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  • Posted By: runninrabbit @ 12/18/2007 9:27:59 AM

    When judging Hillary and Barack, one can judge the experience-to-outcome ratio. Hillary may have traveled the world as first lady, but she still got hoodwinked by Bush on Iraq. Obama's world citizenship may trace to his formative years, but he seems to have deeper instincts for when he is being hoodwinked. In development, there are often critical periods when things need to form by a particular time. Hillary is over the hill for developing well tuned radar for subterfuge, and we have an expensive and deadly war to prove it. Any good manager knows to choose for the track record of good decisions, not the years on the resume.

  • Posted By: ocholaphilip @ 12/18/2007 8:47:47 AM

    I agree with Zakaria. I happen to have a similar background and I have interacted with thousands of Americans of differant cultural background and at various educational levels; I have watched political debates involving international affairs on TV; I have listened to the current President fielding questions on foreign policy. One thing baffles me: How can such a powerful country be inhabited by citizens who are so ignorant of what is happening beyond the borders of their country? In extreme cases I have met people who don't know and are not bothered by what is happening in other American States. In terms of foreign policy,Hillary knows nothing compared to what Obama knows; Obama has lived it.

  • Posted By: eddiewhere @ 12/18/2007 4:31:21 AM

    Let's be fair to Obama. He has served 8 years in the Illinois State Senate prior to becoming a Illinois Senator. That is like being Governor for eight years. He has over a decade of elected experience. He started from nothing and was voted in and re-elected by his constituency because of his steady progress as a soltions oriented representative. As a Senator in Washington D.C he has served on the Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee, In addition, he is a member of the the Foreign Relations Committee and served the Veterans Affairs Committee and In 2005 and 2006, he served on the Environment and Public Works Committee as well. Obama has always exceled beyond his years and his peers have always looked to him for leadership. At Harvard he had to be twice as good as everyone else in order to attain the status as the first African American president of the Harvard Law Review.

    Hillary Clinton rise is much different than Obama's. From the time she was a student she has been involved in politics. She served as first lady; and then as a Senator. She never represented Illinois but rather New York. She has gained invaluable experience in the White House and is a successful Senator. I think the fact that Obama had no WHITE HOUSE PLATFORM TO REACH TO THIS POINT IS A TESTIMONY to his Wisdom, Skill and Determination. You cannot be "inexperienced" and Have OBAMA's Credentials.

  • Posted By: ChristopherArns @ 12/18/2007 1:06:49 AM

    Nicky should pick up a history book. He/she might do well to remember these two guys:

    1) George Washington. Experience: Lost 8 of 12 battles he fought in the American Revolutionary War. Result: Still won the one that mattered. Became "Father" of his country.

    2) Abraham Lincoln. Experience: Served 2 years as a Congressman. Result: Still managed to save the Union.

    Perhaps "experience" is less important than some think. Maybe personality and leadership are not learned but simply present in the right individuals. And perhaps Obama qualifies.

  • Posted By: NickyK33 @ 12/17/2007 11:18:38 PM

    Unfortunatel, Obama does not have enough experience to be President. Never in our history have we elected a 2 year Senator, every other President has had more experience. Therefore, the Democrats cannot win the whitehouse should Obama become the nominee. Every Republican has more experience than Obama.

    I for one - want a sure thing, so I will be voting for Hillary clinton

  • Posted By: NickyK33 @ 12/17/2007 11:15:56 PM

    Too bad he doesn't have any experience to be the President. Charming - just ineffective. Maybe in another 8 years.

  • Posted By: monicalewinsky69 @ 12/17/2007 10:26:55 PM

    Did the Clintons sick their minions onto this discussion thread as well? Seems she can' win it for herself so she has to rely on her husband and others to pick fights for her.

    Bravo Fareed on a thoughtful column. Barack Obama is exactly what this country (and the world) needs right now. Enough of the Clintons already. She doesn't deserve it anyway. It's time for a *real* real change

  • Posted By: justalibre @ 12/17/2007 9:58:34 PM

    Maybe Fareed's vast personal experience informs his foreign policy judgements. But there is an enormous difference between the cosmopolitan upbringing of Fareed Zakaria and that of the presidential candidate. Obama lived overseas for just a few years when he was a very small child. That, by itself, hardly gives him the background to become president of the United States. The rest of his resume, by the way, is also woefully sufficient.

  • Posted By: justalibre @ 12/17/2007 9:54:26 PM

    Maybe Fareed's vast personal experience informs his foreign policy judgements. But Obama lived overseas until he was 4 years old. That, by itself, hardly gives him the background to become president of the United States. The rest of his resume is also not sufficient.

  • Posted By: Marlo @ 12/16/2007 2:52:22 PM

    Oh please.....Regarding Obama : "his judgment was formed by his experience as a boy with a Kenyan father???and later an Indonesian stepfather???who spent four years growing up in Indonesia, and who lived in the multicultural swirl of Hawaii." Who gives a #### where he lived? Obama needs Oprah to help him get voters ....isn't that proof enough?

    • Posted By: Yaw N. @ 12/17/2007 7:20:13 PM

      "Obama needs Oprah to help him get voters...isn't that proof enough?"

      Gee hyperbole much?

    • Posted By: Yaw N. @ 12/17/2007 7:18:26 PM

      "Obama needs Oprah to help him get voters....isn't that proof enough?"

      Gee hyperbole much?

    • Posted By: Bornita @ 12/16/2007 3:56:51 PM

      I think that sounds like an excellent background for making wise decisions.

  • Posted By: eddiewhere @ 12/17/2007 6:47:02 PM

    To; thibaud you have made interesting comments. I think Zakaria was talking too much about his own experience. In a way he represents the 95% of the world that is apparently disenfranchised with America. He is desperate for a Candidate, as we all are, to bring unity and peace. The Bush Administration has sparked fear around the world. This is not necessarily a "bad thing". WHy? Bush softened them up for the next democratic President of the United States. The world now realizes what happens when you attack the WORLD"S ONLY SUPERPOWER.

  • Posted By: t_thibaud @ 12/17/2007 5:41:56 PM

    This has to be one of the sillier Zakaria pieces I've ever read. Obama's not only not a foreigner, he doesn't even speak a single foreign language! Sheesh... I'm a Democrat, but I'll be the first to recognize that the Utah mormon in this race has more face to face experience in talking with, listening to and persuading foreigners-- in their own language-- than Obama does.

    The notion that Obama has any unique insight into foreign cultures, let alone any far-reaching knowledge or experience of interstate relations, is a joke. Prior to a couple years ago, the dude spent his ENTIRE adult life in Morningside Heights, Chicago, and Springfield, Illinois.

    Obama's skin contains more melanin than the average US pol, fine. BFD. He's not a foreigner, not even close. His time spent abroad was as a small child. He may well have deep memories of Indonesian food, or schoolyard games, or the particular look and feel of a madrassah, but I doubt his sojourn gave him anything in the way of insight into Southeast Asian interstate relations.

    Now compare Obama's overseas experience with that of recent US presidents and presidential candidates:

    John McCain: 5 years surrounded by Vietnamese captors, several more years in the middle of a southeast asian war in a former French colony, a war that also involved the US, the USSR, th PRC and Australia. McCain has probably spent another year in toto in fact-finding and other official travels to Asia, the middle east, and Europe.

    Dwight Eisenhower: assistant military adviser to the Philippine government, 1935-1939. Various senior military posts in the Asian, European and African theatres, 1941-44. Supreme Allied Commander for Europe, 1944-45, Supreme Commander for NATO, 1951.

    Jack Kennedy and John Kerry : combat experience over several years in the Asian or European theatres. Multiple official visits to those regions. Family ties to prominent or well-connected foreign families in Britain and Portugal. Fluency in foreign languages: Kerry was fluent in French, Kennedy spoke passable German.

    Other presidents and presidential candidates who had more experience than Obama include GHW Bush (Ambassador to China, combat experience in the European theater); Bill Clinton and Bill Bradley (Rhodes scholars at Oxford); Bob Dole, George McGovern, Bob Kerrey (combat experience in Europe and Asia).

    Fareed, I know Obama comes across as a brotha', but please. Don't insult your readers' intelligence.

  • Posted By: paddu317 @ 12/17/2007 11:52:33 AM

    The missing part is the equivalent of a Ph.D. in international affairs in Barack Obama. I think Bill Clinton articulated this point well on Charlie Rose when he said (paraphrasing) that a lot of people have the best of intentions but to translate them to working programs is where they flounder. It is how long you have been in the game and who you know and who you can bring in to execute your vision. Obama has not been in the game long enough. He does not inspire enough confidence that he is ready to do the hard work needed -- he is basking in the glory of his own words right now and it can be intoxicating. So identity alone will not cut it.

    • Posted By: upper left @ 12/17/2007 5:33:35 PM

      The Clinton's seem to greatly underestimate the experience that Obama does have: he graduated magna *** laude in International Affairs from Columbia one of the top IA programs in the world. He has a JD from Harvard. He has served on the Foriegn Affairs Committee for the past three years.

      Simply put, Obama has far more experience than Bill Clinton had when he was elected President. He has far more knowledge and experience than GW Bush. Obama has more experience than Huckabee, Romney or Giuiliani.

      The question isn't who has more experience; the question is who has enough experience and then who has demonstrated the best judgement and put forward the best proposals. I think Obama has "enough experience" and I think he has demonstrated the best judgement on Iraq and Iran.

  • Posted By: CFR999 @ 12/17/2007 5:22:15 PM

    Who an ambassador personally identifies with or relates to may have some bearing on his or her qualifications, but placing this artificial fork so high in your argument - expertise vs personal identity - makes little sense. Your sentiment is well taken: seeing our homeland as outsiders us is a percept too few foreign policy specialists have in their toolkits. Our current president is a prime example. But it's only faintly provocative (and not very constructive) to set a split so high in your argument that forces us to choose between personality identity and expertise. This duality is academic, theoretical hokum. I want both and more.

  • Posted By: rcglad @ 12/17/2007 4:47:31 PM

    I wouldn't vote for you for president either. All those CEO's that you mentioned also have experience that prepared them for the job. I lived over seas as well. Does that make me qualified to be president? Of course not and its quite telling that you didn't actually discuss Mr. Obama's qualifications. In fact, you only seemed to talk about yourself, which strikes me as a little odd.

  • Posted By: Anduril919 @ 12/17/2007 4:26:32 PM

    Forgive me if I express my incredulity. Obama's understanding of foreign affairs as a 6 year old trumps the foreign affairs experience of somebody who actually did the work? This is an unbelievable bending over backwards to deflect criticism of Obama's lack of experience. Face it. Obama is a lightweight and the most inexperienced person to seek the nomination since World War II.

  • Posted By: Anduril919 @ 12/17/2007 4:25:54 PM

    Forgive me if I express my incredulity. Obama's understanding of foreign affairs as a 6 year old trumps the foreign affairs experience of somebody who actually did the work? This is an unbelievable bending over backwards to deflect criticism of Obama's lack of experience. Face it. Obama is a lightweight and the most inexperienced person to seek the nomination since World War II.

  • Posted By: Maariyaa @ 12/17/2007 3:04:58 PM

    Home grown Americans regardless of their Ivy League diplomas tend to miss mundane and nuance in foreign cultures whereas those of us who have been exposed into other cultures can examine and sometimes appreciate unspoken gestures when dealing with people in other parts of the world.

    • Posted By: paddu317 @ 12/17/2007 3:48:23 PM

      So? That is too general to counter (I am not a homegrown American and it is easy to agree with what is said). The question is how do candidates translate such experience into policy and governance. How successful will they be given their track record in related activities? My point is that identity, intellect, motivation, work ethic all have to be there. I would settle for intellect , motivation, and work ethic ( and a superb secretary of state, a la Zakaria) if identity is absent -- not the other way around.
      Taking the assertion to an extreme, then home grown Americans do not exhibit good foreign policy judgment as presidential candidates or presidents? Let us not judge everything through Bush world.

  • Posted By: Maariyaa @ 12/17/2007 3:04:02 PM

    Home grown Americans regardless of their Ivy League diplomas tend to miss mundane and nuance in foreign cultures whereas those of us who have been exposed into other cultures can examine and sometimes appreciate unspoken gestures in other parts of the world.

  • Posted By: paddu317 @ 12/17/2007 2:53:15 PM

    Please take a look at Steve Clemons's blog at
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steve-clemons/obama-vs-clinton-on-putt_b_77093.html
    to see why I said what I said in my earlier comment.

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