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  • Posted By: LibertyorDeath @ 12/21/2007 7:42:19 PM

    To equate swingers with pedophiles like the man in the article did is absurd. There is a big difference berween a sexual predator who preys on young innocent children and two or more consenting adults who decide to have non-conformist sex. It is also absurd to say that a community can deny a busniess or club or a private citizens private party. I seem to remeber sevral communities who decided not to let blacks and hispanics and other minorities in their town; which was later determined to be illegal. To say a community is the law about what happens in it is crazy. If I want to have sex with five people fine its my right, just as it is right to not have sex with anyone. We are not a communist or socialist state, we are a democratic republic. The government be it federal, state, or local has no right to determine what we do in our homes, obviuosly our action s must be legal though. Also comparing a group of consenting adults who party at one another's house to a strip club is outrageous. They are not a strip club, they are not a brothel, they are not a club, they are not a business. They are private citizens on private property behind private walls doing private things in a group setting. As they stated if they were having a super bowl party no one would care. To justify blatant persecution under the veneer of "majority rule" did not work for racism or religous persecution and it should not work for sexual persecution.

  • Posted By: Thomas Jefferson @ 12/21/2007 5:37:12 PM

    This whole article and subsequent comments is the scariest thing I have read in decades. No one, neighbors, local govt., state, feds have the right to dictate what we do in our homes....period, end of story. I am appalled at the sadistic , rights trampling comments here. Our fore fathers, our peers, our sons and daughters die by the millions to preserve freedom and you have the gall to make these post here? Sex is normal, it's natural, and it no one's business, no matter who it's with.

  • Posted By: Speaking my mind @ 12/21/2007 4:23:07 PM

    While I do not personally care if people have swinger parties or not, I do feel that it is the right of every community to be able to say where such activities can take place. I would not want a strip club by kids schools, and if most people in a community do not want a sex club on their street, they have the right not have it there. These clubs can exist, but not just anywhere they want to put them.

  • Posted By: Choices for All @ 12/21/2007 12:47:46 PM

    I personally believe that if whatever a person chooses to do should not be dictated, including drugs, sex, lyrics, etc, as long as their actions do not cause harm to another person. It is not the job of our government to govern morality. In my opinion, a person's morals are their own. The government can tell you that you're not allowed to die by your own hand if you so choose. They tell you that you can't do drugs in your own home when you have no intention of leaving it. In some states, you're not allowed to by sexual aids (They say it's immoral).

    My firm belief is that our choices in this country are diminishing. When do we say no more? I don't tell my neighbors what they can't do what they choose behind closed doors. Now, if they leave their curtains open for my son to see, that's when I would have the problem.

  • Posted By: spanky1984 @ 12/20/2007 5:34:40 PM

    The constitution of this country gives the people the freeedom to chose what they do. It would be a shame to see another right taken away by the governments. These are adults using the right to chose how they have sex. What is wrong with that.? They hurt no one in the process. Everyone who attends has chosen of thier own free will to do so. Don't let the government continue to take all your rights away .Stand up for your rights. that were given to you by the constitiution of this country.

  • Posted By: dee4597 @ 12/20/2007 5:00:30 PM

    its funny that sex is a taboo subject but every one does it !!!

  • Posted By: alphabet @ 12/20/2007 4:54:12 PM

    I get so tired of self-appointed "saviors" telling everyone what they should or should not be doing. You may not agree with what they're doing, but so what. You aren't forced to participate. Everyone has become too concerned with what the neighbors are doing they don't see what's going on in their own house. Stop worrying about people who are not harming anyone else and focus on your own life. As adults we get to make our own choices, good or bad. Has anyone noticed those spouting religious judgements always think their way is the only way? You have the right to think how you want, just not the right to force others to conform to your way. Our society is becoming less forgiving every day. Many won't accept others who don't agree with them 100%. Different doesn't equal wrong. We're not programmed robots. We have opinions and beliefs and it's okay if they're different. I wouldn't want everyone to think the same way and be the same way. How awfully boring it would be.

  • Posted By: skinny703 @ 12/17/2007 7:16:15 PM

    What a horrible activity! It degrades the family and cheapens love. Lust is not love. We are plagued by people who are unable to control desire. This is hedonism in its most vile form. We are to cleave to our spouse and to none else. How hard is that to understand? Sexual relations are between husband and wife. Period.

  • Posted By: brierydog @ 12/19/2007 12:59:11 PM

    This is America. If we do not have the freedom to do what we wish in our homes (not committing murder or molesting children obviously) then where will the invasion of privacy stop? Get real people, what a couple chooses to do in their home and in their marraige is their business. Believe it or not, people have the right to be sanctimonious ***-holes, or saints, or anything in between. Making laws to govern sexual practices between consenting adults is infringing on civil liberties.

  • Posted By: skinny703 @ 12/18/2007 12:33:57 PM

    "ninety percent of anyone opposed is either terrified at the idea that maybe it's something they'd like to try or they're jealous they're not invited" - Ninety percent of those in support feel this way, not the other way around. It's a disgusting, deplorable act. If my grandparents were involved in an activity like this, I would be appalled. This does affect people other than those involved. It degrades society and places people in unworthy associations. Since when is it okay to place your affection on someone else other than who you're married to and committed to? And the whole "they're not cheating on each other"... They are. Even if the other person knows about it doesn't make it okay. They're just not doing it behind their back.
    I'm not saying anything about the government involvement. I'm only saying that swinging should not be happening and that the relationship within marriage is special and not to be duplicated by pseudo-love. (And I don't think that the only reason for having sexual relations is to procreate. I agree that it is for pleasure as well. However, this is to be used only within the bonds of marriage, it's not something you hand out to everyone you see at a party.)

    • Posted By: DWindyCity @ 12/18/2007 6:31:07 PM

      You should be appalled at the idea that you think you have the right to pass judgement on others. You do not want someone in your life telling you what is okay for you to do in your own home. I do not like smores but that does not give me liscence to tell you not to cook thim in your house.
      These people are doing things they enjoy in their own home. They do not believe that sex is only to had with their marital partner. If they are wrong they will be corrected when God draws judgement on them. It is not for you to do. We forget that in our homes it should be up to us to do what we will. The only stipulation should be that we are not harming anyone in the process. There are not any children involved nor any unwilling participants being held against their will. Let people be. The more laws we create the more there are to enforce. I would rather see our government trying to solve real crimes. The fact that they have time to harass these people indicates they probably need to lay a few folks off.
      Remember before you judge they are not bringing it to you or asking you to join in. You chose to read the article. If this kind of activity is so discusting to you why did you continue to read it? I personally feel the lifestyle is immoral. I feel the same way about homosexuality and abortion. I get to make that choice for myself. Just as these people get to make it for themselves. It is not for me to tell them they are wrong.
      Grow up an realize that yoor liberties are jsut that liberities. That is until some group decide to pass judgememt on them and take it out on you.

    • Posted By: DWindyCity @ 12/18/2007 6:11:18 PM

      Let the Lord aboe judge these folks if it is wrong. As long as you are not being encouraged or forced to join it does not involve you or your idea of morallity. It is time we allow people to be responsible for their own actions and quit trying to force our beliefs on everyone. If they are not forcing anyone to do this with them I do not see who they are harming. My personal belief is that it is wrong but that is my belief not theirs. I have to answer for myself just as they have to answer forthemselves.

  • Posted By: Aceman @ 12/17/2007 12:56:22 PM

    You 'swinger' types are revolting. This is nothing but an attempt to 'normalize' the lifestyles of the morally bankrupt. Its completely revolting to think that this behaviour goes on, and that these sicko whackjobs get AIDS and other STD's and then head off to the clinic to spend my tax money to repair their infected genetalia.
    Worse than that, they want to be teachers and bus drivers so they can infect more children with their moral bankruptcy. They wish to appear as 'normal' citizens, who simply have an 'alternate' lifestyle. I wonder how many are priests, or police, or educators.
    My point is, I do not consider this behaviour normal, or acceptable. Keep your degenerate acts away from mainstream America. Stay away from our children, and out of politics, and out of our educational systems. If you HAVE to be a degenerate, do it elsewhere - quietly and out of sight.
    To wrap up my point, I'd like to bring up one small thing that should make some sense to some of us - and why its important that we not accept these morally bankrupt scumbags in 'polite society'. THOU SHALT NOT COVET THY NEIGHBOR'S WIFE. If you don't stand for God, then who do you stand for?

    • Posted By: OneOfAKind @ 12/18/2007 1:39:02 PM

      Aceman,
      if you are standing for God, obviously you missed several parts in the bible that says treat others how you wish to be treated or not to pass judgement, that is GOD'S JOB, not yours. If you are "so religious" as you claim to be your post would not have been completely about passing judgement on the next man. Have you been to a swinger party? Do you know first hand what happens there? I didn't think so. i for one do stand for God and am not a swinger but I ALSO KNOW that it is not my job to judge them. It is my job to be a Christian person and treat others how I would like to be treated. I am married to a man of another race am I morally bankrupt as you stated since I did not follow the "norm of society" and marry someone of my own race? You need to stop commenting on these news articles and take some time to reread your bible and find out what it means to STAND FOR GOD.

    • Posted By: blue_rylie @ 12/17/2007 1:12:27 PM

      Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. Love they neighbor as thyself. Judge not lest ye be judged. We don't live in a Christian nation, although many of us are Christian. While I understand that swinging is a less than popular idea, the reality is it's not a new idea. This kind of behavior has been around longer than any of us would like to think. Personally, I would never be a swinger as I think it is dangerous not only phyiscally but emotionally to the parties involved. But I also think a variety of things can be damaging but that doesn't mean we outlaw it. Swingers are not out recruiting children, they are not pedophiles, they ARE voters and will continue to be. I agree with quietly and out of sight when it comes to any sexual behavior as I consider sex to be a private matter. But to be quoting the bible while tossing insults seems to be overall counterproductive. Teach responsibility, raise education, teach LOVE. If more people felt loved and genuinely accepted, perhaps they wouldn't be looking to *alternative lifestyles* to fill that void. Casting judgement and throwing insults achieves nothing. Just out of curiousity, did Jesus ever use expressions like scumbags?

      • Posted By: vtbobb @ 12/18/2007 5:45:33 PM

        blue_rylie - The only thing I disagree with is your apparent grouping of all Christians as judgmental, closed minded and possibly authoritarian. My understanding of whta Christ taught sounds exactly what you wrote.

        • Posted By: vtbobb @ 12/18/2007 5:57:32 PM

          IGNORE THAT. sorry, misread it.

      • Posted By: J_T_Hutt @ 12/17/2007 1:51:25 PM

        blue_rylie .... That is perhaps the best reply. I applaud your for having insight and intelligence.

    • Posted By: elmo_n_tigger @ 12/17/2007 7:50:06 PM

      What makes you think you have the right to tell me what my morals should be? I'm not out harming anyone, I am simply having sex with another consenting adult. I dcould care less about your sexual habits, why do you care about mine. Everyone I now in this "lifestyle" ALWAYS uses protection. We are not a group of infected freaks just out to infect the rest of you.
      As for the comment about "infecting childeren.. get a grip you jerk, no self respecting swinger would ever discuss their lifestyle choices with a child.
      I don't stand for God, I stand for treating others with kindness and respect for their choices, as long as they harm no other.

    • Posted By: Cssndra @ 12/17/2007 2:31:44 PM

      Aceman,

      I have a real personal reason to dislike the lifestyle...hate it even...but I would never go so far as to pass judgment on another human being. You are lumping in people who enjoy screwing other people outside their relationship with child molestors and serial killers. Maybe you should read some books about social theory, and psychology, because you will find that you are lumping together innate behavior and an acquired taste.

      • Posted By: lyndseylou-lou @ 12/17/2007 6:25:28 PM

        Last I checked, sexual preference and personal lifestyle was not part of a back ground check. This has been going on for years, usually for the better of people's lives and marriages and now your venting about how they need to do it "quietly and out of sight" What the heck do you think they were doing it???? Not on the street. They were in their OWN home and they were out of sight. Because of nosey, out dated, old fashioned and hateful people like you, now their buisness is splashed out all over Newsweek for everyone to see and read. Maybe if the 70 something year old virgin and prude hadn't poked his nose where it didn't belong perhaps your poor Christian soul wouldn't of had to seen this "revolting" part of someone's personal lifestyle.

      • Posted By: lyndseyloulou @ 12/17/2007 6:24:29 PM

        Last I checked, sexual preference and personal lifestyle was not part of a back ground check. This has been going on for years, usually for the better of people's lives and marriages and now your venting about how they need to do it "quietly and out of sight" What the heck do you think they were doing it???? Not on the street. They were in their OWN home and they were out of sight. Because of nosey, out dated, old fashioned and hateful people like you, now their buisness is splashed out all over Newsweek for everyone to see and read. Maybe if the 70 something year old virgin and prude hadn't poked his nose where it didn't belong perhaps your poor Christian soul wouldn't of had to seen this "revolting" part of someone's personal lifestyle.

    • Posted By: supaflyny @ 12/17/2007 2:05:30 PM

      your quoting from the bible or ten commandments, what makes you think everyone believes in that, g_d, religion or that they are catholic? It is so typical for people like you to think that YOUR way is the right way. What makes you think that you ARE right or that your view is "normal" or mainstream?? Get with it, just because people have different views than your very closed mind doesnt mean that they are wrong. You dont want others beliefs thrown on you, but its ok that your beliefs are thrown on others? When did sex become a degenerative act? No one wants to "moralize" anything, to each his own. If its something that you dont care for.... than dont do it. "They" dont want to be teachers or bus drivers ect.. "they" ARE. AIDS and STD's can be contracted anywhere by anyone, just because you swing doesnt guarantee a disease, and also what makes you think that people dont use protection??? Your speaking of responsible educated adults that are very obviously alot more confortable in their skin and relationships than you. G_d supposedly said alot of things, like those without sin cast the first stone, love thy neighbor etc.. what makes you so superior?

  • Posted By: tchr29 @ 12/18/2007 5:46:28 PM

    But others denounced the swinging lifestyle. "It's immoral," says one neighbor, Jack Martin, a 74-year-old retiree. "Would you want someone living next to you who was a pedophile if you have a bunch of kids? It's on the same line. The frame of mind is the same. The end result is the same: sex."

    This is ridiculous. Of course I wouldn't want a pedophile living next to me. However, I can't imagine that the 7-year old said, "yes, give it to me please." These are ADULTS! They are choosing this lifestyle. The result is the same - sex?? Well yes, but please Mr. Martin, do you hate sex in all its forms? Because I can't believe this 74 year old is a virgin. Just because somebody doesn't have YOUR beliefs doesn't mean they are wrong. Get a life.

  • Posted By: fixerlower @ 12/18/2007 4:52:20 AM

    The freaking goverment [fed ,state,county,and city ] should stay the hell out of our bedrooms and medicine cabinets and require everyone that drives a vehical to burn propane fuel in it. That would solve about 30% of whats wrong with this country and for the people that don't get it let them work in the coal mines
    not to produce a fuel but just too occupy their idle minds.

    • Posted By: bopdaddytoo @ 12/18/2007 3:47:08 PM

      your comment about coal is way off of the mark as most of the electricy produced in this couhntry is done be burrning coal

    • Posted By: bopdaddytoo @ 12/18/2007 3:45:27 PM

      your comment about coal miners is off of the mark as most of the electricy is produced by coal

    • Posted By: bopdaddytoo @ 12/18/2007 3:45:22 PM

      your comment about coal miners is off of the mark as most of the electricy is produced by coal

  • Posted By: bitr @ 12/16/2007 2:16:06 PM

    Im baptist married a mother anda swinger. There are more places like the Cherry Pit than any of you know. The only problem I see with this one is the parking. I have been to the Cherry Pit and others house parties. They all ask for donations for food, drinks and other expenses you would normaly have at a party.

    • Posted By: smilingcouple @ 12/18/2007 2:06:28 PM

      Bitr, could not agree more. I am a partent, retired military officer, corporate executive. Wife and I swing occasionally. We enjoy the change of pace to spice our lives up. We always insist on safe sex practices. The parties are same as the superbowl party where I pay $25.00 with my friends to off set the cost of drinks and snacks. Oh that's right the church allows drinking and gambling.

  • Posted By: gypsy1971 @ 12/18/2007 1:57:30 PM

    With all that's going on in the world, all the REAL problems; who gives a damn about what these people are doing in their bedroom. If they are consenting adults, and they aren't breaking any laws, hurting children or animals, etc....who cares! People, mind your own business! Get a life of your own! Quite judging everybody all the time!

  • Posted By: smilingcouple @ 12/18/2007 1:49:10 PM

    We pride ourselves on Individual Rights but at the first sign someone is having any fun the religious right comes out of the woodwork. What if I mandate you have to have sex 3 times a week or are inviolation of the law. Leave people alone if their activity does not adversely effect others.

  • Posted By: J_T_Hutt @ 12/18/2007 1:23:38 PM

    "After examining the couple???s Web site, officials found a request for a suggested donation of $50 per couple (since removed) and accused Trulock of running a sex business from his home. In early November the Duncanville city council passed a law against sex clubs, calling them a public nuisance to the self-proclaimed family-friendly city."

    I think the above is still the main reason for the interference. Their bedroom would still be private if they had not made the request for the donations which gave the city council some time to stop surfing porn and raise a stink.

    • Posted By: Cssndra @ 12/18/2007 1:47:19 PM

      I concur - if the couple had never mentioned money (even cleverly couching it as a "donation"), the government would only be able to continue to harass them with traffic violations. The government, by bringing the suit, is violating the individual's right to privacy by saying (in effect) "you do not have the right to have privacy in your own home". Please note that the concept of privacy in one's own home has repeatedly (at least with cases that are sexual in nature) been supported by the court system.

  • Posted By: leslie110 @ 12/18/2007 11:59:49 AM

    I don't understand how the government can't dictate private activity in your own home. It makes no sense to me. Let people do what they want.

  • Posted By: hogansdogans @ 12/18/2007 11:11:43 AM

    ninety percent of anyone opposed is either terrified at the idea that maybe it's something they'd like to try or they're jealous they're not invited. if there are no drugs or violence involved then why poop the party?

  • Posted By: luis42 @ 12/18/2007 2:13:39 AM

    These people are not hurting anyone. They might not do things the way that you or I do things but, who is to say that there way is wrong. Different does not mean wrong. If you don't like it, then don't visit them. People should mind there own business and just leave this couple and there friends alone.

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