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  • Posted By: doglover23 @ 12/16/2007 6:29:32 PM

    This investigator implies that you cannot buy a purebred dog that did not come from a puppy mill. That is not true as there are thousands of responsible hobby breeders who are dedicated to producing quality purebred puppies. The breeding dogs are well-treated, house pets. These dogs are tested to insure that they are free of genetic diseases to the best of the breeders' knowledge and undergo health checks before breeding. The puppies are raised in the kitchen, bedroom, or family room and showered with the best food and care, usually much better quality care and food than the average pet owner.

    HSUS has stated in its website that it supports a pet-free agenda. They don't want anyone to own or breed dogs, cats, or any other pet as they consider that cruel to the animals. I would take any reports on the conditions of dogs in breeding situations as suspect because of their bias. Yes, there are people keeping dog in bad conditions and breeding them to death. The solution, don't buy any dog unless you find a reputable breeder.

    LS, Mo

    • Posted By: truthseeker06 @ 12/16/2007 7:25:40 PM

      You are wrong about the HSUS "no pet" agenda. I looked everywhere on their website - no way. You either made this up yourself, or heard it from someone else who made it up, and just believed them without checking the facts.

      • Posted By: MMcA @ 01/13/2008 8:49:42 AM

        As a member of HSUS, PETA, and the AHA, I was surprised to see that we "support a pet-free agenda." Sure enough, there are dozens of pages on the site about responsible pet ownership and responsible, educated acquisition of pets. I am so tired of people lying to make their point. What happened to integrity in this country?

    • Posted By: abbysue1998 @ 12/16/2007 7:29:48 PM

      I agree. I know of may responsible hobby breeders who sell home raised litters that are produced by their own, well loved family pets. I myself own a puppy from one of these breeders. If both potential dog owners as well as pet store owners would be willing to spend a little extra money (sometimes, but not always!) and give their business to these quality breeders, then the irrisponsible puppy mills would run out of business.

    • Posted By: Floridaboy @ 12/16/2007 7:00:01 PM

      Have you checked the HSUS website? There is no such pet free agenda content on their. They most certainly do support pet ownership. I worked in an animal shelter for 24 years and relied on them a lot. You live in MO, so maybe your are in the puppy mill industry and like most of these people are making this stuff up! If you do not believe their is a problem with puppy mills you are either naive or out of touch with reality. JS, Maryland.

      • Posted By: redhead1228 @ 12/16/2007 7:19:28 PM

        I realize that there are puppy mills out there and it broke my heart to hear of the ones in Oklahoma that didn't have shelter in the ice storms. However, there are also very reputable breeders out there. Some of us care about the dogs/puppies more than ourselves. I have turned down buyers that I don't feel have the best interests at heart for my puppies. I cry every time one of the puppies leaves my house as I have been with it continuously until it gets its new home. We are hobby breeders, and maybe there aren't alot of us that care this much about their pets, but I don't feel it is fair to say ALL breeders are puppy mills and not to buy from legitimate breeders. As a buyer, it is also your responsibility to make sure that you check everything out as it is for we breeders to ensure the safety and love of our precious puppies. LK, WI

  • Posted By: shaneprice @ 12/16/2007 6:15:46 PM

    You can't get a full bred animal with papers from a shelter and they are also required to be fixed when they are adopted. Seems like there should be no question about it... buy a quality dog from a breeder, or take someone else's junk from the shelter.

    I'll be happy to continue to buy a quality animal from a breeder!

    • Posted By: MMcA @ 01/13/2008 8:45:15 AM

      I presume you were not adopted? So that makes you your parent's junk, right?

    • Posted By: pugs4us @ 12/16/2007 7:01:27 PM

      shane doesn't love animals or he wouldn't call any of those helpless little creatures "someone else's junk"--Those puppies didn't ask to be born--just like you didn't. Maybe you're "someone else's junk"!

    • Posted By: Wannabkenobi @ 12/16/2007 6:26:50 PM

      Someone else's junk? Both dogs that I have had for the past eight years came from shelters, and they are far from junk. You couldn't ask for better friends.

      Besides, an animal from a breeder won't always be good quality. My family and I made that mistake when I was really little; the dog we bought was pure bred with papers, she had everything we could offer her to be happy, and she was mean. It doesn't matter where they come from or if they have "papers" or not. It doesn't matter if they're required to be fixed. What should matter is how the dog has been treated and how it will be treated in the future.

  • Posted By: bennett6252 @ 12/16/2007 4:36:09 PM

    And the puppy millers are here (like rainman) trying desperately to cover for the puppy mill industry!

    The millers will tell any lie, any tale to stay in business. ALL puppy millers deny they are millers, deny they abuse and kill animals. Puppy millers are adept liars and thieves.

    That is because they hide out in rural areas, in secret, and few will investigate and see their criminal businesses and activities

    All lies, all the time.

    The puppy millers do not want the truth to get out, including the fact that they oppose licensing and inspection because they hide income and DON'T PAY TAXES!

    It's a criminal business.

    • Posted By: rain*man @ 12/16/2007 6:08:56 PM

      Hold on there feller. I was inspected twice yearly by the USDA, six times annually by the US Army, and by over 800 individuals that bought my pups, I had a vet on call 24/7, As for the reason we "hide out" in the country is the animals need space you idiot. you are right about one thing ,"puppy millers" are bad and criminal. You need to find out what a puppy mill really is!!! What it is NOT is commonplace!! It is NOT any person that breeds for profit or sells to a pet store. It IS a place where no concern is given to the care of the breed stock and the "millers" are usually (not always) elderly and/or poor. I would never deny that I killed some animals, If it was over 16 weeks old and it bit , it died! As for truth I LOVE the truth! You will not tell the truth because you have NO idea of what the truth is. If you use PETA or , to a lesser extent, the Humane Society propoganda to base your information on, then you not only lie, you are just plain old inbred stupid. and THAT is the truth! The truth is the last year I was in business I paid over $62,000 in taxes. How much has PETA paid? $0.00 in taxes but thousands to fund and defend arsonists and terrorists. I retired 10 years ago and I still get updates on dogs I have sold from many VERY happy owners. You bleeding heart animal rights activists amaze me If someone raped your 6 year old child they go to jail for 2-3 years, but if they kill your dog (because it is untrained and part of the family, has feelings etc..) for biting a child you want them in prison forever. It is very true,Ignorance can be cured ...Stupid is to the bone!

      • Posted By: MMcA @ 01/13/2008 8:32:03 AM

        I'm sorry, I missed the voices wanting someone to go to prison for life because he killed a dog that bit his kid. Did they also say something about having Elvis with them on the ship?

      • Posted By: pupfriend @ 12/17/2007 1:31:02 AM

        Wow Rainman, ignorance IS to the bone, and you just prooved it!!!!!!!!

  • Posted By: coonhunter @ 12/16/2007 4:02:09 PM

    I think if people would turn the puppy mill owners in to the humane society they should close them down. I also believe if you look on u-tube at what south korea and china do to their dogs and cats the USA should be able to put a stop to that also if everyone would write their congressman or woman, the president and senators then we could help those dogs and cats also.

    • Posted By: rain*man @ 12/16/2007 4:17:57 PM

      Let me guess...we should not be in the middle east...we should invade China because you don't like the they are treating dogs and cats.

      • Posted By: MMcA @ 01/13/2008 8:22:46 AM

        Let me guess... It would be "anti-free trade" to refuse to buy furs from countries that skin animals alive. By the way, it's "moron." An amusing ignorance.

      • Posted By: animallover35 @ 12/16/2007 4:23:41 PM

        Yes, I do think that we need to figure out a way to help the animals in China and Korea. I bet you would not like to be skinned alive!

    • Posted By: md3067 @ 12/16/2007 4:07:14 PM

      Well said!

  • Posted By: haggis7412 @ 12/16/2007 3:42:05 PM

    I think that the government should have regulations set forth that govern anyone who declares any kind of income from the breeding of Dogs, Cats or any domestic animal. It would not be that hard, if they cared enough. There have been several T.V. shows recently and over the years showing how puppies are basically grown, not raised... But... America just sits there, and pretends to care for about 5 minutes, then changes the channel. The complacent attitude of selfish freedom, and the convenience of the remote to change the channel to something less disturbing... so many truth's to blame, so little time.

    Prove you care... Do something about it... adopt instead of buying... write to your local government.... picket a local mass breeder. Or... in a true American way, do nothing.

    • Posted By: pupfriend @ 12/16/2007 4:12:38 PM

      Why not? The government has it's nose in everything we do from raising our children to suit their rules, to making sure we strap ourselves into a car when we drive. The fact is, there ARE laws already in effect riight now to govern the way breeders care for, and sell thier puppies. If there weren't such laws, contacting the authorities to report a puppy mill would be fruitless. If there were no laws governing the abuse of animals, the authorities could do nothing. The laws will vary from state, to state, which is as it should be, due to different conditions, but beleive me breeders ARE already governed. Just a final thought FOR EVERY TIME SOMEONE YELLS "THERE OUGHT TO BE A LAW" A NEW LAW IS MADE TO TAKE AWAY YET ANOTHER OF OUR FREEDOMS. Please think carefully when making that declaration. YOU MAY GET WHAT YOU DIDN'T WANT!

      • Posted By: willy lump lump @ 12/16/2007 4:45:56 PM

        WITHOUT LAWS THIS WOULD BE ONE HELL OF A PLACE TO LIVE. i hope 'PUPFRIEND IS 6'8' 300 lbs,
        because if he isn't ,with no laws, he'lstarve to dxeath or be beaten to death in the ensuing melee !

        • Posted By: pupfriend @ 12/17/2007 1:42:59 AM

          Hey, Willy lumpsum. I'm 4' 10", a woman, and I guarantee you, I don't need laws to do the right thing. Nor does most of the people in the USA. SOME laws are necessary, but, not the ones that rule our every movement, even though those movements do NOT cause harm to other PEOPLE. You strike me as a person who would do well in a prison.

          • Posted By: MMcA @ 01/13/2008 8:19:36 AM

            And you strike me as the sort of person who is happy to talk from the common good of law, and unwilling to give. You like the laws that serve your selfish needs, and think they are enough. Welcome to what we call "society," where a guy's need to rape you is against the law.

  • Posted By: Dealmaker44 @ 12/16/2007 3:26:00 PM

    Why doesn't the AKC or American Kennel Club, denie registration of dogs that are registered as a puppy mill with the Humane Society?

    • Posted By: Hikeatrail @ 12/16/2007 3:52:29 PM

      Good question..... If you wish to make a profit selling registered dogs then you pay a fee to the registering party. The registering party (AKC, etc) then uses this extra fee to hire individuals responsible for inspecting the breeders place of business. You flunk - you're puppies don't receive a registration. Now THAT would take the profit right out of the business for those breeders using sub-par standards of care for the animals. Seems like a simple enough answer.... So AKC - how about you get on board and help stamp out these horrendous practices.

      • Posted By: pupfriend @ 12/16/2007 4:23:43 PM

        Hey, Hikeatrail, Wake up, and smell the coffee. That's exactly what AKC already does. We pay a fee to register a litter, and also an extra fee for each pup in the litter. AKC dictates how we are to keep full and accurate records. They have inspectors who do go out to breeders' homes, and enspect the living conditions, condition of the dogs, ie how their health looks, are they clean, groomed, etc. and also the records, which had better be correct. If you don't pass, you will be suspended from registering, until such time as you fix the problems to their satisfaction. If you don't fix it they will remove your registering rights. But we are still in the USA, and AKC can't tell anyone they can't breed dogs. They can just be unwilling to be a part of your operation. If the breeding facility is unacceptable by local law, the inspector can call the local authorities, and file a complaint, but AKC isn't the law. Still they do a good job.

        • Posted By: Dealmaker44 @ 12/16/2007 4:46:04 PM

          Seems an excuse, I know your a breeder, so the AKC is what you hang your hat to sell high priced dogs. But with so many breeders and puppy millers out there, the AKC doesn't near have the resources to inspect all. Therefore, If AKC and the Humane Society can culminate there information, they can then deny the registration from puppies born to bad breeders, and mills. This would choke the profit from the industry, and help with the problem.

          Also, I agree with your comment that the AKC can't tell anyone they can't breed dogs. They can however DENY registering them. The AKC needs to step up. Believe it or not, they are the ones that pump your profit up when you sell your "pups". Try selling a "pup" without AKC registration for $1000.00 Then see if you still disagree. The AKC is a huge racket.

          • Posted By: MMcA @ 01/13/2008 8:16:04 AM

            My father raised registered boxers, and my mother (later) raised registered miniature poodles. We never saw a human connected to the AKC or had any contact with one. I'm sure things have changed, but there's no way they are "inspecting" every pedigreed dog's breeder.

          • Posted By: SallyLuv @ 12/19/2007 11:28:39 AM

            AKC inspects high volume breeders (7 or more litters per year) annually. So they're already doing what you seem to think they can't do.

            Other breeders (low volume breeders) are inspected at random and in response to complaints.

            If any breeder inspected is in violation of animal care statutes, my understanding is that AKC reports them to the authorities. If you pick up a copy of the AKC Gazette (go to Barnes and Noble), AKC regularly revokes the right to register pups to people who have committed fraud or have acted against the best interests of purebred dogs. Privileges are revoked routinely when a breeder is convicted of animal neglect or abuse. That's STANDARD for AKC.

            Most puppy mills nowadays are not using AKC, because AKC does inspect, report to authorities, and they require DNA testing of dogs that produce more than a certain number of litters, as well as DNA testing during inspections (to confirm parentage.)

          • Posted By: pupfriend @ 12/17/2007 1:52:03 AM

            Dealmaker, you are so wrong, that AKC is where I hang my hat to sell my pups. MY reputation, is where I hang THAT hat. I have sold puppies (I've averaged about 4 per year for the last 42 years) and I've had people who were willing to wait for as long as 3 years for another of MY pups. Even though there are always ads for Yorkies for sale in the local papers, and online. I do sell with limited registration, and spay/neuter agreements, so it isn't as if they think OH AKC! I can breed and make my money back.. But if they are new to me it is an assurance that they are getting a purebred.

          • Posted By: pupfriend @ 12/17/2007 1:14:07 AM

            Dealmaker, I don't sell puppies withour AKC registration, but I sell all my puppies with LIMITED registration, and a spay/neuter agreement. The people I sell to want assurance that they aren't getting a Chorkie, or some other mixed breed that will not, in any way be what they want. AKC demands that males who produce 7 or more litters in a lifetime or more than 3 litters in a calendar be DNA profiled. Eventually, I hope they will do the same with the females., but, yes, AKC registration is definitely a plus when selling a baby, because it gives people assurance that they are getting the breed of their choice. Could AKC do more? You bet! Could buyers do more? You bet! But if you notice, AKC does promotions to educate the potential buyer. If they would only listen, it would be a good thing. I, myself do all I can to educate buyers, and, while I have nothing against getting a puppy from the shelters, I have always sponsored responsibility of the person who produced the puppy. Regardless of whether they are breeders who sell puppies, or just the careless dog owner who doesn't spay thier pet. If the law was passed that said, "you are responsible for this animal for life. People would be much more careful, and would spend the money for the sexual alteration of thier pet. But that's just another law that takes away the freedom from people who could do the right thing without being forced to.

    • Posted By: rain*man @ 12/16/2007 3:52:05 PM

      Because the Humane Society is a little over zealous in it's opinions. Nobody in their right mind listens to PETA because they are whacked and support terrorism. The Humane Society does a LOT of good but tries very hard to get across the same message as PETA, thankfully in a MUCH more positive and useful way.

    • Posted By: Hikeatrail @ 12/16/2007 3:45:56 PM

      I like this idea. The breeder could pay a fee for each registration and that fee could be used to police all breeders desiring to sell "registered" puppies. Would certainly take a lot of work to set up such a system but it seems like a good way to police. If you can't sell the puppies as registered, the profit motive isn't nearly so great. If you can, you pay a fee and are subject to inspection.

  • Posted By: mustlovedogs43 @ 12/16/2007 3:07:14 PM

    In addition to stopping the spread and overall operation of puppy mills we should be boycotting fur coats because many of the animals that have been made fur coats are cruelly treated and their skin is ripped off while they are still alive. Watch some of the animal cruelty videos on youtube of fur coat manufacturers and it will break your heart. In response to the priorities comment, everything can be helped but homeless people atleast have a voice and freedom. Animals that are locked in cages their entire life and not properly fed or allowed to get out can't do anything about their state of being. They are helpless.

    • Posted By: rain*man @ 12/16/2007 4:09:14 PM

      You remind me of a lady that wanted to puchase leather conditioner but didn't want any that contained Mink oil.......Because killing the mink was cruel......sitting her dumb a$$ on cow hide was perfectly fine though. Animal fur has been used for clothing since God created us, but you are no doubt wiser than Him....

      • Posted By: MMcA @ 01/13/2008 8:12:35 AM

        Well, I don't think mooning Moses would be fun, but to each his own.

  • Posted By: madsky4 @ 12/16/2007 1:57:14 PM

    It is not true that all purebred puppies come from puppy mills. That is an absurd statement. I bred purebred dogs for years so did my mother. Our dogs were showdogs. Many champions among them. We bred beautiful puppies and sold them to good homes. Show quality sold for more and pet quality went to homes where they were fixed so as not to breed substandard show dogs. Pet quality were just that pets. If you are looking for a good purebred pet puppy check with your local AKC chapter they know these owners.

    • Posted By: MMcA @ 01/13/2008 8:09:45 AM

      I wrote elsewhere about my mother, who bred AKC registered miniature poodles, strictly for money, and under conditions that contributed to the ruin of the breed. Being "purebred" has nothing to do with how responsible or informed your owner is.

    • Posted By: aquagrrl @ 12/16/2007 3:03:57 PM

      Reading comprehension isn't you're strong point, is it? The article said "MOST", and if you see the volume of purebreds vs. the number of purebreds raised by responsible breeders, you'd see that there is no way the show market produced that many.

  • Posted By: puppyanddoglover @ 12/16/2007 11:51:28 AM

    Comment: I have been to several peoples houses that raise puppies for sale that this story would not fit this in this story. I also raise puppies, that I sell and sometimes give away to people who can not afford to pay a lot of money or pay any money for them. I talk to the people about why they want a puppy and what kind of home whey will be giving it. All my puppies go to good homes. If I think they will not be getting a good home. then I will not sell or give them a puppy. My puppies are all born in my house and raised in it. This way they are not afraid of people and makes for a more people friendly puppy or dog. To tell people that they should just get their pupppies from a shelter is putting people like me down. I am against puppy mills also. I do not breed my dogs everytime they come in heat, because this is not good for them. I have heated dog houses and put straw in them for bedding and I put covers over the tops during the summer for shade. So I hope when you print your stories from now on, that you can remember that there are some people who care about their dogs and puppies. Whising you the best on your quest of getting puppy mills closed.

    • Posted By: hf21 @ 12/16/2007 4:12:59 PM

      You have got to be an idiot. You say that you will give someone a dog who can't pay, but if someone can't afford to pay for a dog, then how are they going to provide the proper essentials, or god forbid, medical treatment if something happens?

      Also, what is the fascination of having a "purebred" from a breeder? I adopted 2 fullbred (or they were according to the shelter) dogs whose owners could not afford them anymore. Even if a dog isn't a purebred, can you not love them just as much?

      Animals were not put here for humans to exploit for monetary value, no matter how well they are treated.

      Someone who is getting an animal and will truly love it as part of the family will not care if a dog has papers or not.

      • Posted By: MMcA @ 01/13/2008 8:05:39 AM

        Thank Dog, neither children nor dogs are the prerogative of the wealthy. A loving home is worth more to most dogs than a dose of antibiotics. Unlike humans, most animals would rather die happy than live miserable. Of course, they don't know about Heaven.

    • Posted By: MMcA @ 01/13/2008 8:03:28 AM

      Good for you. That's how I remember breeding puppies, back in the day, before everything came to be about money. In fact, I remember when it changed for me. My mother decided that she could "make good money" on miniature poodles, so she started breeding them like rabbits. She was too cheap to pay stud fees, so she bred them to each other and within a few generation she had perfected a dog that would have epileptic seizures whenever the doorbell rang. Didn't make much off them. She also tried to get rich by buying a chinchilla. One chinchilla....

      This article is not about you, and only idiots like the righteous first responder would think so.

    • Posted By: brutalmeister @ 12/16/2007 3:57:54 PM

      Thank God, someone else who cares and loves dogs. I also breed my pets from time to time. These animals are part of my family and my fur kids. We all go through the good and bad times together just like any family, too bad we are not all rich and can't afford to just give or buy dogs!

  • Posted By: rwhite1032 @ 12/16/2007 10:46:33 AM

    After reading several of these comments. The biggest problem I see is lack of education. Almost everyone is emotinal about the issue. The fools who keep saying every pet should be fixed are at the top of that list. What would happen if every dog in US was fixed today? The next generations would only know the love of a dog from a video. Because they would be gone. Do puppy mills exist? YES. The solution isnt more laws, its common sense. Dont buy puppies from pet shops or the internet, there you only have the word of the person selling the dog for profit of where it came from. Buy a dog from a local breeder wher you can and should go and visit them and the parents of your new puppy. See for yourself where you are getting the dog from. If it turns out to be some gross puppy mill contact the humane society and report them. So if your really concerned about fixing this problem. The solution starts with the buyers being informed about where the dogs come from and what kind of living condition they have. Yes I am breeder. I have 8 females 2 males, They are housed in a 12X24 building. each as a outside run that measure 8X70, I have a whelping kennel. Both have air and heat. I am licensed and inspected reguarly and no I dont make a profit, I have to work a full time job. But I love the breed and my dogs. No one comes out to my kennels and thinks of it as a puppy mill. But I invite everyone whom wants a puppy to come and see the parents. So as I stated earlier if you are really concerned about puppy mills only buy from people whom you can go and visited them and see where the dogs are raised at. And yes my dogs live better then a lot of people out there. So are breeders like me the solution. No the uninformed people making impulse buys of puppies without seeing where they come from are the problem and so by using some common sense or we going to stop this problem. More laws only make it harder on the good legimate breeders. The puppy mills are not currently following the existing laws, so I find it hard to believe that passing more laws will make them behave. As long as they can make a profit they will continue to operate and mistreat thier animals. But if no one is buying the puppies they will go out of business. Does it help the animals today? No, but it will help them later.

    • Posted By: MMcA @ 01/13/2008 7:56:21 AM

      I agree with most of what you say, but I have to point out that people DO buy dogs from pet shops, and pet shops do wholesale their dogs from puppy mills -- i.e., places that DON'T care who ends up with their dogs any more than the pet shop does. Articles like this are the very education you are suggesting people get. Who knew that rabbits are tortured to test cosmetics, before some dogooders, in an act of civil disobedience, exposed this practice? When I was a kid, I never thought about where "that doggie in the window" came from. Never. Perhaps this was time before our culture descended into the horrific sociopathy that fosters puppy mills. But even today I know "dog lovers" who buy from pet shops and even puppy mills (and, in one case, end up spending thousands to save a puppy from Parvo) without giving the implication a second thought. (Won't eat veal or lamb, though....)

  • Posted By: lovemydog @ 12/16/2007 10:35:28 AM

    What people are able to do to animals is just disgusting at times. I'm both upset and saddened after reading this... but find it ironic that some of the "sponsered links" for this article are websites selling dogs. what are the chances those aren't puppy mills?

    • Posted By: SWDogMan @ 12/16/2007 10:48:01 AM

      Congrats, you've found the magic number - MONEY! Why do they breed as many puppies as possible as cheaply as possible? Money! Why do they do these investigations that always find deplorable conditions? Money! Why does Newsweek write the articles that inverview only the investigator and nobody who might bring balance to the opinions that person presents? Money! Money from subscriptions, money from newsstand sales, and money from - as you so aptly pointed out - advertisers who sell puppies! Or animal shelters, who are also looking for ... ta da! MONEY! There's a website called "activistcash" (with the COMmon part after the dot) who can show you who's getting what money for what. Fascinating stuff.

      • Posted By: MMcA @ 01/13/2008 7:46:55 AM

        In other words, all humanitarian activity is driven by greed. Tell it to the Amalakites, if you can find one. I understand they were slaughtered, man, woman, and child, and their fields salted. Ethnic cleansing, you know.

  • Posted By: SWDogMan @ 12/16/2007 10:19:46 AM

    Sadly this is an article that combines some good information with the new ignorance of what a dog is, how it sees the world and how it really is an animal. Now that HSUS is run by former PETA folks, whose stated and published agenda is to remove ALL animal ownership from the world, good investigations of bad people will no longer happen. Are the huskies lving in the arctic abused because they live in the snow? No, that's what they were bred for. Are the salukis that live in the desert heat with the Bedowans abused? No, it is what they live for. Understanding a dog's psyche used to be a normal part of life, when folks used dogs as tools as well as comanions. Nowadays, people think of dogs as their children, or little humans, which they are not. A dog appreciates being dominated - it's what makes them feel safe and be able to properly socialized. You can change the outside look of a dog but its instinct remains. And I suppose as a descedant of people who were killed by the Nazis in concentration camps I should be used to people, especially from PETA, continuing to equate us to animals. Oh, well - anti-semitism meets political radicalism yet again.

    • Posted By: MMcA @ 01/13/2008 7:44:05 AM

      Can someone please explain to me the logic of assuming that if one cares about dogs as much as one care about, for example, Jews, that makes him anti-Semitic. Given how much I care about dogs, I would have thought it would make me "pro-Semitic." Or are you suggesting that I should care more about Jews than I do about anything else? Is it Ok to care about Gypsies? Or do I have to care about Jews more than anything in the whole wide world? Is it this failure that makes me "anti-Semitic"? Or is it the fact that I don't regard Jews as a chosen people with exclusive rights to sympathy?

    • Posted By: rain*man @ 12/16/2007 10:53:39 AM

      Enter Your CommentSWDogMan I wish I had your eloquence. I truly love animals whether it is admiring the beauty and grace of a deer eating in my fields or enjoying my fresh venison jerky. I admit it the jerky thing is just to enrage the activists even if it's true. After so many years of training dogs I have come to realize that all dogs are able to be considered "family" once they know tier place in society. Too bad the tree huggers can't figure out that they are, and always will be, on the outer fringes of reality and society. The purpose of my pointed comments was to get reality like your's, Animal guy's, and BarneyTheBlueHealer's back into these forums and not let the outer finge feel it is always correct, but every once in a while they can be so I do hear and listen to them. Usually I am just baffled at seemingly intelligent people being so ignorant of reality!

  • Posted By: animal guy @ 12/16/2007 10:12:01 AM

    We must realizw who the HSUS really is. It is not the Humane Society that takes in unwanted pets or has pet support programs. It is in no way connected to your local Humane Society.
    The Humane Society of the United States is a multi-million dollar propagand organization. The "investigators" are not actual investigators but instead are people who gain access tto facilities by lying about their identity, illegal deception, and illegal entry often through breaking and entering.. They are not in any way associated with any government agency, except the IRS. They represent themselves as ,after the fact, as official investigators,while actually doing their "investigating" under cover. They do not fill out inspection reports or act in any other way that will benefit the animals. The HSUS has no legal sanction to "investigate" anything. They are listed with Homeland Security as a domestic terrorist organization. They use the title of "Humane Society" to decieve people into thinking that they are an animal welfare enforcement organization. They are not !
    Before giving any type of support to the Humane Society of the United States I reccomend that everyone investigate who thay are supporting. Even the writer of this articlle should be questioned about who they are. To represent this as an "interview" with an "investigator" is in fact a deception. And Newsweek should in fact investigate who they accept "news" articles from. Their "investigative" reporting needs to check their facts before publishing articles supporting propaganda machines that are in fact domestic terrorists and liars.

    • Posted By: kirkwynd @ 12/16/2007 1:43:05 PM

      Finally Animal Guy has hit the nail on the head with regards to this article. The real problem is that PETA and HSUS are marching hand in fist towards a future for all of us which does not include the freedom to own a companion animal. Wayne Pacelle and his band of merry men, and Ingrid Newkirk (?) from PETA use their considerable money and the ignorant or complicit media to tar and feather every person who breeds a dog with the "puppy mill" or "backyard breeder" label in order that they may ultimately achieve their frequently stated goal of the eradication of domesticated animals. Don't believe me? Do some research. Open your mind as well as your eyes!!! Yes puppy mills do exist and they're abhorrent but for Newsweek to be lauding HSUS and their like is as offensive. As a matter of fact-everybody should write a post to Newsweek and tell them to stop relying on HSUS for quotes. They're as bad as the people they purport to investigate!

      • Posted By: MMcA @ 01/13/2008 7:23:57 AM

        Neither PETA nor HSUS opposes people having animal companions. That kind of smear and exaggeration is right there with calling MLK a Communist. Both organizations go undercover to investigate because there are laws protecting the powerful from the light of day. This is especially true for large institutions that use torture animals for "testing" purposes. Criminals do not want you to see their crimes, generally. And human crimes against animals are a cultural -- no, a species institution.

        What PETA and the HSUS are asking you to think about is, Do you really want to perpetuate this? Is your makeup so important that rabbits should have their eyelids slashed off to test it? Are your McNuggets such a delicacy that you don't mind if they came from animals that lived their entire lives in a shoebox-sized cage and had their beaks seared off with soldering irons? Do you think people should have the right to electrocute their dogs for fun? If you answered Yes to any of the above, too bad, but that's your right.

  • Posted By: rain*man @ 12/16/2007 8:41:38 AM

    WOLFJIVE, I don't defend animal abuse. YOU abuse an animal thinking it understands respect and love. These are feelings EXCLUSIVE to humans. Dogs are pack animals and if you are not the dominate animal you are abusing that dog and anyone unfortunate enough to be around it. I respect my dogs and have never had to use any physical force to get them to obey whatever command I have trained them. Dogs crave being part of a pack. My animals respond with great affection to ANYONE that comes in contact with them. My gripe is about people thinking animals can be treated as people and that is simply ludicrous and in NO way helps an animal!

    • Posted By: Advocate100 @ 12/16/2007 10:00:54 AM

      I agree with you wolfjive, I believe rainman should come back as a dog in a puppy mill. He has not realized yet that the pet dogs of today have evolved from the wild pack dogs. Animals in the wild do not bred everytime they are in heat as he states. Environmental conditions such as food sources and drought dictate breeding cycles. Animals being trained has nothing to do with the conditions of puppy mills. Being kind and caring and providing any animal with dry warm comfortable home and place to sleep is not treting them as humans. It is simply doing for the animal what every living creature deserves. I suspect that rain man is running a puppy mill. To say the least, he is one of the most ill informed ignorant people I have had the misfortune to read and if he is not running a puppy mill, I suggest he go check one out and come back with the same ignorant statements he has here. I think he actually might enjoy looking at the conditions and suffering these poor animals are exposed to. These puppy mills are no better than the Nazi camps for jews.

      • Posted By: SWDogMan @ 12/16/2007 10:23:53 AM

        Thank you for yet again equating the genocide of my ancestors to something to do with animals. It shows your true anti-semetic bent and how you will use anything to push forward your agenda. Want a good website to know who's now running HSUS? Try "peta kills animals" (one word) dot see oh em.

        • Posted By: MMcA @ 01/13/2008 7:12:02 AM

          I am so tired of this kind of smear.
          1. "Equating genocide" is not demeaning to Jews, it's an attempt to get humans to take their moral responsibility seriously. I have to tell you that one of my favorite stories about the Holocaust in in Isabel Fonseca's Bury Me Standing, when Fonseca (a Jew) is talking to an elderly survivor of the camps and the woman confides to her what she considered one of the greatest outrages of the German final solution: "They treated us as if we were no better than the dirty Gypsies." I guess that makes me anti-Semitic. Dang.
          2. Yes, Peta kills animals with no hope for anything but a life as a permanent resident of a "no-kill shelter." So what? Death is not evil; suffering is evil. I support both solutions, and respect the sacrifices of people who care about animal's lives as much as they do those of humans.

      • Posted By: rain*man @ 12/16/2007 10:29:44 AM

        I would love to come back as YOUR dor. That way everytime I bite you or soil the crpet or constantly beark at the neighbors well behaved dog you will just tell ne "no, don't do that precious" and I can then go whiz on your pillow because I understood your words.................God bless the tree hugging morans

        • Posted By: MMcA @ 01/13/2008 7:06:17 AM

          I spent 13 years with a 140-lb Rott I trained as a security dog, using a reputable trainer as our mentor (he trained the local police dogs). In our thirteen years, I think I stuck him once. He didn't need to be terrorized or abused to understand I was the alpha, because I have the character and integrity to maintain that role without stooping to violence. I presume from your posts that you are one of those insecure macho nerds who need something to abuse so he'll feel more like a "real man." How pathetic.

    • Posted By: Lycanthropic @ 12/16/2007 3:58:06 PM

      Domestic dogs do indeed understand affection, and that is what seperates them from their wild ancestors. And yes, they understand respect and love. My dogs are treated as my family. They are given the proper pack structure and discipline they require and are treated as sentient beings who know loneliness and pain.

  • Posted By: baronges @ 12/14/2007 9:44:01 AM

    The puppy making industry is despicable. However, I would like to direct this post at the "holier than thous" at the humane societies. Just recently, we were looking for a dog so I explored various humane society websites. They treat the process of obtaining a dog like a [human] adoption. I adopted a child, so I know what that is like. In addition to requiring the completion of detailed personal questionnaires, many require references as well as the right to contact veterinarians and landlords. This is a turn-off to many people, including myself. Although we wouldn't want to send a dog into an unsafe situation, it appears that in many cases the humane societies are turining their noses up to adequate homes in search of the perfect one. Unfortunately for the animals, this does not lead to better homes, it often leads to euthanasia.

    • Posted By: MMcA @ 01/13/2008 6:58:04 AM

      Where I live we had a nice young man who went into a shelter, passed the screening, obtained a puppy, took it to a private place, doused it with lighter fluid and set it afire. If anything, the shelters need to do MORE screening to keep innocent animals out of the hands of the sociopaths we are breeding. A shot of phenobarbital is a lot nicer than flames. Really.

    • Posted By: kippee @ 12/16/2007 6:13:49 PM

      We just adopted a dog after several months of trying to find one. At one shelter, before even interacting with a dog, you had to complete an application and be "approved by management." Since we didn't have a fenced yard, we weren't approved, and the dog we wanted to adopt was placed with a rescue group. She's still looking for a home. We eventually adopted a dog from another shelter. There, they let us interact with her for quite a while before making a decision, or should I say, letting us get used to her decision that she was coming home with us. This shelter realized that a loving home and a good home was better than a home in a cage and shelter or being euthanized.

    • Posted By: kippee @ 12/16/2007 6:02:58 PM

      We just recently adopted a dog from a shelter, after looking for several months. We tried to adopt one dog at a local shelter, but at that particular shelter, one could not even interact with the dog unless you completed an application and were "approved by management." As we didn't have a fenced yard, they told us we weren't able to adopt from them, because it wasn't the "perfect" home for a dog. The dog we were interested in was later placed with a rescue group, and is STILL looking for a home. The shelter where we did adopt from was thrilled to place our dog in a good home, regardless of whether or not we had a fenced yard. They knew that a loving home without a fenced yard was better than no home at all.

  • Posted By: mike1964 @ 01/09/2008 7:28:02 PM

    If someone were truly concerned about dogs it seems to me he would find an adoptable dog or puppy at a shelter or through a rescue group. I've been visiting shelters and rescue groups for about ten years now and there has never been a lack of adoptable dogs. I have seen all types of dogs-big, small, puppies and older dogs, hairy and short-haired, in a multitude of shapes and colors as well. I submit that based upon my experience, nobody should have difficulty finding a dog through a shelter or rescue group. That is, unless you want the status of owning a purebreed. Or perhaps you are unable to find that perfect "accessory". Getting a new dog is a serious committment-not one for the vain or selfish!

  • Posted By: bennett6252 @ 12/16/2007 4:21:51 PM

    ALL dogs sold in pet stores come from puppy mills. ALL OF THEM. They buy cheaply for maximum retail markup.

    The puppies are cheap because they are cheaply raised by the puppy millers. No vet care, often live outdoors, bred to death. Cheap as possible.

    These puppy millers hide out in state or counties where there are few or weak laws, and local authorities will often collude with them and ignore or hide the abuse and consumer ripoffs.

    Many of these puppy millers are unlicensed also because they hide income and don't pay taxes. It's a giant scam.

    • Posted By: abbysue1998 @ 12/16/2007 7:51:30 PM

      I have to say, not ALL dogs sold in pet stores come from puppy mills. Unfortunatly, many are, but making that generalization is simply not fair. While, sadly, the majority of pet stores to sell puppy mill puppies there are some stores out there who want to rise above that and get their pups from reputable sources. I speak from experience. In my smallish community we had two locally owned pet stores. (before petco came to town) . One store sold a huge variety of puppies, at inexpensive prices. But they came from "puppy mills" and many many of them had health and temperment problems. Word spread that these were the puppies that this retailer sold and customers took notice. The other pet store does not sell puppy mill puppies. The owner sells puppies that he gets on cosignment from local hobby breeders that he has personally checked out, as well as puppies that he has bread himself. As a result the variety of breeds available at his store is not huge, and sometimes you have to wait weeks or even months for him to have more puppies for sale. But most think it is worth it. Most of us have been willing to pay his slightly high prices for quality and to support his no puppy mill stand. The store that sold mill puppies has gone out of business while the other has continued to flourish. We support him because he supports the wellfare of animals. I have family members all over the country that are noticing this change in store owners as well. So do your part in your communities. Don't just assume that all pet stores patronize the evil puppy mills. Ask questions, do your research, and if you are lucky enough to find a responsible shop owner, tell them how much you appriciate their policies. Give them your pet and pet supply business and spread the word. If you are not lucky enough to have one of these shops in your area, boycott the ones with mill puppies. Do not give them any of your business. If you have to you can order your pet supply needs online if you can't get them anywhere else. We need to get the message to these owners that we will not put up with it anymore.

      • Posted By: pupfriend @ 12/31/2007 9:04:21 PM

        abbysue. WRONG! All puppies sold in pet stores ARE from puppy mills. No reputable breeder, regardless of the size of their establishment, will sell to a pet store, or broker. Saying a pet store puppy came from a reputable, responsible, or ethical breeder, is simply an oxymoron.

  • Posted By: treestone @ 12/16/2007 4:42:26 PM

    What does it take to get government to act on this issue. This is cruelty . The presidential candidates want my vote they better get something done befor i vote...OR, i WILL vote for a third party candidate.

    • Posted By: pupfriend @ 12/31/2007 8:53:02 PM

      Treestone. Shut up! This isn't a presidential race, and if YOU decide to vote 3rd party, Who cares???????

  • Posted By: gardnerh3@yahoo.com @ 12/16/2007 6:57:59 PM

    I would just like to say I rescued to dogs myself from a puppy mill. I heard there was a three year old dog that had 3 liters (and was unable to bread again) so they "wanted rid of her". I was so sickened that they even acted like that I immediately asked for directions and picked her up (they just gave her away to a stranger- no questions asked) and took her home. She was a bischaun-frisse that they used to mate with various large dogs. She was filthy and matted and constantly shaking. They said she didn't have a name. I was shocked. I fell in love with her instantly and took her in and cleaned her up. I named her Lucy and she has been my best friend ever since. She's jsut the sweetest little dog ever and she is now 5 years old and so happy. She has just recently started to play like a little puppy (she never got to play being stuck in a cage all the time). It's so cute to watch her and it makes me cry every time I see her run around and play. I even ended up with one of her "grandsons" a few months later! We named him Buddy. Anyway, I just want to say that I tried a few times to report the farm I picked them up at. No one seemed to care. All I remember is it was a large farm about 30 minutes outside of Winchester, VA. It deals mainly with labradoodles. I know they have it looking great on the outside, but once you go in barn where they keep the dogs, it's just a nightmare. I can only hope that by writing this someone who can really make something good happen here reads this and takes action. - Anonymous, Altoona PA

    • Posted By: pupfriend @ 12/31/2007 8:23:33 PM

      Hey, Gardner.....That's Bichon Frise. Oh, and to all you who believe there is a breed called English Bulldog, EDUCATE YOURSELVES. There's the Bulldog, or Olde English Bulldogge, But no breed called English Bulldog (except by those who don't know any better)

  • Posted By: RolandIS @ 12/16/2007 10:18:48 PM

    Thundermug kennel in Alabama has14 neapolitan mastiffs - starved, infested with flees, many inbread and sick. Supposedly it is a big and reputable breeder. Yet he breeds sick dogs for money and does not provide proper care. The puppy we'got from him for over 3000 was abused beyond imagination. I'd rather buy from a small breeder who cares about his dogs. Small breeder will pay stud fee so you woun't get crippled inbread animal. Small breeder is also more likely to feed better food and keep puppy in the bedroom. Big keenels keep puppies in barns, outside kennels...Puppies from big kennels often lack attention. Can Garry from Thundermug kennel give his 14 dogs and their puppies enough attention? Nope. It seems that he lives in a different century - has no idea about "Advantage"; the puppy we've got from him had billions of flees and wounds from flees all over her body. The puppy had bones sticking out from malnutrition. Here is your big kennel. I vote for small breeders who care!!! Big breeders will say all kinds of nasty things about small breeders but it all comes to money, they the market because they have lots of pupies to sell. It is sad that media and kennel clubs do not see it.

    • Posted By: pupfriend @ 12/31/2007 7:47:31 PM

      RolandIS. You are as big a part of the problem as any other uneducated buyer. You keep repeating the old "inbred" statement, and the fact is...Inbreeding is seldom the cause of such congenital problems as hip displasia. It's CARELESS breeding that is to blame. You are as likely to get congeital defects from outcross breeding as from inbreeding. Linebreeding is the best way to know what recessive characteristics you have in your BLOODLINE, which, by the way isn't something you can have without line breeding. Knowing your animal's bloodline is the foundation to improving a breed.

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