. You feel you are better than anyone else on the planet and feel that you need follow no rules or feel compassion for anyone.
                    What a waste of air you are.....

                    • Posted By: William.Demuth @ 12/13/2007 10:28:35 AM

                      Again, I must point out I never asked for your opinion. So please return to your labors, I require more profit.

                      • Posted By: angelus1967 @ 12/13/2007 10:48:30 AM

                        You don't profit from me. But now I am finding you amusing. In fact, the more I read the funnier you get! I especially like the comment about serfs and the feudal system. You are a true throwback I guess.
                        For some reason I find myself wondering how much of what you write is what you truly believe and how much is being used to troll for responses. Either way, you do have some interesting things to say even if I do not agree with most of them.

        • Posted By: cmullis2000@yahoo.com @ 12/12/2007 3:21:14 PM

          ok teresa, will you pay my healthcare premiums? i didnt think so

      • Posted By: pinkpanther87413 @ 12/12/2007 11:50:45 AM

        the church you so much love to tout slammed there doors on Nam Vets as soon as we got home the church does not care for anyone just the simple charities with religious names does not make them a church just good people unlike you

        • Posted By: William.Demuth @ 12/12/2007 12:21:37 PM

          You are confused. I am an atheist, so claiming I love churches is absurd. Churches are apparently more common than grocery stores in rural America, and I personally suspect that is part of the problem, rather than the solution. As for Vietnam veterans, I agree they never received their due, and probably never will. I suspect that Iraqi vets also face the same fate.

          • Posted By: pinkpanther87413 @ 12/12/2007 12:32:48 PM

            the only Iraqui Vets who will be treated as a Nam Vet are the ones who were there in the late 70 early 80 training arming and funding the Al-Queda! The current Veterans will never suffer the same fate, as to many Nam Vet are now armed, and will shoot an idiot at any given time!! these boys comming home have been given the shaft by only one source-our own government but not the people as it should be! I find it sad that you now attack the Nam Vets all over again for comming home Disabled and how they are choiceless in what they get to call life or health or food!

      • Posted By: pinkpanther87413 @ 12/12/2007 11:47:54 AM

        yet another country i can't wait to see in my lifestyle if hit by a car then you would see a different color as u will become lazy and uneducated to work for employers who will never hire you

    • Posted By: cmullis2000@yahoo.com @ 12/12/2007 3:16:15 PM

      forget your heart going out to her, howsa bout buying her a new car. or better yet give her yours. now thats compassion

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