p.s. if the clown did go messing with the tiger that just one more dumb person in our evolution that wont spread the "stupid" gene.
p.s. if the clown did go messing with the tiger that just one more dumb person in our evolution that wont spread the "stupid" gene.
Frosted Flake-One does not need to live amongst those things which one loves in order to appreciate and respect them. Of course nobody in their right mind would jump into a tiger's lair just out of love for the animal. That seems to be convoluted logic on your part.
deb68-- If you love monstrous tigers so much, why don't you go and jump into their pen with them and take a nap.
Frosted Flake: I'd just like to say, having read all of your comments, that your posting "handle" is very apt. You sound like a flake, and a frosted one at that.
Suggestion: I know this may be road kill, but does anyone know if tiger is edible? If so I hope they sent the carcass to a homeless shelter. Have a nice life everyone, I hope many of you meet up with a hungry tiger someday. The bleeding hearts that is.
You're a moron. Please don't breed.
Antiegone1000-- Yes, according to people...most rational people anyway. I haven't checked with tigers, aardvarks, earthworms or even cabbages to get their opinion on the matter, have you? As far as you go, perhaps you are the most important person....to you!
Well, that's my point. Everyone is the most important person to themselves, but not to everyone else. Humans don't have the right to mistreat the other beings on this planet because we are not better than they are, just different. All species have a right to live on this planet. We may have the most power, but that does not give us the right to destroy the other species. Look at it this way--a dictator has the most power in his country. Is it okay for him to mistreat the people under his leadership?? Seems to me that we usually get upset about that sort of thing........
Tigerlvr wrote: "When will people stop expecting animals to act like they have lost their natural instinics and leave them alone in order for them to live as they were intended?" Maybe what we should do is create a bomb that destroys all of human life so that the animals can rule the world and then they can kill each other off and then everyone will be happy. ? Anybody who enjoys any conveniences of modern day living has no cause to be wringing his or her hands because if you live in a house, work in a building, etc. you are equally guilty of encroachment upon the shrinking habitats of the animal kingdom, and no better than folks who like to see animals in cages.
Look, survival of the fittest, right? Human beings are the fittest. Instead of feeling guilty about it, relax and enjoy it!
Let me ask you this: if cockroaches were in danger of extinction, would you feel as bad as you do for the tigers? If not, then you are just guilty of animal racism!
animals and insects are not the same...seems you failed biology
This is a lesson to all zoo's, aquarim's and public amusement parks. Please put up cameras!!! If there were there wouldn't be any of these discussions.
I truly believe that the two remaining boys were involved in taunting the Tiger along with the one was unfortunatly killed. They now don't want to be bothered or want to be intervied, I wonder why ??!! They really have alot of answers to be made. I hope that they are not in the same room in the hospital so that they can really scheme up another answer or can someone maybe put a microphone in their room??
It's the zoo to blame, the tiger is THEIR responsibility, and their duty to make sure the animals don't attack the visitors.
Even if the visitor was taunting the tiger, It's still the Zoo's responsibility to make sure that the tiger doesn't attack anyone.
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Why down the page more, you say that no one knows for sure If the visitor taunted the beast, then up the page you say that the young man was stupid for taunting the tiger. No one knows If he did or not.
the young man was stupid to taunt the tiger? No one knows yet.
Antigone1000 wrote: "Explain to me logically how you think the tiger is to blame. The tiger acted like a tiger."
Well, based on that logic, how are humans to blame? Humans acted like humans! Some humans instinctively act to taunt others (even though that whether that was the case is just pure specualtion by many here), others protect themselves with firearms when threatened by a vicious dumb animal. Others have the instinct to put animals in cages and let other human pay to see them.
I guess no one is to blame for what happened!
But the incident could never have occured but for the actions of humans in putting a wild animal in a cage. The animal had no choice in the matter. That is why the humans are absolutely to blame.
Humans have the ability to think about what they are doing and make a choice. They may be to blame if they thought they would taunt a tiger and chose to do that. Tigers don't think like that, they only react. Therefore, there is an inequality in power, with the human having the power and thus holding the responsibility (and the blame) for the actions of both parties. Will that work as an answer for you?
I agree it would be absolutely stupid to taunt a tiger. I think the victim did exactly that and ended up paying for it. His parents need to realize and instead of blaming everyone for this including zoo administration, they should realize the problem lies witht the victim.
petasucks-I'm afraid I gave you the wrong impression. I grant you no distinction. None of what you have said has gone beyond me. I just do not agree with you. And of course you are not required to respond. I have enjoyed our lively exchange of ideas. I hope you have not taken any of my remarks personally, but it seems that now some of your remarks are straying far beyond the bounds of this forum. If you would like to return to the original issue at hand, perhaps I will join in again.
petasucks i agree with you that the tiger should have been shot but you can still feel sorry for it. It is just doing what comes naurally to it. So before you go off on your shitty speaches about *** like hitler think about it you dickhead. I also think zoos are not good. I would like to see you put up a fight against it and think we need to show animals more respect. I don't like to stereotype but i expect you will reply with some ***, but that is what most obese, sad or lonely people do. I hope i am mistaken.
Put you and me in a cage with a tiger and I win! While you call kitty, kitty, and the tiger has his way with you, I will wait for him to approach me and then I will shoot him with my gun! Survival of the fittest, and I win. You would be low on Darwin's order of things, you can only resort to nasty verbal clich??s.
Actually, petasucks, I suspect you would not win. Survival of the fittest involves the ability to adapt to one's environment. I assure you, predatory cats are far more adaptable than big-mouthed humans who spout off their prowess on message boards. :-/
Pookie, the forensic evidence at this point indicates that someone was attempting to enter the enclosure over the fence (footprint on top of the rail). Now, how is the zoo responsible for the idiocy of its patrons? Taunting a territorial predator in that fashion is asking for trouble.
Anyone who does not hold the zoo responsible for this incident is borderline insane... which seems to apply to a lot of Americans these days, especially Caifornians. The zoo should put the safety of visitors at the top of their priorities - end of story.
What if the investigation reveals that the victims were the ones who helped the tiger escape?
Antigone1000: Now you want to differentiate between man and animal????????????.how convenient. Remember, in your eyes there is no difference. In my eyes, and most of civilized society, there is a hierarchy, and man is at the top! We can reason, create, understand the difference between right and wrong, and make those choices. I feel sorry for the relatives of the victims who have grief and feel the pain of this attack. As for the other tigers at the zoo????????????they feel nothing. If anything, they may notice that there is one less and now they don???t have to share food. My so called ???hate for animals??? is nothing more than being pragmatic. I do not give them any higher place than they deserve. Many years from now the people who knew this young man will still feel sorrow at the remembrance of this event. The animals at the zoo will forget it in an instant. Also, how amazing that there are a number people trying to implicate the human victims in all of this. They somehow want to vindicate this animal and differ all blame to the victim?????????????????????sounds familiar for the bleeding-heart crowd. In any case the argument is already won! For the vast majority of society???????????????..we side with the human victims and the police! I can guarantee if a poll was taken today, it would be in the 90% area for the action that was taken. You PETA folk better get use to the idea that most of society does see you as nuts.
Planetman: How did you become an expert on what tigers feel?? or an expert on what I believe? And, actually, judging just by this blogsite alone, most people are siding with the tiger on this one.
What we should really be doing is limiting our population so that there is room on the earth for everyone. Unfortunately, the human population keeps growing and encroaching on the land inhabited by the animals, then we kill them as though THEY have gotten too close to US. There is getting to be nowhere for them to go.
Might I suggest we start with your backyard.
I would love to have a backyard big enough to rescue animals. Maybe someday........
if a tiger (or any other predator/cat) is provoked by a person, the person will more than likely end up dead. that is what tigers do: they hunt and kill. that is their nature. the tiger could not help the fact that she was a tiger. i have awe and respect for all the big cats. i would NEVER provoke a cat, nor any other animal, for that matter. the zoo should NOT be held responsible if the tiger was provoked.
barbara
Petasucks: Explain to me logically how you think the tiger is to blame. The tiger acted like a tiger. Humans know how tigers act, but chose to encage this one and several others and allow humans to stand around and look at them. What did we expect would occur in the event of an escape?? There is plenty of blame to go around, but I don't see how any of it can be laid on the tiger.
First, many of the animals come to zoos as a result of being "rescued" from other sub-standard zoos, or even confiscated from the black market where they are illegally trade because some moron wants a 300 pound tiger as a pet. Rarely are they cpatured straight out of the wild and sent to a zoo, barring some health problem or the like, where it could not survive in the wild. Top notch zoos do a service to the animals by removing them from bad conditions and furthering the possibility of the species being replenished in the wild by studying them, breeding programs, etc. That said, substandard zoos where a 500 lb. animal is kept in a box are torture, and I do not support this AT ALL.
the tiger is a wild animal, it acts on instinct. It does not know hatred have any malice or evil intent, like humans do. They kill for food, territory or because they are threatened or provoked. My 8 pound indoor kitty will stalk, pounce on and rip to shreds anything that looks like prey. If you piss her off, hurt her, threaten her, she'll unsheath the claws and bite you. This tiger was doing the same thing, it's instinct is to roam a large territory, run, and kill. Cats are very intelligent, I'm sure it wasn't happy to be enclosed, much less harassed by humans on a daily basis (I'm not saying that's what these boys did, but it does happen at zoos, we know that), it was presented the opportunity/ability to escape and it did so. Smart tiger.
I have no idea what this particular enclosure looked like, I haven't seen pictures, but a 300 lb tiger leaping 20 feet doesn't seem to be entirely impossible. My cat can leap as high as my shoulder (maybe higher?) from a seated position, so this huge tiger leaping 20 feet...?
This incident is tragic for the victims and the tiger, but this should prompt more stringent standards for keeping animals in captivity and educating the public abotu these beautiful creatures and their natural habitats, to garner respect for them in future generations and prevent the extinction of such an amazing creature.
I am an animal lover and extremely supportive of preserving the natural habitat animals and studying them to prevent extinction. I don;t eat meat and I don't wear fur, and I do NOT support killing animals. That said, humans are animals, too, and our instinct is also to survive (and protect our own). A 300 pound (pissed off) tiger sets it's sights on you, the primal insttinct is to save yourself. At this point a tranquilizer is not an option. I don;t fault the cops for shooting the tiger, they were untrained for this situation, and their lives and others were under imminent threat of severe bodily harm or death. You can kill a human under these circumstances (self-defense), they might not have much of a choice.
the tragedy is that they were put in the position where they had to in the 1st place, which, as a society, we should seek to avoid in the future.
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