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  • Posted By: truthseeker06 @ 12/16/2007 7:29:41 PM

    Doglover23, from MO (location of many puppy mills, incidentally), is wrong about HSUS agenda for a pet-free world. I looked everywhere on their website - no way! They promote healthy pet ownership! Either "Doglover23" made up his "facts" or just believed someone else who made them up. Either way, he didn't check it out for himself! By the way, I adopted a former puppy mill dog from an Ohio mill. Poor thing - he had a very bad broken leg which no one had bothered to treat! Probably came from falling through one of those wire cages.

  • Posted By: Dealmaker44 @ 12/16/2007 7:29:33 PM

    PLEASE ANSWER WITH A YES OR NO.
    Is breeding a dog EVERY HEAT cruel!
    Dogs are in heat every 4 to 7 months, with gestation approx. 62 days? PLEASE ANSWER TRUTHFULLY.

  • Posted By: Cadie @ 12/16/2007 7:20:43 PM

    Regardless of whether a breeder is a responsible one, at this point is irrelevent. The fact remains that there
    is an over population of dogs and cats and it is because of humans. I urge each and every animal
    breeder to fine another way to make a living. If you love animals that would be the automatic response
    one would have.
    Can't breeders find another profession and stop the flow of the

  • Posted By: mikeytigerlucy @ 12/16/2007 7:14:31 PM

    this is to sylvikoso: Yes, people have to make a living...however they don't have to do it at the expense of another living creature. I'm not a religious person, but I truly believe that we (humans and animals) are here for some purpose. To treat another species like a commodity without regard to their circumstances is horrible. I find your comment morally reprehensible.

  • Posted By: mcooper50 @ 12/16/2007 7:14:28 PM

    I will always go to a no-kill shelter for a new pet, dog or cat. I got my current dog, obviously the runt of his litter, from one 3 years ago, and he has been the apple of my 11 yr old son's eye, even though he's grown to 70lbs., as opposed to the 40-45 they said. He also took to our two grandbabies, ages 1.5 and 8 months whom we keep for their parents during the day, immediately. He steals Cheerios and Ritz crackers from them, and sometimes they just give them to him. NO PUPPY MILLS! That's just under dogfighting in my opinion.

  • Posted By: Founder-AmericanPetCross @ 12/16/2007 3:55:15 AM

    As the Founder of American Pet Cross, www.americanpetcross.com, my position is pretty clear: We think these people should be eradicated from the commercial business area. We are proposing through our organization that legislation be introduced in all 50 states that would require the following:
    1. Breeders: All breeders should be subjected to rigid state standards of space, cleanlines, water, heat , air conditioning, and medical attention. Documents showing the number of times an animal has been bred and the location those puppies were set to and prices paid. Breeders should be subject to minimal quarterly inspections and random spot inspections with the abilities of inspectors to close the facility immediately. Our contact for the general public is breederwatch@apc.com and we will send film and video to the appropriate authorities. Violations of these standards would result in a felony conviction and jail time of at least 1 year. The breeder would not be allowed to breed again without going throug extensive training and licensing in kennel operations.
    2. Pet Shops- Pet Shops should be made to disclose their source of animals and the records of breeders. A national website should be created by the industry showing reputable breeders and their current ratings.
    Breeders who fail to disclose their source of animals or who violate standars would be subject to felony trafficking charges of animals wit mandatory jail time.
    3. Inspectors- States should apply to The Federal Government for Grants to establish educational courses and training as well as hiring of additional inspectors. Euthanasia costs in the United States are approaching 3 billion per year in known costs. Much of the euthanisia is due to returned or abandoned animals as well as improper spay and neuter clinics.

    Our organization is offering $5,000 per event where the reporting of a breeder leads to the investigation, arrest, indictment and conviction of breeders violating standards.
    If we all work together, we can cut this business by 80% in less than 5 years.

    Dan Taylor, Founder@americanpetcross.com

    • Posted By: urnotserius @ 12/16/2007 7:12:03 PM

      Dan: If this legislation passes, sign me up for the inspector job. I would cherish the opportunity to put a stop on any kind of animal cruelty, and particularly puppy mills. Keep up the good work.
      Dan Berghamer

  • Posted By: justplainme @ 12/16/2007 6:38:17 PM

    As a person who has been involved in the rescue of dogs from some of these mills, I applaude this information being brought to public attention. As for finding "full bred" dogs, yes you can find them at shelters. They may not be available every day but they are there. And, you can also adopt from a breed rescue. One person commented on the "screening" done by the shelter. The same type of screening and application process is done by rescue groups. That is not to make it difficult for you to adopt but rather to hopefully find a good home for a dog that has already come out of a bad situation. You would be surprised how many people will apply to adopt a dog and then tell us "we had 3 dogs before now but they were all killed by other dogs because we think keeping a dog in a fence is cruel" or "we live on 10 acres but the dog still got on the road and got run over." So, yes we do prefer people with fences or a track record of being a responsible owner. Buying from a REPUTABLE breeder is an excellent way to get a good, healthy dog. But anyone who is selling dogs and won't allow you to come to their place of business and see the WHOLE place is questionable at best. Pet stores typically buy puppy mill dogs because millers sell cheap and the shops can then put a high price on the dogs a make big money. Millers don't care if dogs are healthy so many times the person buying the dog ends up with a dog with a lot of expensive or terminal health issues to be dealt with. This can be because the mother dogs were not properly nourished during pregnancy or the puppies were not given good food and nutrition during development. It is sad that so much of the illnesses and deformities of these animals could be avoided with just a little care but millers don't want to spend one more cent on a dog than they have to. So, the bottom line is, as with most things, we can either be part of the problem or part of the solution. All it takes is people getting their pets from good, honest breeders, rescue groups or yes, shelters. It is true there are fewer "pure bred" dogs in shelters but if you will save one of these precious "mixed breed" dogs, you will get as much love, loyalty and devotion as the most expensive, pure bred dog could ever give you.

    • Posted By: abbysue1998 @ 12/16/2007 7:09:52 PM

      I couldn't have said it better. Quality, healthy pruebreed dogs can be found for adoption. They can also be fround from breeders who do not run their operation as a "puppy mill". The interested dog owner needs to take it upon themselves to be educated. Do your research, go to the breeders' home/place of operation, and boycott those breeders who do not run humane, quality operations. Just because a puppy is advertised in the classifieds or online does not nessicarily mean it is from a puppy mill. Look for phrases like "home raised" and then go see for yourself! If they are not being honest with you, don't give them your business.

  • Posted By: sylvikoso @ 12/16/2007 7:00:09 PM

    too bad for the dogs, people have to make a living also.

    • Posted By: justplainme @ 12/16/2007 7:06:56 PM

      yes, people do have to make a living. But, why can't they do it in an honest, ethical way? Denying people the right to raise dogs is not the issue here, how they treat the dogs is. I have 4 dogs here that were rescued from mills. One, from a MO mill was in a building with crates 5 high. The upper dogs peed and pooped and it ran down on the lower dogs,e tc. The ones in lower cages were so burned it was pathetic. THIS is an example of what a miller will do to "make a living." Thankfully, this mill was busted and shut down and the people charged with animal cruetly. The situation was horrible and there is no excuse for such actions.

  • Posted By: Floridaboy @ 12/16/2007 7:04:58 PM

    To Doglover23, your comment about HSUS promoting a pet free agenda is fantasy. I worked in a shelter for 24 years and relied on them to help me . You are making this up. You live in MO, so are you involved with puppymills and trying to blow smoke at us? You live in the worst puppymill state in the US. HSUS is committed to cleaning up this sordid industry. I am going ot give them my donation and support to do so.

  • Posted By: Animallover @ 12/16/2007 4:49:52 PM

    FREE ADVERTISING FOR PETSMART!!! I worked at PetSmart for 9 months. PetSmart does NOT sell cats and/or dogs. The sponsor the local animal shelters and rescue centers by letting them come into their stores, set up pens for displaying the animals, and encourage their clientele to take a look. PetSmart has some very sound and solid policies about selling their small animals (rodents and birds). I was supported by our local PetSmart when I refused to sell a "gentleman" one of our hamsters to feed to his snake. I realize that the snake must eat but there are other options. When he complained to management (he thought a sale was a sale!) they supported, wholeheartedly, my decision. This was only once instance. AND PetSmart does not sell rodent females, only males. AND, any breeder that deals with PetSmart has to agree with their policies and sign an agreement that they will support those policies as long as they are a vendor to PetSmart. AND, PetSmart will send out their own investigators to the breeding facilities to ensure that all PetSmart policies are being followed. Did you know that you have to OWN a pet in order to work for PetSmart? (Unless the policy has changed in the past few years.) We, as the consumer, are in control and it depends on whether we support the places that support the puppy mills (and bird mills and rodent mills, etc.) whether or not these places stay in business. I say BOYCOTT, as a responsible pet owner and an animal lover.

    • Posted By: catgirl17 @ 12/16/2007 6:00:09 PM

      Thanks for the info, animal lover- and hurray for Petsmart!

      • Posted By: abbysue1998 @ 12/16/2007 7:02:02 PM

        Along those same lines, I was a two year employee of Petco, a company who appears to have similar policies to Petsmart's. Petco does not sell dogs or cats. In fact they very much support adoption. The store that I worked for had one of those large cat paypen things by the front door that they housed one or two cats from our local shelter in. More people were able to see and meet these cats. Our shelter is a wonderful, no kill facility. But it is about a 30 min drive outside of town.. More than once while I was working there customers came in to buy supplies for a cat or kitten that they were buying at the locally owned pet store down the street. When they saw the loveable cats/kittens that we had for ADOPTION in our store, without the drive they changed their minds and adopted from the shelter via Petco.

        Petco also sponsors adoption days at least once every season. It is a great event where all the area shelters and rescue groups "set up shop" at the store. It can be a little crazy with all those animals in the store, but I saw many hmless animals be adopted to great new homes.

        animal lover--I had a similar experience while working at Petco. I refused to sell a gerbil to a customer to feed his snake. And my manager supported me wholeheartedly. We explained to the customer that we understood that his snake needed to eat, and that he should provide for it, just like any other pet. But we sold these rodents only as pets. My manager than showed him the alternative we had available.

        I think if more pet stores followed the example set by Petco and Petsmart that would make a huge difference. There is no reason that a small family owned pet store can't research their vendors and suppliers. Just because they sell a comparatively small number of animals, does not mean they don't have the right to know what kind of conditions the animals come from and to make an educated decision. As a potential customer I would be more likely to buy from a store that I was confident had done their homework before buying from a supplier. Pet store owners need to be just as educated and responsible as their customers. After all, they are the vendor's customers.

  • Posted By: justplainme @ 12/16/2007 6:56:11 PM

    Whatever breed you are looking for, in whatever area of the country and Canada, go to www.petfinder.com and type in the breed you are looking for. You will find dogs in shelters and rescues that need good homes. The ones in shelters many times only have a couple of days before they will be killed. PLEASE save one of these dogs before buying one from a pet store!

  • Posted By: dbravo156 @ 12/16/2007 6:51:56 PM

    The largest puppy mill in the country is Hunte Corporation in Goodman,MO. Guess who loaned them $4 million ,,,The U.S. Dept of Agriculture.....sad!

  • Posted By: Sonia4Him @ 12/16/2007 6:51:10 PM

    I was saddened that we could have rescued a mini Dachshund from a rescue place! Instead we bought our puppy at an expensive pet store and payed $1000.00 for him with papers. People always tell me I could have rescued one, but I realiza that maybe we did rescue one, the one we bought was also from a puppymill in Kansas!

  • Posted By: dbravo156 @ 12/16/2007 6:50:06 PM

    The largest puppy mill in the country is Hunte Corporation in Goodman, MO. Guess who gave them $4 million dollars in recent years.....The U.S. Dept of Agriculture. Sad!

  • Posted By: amazontaylor @ 12/16/2007 6:46:54 PM

    Puppy mills dogs are NOT generally healthy, you just can't identify their problems and the vet you see is usually SO accustomed to these problems (and since you have the pup, it's too late to do anything about it) that they don't get pointed out (vets aren't very popular for telling you what a lemon you have, especially when the lemon is so cute). Permanent soft spots in the skull, kneecaps that pop out of place, undescended testicles, maligned teeth, heart or liver problems that may not be detectable right away, skin problems that pop up later, oh and they don't even come close to resembling their true breed (a "Bichon" in Kansas is a joke to the breed standard)...and the worst part is, NO MATTER how perfect that puppy is, you just supported the continual torture of the breeding dogs that stay in the kennel. There are THOUSANDS of purebred PUPPIES in shelters all through the Midwest that are at least as good as puppy mills pups. And my two PUREBRED Labradors, obtained as adults from shelters, were ALREADY obedience trained, and one so perfect he was welcomed into the Alzheimer's unit of the nursing home I worked at as a SOLO act (didn't need me to stay with him). They were in shelters because if left unattended in a backyard all day, they'd escape. Funny, they never try to escape when they get to stay inside! Hardly what I'd call a bad temperament. Now your average puppy mill Chihuahua, that's another story.....

  • Posted By: Anti-AKC @ 12/16/2007 6:10:29 PM

    The puppy mills require AKC registration papers, so the AKC is complicite in this travesty. Shame on the AKC!

    • Posted By: doglover23 @ 12/16/2007 6:37:32 PM

      This is not true! Most of the commercial puppy breeders no longer register puppies with AKC because of rule changes instituted several years ago. Look at the ads that say that the puppies are CKC registered. CKC is a registry set up by commercial puppy breeders to circumvent the rules AKC put into effect. Almost all puppies sold in petstores now are CKC registered.

  • Posted By: teaches3 @ 12/16/2007 6:13:42 PM

    This article makes it clear that regardless of where a puppy is purchased from it may have originally come from one of the puppy mills. When a puppy is given a good home, it is irrelevant where it came from. Adoption agencies have so many rules and are quite costly, so they are perpetuating the situation. In the long run, it was easier to buy a puppy from another state and have him flown into the nearest airport than to adopt right here! It is amazingly ridiculous the amount of effort it took for us to get the pet we wanted. We appreciate him even more for all the effort but some good people that are less tenacious would have just given up.

    • Posted By: Wannabkenobi @ 12/16/2007 6:31:23 PM

      Where the puppy came from is far from irrelevant. Many breeders don't match breeding dogs to see what kind of traits and temperment will be passed on to the puppies. My family has rescued dogs for years, mostly because of our first run in with a puppy from a mill. How they were bred and where they come from is one of the main things to look out for; you could be adopting a pup with big brown eyes that mush your heart into bits, but when you get it home...you could have a monster on your hands.

  • Posted By: maxwinston @ 12/16/2007 6:30:35 PM

    Something needs to be done to put these people out of business. These are live puppies and they do not deserve this. You don't treat people like this (well. maybe some do) and they have feelings. I have a puppy mill rescue I adopted and believe me they ae precious. We have had him for 3 yrs. and he still is skittish about some things, but loves the hands on, belly rubs, petting, and is the delight of my life. These people need to find another way to make a living. There are to many puppies up for adoption. It is cruel. So quit buying from from the pet stores and people who are in this business to make money and don't care about the health of a dog.

  • Posted By: lkf1960 @ 12/16/2007 6:29:01 PM

    I live in mayview,mo and last year the city council of our humble little town allowed a puppy mill move in.a member of the city council owns said property.we have been fighting since last November with the puppy mill owners to get rid of said dogs.the mill is right behind our house and needles to say we do not get any peace and quite since they moved in here.we've done every thing to get rid of it but nothing has happened yet.

  • Posted By: corky9206 @ 12/16/2007 6:28:55 PM

    Hello- I just adopted a little female who was a breeder. She had 11 rotten teeth, a serious ear infection and was not house broken or spayed. Her eye teeth are but stubes from grinding on the cage because of being bored. She wants love so badly. She is content to be held all day long. She sleeps a lot, she is very jumpy from any kind of noise. I am blessed to have found her. She came from Happy Tails Rescue. She is so precious. I wish I could take many more but am limited to one in my area. Please continue to help these poor little helpless bundles of love.

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