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  • Posted By: dogwise @ 12/16/2007 6:24:49 PM

    It is SO important to read this article with an inquiring mind. The so-called "investigator" makes many vague, generalized statements. It sounds to me like the "investigator" got no closer to Mr. Weaver's establishment than to observe 4 buildings and hear dogs barking. Yet the "investigator" feels at liberty to attempt to destroy this man's livlihood by labelling his operation as a puppy mill. A genuine puppy mill is a bad thing and there ARE laws enforced by local animal control people to protect helpless animals. It is important for the reader to realize that this "investigator" works for the HSUS which has an agenda. Notice the "investigator's" remark toward the end of this article about "we have created these animals....." Doesn't that sound odd? The HSUS holds that dogs and cats are unnnatural products of human run breeding programs that should never have happened to begin with. Ultimately, the HSUS wants to help the dear little puppies and kitties --- by making them extinct. (If you search a little, you can find published comments by the head of the HSUS to that effect.) Puppy mills need to be stopped, but the HSUS plans to stop ALL breeding of dogs and cats by the systematic persecution of ALL breeders, both good and bad.
    There are many reasons for getting a dog from a shelter. Someone who is looking for a dog for a companion and has enough dog experience to be able to avoid bringing home a problem dog SHOULD go to a shelter. However, someone who is looking for a performance dog (a dog who will compete in agility, flyball, competition obedience, or some other dog sport) should go to a breeder. Like human athletes, a dog needs to be physically ABLE to compete in his sport. Someone who simply choses a cute dog from a shelter and teaches it to love a sport that is to demanding for the dog's physical structure, has done that dog no favors.
    A purebred dog is a specialist. He was born able and desiring to do a certain job. It's a joy to him. A dog who is doing what he was bred and trained to do (like herding or hunting) is a glorious celebration of teamwork between a dog and an owner. Someone who is seeking a canine partner for such an activity needs to go to a reputable breeder who understands that breed of dog and that activity.
    Yes, beware of puppy mills, but also be very wary of the HSUS and be kind to your local reputable breeders.

  • Posted By: Wannabkenobi @ 12/16/2007 6:16:47 PM

    You can get certain kinds of dogs from rescues all over the place. Living in a small town is no excuse. There are thousands of rescues sites on the Internet. Take the initiative: if the puppy mills can't get your money, then they'll have to stop operating. YOU have to act.

    • Posted By: teaches3 @ 12/16/2007 6:24:27 PM

      Talking to rescue workers was one of the more irritating parts of looking for a new pet! They wanted to dictate how our home was run and set up, wanted to charge us $300, and wanted us to sign a contract saying they could remove the dog from us at their discretion. I would rather buy a puppy from ANYONE than deal with this kind of intrusion.

  • Posted By: amiestork @ 12/16/2007 5:23:15 PM

    Puppyfind is where we are advertising our only litter of purebred, home raised, much loved English Bulldog pups. We have found wonderful new owners for our puppies who appreciate the loving way they have been raised. I resent the implication that all online puppies are from puppy mills.

    • Posted By: teaches3 @ 12/16/2007 6:20:33 PM

      I totally agree with you and am glad that there are breeders who advertise their puppies at more reasonable prices to people that really want to give a dog a good home. Talking to rescue workers was one of the more irritating parts of looking for a new pet! They wanted to dictate how our home was run, wanted to charge us $300, and wanted us to sign a contract saying they could remove the dog from us at their discretion. I would rather buy a puppy from ANYONE than deal with this kind of intrusion.

  • Posted By: animal Lover @ 12/16/2007 4:35:36 PM

    Well this is perfeect timing for me. I just picked up a puppy on the side of the road about 5 days ago. It was covered in defacation, dirt and grease. As I was trying to get it into my car to take home it almost got hit three times. I brought it home, bathed it, fed it and just nutured it. I have called all of the rright places and posted pictures, ect to no avail. He is on the wait list to get into a no kill shelter, as the other shelters put them down after 3 days(I asked). I look in the newspaper and there are just several columns of dogs and puppies for sale yet the humane(believe me it is not humane at all) put down thousands of dogs a year. There is something really terrible about our society that lets this happen and puppy mills are evil. People get arrested for animal abuse, well, isn't this abuse folks??

    • Posted By: catgirl17 @ 12/16/2007 6:13:44 PM

      Of course it is abuse. Unfortunately, our system is set up to allow lobbyists to give money to politicians to keep them from doing what is right. My favorite excuse from politicians regarding animal rights is the excuse that they don't want "big government" and "government butting in to private businesses." Every citizen of this country should be ashamed of the way animals are treated in the US. I'm not saying that our treatment of humans is perfect, by any stretch of the imagination, but the fact that this topic usually gets shrugs from people infuriates me. We need to speak up, tell our government representatives that we want this business of overbreeding and then housing and exterminating un-adoptable, unhealthy or unwanted animals to stop. Period. This is supposedly a developed country, but as Ghandi said, "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way in which its animals are treated." I think we are failing.

  • Posted By: lainie @ 12/16/2007 6:12:13 PM

    It never ceases to amaze me the lack of understanding people have ab out buying a puppy..not a thought about where they are coming from. First off the petstores overcharge for the puppy and don't really care about taking care of them. People need to look at where they come from and if they go to a home to pick one out the parents should be healthy and cared for and the breeder willing to show all the dogs. Mass breeding only produces weak and poor quality puppies and unfortunatly does nothing for the mother either and her health suffers. To many puppies are put down or just die after being purchased from mills. People need to pay more attention and think about how much work goes into having healthy dogs and look for how these babies are spending the first months of their lives. Pound puppies are fine and there are real people out there selling great puppies that are raised in a home and are loved and cared for. Those taking advantage of mass breding need to be shut down and some should go to jail. Its not about dollars and cents!

  • Posted By: teaches3 @ 12/16/2007 6:12:02 PM

    This article makes it clear that regardless of where a puppy is purchased from it may have originally come from one of the puppy mills. When a puppy is given a good home, it is irrelevant where it came from. Adoption agencies have so many rules and are quite costly, so they are perpetuating the situation. In the long run, it was easier to buy a puppy from another state and have him flown into the nearest airport than to adopt right here! It is amazingly ridiculous the amount of effort it took for us to get the pet we wanted. We appreciate him even more for all the effort but some good people that are less tenacious would have just given up.

  • Posted By: ardene29 @ 12/16/2007 6:09:25 PM

    Yes puppy mills are bad and should be inspected and shut down if conditons are not right but for someone who is looking for a certain kind or breed of dog especially in a smaller town, we have no choice but to purchase our puppies from a pet store. Humane societys usually only have mixed breed dogs and are most likely well into there adult hood. Give us more choices and options then the pet stores so we can purchase our kind of dogs elsewhere which would cut back on how many the pet stores sell and buy from puppy mills

  • Posted By: Anti-AKC @ 12/16/2007 6:09:05 PM

    THe American Kennel Club is complicite in this horrow because without AKC registration paspers these puppy mills could not operate. Shame on the AKC!

  • Posted By: Salukis63 @ 12/16/2007 6:05:53 PM

    Hey if this article touched you...touch your wallet and give to your local shelter for the holidays. And if you aren't in the postion to be able to donate...donate your time..shelters are always strapped for cash and help...either would be a great holiday gift not only to the Shelter but to the pets they help.... Happy Holidays, Merry Christmas!

  • Posted By: kieran @ 12/16/2007 6:04:40 PM

    You can buy a dog, or as I did, adopt one who is "free to good home". My dog has no papers, no lineage, is fat, goofy and a little on the dumb side, but I love her dearly. Dogs are family members, not status symbols. If we didn??t treat them like accessories, maybe puppy-mills would fade away.

  • Posted By: animallover35 @ 12/16/2007 4:17:36 PM

    I agree with coonhunter. Even though I do not agree with coonhunting. I have a raccoon as a pet. We need to put a stop to anybody that breeds any animals for profit. And we also need to figure out a way how to help the animals in China and Korea. I have signed petitions, but how am I suppose to know if that will help. How can we stop all animal cruelty around the world?

    • Posted By: bassranger @ 12/16/2007 6:03:13 PM

      I love this comment,"We need to put a stop to anybody that breeds any animals for profit". Why don't we just not allow anyone to make a profit at their jobs? It seems everyone wants their food, their pets, their leather goods, etc... but no one likes the way it is raised. You the consumer have ordained how everything in the animal industry is raised now because you want it as cheap as possible and there are so many of you that want it. The consumer would not pay for chickens that were raised in someone's backyard because the cost would be prohibitive. The same with pork. That is why this fowl and animals are raised in such mass scale now. Pet owners don't want to pay the price tag that show dog breeders want for their dogs. Most show dog breeders don't want the average owner to own one of their dogs. We have a female boxer that is very good quality and could not find a boxer breeder that would breed her unless we paid them $1500 to $2000.

      The people in the animal industry have a hard life and work for a low profit margin. The consumer then complains about how the animals are raised but they keep eating, buying pets, and wearing the clothes. And they want it cheaper.

      I'm sure many of you on this forum are members of PETA or some other organization or would like to be.
      I would appreciate it if you would stop and think about the livelihoods of the people would you post broad reaching statements about any group. Many of you are comfortable in your jobs making a good income and not concerned about the weather, disease, or public opinion affecting you paycheck. People in the animal husbandry business have to worry about this daily and most of the causes are started by someone with too much time and money on their hands (celebrity's) that does'nt have to worry about thier next meal.

      If this sounds like I am ranting then it is because I am retired from the animal husbandry business. I raised chickens (290,000 annually), hogs (43,000 annually) cattle (120 pair), and puppies until I retired this year. I never had a complaint about the condition of my facilities or animals in my entire career. There are many more breeders that do it right other than the few bad examples that the media chooses to write about. After all it is not news worthy unless it is bad.

      By the way, I did find a local owner of a nice male. I have a beautiful litter of puppies that will not be adopted at an animal shelter, a rescue shelter or bought from a pet store. I am not a breeder now but have two pets. There are other ways to find good quality pets besides those listed in this forum.

  • Posted By: Salukis63 @ 12/16/2007 6:02:39 PM

    Hey if this article touched you...touch your wallet and make a donation to your local shelter..and if you're not in the position to make a donation volunteer your time... Shelters are always strapped for cash and for help any combination would be a great holiday gift to them and the pets they care for... Happy Holidays and God Bless...

  • Posted By: kieran @ 12/16/2007 5:58:59 PM

    Five years ago, i adopted a mixed-breed puppy who was "free to good home". She is huge, happy, goofy, and not that bright, but I love her dearly. Maybe if we all stopped thinking of dogs as accesories and treated them as members of the family, puppy mills would fade out of existance.

    Kieran

  • Posted By: luvwaltdisney @ 12/16/2007 5:28:04 PM

    Over breeding does not do this, careless breeding by people who don't know what they are doing can though. The guy should not have bought from someone with dogs that would not come near him.

    Everyone who wants to buy a dog should educate themselves and buy only from a responsible breeder. Check with your breeds local or national club to find them.

    • Posted By: Dealmaker44 @ 12/16/2007 5:55:56 PM

      Check with your national or local breed club to find a reputable breeder? Check the breeder yourself, Remember, AKC registers Puppy Mill Puppies. Be careful and check the facilities yourself, dont go on referal alone.

  • Posted By: yesmaam @ 12/16/2007 5:49:47 PM

    It's obvious to me that iluvwaltdisney is living in the dream world they luv. Puppy mills are exactly as decribed. It's sad, but oh so true. Please purchase an animal after very careful research of the breed AND the breeder.

    • Posted By: Dealmaker44 @ 12/16/2007 5:53:14 PM

      Well Said!
      Merry Christmas

  • Posted By: cassivella @ 12/13/2007 10:37:49 PM

    Villandra, don't kid yourself. Those puppies from the newspaper are no better off than puppy mill puppies. Do you want to buy a puppy from a family that is prostituting their kids' pet? Don't think they learn their lesson and use the money to get their dog spayed. Buying from home breeders perpetuates the puppy mill cycle just as much as buying from a pet store.

    Ellen Degeneres, just like everyone else who adopts (yes, adopts, not BUYS) an animal from a shelter or rescue group, signed a legal document stating she would not transfer custody of the animal to anyone other
    than the shelter or rescue group. I'm sure she had her heart in the right place, but she did break contract law. If anyone is to blame for causing the hairdresser's kids grief, it is Ellen herself, just like she admitted on national TV.

    Adopting an animal is a privilege, not a right. You do not own the animal. Property law is slowly changing, state by state, to make this legal. If animals were truly only property, you would legally be able to beat them, throw them in a fire, or shoot them. It is in the best interest of society that rescue groups properly screen applicants for adoption. There is nothing worse for a shelter animal than to go to its "forever home" and then be either returned to the shelter or pawned off on another family that doesn't know how to raise an animal.

    I'm glad you are finished with rescue groups, Villandra, because people with your attitude don't deserve the unconditional love of a family pet. You can keep buying mentally unstable animals from home breeders and puppy mills. Perhaps society will luck out and one of the animals will rid us of people who think like you.

    • Posted By: luvwaltdisney @ 12/16/2007 5:52:21 PM

      I have to point out that there are many mentally unstable animals in shelters. Responsible breeders will not breed unstable animals.

    • Posted By: Rubberbandgirl @ 12/13/2007 11:21:09 PM

      I agree with Villandra, and think Cassivella is a perfect example of a holier, than thou , condensending animal rescuer. Adopting an animal is not a right, and if it is a privilege to anyone, it is the animal. We have three cats that live better than most third world people.
      And an animal is property. Where I live (and it is not that rural of an area) you can shoot your animal, (if you need to put it down). We did recently took care of an aged rabbit with a whack to the head.
      A dog or cat deserve a good home, but good is in the eye of the beholder. It is not up to some random person playing God to decide what is best for my animal. Once that animal is adopted out, it is up to the owner to decide whether to declaw, feed dry food, use clumping litter etc...As for cats, my goodness there are stray cats everywhere. We take in strays, and avoid shelters altogether.
      And home breeders are NOT the same as a puppy mill in most cases. Animals bred in a home environment are socialized with humans early on.
      Villandra do you own research, and do not let someone like Cassivella discourage you from adopting an animal. These holier than thou rescue people will shoot themselves in the foot. I know MANY people who were moved by Ellen Degeneres experience.



      • Posted By: jennj99738 @ 12/14/2007 12:34:25 AM

        Uh, yes it is up to someone else to decide whether a dog will have a good home. Yes, a shelter can require that a cat not be declawed. You need to learn to read and write in the English language and if you did indeed take care of a rabbit (a rabbit!) with a "whack to the head," someone needs to make sure you never actually have an animal. You are one sick individual. Hope animal control gets ahold of you.

  • Posted By: Jim1196dog @ 12/16/2007 4:59:56 PM

    I've often thought that any breeder should be legally bound by restrictions of the number of adut dogs and the number of litters a *** can have per year. More inspectors needed with legal authority to shut down mills and breeders upon inspections immediately. My heart breaks everytime I hear of situations like this. I'm close to retirement and I would be willing to spend my golden years as an inspector and close some of these torture chambers down.

    • Posted By: pugs4us @ 12/16/2007 5:51:27 PM

      i agree with you jim--i, too, am a retiring school teacher at the end of this school yr. i would love to spend time helping all the helpless animals--they are just like live babies--helpless and defenseless

  • Posted By: villandra @ 12/13/2007 9:15:50 PM

    If shelters and rescues want us to adopt from them, they need to adopt teh silly and counterproductive requirements, and the condescending attitude; starting with the part where we don't own the animals we adopt. After the way Ellen Degeneres' hair dresser was treated, I'll never deal with a rescue again, and I used to give to them regularly. Now that I've seen shelters enforce the notion that you don't even own your own animal, I won't deal with them again either.

    Thankyou for telling us about puppy mills, but THERE are dogs who need rescuing, and they won't come after you to get the dog back because of whatever! Tehre are also families whose dogs and cats had puppies; they can usually be found in the newspaper, and you can look at the house and the animals before you select one.

    • Posted By: Lycanthropic @ 12/16/2007 4:01:43 PM

      Great. So you support BYBs, who are no better than puppy mills. Don't support people stupid enough to let their intact dogs run around the neighborhood or who breed their dogs for puppies or profit with absolutely no CARE for the dog. You're so moronic. How many shelters say you don't own your animal? None around here do. But there is a fine line there.

      • Posted By: luvwaltdisney @ 12/16/2007 5:46:41 PM

        It is also moronic to think that any responsible breeder would let thier intact dog "run around the neighborhood".

  • Posted By: cassandra @ 12/16/2007 5:39:48 PM

    Everytime we travel to the USa we go and visit breeders And it seems they go=et worse each year, and we go to the USA every three years.this time in texas i saw a lady that had a shitzu in a cage hanging in a tree. They have AKC puppies and another Dog Club based in NY why does not anybody from those clubs go and visit those breeders?? Those people feed them puppies gluco and when the sugar wears out they just fall over.. It is more then sad. And why would anybody buy a puppy from a pet shop and pay $1000 and get a pet that pops blood while sitting in a metal cage. Do those people not know that animals have feelings too, that they feel pain like we do? that they bleed like we do? that they want to get loved like we do?? Shame on you puppy mills breeder and shame on you home factory animal breeders, G-d will get you all one day.

  • Posted By: JamesJulie @ 12/16/2007 5:28:38 PM

    Does anyone know what happened to the boston terrier puppy with mange on the cover?

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