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THE LAW

Suburban Swingers

On a quiet street in a Dallas suburb, dozens of guests have been meeting for sex in a private house. Do they have a right to party?

By Gretel C. Kovach | Newsweek Web Exclusive
Dec 14, 2007 | Updated: 6:14  p.m. ET Dec 14, 2007

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  • Posted By: stargazinc @ 03/16/2008 8:30:32 AM

    Comment: http://www.online4love.com is the primary way my husband and I meet likeminded "friends with benefits." There's no uncomfortable wondering if you ought to approach someone, you already know upfront when you meet them, and it is definitely worth the extra cost of becoming silver/gold imo, so you can exchange notes or pics before meeting and make sure its a good fit.

    My hubby is str8 and I am bi and we have had no problem finding partners on online4love.com. We've had fun sex with lots of single men, single women and full swap couples that we met on O4L. And yes, I'm real, and no, I don't work for O4L or think they're perfect (they can be pricey and they goober up email sometimes,) but I think they're the best thing going by far for meeting other people who just want to have sex without strings!

  • Posted By: LibertyorDeath @ 01/02/2008 6:09:28 PM

    Comment: The majority of comments seem to be concerned foThe majority of comments seem to be concerned for the neighbors. The article clearly states "they have few neighbors" they have a "one acre lot near a state park" and are near a Boy Scout arear the neighbors. The article clearly states "they have few neighbors" they have a "one acre lot near a state park" and are near a Boy Scout campground. Clearly we are not talking about a suburb with little or no space between homes. I find it very hard to beleive that they have so many neighbors that they take over the streets. Referencing how your neighborhood would be inconvenienced is absurd. First off one acre is huge, a campground is huge, and a state park is huge, odds are their nearest neighbor is at least a few acres away. Which would mean their "blocks" are much larger than a standard sub-urb or urban block. Buts lets say that they did monopolize the streets. What was the compaint when they arragned off site parking? If the cars are parked in a parking lot in a different part of town than whats the problem? Exactly there isn't one other than the fact that their party has sex. They are not trying to recruit people, they are not trying to corrput the youth, that are not doing anything illegal so leave alone. I know people that live together and they arent married, should they be kicked out of town as well?

  • Posted By: Ultimates @ 12/28/2007 2:18:06 PM

    Comment: The so-called "moral" people in this comment section want to force others to live according to their beliefs or be killed. They call themselves "Christians." Christian means "Christ-like." Jesus never killed anyone, so if you kill someone, you are not being "Christ-like." Jesus never said or did a lot of things that many of you "moral" writers say, so you are not being "Christ-like." Make up your minds, for Moral=Christ-like. If you are not acting as Jesus, then you are not moral.

  • Posted By: ittakesbrains @ 12/28/2007 1:26:45 AM

    Comment: I couldn't care less what people do in their own homes...however, I wouldn't want to have my neighbor accross the street having parties every weekend, tying up parking, or making alot of noise. We have a party once a year (no, not a swingers party.) I do have a neighbor a block over who used to have parties every weekend...we finaly just called and had the vehicles towed by the city as a continued nuisance. I meen, I don't take up their parking areas EVERY weekend...Sound like their club grew to be TOO big and they din't have the sense to curb the numbers or to be curteous to the4ir neighbors...What you do in your own home is private until its side issues like parking and noice spill over onto my privacy, then it needs to be curtailed.

  • Posted By: americannewsjunkie @ 12/27/2007 7:16:45 PM

    Comment: Wow! I'm blown away by how many folks actually read this article and then took the time to comment! Hubby and I have been married 25 years, lived in the same house for 25 years, and have owned the same business for 25 years. To say we are "regular, middle class folks, living the American dream, is summing us up pretty well. Stability and contributions to our community over this quarter century is a halmark we are proud of. I'd say that a high percentage of neighbors, business associtates, community leaders and lifestyle friends would all call us normal, nice, high morals, high standards kind of people. Be careful who you judge, a swinger may be in the cubicle beside you! :)

  • Posted By: FUCK YOU @ 12/27/2007 3:11:50 AM

    Comment: fOR ALL YOU LYING FAGGOTS LIKE jIMMY sWAGGART, WHO *** OVER HIS WIFE WITH A PROSTITUTE, NOT TO MENTION THE CHURCH GOING BAPTIST *** THAT HE AND MANY OTHERS ARE...SWINGERS DON'T CHEAT..THEYU HAVE FUN WITH EACH OTHER AND OTHERS AND THOSE WHO CONDEMN THEM ARE USUALLY JUST CLOSET CHEATER, CHURCH GOER, FAGGOT, BASATRDS LIKE sWAGGART, rOBERTSON, AND THE MANY OTHER TELEVANGELIST thieves THAT WISH TO IMPOSE THEIR BULLSHIT UPON THE PUBLIC. *** them and anyone else WHO SEEKS TO IMPOSE THEIR "VIEWS" UPON OTHERS AND ESPECIALLY THE FAGOT JUDGES WHO ARE SECRET MEMBERS OF THE SAINTS AND SINNERS CLUBS AROUND AMERICA. THESE SCUMBAGS CONDEMN EVERYONE FOR EVERYTHING WHILE AT THE SAME TIME ENGAGE IN THE SAME ACTS "SECRETLY"!..*** YOU PARTICULARLY!...AND TO THOSE WHO ARE TO STUPID TO UNDERSTAND SEXUAL FREEDOM...ROT IN YOUR BIBLE ANAD WHEN YOU GET *** OUT OF YOUR LAST PRAYER BY IT NEVER BEING GRANTED, I TOLD YOU SO....

    • Posted By: Goldstariv @ 12/27/2007 15:09:30

      Comment: Although a little brash and loud, you are very right in your angry shout... These so-called "religious" icons that try to raise society and keep it under a tightly knit and controlled condition are always seeking to hang someone for something. Anything.. Hell, in some religions it is "sin" to eat pork.. Are we serious? Man will do and say anything to bend perception in the name of his agenda... To fear the word of man.... I pity you..

      • Posted By: ittakesbrains @ 12/28/2007 01:45:04

        Comment: godie, doldie, goldie...please tell me you aren't suggesting that finding pork to be unclean is anywhere as important as the garbage as the other poster? come on, I bet their are things you think are wrong that would make us laugh at you foolishness (oh that's right, if you believe it, it can't be foolish,) The poster is dead worng. He assumes everyone is a hypocrit, that everyone's objections are religious, and shows his ignorance by being unable to do more than bash everyone without any personal knowledge of the situation. Judges haven't yet been involved here. This action was taken by a city council, who determines what businesses or clubs are allowed in RESIDENTIAL areas. If this couples home was in the country, with plenty of off-street parking, and didn't ask for money for sex...I doubt anyone would give a flying flip...but since it is in a residential area...I would vote for curtailment. Frankly, the group has gotten too large and has become discurteous to the surrounding neighbors. My goodness, the article read that as many as 100 people showed up on the weekends...ny city has laws for parking, occupancy, and codes for the safety of everyone...why should an organized group be allowed to flaunt all the laws simply because the action is based on sex? Why does that mean that the city council are religious nuts who want to ban sex, maybe they cant get the group to be curteous and had to go this far...after all the article said their had been numerous complaints from neighbors about noise and parking in their NEIGHBORHOOD!!! We aren't talking about the business section of town or an isolated country place, but in a community. Learn a little before you decide it is all based on RELIGION!!!

  • Posted By: Goldstariv @ 12/26/2007 4:54:43 PM

    Comment: despite what the religions of "common" america may say, and the so called "moral" laws we are told to follow.. I follow none , and I live for the day, not the man behind the message.. So while everyone is out trying to find way to label things as "wrong" and "right" as if their mortal opinions matter, I embrace the strong, and the opposition.. I accept the unacceptable, because I have a free mind.. One not clouded by the words of mortal men, nor a god created in "his" image.. Our lives are what we want them to be, and sex is not as "sinful" as these religious ones will like us all to believe.. It's as natural as the hatred that plagues this life.. Sex is an excersise that stimulates the one of our most sensitive muscle groups, the reproductive ones.. Its no where NEAR "taboo" for people to allow multiple people to give them massages.. It's all in making our "neighbor" feel as comfortable as possible.. So please, get over yourselves.. You and your religions have cause enough damage to this awkward society already.. (see Iraq)..

  • Posted By: gbsaddletramp @ 12/25/2007 9:06:40 PM

    Comment: I'm not into swinging. But to each his own. Mr. Omega there is a difference between swinging and pedophilia, a big difference. Swinging is adults committing consensual acts of sex, where as pedophilia is the forcing of a juvenile into a sex act by cohersion. Sometimes no matter how much you love someone, the sexual needs are not quite met by your partner, and this could injure a relationship. Swinging helps when these are not met. And as both of the parties in the relationship agree, and participate, it is a lot more honest and safer for all parties concerned then picking up a one night stand at the local club or picking up a prostitute.

  • Posted By: 0mega @ 12/25/2007 1:08:18 AM

    Comment: just a follow-up - stop trying to make what you do into "normal", like its no big deal. As long as you try to rub our faces into your filthy lifestyle, it is a big deal. I know you think there are millions like you living under our noses, but you might be wrong about that. I fully condemn what you try to bring into the light. Keep your filthy secrets in your dark group rooms. We live in democracy, and that means that the majority rules. So if a town full of this "insane"(to you) one-partner families wants your disgusting ass out - get the hell out. As far as I'm concerned you can all make camp in the middle of nowhere and hump each other dry till you die. -BTW - for statistics: I am a 29 year old caucasian male, married w 3 kids. I still enjoy a healty relationship with my wife (for 7 years now).And no - I am not a religious fruit-cake or member of any retarded hate gropus (such as your ideology cousins: neo-nazis, kkk and all that other crap that fits in perfect with your "we are normal people" degenerate swingers) PS: you are not normal poeple. Your dirty ways are not accepted here, so get lost, maggots.

    • Posted By: LibertyorDeath @ 01/02/2008 17:40:42

      Comment: Your ignorance is as insane as your ccomments. You are actually dumb enough to beleive that because the majority wants something they get it? You probably one of those typical "white males" that sees nothing wrong with your community denying black and minorities, because "the majoirty doesnt want them". Sit down and shut up. Your insane rambling has no place in a society of "normal" people. Since there is no standard of normal how can you tell everyone what is normal? They are not saying that the people are insane for wanting a monogamous relationship (that means one partner) they are insane for attempting to force their views onto others. If you would get your moronic-prejudiced-nonsense out of yours ears you might actually catch onto the issue. Oh since you love meaningless statistics i am a single 22yr white male. I am completely opposed to swinging, but I also am completely opposed to your nazi-fascist-MY-WAY-OR-DIE mentality. YOU SIR are whats wrong with this country. I feel nothing but regret for what your children had to endure under you ignorant parenting. You disgust me, your opinions are as worthless as you and your family.

    • Posted By: Idahocpl @ 12/25/2007 15:55:04

      Comment: Mr. Omega, your posts have made us laugh. Thanks for that and Merry Christmas! Our statistics can be summed up the same way. We are in our late 40's. We've been VERY (see the emphasis on ???very????) happily married for 24 years with three kids whom we adore. Believe me when I say we still have a healthy, fun, great sexual relationship with each other. There is NO lack of intimacy. You say you're not a member of a hate group, but you have proven here you are. You wish ill upon others for things you don't understand. Name calling only proves further of your immaturity. I hope for your children???s sake, you aren???t teaching them your manners. Yes, many of us are well educated professionals in the lifestyle. We???ve actually been to college and have graduated in the top of our classes. This includes all the physicians, nurses, engineers and *GASP* psychologists who read those text books you talk about. We hurt nobody. There is however, CONSENSUAL sex among friends. There is no cheating going on, and nobody is hurting anyone. In fact, cheating is very looked down upon in our lifestyle. I???m not looking to change your closed mind, and it???s clear what you think of us lifestyler???s, and that???s ok. We???re not willing to change and neither are you. Happy New Year!

  • Posted By: 0mega @ 12/25/2007 12:38:10 AM

    Comment: all swingers can go straight to hell. no matter how you try to "swing" it you all are a bunch of degenerate mentally ill scumbags. i am a firm believer in civil rights and 5th ammendament, but I scum like you belong in the same class with child molesters (they voice the same song - the 5th, they have ridicoulos organizations like the Man Boy love association, etc). The moral values that our society treis to enforce are trying to promote a healthy and civilized lifestyle. Animals like you are not to be allowed to corrupt the already partially disfunctional perception of social values of todays teenagers. It makes me laugh when you say that what you do makes your couple relationship stronger. The atmosphere you breed can only generate inhibitions that later on translate into things like: serial killeres, insane murder rampage, etc.
    You say that educated people are swingers....that funny too. Anyone who ever read a pshycology book would know the implications of a complete loss of intimacy. While the gays are not allowed to have any civil union rights, crap like you want to ruin all there is still considered pure. Burn in hell, losers. You are a shame to the human race.

    • Posted By: ittakesbrains @ 12/28/2007 01:58:41

      Comment: you clearly have little idea of that which you speak. These people aren't DIRTY...They are discurteous and a nuisance. The city decided that clubs like this did not belong in their town...whether it was for religious reasons or not, we don't really know, we weren't at the council meetings. What we do know is that neighbors had complained of the parking and noise for years!!! When we complain of a party making too much noise (or one time, partiers actually parked in MY driveway) the police would politely ask the revelers to quiet down (and to move their car.) But when the parties are every week, they start issuing citations, when that doesn't work, maybe they need to enact a law so that the punishments (for being jerks to their neighbors) keep getting stiffer (no pun intended.) Their is no way to know that the issue is really religious in motiveation.

  • Posted By: punkspop @ 12/24/2007 5:50:32 PM

    Comment: For couples with a healthy relationship-married or not-swinging is a healthy, fun lifestyle. It is not about illegal activity, drugs, rape, etc. The small-minded people who think swinging is a depravity equal to pedophilia are so off the mark it is unbelievable. However, they would also be very incapable of the trust, committment and love it takes to be a part of this wonderful, sharing, lifestyle.

  • Posted By: clydeedjohnson @ 12/24/2007 3:15:03 PM

    Comment: I'm not a swinger although I have often wondered what the lifestyle was like and from what I have read I don't have any problem with it! I might want to check it out,Know where one is in Odessa,Tx?

  • Posted By: tampacpl @ 12/21/2007 11:28:53 PM

    Comment: As long time swingers my husband and I never cease to be amazed at the comments made by those not familiar with the lifestyle. Like any group of people you have all types, but some things that has always stood out for us is that swingers almost always are in long term, stable relationships, are content with their lives, ( not just the sex either) and seem to have a strong libertarian streak. I remember recently having dinner with a large group of our lifestyle friends and as we discussed careers, families, etc ,it truly stood out at what a unique type of person was involved. As one friend said, people in the lifestyle tend to be successful in business or the arts because we tend to "think outside the box". So it is no surprise to hear comments from repressed, unhappy people, who are convinced that all swingers are degenerate, STD ridden deviants. Especially as they have never knowingly met a real swinger! The area we live in has a multitude of swinger clubs, open to the public, well advertized on the net and since we are a winter vacation spot, you would be surprized at who shows up during the season. We may have met, and played with your minister, (oh yes, lots of 'em come to Florida in the winter), your childrens teacher or your local politicians. As many have posted, your children are probably far safer next to a swinger club than a catholic church or a Boy Scout camp. That's where the real pedophiles hang out. So, if you don't want to be a swinger, don't be one, but for the rest of you...c'mon in the waters great.

    • Posted By: Idahocpl @ 12/22/2007 17:14:16

      Comment: Agreed. Us in the lifestyle are some of the most selfless spouses you will ever meet. It's a gift we give to our spouses to explore their sexuality. To those who can't wrap their heads around what we do -- it's ok, really. You don't have to understand. If swinging was considered a crime, at least it's a victimless one. We don't spread STD's nor do we prey upon children. Please, educate yourselves before you judge.

  • Posted By: LibertyorDeath @ 12/21/2007 7:42:19 PM

    Comment: To equate swingers with pedophiles like the man in the article did is absurd. There is a big difference berween a sexual predator who preys on young innocent children and two or more consenting adults who decide to have non-conformist sex. It is also absurd to say that a community can deny a busniess or club or a private citizens private party. I seem to remeber sevral communities who decided not to let blacks and hispanics and other minorities in their town; which was later determined to be illegal. To say a community is the law about what happens in it is crazy. If I want to have sex with five people fine its my right, just as it is right to not have sex with anyone. We are not a communist or socialist state, we are a democratic republic. The government be it federal, state, or local has no right to determine what we do in our homes, obviuosly our action s must be legal though. Also comparing a group of consenting adults who party at one another's house to a strip club is outrageous. They are not a strip club, they are not a brothel, they are not a club, they are not a business. They are private citizens on private property behind private walls doing private things in a group setting. As they stated if they were having a super bowl party no one would care. To justify blatant persecution under the veneer of "majority rule" did not work for racism or religous persecution and it should not work for sexual persecution.

  • Posted By: Thomas Jefferson @ 12/21/2007 5:39:44 PM

    Comment: This whole article and subsequent comments is the scariest thing I have read in decades. No one, neighbors, local govt., state, feds have the right to dictate what we do in our homes....period, end of story. I am appalled at the sadistic , rights trampling comments here. Our fore fathers, our peers, our sons and daughters die by the millions to preserve freedom and you have the gall to make these post here? Sex is normal, it's natural, and it no one's business, no matter who it's with.

    • Posted By: ittakesbrains @ 12/28/2007 02:12:17

      Comment: Hey TJ, are you for real? The local, state and fed gov certainly have the right to dictate what we do in our homes, if what we do may have a negative impact on others...I realize that you see this article as relating only to sex...but try this...can you add on an addition to your home without government intervention? or rewire your home? how about fix the sewer on your own property. Probably not!!! Most cities have ordinances, states have them, and so do the Feds. You cannot have Child porn, even in your own home, because it effects more than just you!!! This clud has gotten so big that it is a nuisance!!! Take it out in the country where the parking and noise affects NO ONE! I wouldn't want my neighbors to have 20, 30 or more cars trying to park in my neighborhood every weekend. Where would my kids and grandkids park when they come to visit? After all, their is room for 3 cars in from of my home and then two in the driveway. It is assumed, in small communities, that those parking spaces are for the individual homeowners guests, not some jerks three blocks down. Now I wouldn't mind, one in a while for a reunion or wedding etc. if those were taken, but every blasted weekend... You are correct, sex is natural and normal...but the actions of this group is RUDE!!! And if it took the council to ban all groups in residential areas (so as not to discriminate against this one group) then you should be screaming at theese people from ruining it for others who try to be curteous!!!

  • Posted By: Thomas Jefferson @ 12/21/2007 5:37:12 PM

    Comment: This whole article and subsequent comments is the scariest thing I have read in decades. No one, neighbors, local govt., state, feds have the right to dictate what we do in our homes....period, end of story. I am appalled at the sadistic , rights trampling comments here. Our fore fathers, our peers, our sons and daughters die by the millions to preserve freedom and you have the gall to make these post here? Sex is normal, it's natural, and it no one's business, no matter who it's with.

  • Posted By: Speaking my mind @ 12/21/2007 4:23:07 PM

    Comment: While I do not personally care if people have swinger parties or not, I do feel that it is the right of every community to be able to say where such activities can take place. I would not want a strip club by kids schools, and if most people in a community do not want a sex club on their street, they have the right not have it there. These clubs can exist, but not just anywhere they want to put them.

  • Posted By: Choices for All @ 12/21/2007 12:47:46 PM

    Comment: I personally believe that if whatever a person chooses to do should not be dictated, including drugs, sex, lyrics, etc, as long as their actions do not cause harm to another person. It is not the job of our government to govern morality. In my opinion, a person's morals are their own. The government can tell you that you're not allowed to die by your own hand if you so choose. They tell you that you can't do drugs in your own home when you have no intention of leaving it. In some states, you're not allowed to by sexual aids (They say it's immoral).

    My firm belief is that our choices in this country are diminishing. When do we say no more? I don't tell my neighbors what they can't do what they choose behind closed doors. Now, if they leave their curtains open for my son to see, that's when I would have the problem.

  • Posted By: ktschmatie @ 12/20/2007 9:34:01 PM

    Comment: Spanky, ironically the constitution doesn't give people the freedom to do whatever they choose to do. Many "rights" that people "see" in the constitution just aren't there.

    • Posted By: LibertyorDeath @ 12/21/2007 19:48:07

      Comment: Many of the "rights" that we "see" aren't "there because it would be impossible to determine everything that people would want the right to do. I also believe the Ninth amendment specifaclly protects additional rights that are not explicitly mentioned and the Tenth amendment states that powers not reserved for the federal or states governments nor denied to them are reserved for the states and the people. Since I see no place where the constitution says "No group sex" than these rights are "there" and can be "seen" if you read and more importantly understand the constitution.

  • Posted By: spanky1984 @ 12/20/2007 5:34:40 PM

    Comment: The constitution of this country gives the people the freeedom to chose what they do. It would be a shame to see another right taken away by the governments. These are adults using the right to chose how they have sex. What is wrong with that.? They hurt no one in the process. Everyone who attends has chosen of thier own free will to do so. Don't let the government continue to take all your rights away .Stand up for your rights. that were given to you by the constitiution of this country.

  • Posted By: dee4597 @ 12/20/2007 5:00:30 PM

    Comment: its funny that sex is a taboo subject but every one does it !!!

  • Posted By: alphabet @ 12/20/2007 4:54:12 PM

    Comment: I get so tired of self-appointed "saviors" telling everyone what they should or should not be doing. You may not agree with what they're doing, but so what. You aren't forced to participate. Everyone has become too concerned with what the neighbors are doing they don't see what's going on in their own house. Stop worrying about people who are not harming anyone else and focus on your own life. As adults we get to make our own choices, good or bad. Has anyone noticed those spouting religious judgements always think their way is the only way? You have the right to think how you want, just not the right to force others to conform to your way. Our society is becoming less forgiving every day. Many won't accept others who don't agree with them 100%. Different doesn't equal wrong. We're not programmed robots. We have opinions and beliefs and it's okay if they're different. I wouldn't want everyone to think the same way and be the same way. How awfully boring it would be.

  • Posted By: Ruth in California @ 12/19/2007 5:18:50 PM

    Comment: I know many wonderful people who are swingers. They are strong, loving couples and good parents. They just have a different view than most people of what sex means to them as a couple.

    susanlee's comment that this is a "sexual perversion" and that it "doesn't stop at swinging" is analogous to the idea that anyone who has had marijuana goes on to harder drugs. Or if a couple have oral sex (if you think that is a "perversion") then they will continue on to bestiality. A ridiculous concept with fallacious reasoning.

    • Posted By: susanlee @ 12/19/2007 21:59:29

      Comment: Your response doesn't surprise me. God weighed in on this issue long ago. We live in a culture that has rejected God, and the truth of His word

      • Posted By: clydeedjohnson @ 12/24/2007 15:24:20

        Comment: When was the last time you had an orgasm,probably never!!!

  • Posted By: brierydog @ 12/19/2007 12:59:11 PM

    Comment: This is America. If we do not have the freedom to do what we wish in our homes (not committing murder or molesting children obviously) then where will the invasion of privacy stop? Get real people, what a couple chooses to do in their home and in their marraige is their business. Believe it or not, people have the right to be sanctimonious ***-holes, or saints, or anything in between. Making laws to govern sexual practices between consenting adults is infringing on civil liberties.

  • Posted By: susanlee @ 12/18/2007 8:01:55 PM

    Comment: Your habits are the sum of your character. If they are into this type of sexual perversion, they don't stop at swinging.

    • Posted By: LibertyorDeath @ 12/21/2007 19:58:06

      Comment: I did not realize that you personally knew these people. To make a comment that they do not stop at swinging means you have to had met the person; talked to them, laughed with them, cried with them. I mean how else could you determine what their character is or what their limits are, i suppose you could be speaking out of ignorance though. I believe there is Book that states something like "Only God can judge" and "Judge not, lest ye be judged." Or do only obey the parts of the Bible you agree with? And if God weighed in on this issue then why did all the kings of Israel, his Chosen Nation, have concubines? I remeber reading that Solomon had so many women if he had only sex with one a day it would take two years to finish his list. Whats up with that? At this point it would seem that a Catholic church as a neighbor is more frightenening than any swingers party.

  • Posted By: tchr29 @ 12/18/2007 5:46:28 PM

    Comment: But others denounced the swinging lifestyle. "It's immoral," says one neighbor, Jack Martin, a 74-year-old retiree. "Would you want someone living next to you who was a pedophile if you have a bunch of kids? It's on the same line. The frame of mind is the same. The end result is the same: sex."

    This is ridiculous. Of course I wouldn't want a pedophile living next to me. However, I can't imagine that the 7-year old said, "yes, give it to me please." These are ADULTS! They are choosing this lifestyle. The result is the same - sex?? Well yes, but please Mr. Martin, do you hate sex in all its forms? Because I can't believe this 74 year old is a virgin. Just because somebody doesn't have YOUR beliefs doesn't mean they are wrong. Get a life.

  • Posted By: gypsy1971 @ 12/18/2007 1:57:30 PM

    Comment: With all that's going on in the world, all the REAL problems; who gives a damn about what these people are doing in their bedroom. If they are consenting adults, and they aren't breaking any laws, hurting children or animals, etc....who cares! People, mind your own business! Get a life of your own! Quite judging everybody all the time!

  • Posted By: smilingcouple @ 12/18/2007 1:49:10 PM

    Comment: We pride ourselves on Individual Rights but at the first sign someone is having any fun the religious right comes out of the woodwork. What if I mandate you have to have sex 3 times a week or are inviolation of the law. Leave people alone if their activity does not adversely effect others.

  • Posted By: J_T_Hutt @ 12/18/2007 1:23:38 PM

    Comment: "After examining the couple???s Web site, officials found a request for a suggested donation of $50 per couple (since removed) and accused Trulock of running a sex business from his home. In early November the Duncanville city council passed a law against sex clubs, calling them a public nuisance to the self-proclaimed family-friendly city."

    I think the above is still the main reason for the interference. Their bedroom would still be private if they had not made the request for the donations which gave the city council some time to stop surfing porn and raise a stink.

    • Posted By: Cssndra @ 12/18/2007 13:47:19

      Comment: I concur - if the couple had never mentioned money (even cleverly couching it as a "donation"), the government would only be able to continue to harass them with traffic violations. The government, by bringing the suit, is violating the individual's right to privacy by saying (in effect) "you do not have the right to have privacy in your own home". Please note that the concept of privacy in one's own home has repeatedly (at least with cases that are sexual in nature) been supported by the court system.

  • Posted By: skinny703 @ 12/18/2007 12:33:57 PM

    Comment: "ninety percent of anyone opposed is either terrified at the idea that maybe it's something they'd like to try or they're jealous they're not invited" - Ninety percent of those in support feel this way, not the other way around. It's a disgusting, deplorable act. If my grandparents were involved in an activity like this, I would be appalled. This does affect people other than those involved. It degrades society and places people in unworthy associations. Since when is it okay to place your affection on someone else other than who you're married to and committed to? And the whole "they're not cheating on each other"... They are. Even if the other person knows about it doesn't make it okay. They're just not doing it behind their back.
    I'm not saying anything about the government involvement. I'm only saying that swinging should not be happening and that the relationship within marriage is special and not to be duplicated by pseudo-love. (And I don't think that the only reason for having sexual relations is to procreate. I agree that it is for pleasure as well. However, this is to be used only within the bonds of marriage, it's not something you hand out to everyone you see at a party.)

    • Posted By: DWindyCity @ 12/18/2007 18:31:07

      Comment: You should be appalled at the idea that you think you have the right to pass judgement on others. You do not want someone in your life telling you what is okay for you to do in your own home. I do not like smores but that does not give me liscence to tell you not to cook thim in your house.
      These people are doing things they enjoy in their own home. They do not believe that sex is only to had with their marital partner. If they are wrong they will be corrected when God draws judgement on them. It is not for you to do. We forget that in our homes it should be up to us to do what we will. The only stipulation should be that we are not harming anyone in the process. There are not any children involved nor any unwilling participants being held against their will. Let people be. The more laws we create the more there are to enforce. I would rather see our government trying to solve real crimes. The fact that they have time to harass these people indicates they probably need to lay a few folks off.
      Remember before you judge they are not bringing it to you or asking you to join in. You chose to read the article. If this kind of activity is so discusting to you why did you continue to read it? I personally feel the lifestyle is immoral. I feel the same way about homosexuality and abortion. I get to make that choice for myself. Just as these people get to make it for themselves. It is not for me to tell them they are wrong.
      Grow up an realize that yoor liberties are jsut that liberities. That is until some group decide to pass judgememt on them and take it out on you.

    • Posted By: DWindyCity @ 12/18/2007 18:11:18

      Comment: Let the Lord aboe judge these folks if it is wrong. As long as you are not being encouraged or forced to join it does not involve you or your idea of morallity. It is time we allow people to be responsible for their own actions and quit trying to force our beliefs on everyone. If they are not forcing anyone to do this with them I do not see who they are harming. My personal belief is that it is wrong but that is my belief not theirs. I have to answer for myself just as they have to answer forthemselves.

  • Posted By: leslie110 @ 12/18/2007 11:59:49 AM

    Comment: I don't understand how the government can't dictate private activity in your own home. It makes no sense to me. Let people do what they want.

  • Posted By: hogansdogans @ 12/18/2007 11:11:43 AM

    Comment: ninety percent of anyone opposed is either terrified at the idea that maybe it's something they'd like to try or they're jealous they're not invited. if there are no drugs or violence involved then why poop the party?

  • Posted By: fixerlower @ 12/18/2007 4:52:20 AM

    Comment: The freaking goverment [fed ,state,county,and city ] should stay the hell out of our bedrooms and medicine cabinets and require everyone that drives a vehical to burn propane fuel in it. That would solve about 30% of whats wrong with this country and for the people that don't get it let them work in the coal mines
    not to produce a fuel but just too occupy their idle minds.

    • Posted By: bopdaddytoo @ 12/18/2007 15:47:08

      Comment: your comment about coal is way off of the mark as most of the electricy produced in this couhntry is done be burrning coal

    • Posted By: bopdaddytoo @ 12/18/2007 15:45:27

      Comment: your comment about coal miners is off of the mark as most of the electricy is produced by coal

    • Posted By: bopdaddytoo @ 12/18/2007 15:45:22

      Comment: your comment about coal miners is off of the mark as most of the electricy is produced by coal

  • Posted By: luis42 @ 12/18/2007 2:13:39 AM

    Comment: These people are not hurting anyone. They might not do things the way that you or I do things but, who is to say that there way is wrong. Different does not mean wrong. If you don't like it, then don't visit them. People should mind there own business and just leave this couple and there friends alone.

  • Posted By: luis42 @ 12/18/2007 2:09:34 AM

    Comment: Whatever happened to honesty is the best policy. These people are not cheating on one another. It might not be the way that I do things. It might not be the way that you do things, but who is to say that it is the wrong way. If it works for them and, they are hurting anyone, leave then alone and mind your own business.

  • Posted By: bmiller66 @ 12/18/2007 1:12:59 AM

    Comment: The sad part of all this is that it is socially acceptable to lie to your mate and have affairs outside of marriage - but people are repulsed by honest and open relationships, and - for some reason - feel like they can judge what people do in the privacy of their own bedrooms. Mind your own business and quit sitting on your porches with binoculars - worrying about what your neighbor smight be doing.

  • Posted By: xebob @ 12/18/2007 12:21:47 AM

    Comment: This reminds me of an article about a stripper from the 1950's in which it stated that she had felt that stripping and being religious were pretty much the same thing. Stripping had given her a sense of worth from the adulation from men that was shown her when she was on stage, a sense of being loved and cherished. Feeling like you are loved, valued, cherished, special, are spirtual feelings that a lot of people get when they go to church or to a revival. The point is, like a baby licking lead painted walls to get the nutrition it lacks, a lot of people do things that aren't really healthy in order to try to get the things they find lacking in their own lives. Do I think stripping or swinging leads to long-term happiness? Well, no. It's wanting the right things by going for them in a wrong kind of way.

  • Posted By: cadillacman @ 12/17/2007 11:17:53 PM

    Comment: I just wonder what Merit Badges the Scouts across the street will be going for. Sincerely this would not be such an issue if someone minded their own business instead of sticking it into someone elses. The best way to deal with the CHERRY PIT would have been to ignore it in the first place. On the other hand just maybe, they secretly wish that they were a weekend guest at the CHERRY PIT or at least wondered what it would be like. I am 60+ years old and see nothing wrong with pitching in for food, refrishments, etc. and meeting other people. No you don't have to go to bed with someone in order to enjoy their company. What the local government is doing there borders on harassment!

  • Posted By: warwizard87 @ 12/17/2007 10:10:15 PM

    Comment: The closest thing to sex corrupting the nation was the fact that many of its rulers would only marry in family which caused the blood lines to become, well, cluttered with mental disorders. This has little to do with lust however, and more to do with the fact it was believed the emperors line was descended from the gods and meant to be kept pure.

    Those are just 2 examples No civilisation has ever been destroyed due to sex, lust for power yes, we see that with in our own society very frequently.

    Define family? I am guessing your definition is your parents your spouse your children and your siblings and there families. Right? Well that's your definition of family perception is everything here. I fail to see how a group of adults who want to do something that harms no one. Are you harmed by it? Those people in Texas don't deserve your scorn or your pity they deserve to be let alone. If the city had let them alone would we be having this conversation right now? Nope. Why cuz then you would not care, and i would not have to worry about the values of the bill of rights being trampled on once again.

    Let me ask you this whats more appalling? in fact lets ask every one here and take a poll . violence or sex?

    to me violence is appalling, it has destroyed more lives then any number of sexual act. (I consider rape as violence over sex since rape has little to do with sex but with control) yet on television we allow ALOT of violence but the second 1 human reproduction organ is shown its the end of the world. How can we ignore the deaths in TVs and moves and get angry over a act of love?

    Its hippicritical we say oh i hate violence and love is the most important aspect of the world. Yet we sit back and let our children watch the violent TV but forbid them to watch anything that shows sex. yet we want them to have sex in the future and not shoot some one.....which one do they see more? Now i am not saying we should start showing full frontal nudity on TV but don't any one else notice that double standard?

    **fan boy moment**. Julie Norris !! she is a Norris... all hail chuck Norris. Under chuck Norris beard there is no chin, just another fist** end fan boy moment*

  • Posted By: warwizard87 @ 12/17/2007 10:09:54 PM

    Comment: exactly what civilizations collapsed due to sex??? power yes, sex never. And don't bring up Sodom and Gomorrah because that alludes to a deity becoming involved. And the fact that they have never been found to study, and fact is the only major source of the info is from the bible, but this is another discussion.

    You know what the major difference between humans and animals is? Imagination we can literayl create scenarios is our mind animals lack this cognitive ability. That is about the only real difference between us and other animals, in fact if not for that cognitive ability we would be extinct, we are very weak and frail as a species. lets discuss some of the super powers of the ancient world that collapsed.

    first of we have Alexander the great ( Greek July 20, 356 BC ??? June 10, 323 BC ) a great general and leader who united large areas of the known world. His empire collapsed as his sons fought over the empire after his death. (power destroyed this empire not sex. )

    Roman empire this lasted a whole 12 centuries, (that's a pretty long time)" The Roman empire went into decline in the 5th century AD. Plagued by internal instability and attacked by various migrating peoples from beyond its borders, the western part of the empire, including Hispania, Gaul, and Italy, broke up into independent kingdoms in the 5th century" * Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Rome *

  • Posted By: skinny703 @ 12/17/2007 8:41:58 PM

    Comment: "tell that to the trillions of animals in nature i doubt any of them have a ceremony" I wholeheartedly agree with you. I don't think that you have your "animals in nature" go to work and earn you money, so why do we? There is a difference between humans and animals in nature and you know that. You don't even need to have religion tell you.
    Understanding the downfall of ancient civilizations as they disguise their lustful desires for power or sex allows individuals to see the effects of the belief of "I can do whatever I want as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else." Our actions (even in private) affect who we are and our contribution to society. Just because you don't see the germs inside or outside someone's body doesn't mean that you will not be infected by them. Similarly, we are affected by the good acts that people accomplish. Just because no one notices your kind deeds or attributes does not mean that they do not have an effect on society.
    This kind of activity promotes degeneration of the family and society as a whole. Our nation is only as strong as our families. As we see the breakup of the family, so will we see the breakup of our nation.

  • Posted By: mz_briggs513 @ 12/17/2007 7:35:40 PM

    Comment: I do not think I could ever live a "swinging" lifestyle. However, when something goes on behind closed doors, causes no outsiders any physical or financial harm, and has not broken any laws, why is that the business of the neighbors or local government? It appears to me that it is a case of discrimination. Laws were created to specifically target one group of people. If this were an ATV club or a quilting club and a donation were requested to offset the cost of running the meetings and supporting the meeting location overhead, the point would be moot. The glorious thing about this country is the freedom it promises it's citizens. The freedom to change the channel if you don't like the shows offered, to not read a book if you don't agree with it's subject matter, to approach God openly, the freedom to NOT live a lifestyle you don't agree with...The one freedom I feel to be most abused in this country is the right to express your outrage by trying to force people to conform to narrow-minded ideas of what is right and wrong. What is private should never be exposed and manipulated to give close-minded busybodies any room to force small-mindedness on the rest of the world. Don't want to swing, fine...don't. Leave those who do alone.

  • Posted By: warwizard87 @ 12/17/2007 7:29:03 PM

    Comment: " It degrades the family and cheapens love. Lust is not love"

    Actually love cheapens its self, love is a chemical soup that is released in your brain to make you want to mate.
    Are you a American? If so then you should not care so much this is a free country why do people worry what other people do in their own homes? I will never know why people force their believes on others or even see it as right to make some on who is happy with something different change. Are those swingers hurting any one? Are they trying to get you in bed? Its moronic to try to use the legal system in such a fashion our system was set up to prevent this abuse and now it only seams that's the only way we want to use it.
    "Sexual relations are between husband and wife. Period." REALLY? tell that to the trillions of animals in nature i doubt any of them have a ceremony before doing the nasty, in fact humans are one of only 2 animals that have sex for pleasure, human females are the only animal with a organ specifically to make sex feel good (the clitoris) why is that? Does religion make your values? I am sure it drives them. That's fine don't participate that's your right, don't impede on others using the right that gives you a voice.

  • Posted By: skinny703 @ 12/17/2007 7:16:15 PM

    Comment: What a horrible activity! It degrades the family and cheapens love. Lust is not love. We are plagued by people who are unable to control desire. This is hedonism in its most vile form. We are to cleave to our spouse and to none else. How hard is that to understand? Sexual relations are between husband and wife. Period.

    • Posted By: William.Demuth @ 12/19/2007 16:05:56

      Comment: Liar

  • Posted By: jdemo02 @ 12/17/2007 6:34:02 PM

    Comment: Bloggers joked that Baptists were trying to shut the swinger parties down because they might lead to dancing. Oh mercy, let's haul them satanic thugs in!!!!

  • Posted By: jdemo02 @ 12/17/2007 6:32:19 PM

    Comment: Bloggers joked that Baptists were trying to shut the swinger parties down because they might lead to dancing, Oh mercy, let's haul them satanic thugs in!!!!

  • Posted By: nasnunu @ 12/17/2007 6:17:07 PM

    Comment: I realy think it's great!!!! As long you and your partner are enjoying togeather than that's all that matters... Just have fun, and ejnoy life....

  • Posted By: Elguapomark @ 12/17/2007 4:50:31 PM

    Comment: I thinks its great.This entire town here in central Fl. loves to swing..marriages and relationships are lasting longer and everybody is happy.God Bless them ..keep doing it.

  • Posted By: Elguapomark @ 12/17/2007 4:49:10 PM

    Comment: I think its great!!.Everyone should have lots of sex.This entire town in central Fl. are swingers and everyone is happy.

  • Posted By: MsJennCt @ 12/17/2007 4:36:48 PM

    Comment: I think Jack Martin needs to get laid! Everybody has sex...is the way of life, its natural, and fun! Im not into the whole swinging thing, but im into some other things. We all have our fantasies and desires. People should just worry about there own issues instead of getting involved in other people's lives.

  • Posted By: alaska @ 12/17/2007 3:10:50 PM

    Comment: I think that you should let the people do what they want. I mean, it's what they like. Would you want someone telling you that you can't walk your dog because it's not "in the religion" or because it's morally not correct? These people are doing what makes them happy, and if it makes them happy I think you should just leave them alone. It's not your life, it's theirs. So I think that all the people that are pointing fingers and saying it's wrong need to stick to their busness and quit being brown-nosers. It's not for you to say it's right or not, and like I said it's not your life, and it's not harming or illegal. You're not being hurt by their actions, so quit complaining.

  • Posted By: supaflyny @ 12/17/2007 1:45:47 PM

    Comment: Figures that one of the guys thats against this lifestyle is almost 80! Back than you didnt even sleep in the same bed, speak to your children about sex or anything. It was so tabu and such a huge stigma and guilt went along with just the word "sex". How does someone logically compare consenting educated adults to a pedophile??? Its not about cheating, it is about strengthening your relationship and trying new things and meeting new people. Its ALL about honesty. This type of lifestyle IS NOT for anyone who doesnt fully trust their partner. It may not be for some people, but for people that are willing participants, there is nothing wrong with it. What happens behind close doors stays that way. As long as everyone is being respectful of their partners, other participants and the neighbors etc... than I dont see what the problem is.

  • Posted By: J_T_Hutt @ 12/17/2007 1:09:19 PM

    Comment: I find all of this amusing as a "swinger". First of all, I don't agree with collecting money and operating as a business without a license. Where I live they allow swing clubs, operators can obtain a license, and they pay taxes.
    What is the difference between a swing club and a hotel? Surf a bit of porn on the internet, and you will see that 95% of the shoot locations are hotel suites. Should we shut the hotels down for promoting sex? Maybe they need to put cameras in the rooms to stop people from having sex at all? Rent the movie "1984".

    To the nurse commenting on aids and STD???s. What is the difference if you get a STD from another swinger, or if your man / woman (whatever lifestyle you choose) cheats and brings one of the ???gifts that keeps on giving??? back to you? I can tell you that the people I know are far more concerned about their sexual health and protecting those they share time with than most people that have one night stands at a bar. How many people do you know who are promiscuous get tested at least every 3-6 months just to make sure?

    When it comes to deciding what is more dangerous to society, we need to choose our battles a little more wisely. Decide if a swing club is more dangerous than gary_s_paxton?

    ??? Posted By: gary_s_paxton @ 12/15/2007 5:43:04 PM
    Comment: They should have their heads examined before and after they are shot.
    Note: You can???t help but wonder what bell tower, school, or mall this guy will end up shooting from. The problem in the US is not swingers, it is people like this.

  • Posted By: Aceman @ 12/17/2007 12:56:22 PM

    Comment: You 'swinger' types are revolting. This is nothing but an attempt to 'normalize' the lifestyles of the morally bankrupt. Its completely revolting to think that this behaviour goes on, and that these sicko whackjobs get AIDS and other STD's and then head off to the clinic to spend my tax money to repair their infected genetalia.
    Worse than that, they want to be teachers and bus drivers so they can infect more children with their moral bankruptcy. They wish to appear as 'normal' citizens, who simply have an 'alternate' lifestyle. I wonder how many are priests, or police, or educators.
    My point is, I do not consider this behaviour normal, or acceptable. Keep your degenerate acts away from mainstream America. Stay away from our children, and out of politics, and out of our educational systems. If you HAVE to be a degenerate, do it elsewhere - quietly and out of sight.
    To wrap up my point, I'd like to bring up one small thing that should make some sense to some of us - and why its important that we not accept these morally bankrupt scumbags in 'polite society'. THOU SHALT NOT COVET THY NEIGHBOR'S WIFE. If you don't stand for God, then who do you stand for?

    • Posted By: OneOfAKind @ 12/18/2007 13:39:02

      Comment: Aceman,
      if you are standing for God, obviously you missed several parts in the bible that says treat others how you wish to be treated or not to pass judgement, that is GOD'S JOB, not yours. If you are "so religious" as you claim to be your post would not have been completely about passing judgement on the next man. Have you been to a swinger party? Do you know first hand what happens there? I didn't think so. i for one do stand for God and am not a swinger but I ALSO KNOW that it is not my job to judge them. It is my job to be a Christian person and treat others how I would like to be treated. I am married to a man of another race am I morally bankrupt as you stated since I did not follow the "norm of society" and marry someone of my own race? You need to stop commenting on these news articles and take some time to reread your bible and find out what it means to STAND FOR GOD.

      • Posted By: vtbobb @ 12/18/2007 17:59:17

        Comment: Well said.

    • Posted By: elmo_n_tigger @ 12/17/2007 19:50:06

      Comment: What makes you think you have the right to tell me what my morals should be? I'm not out harming anyone, I am simply having sex with another consenting adult. I dcould care less about your sexual habits, why do you care about mine. Everyone I now in this "lifestyle" ALWAYS uses protection. We are not a group of infected freaks just out to infect the rest of you.
      As for the comment about "infecting childeren.. get a grip you jerk, no self respecting swinger would ever discuss their lifestyle choices with a child.
      I don't stand for God, I stand for treating others with kindness and respect for their choices, as long as they harm no other.

    • Posted By: Cssndra @ 12/17/2007 14:31:44

      Comment: Aceman,

      I have a real personal reason to dislike the lifestyle...hate it even...but I would never go so far as to pass judgment on another human being. You are lumping in people who enjoy screwing other people outside their relationship with child molestors and serial killers. Maybe you should read some books about social theory, and psychology, because you will find that you are lumping together innate behavior and an acquired taste.

      • Posted By: lyndseylou-lou @ 12/17/2007 18:25:28

        Comment: Last I checked, sexual preference and personal lifestyle was not part of a back ground check. This has been going on for years, usually for the better of people's lives and marriages and now your venting about how they need to do it "quietly and out of sight" What the heck do you think they were doing it???? Not on the street. They were in their OWN home and they were out of sight. Because of nosey, out dated, old fashioned and hateful people like you, now their buisness is splashed out all over Newsweek for everyone to see and read. Maybe if the 70 something year old virgin and prude hadn't poked his nose where it didn't belong perhaps your poor Christian soul wouldn't of had to seen this "revolting" part of someone's personal lifestyle.

      • Posted By: lyndseyloulou @ 12/17/2007 18:24:29

        Comment: Last I checked, sexual preference and personal lifestyle was not part of a back ground check. This has been going on for years, usually for the better of people's lives and marriages and now your venting about how they need to do it "quietly and out of sight" What the heck do you think they were doing it???? Not on the street. They were in their OWN home and they were out of sight. Because of nosey, out dated, old fashioned and hateful people like you, now their buisness is splashed out all over Newsweek for everyone to see and read. Maybe if the 70 something year old virgin and prude hadn't poked his nose where it didn't belong perhaps your poor Christian soul wouldn't of had to seen this "revolting" part of someone's personal lifestyle.

    • Posted By: supaflyny @ 12/17/2007 14:05:30

      Comment: your quoting from the bible or ten commandments, what makes you think everyone believes in that, g_d, religion or that they are catholic? It is so typical for people like you to think that YOUR way is the right way. What makes you think that you ARE right or that your view is "normal" or mainstream?? Get with it, just because people have different views than your very closed mind doesnt mean that they are wrong. You dont want others beliefs thrown on you, but its ok that your beliefs are thrown on others? When did sex become a degenerative act? No one wants to "moralize" anything, to each his own. If its something that you dont care for.... than dont do it. "They" dont want to be teachers or bus drivers ect.. "they" ARE. AIDS and STD's can be contracted anywhere by anyone, just because you swing doesnt guarantee a disease, and also what makes you think that people dont use protection??? Your speaking of responsible educated adults that are very obviously alot more confortable in their skin and relationships than you. G_d supposedly said alot of things, like those without sin cast the first stone, love thy neighbor etc.. what makes you so superior?

    • Posted By: blue_rylie @ 12/17/2007 13:12:27

      Comment: Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. Love they neighbor as thyself. Judge not lest ye be judged. We don't live in a Christian nation, although many of us are Christian. While I understand that swinging is a less than popular idea, the reality is it's not a new idea. This kind of behavior has been around longer than any of us would like to think. Personally, I would never be a swinger as I think it is dangerous not only phyiscally but emotionally to the parties involved. But I also think a variety of things can be damaging but that doesn't mean we outlaw it. Swingers are not out recruiting children, they are not pedophiles, they ARE voters and will continue to be. I agree with quietly and out of sight when it comes to any sexual behavior as I consider sex to be a private matter. But to be quoting the bible while tossing insults seems to be overall counterproductive. Teach responsibility, raise education, teach LOVE. If more people felt loved and genuinely accepted, perhaps they wouldn't be looking to *alternative lifestyles* to fill that void. Casting judgement and throwing insults achieves nothing. Just out of curiousity, did Jesus ever use expressions like scumbags?

      • Posted By: vtbobb @ 12/18/2007 17:45:33

        Comment: blue_rylie - The only thing I disagree with is your apparent grouping of all Christians as judgmental, closed minded and possibly authoritarian. My understanding of whta Christ taught sounds exactly what you wrote.

        • Posted By: vtbobb @ 12/18/2007 17:57:32

          Comment: IGNORE THAT. sorry, misread it.

      • Posted By: J_T_Hutt @ 12/17/2007 13:51:25

        Comment: blue_rylie .... That is perhaps the best reply. I applaud your for having insight and intelligence.

  • Posted By: Cssndra @ 12/17/2007 10:17:45 AM

    Comment: I read this article with great interest - this is the reason my ex husband and I got divorced. He found the whole "sex with any woman" (plus the wife) to be greatly appealing and didn't understand why I found sex with people I didn't know/like/love to be rather repellant. I went with him once, purely to gratify his desires, and watching his happiness grow in direct proportion to my unhappiness made me realize what a selfish person he was. Now I'm happy in a monogamous relationship with someone who doesn't believe in swinging, and my ex husband whines to everyone who will listen about how lonely he is.

    Someone quoted in the article said it best "it has to be a need or a desire" (pardon the paraphrasing). If you don't want to do it, or don't have a need to do it, forcing yourself to do it to please your partner just breeds resentment.

  • Posted By: blue_rylie @ 12/17/2007 8:04:23 AM

    Comment: If swingers want to swing, then swing away. It's their personal business who they do or don't sleep with, just as it's my personal business who I sleep with. I'm not a swinger but to each his own. That said, as a home owner I would take issue. Having 100 people, give or take, running in and out of my neighborhood every weekend would cause me concern. I would consider that, in and of itself, a safety issue as well as a property value issue. Frankly, swingers or not, I wouldn't want that kind of thing going on across the street from me on a constant and regular basis. I think the home owners have a valid point, moral objections aside. I'm not a lawyer, but I would think that legally that would be the road to take in court. If these folks are serving alcohol, asking for *donations*, and all that goes with a good sized party then who is watching for designated drivers and other safety issues? I don't invite folks I don't know into my home because I consider it to be a safety issue, and yet they are bringing hundreds into a neighborhood with little to no knowledge of the folks coming through. I would consider such things a safety issue as well as a property value issue. Call it anything you like, they are running a club which is a business. Move it into a business district.

  • Posted By: APRNCNS @ 12/16/2007 9:50:48 PM

    Comment: Christie... I too am a nurse, and I am appaled at your posts. As nurses, we are supposed to be non-judgemental of our patients - all of our patients. I am not a swinger... perfectly content with one man, who is perfectly content with me. However, with that said, I must add that I have a "live and let live" attitude, If people contract STD's from sex partners, they have to deal wit that. ANYONE having sex with more than one person nedds to PROTECT THEMSELVES. Assume that you need to protect yourself EVERY TIME you have sex with a new partner, or accept that you are taking a huge risk that could have lifelong consequences. If you do catch something, care enough about the other person to tell them in advance, or YOU HAVE TAKEN THEIR CHOICE AWAY. Be responsible, and find non-judgemental doctors and nurses.

  • Posted By: traviso99 @ 12/16/2007 4:43:26 PM

    Comment: I'm not a swinger, nor do I care to be. My activities in my bedroom are limited to myself and my wife and always will be. But what happens between consenting adults is none of anyone else's business, whether it be man-man, woman-woman, woman-woman-man, or any combination thereof. Although $50 seems excessive for drinks, food and party favors, I don't see the problem.
    Christi41, I wish there was a way to eliminate all the bad seeds, too. I'd like to start with murderers, child molesters and rapists. Next on the list are those who force their beliefs and morality on others. Unless these folks are FORCING this lifestyle on someone else or involving children or animals, leave 'em alone. Presuming they're using appropriate safety considerations, I see no harm in this activity. 'Judge not lest ye be judged' is the scripture, and is appropriate in this case (for those of you who require a book to be your conscience). The state has no business in this activity and needs to go rub their nose elsewhere.

    "Government's only concern is the actions and conduct of man, and not his speculative notions. Who among us feels himself so exalted above his fellows as to have a right to dictate to them any mode of belief?"--Jacob Henry

    Who are YOU to feel so exalted as to have a right to dictate what is right? Hypocrites, climb down from your ivory tower before you fall out and hurt yourselves.

    • Posted By: ittakesbrains @ 12/28/2007 02:34:29

      Comment: why is this all about the SEX? I read the same article and I see a private couple in a private community who has decided that it is OK to open up their home EVERY weekend to the public and according to their own information they have as many as 100 people show up. if they are all couples, this is 50 cars (more if any singles show up - or hubby and wife works at diff locations and meet their) even if they care pool you are talking 25 or more cares. my block would hold six cars on each side so we are talking 2-5 blocks worth of space needed (not counting all the other RESIDENTS of the community. Who does this group think they are being so profoundly rude to their neighbors, weekend after weekend...and who are you to suggest this is all about SEX. Get your head out of the gutter of SEX,SEX,SEX and look at the issues that a group of this size would have an a residential street. The parking, the drunks (if you get 100 people together and drinks a few will get drunk), the noise, etc.and this has little to do with SEX!!!

  • Posted By: christi41 @ 12/16/2007 4:27:40 PM

    Comment: This is what the world has some to....aids is all about you idiots and being a nurse we have to be more carefull because of the likes of you wierd ppl. This is why there are all kinds of STD's out there and diseases and I have been married since I was 17 and been with one man and my spouse with just me. If he ever goes with another woman than it is over and why be with someone that has been with someone else! Disgusting and not here and that is that way it should be and I feel for my children as they grow older and wonder what this world is coming to! Wish there was a way to abolish all the bad seeds!

  • Posted By: christi41 @ 12/16/2007 4:23:25 PM

    Comment: you all are sick and this is why being a nurse is so hard on us. We have to watch what you idiots have contracted from each other! One bordella after another. Seek professional help!

  • Posted By: bitr @ 12/16/2007 2:16:06 PM

    Comment: Im baptist married a mother anda swinger. There are more places like the Cherry Pit than any of you know. The only problem I see with this one is the parking. I have been to the Cherry Pit and others house parties. They all ask for donations for food, drinks and other expenses you would normaly have at a party.