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  • Posted By: alan83 @ 12/28/2007 4:45:28 PM

    Bhutto will go down in history as a martyr not unlike martyrs of the past who died trying to bring liberty to the world. Her name should be celebrated and revered all over the world; she is in effect is the mother of this democratic movement in Pakistan and other nations in that region. May God bless her family and her supporters that they can continue to fight the good fight! May God give them strength to continue to fight the tyrants that their nation is filled with and the tyrants that surround them in other nations in this region of the world. Many of our hearts in the United States go out to Bhutto's family and supporters and we pray for peace and liberty in this great nation of Pakistan and the nations that surround it; that they may have the oppurtunities we in the west too often take for granted. May God sustain those who fight for liberty and cause to be hewned down the tyrants who fight against it!

    • Posted By: SKVAM @ 12/29/2007 12:17:06 AM

      Are you a complete dunce? Don't you read Pakistani history? Those who are that ignorant should keep quiet and fool the public into thinking they're not as ignorant as they actually are. Benazir Bhutto has praised her father, who helped engineer the murder of nearly 3 million Bengalis in the early 1970s, has called the early 70s in Pakistan a time when democracy flourished, when her father, also called by Pakistanis the "Butcher of Baluchistan," subverted the results of the elections he lost, has called the Pakistani army of the time professional, when they used Nazi names for field operations to murder, has supported terror groups in Afghanistan and India, and was corrupt. Even with a Harvard degree, some stuff that floats to the top is just rank. You are utterly ignorant about her history, her family's history, and Pakistani history. And you are quite irrationally emotional about it. You have gone into a swoon. When you overcome your overly emotional, irrational state, read, read, read, and don't be like Benazir, a denier of mass murder and a person who praised the people who committed it. You sound politically correct, but rationally inept.

  • Posted By: karaswart @ 12/28/2007 7:05:25 AM

    Pakistan is a strange nation- it was created as a 'homeland' for a religious group. It's founding resulted in the displacement of people from their centuries old homes and the death of millions. How could any good come from it? Pakistan- R.I.P.

    • Posted By: notroubleatall1963 @ 12/28/2007 9:44:20 PM

      That's funny, it sounds just like the founding of our nation, the USA -- we displaced millions of Native Americans and pretty much fluctuate between extremist religous movements and assassinations of our most charismatic, gifted leaders -- the two Kennedy brothers and Martin Luther King. I think the US and Pakiston have quite a lot in common. Especially with Bush Administration spending so foolishly to support a dictator like Musharraf, not to mention the war in Iraq - which is all about making money for his buddies.

      • Posted By: SKVAM @ 12/29/2007 12:02:29 AM

        Politically correct, but incredibly stupid to compare Mohammed Ali Jinnah (do you even know who he is, if not, notroubleatall, take the trouble to learn instead of being a simpleton) to Jefferson, Payne or others. You skip around ranting one moment at Bush and another comparing foundings of nations. Don't you know how to reason? If not reason, how about common sense? You are an example of ill informed and lazy thinking at its worst. Take the trouble and learn, or better yet, go to Pakistan one day and see for yourself what a failed state looks like, where corruption is rife, and whose military engaged in one of the great mass murders of the last century, in Bengal. But that might make you think, notroubleat all, and you may not be able to have your silly foamy opinions hold up in the light of knowledge.

  • Posted By: progrm19 @ 12/28/2007 2:42:07 AM

    Dear SKVAM,
    calling something or someone by its true name (with correct spelling) is very important. Mussalmans = Muslims.
    While I understand your anger and frustration with Islamic fundamentalist, I encourage you to open your mind as well as heart and try to understand that one group or certain groups of Jihadist or extremist or whatever you may choose to call them do not make up or define the entire community.

    • Posted By: SKVAM @ 12/28/2007 3:10:20 AM

      Toleration demands we set aside our capacity to reason. Also, we can only go by what their own book and prophet said, and much of it is violent. See for yourself. I say Mussalmans because these people are trapped in this book, misled by it, and use it rightly, by the way, to justify brutality and violence. Mohammed himself used a sword and killed and enslaved. So did his followers, who were not only following the words of his creation, but his personal actions. Muslims, if you wish, have acted on their lethal book by burning, killing and forcing conversion. Yes, their entire community is defined and chooses to be defined by that book. No violent religion is a true religion as violence forces false conversions and no God can possibly be satisfied by a cowed and frightened congregation. Jesus was nonviolent; Buddha was nonviolent, Gandhi was nonviolent though Hinduism is not. If you don't like religion, be Socratic, Socrates who said violence negates reason. No I call them Mussalmans because, trapped by this violent book, they are culture destroyers. They cry about a few years out of 100 of the Crusades, but for 900 years, they followed their book and ruined many a civilization from Europe to Africa to Asia. Enough is enough. These people fear evangelism because their so-called holy book is false and they have no defense to its recommended and prescribed brutalities. Just a small example: The Koran says to whip the adultress; Jesus forgives and enlightens her accusers in the process by words alone. if there is a God, he is pleased with Jesus and rejects Mohammedan violence.

      • Posted By: notroubleatall1963 @ 12/28/2007 9:58:38 PM

        I don't know about anyone else reading these comments, but I've had just about enough of ignorant Americans (I'm a US citizen myself) dissing the Koran and Moslems, holding up Evangelism or the Baptist or some OTHER FUNDAMENTALIST faith as the "true" religion - calling the Koran and Moslem faith "false". How appalling ignorant. I'm ashamed to be an American with dummies like this raging against something they themselves actually adhere to, only it's called "Christianity" instead of "Moslem" -- we support killing and violence in Iraq in a failed policy implemented by a totally failed (some might even say flawed) so-called "Christian" president, and we have a serious problem of Fundamentalism in our own country driving our ill fated policies, political choices in the elections, and possibly even the future of our entire global economy. Our enemy is Fundamentalism - call it extremism, terrorism or what you will - the basic impetus is Fundmentalist Religion of any sort - and this goes for Jews, Christians, Arabs alike.

        • Posted By: SKVAM @ 12/28/2007 11:56:57 PM

          Now that your rant is done, you're comparing apples and oranges. Followers of any religions can be murderers, but founders and founding documents of all religions are often accepted as the infallible word of God. If that is the case, then compare the words of one religion to the words of the other religion. Have you bothered to read the words of Christ or Buddha and compared those to the words of Mohammed? If not, it is not I but you who is profoundly ignorant. Toleration is for lazy thinkers; engaging in reasoning is far better. Nonviolence is the only way because resorting to violence is irrational, as the greatest of philosophers, Socrates, notes. Fundamentalism in the service of nonviolence is not the same as fundamentalism in the service of violent words. What you say sounds so wonderfully politically correct, but intellectually lazy and inept. Read, don't just be a ranting fool.

  • Posted By: eddiewhere @ 12/28/2007 2:16:36 PM

    THE THIRD WAVE IS COMING. We are in big trouble extremist and children of moderates all around the world are being seduced by the chapter of JIHAD. If you look at the Madrassa's they are brainwashing futre genereations in that region with the chapter of JIHAD. IT is like subliminal indoctrination. This is very dangerous. THEY ARE TEACHING THE CHILDREN TO FIGHT JIHAD FOR one hundred years. Obama is the only candidate that can change antiamericanism in that region. It just feels right voting for OBAMA

  • Posted By: eddiewhere @ 12/28/2007 2:15:54 PM

    No one person can bring change, it takes a movement. Bhutto's death could have started this movement. Or it could of ended a movement. Only time will tell. This was prophesized that a woman leader would be assassinated and that it would impact the whole globe. Everyone thought it was a possible referal to an American president. Who thought it would have been Bhutto. THe extremist movement still has uncontrolled grudges against the Clinton's. Hillary Clinton could fuel the extremist cause. This extremist movement views "things" different. I felt bad when I heard the news partly because Bhutto was a women. To us it is an unspeakable crime but to others who belong to powerful extermist movements it is "nothing". These people do not care. We need Obama as president in order to fuel the peace process. Our best chance at peace and security is OBAMA. We need someone who's chief policy makers believe in the movement for peace and prospeity for all. One who understands that our troops are dying and that this issue is more important than their own personal political careers. After the assassination of JFK and Martin Luther KIng, the civil rights MOVEMENT succeeded under the Jonhnson administration in having civil rights legislation passed into law. It was a MOVEMENT that could not be stopped. Bin Laden is a god to extremist, he is their BHUTTO, extremist have no problems committting atrocities. In fact it is their dream, it is their end goal in life. This is why we cannot let these extremist continue to multiply. Obama is our best chance. He is also intelligent enough to know Russia and it's breakaway republics in Central Asia as well as the technological advancement of CHina and it blatent theft of intellectual property is a threat that needs to be dealt with.
    THERE IS A DIRECT LINK BETWEEN BHUTTO AND AMERICAN POLITICS. Her death is a wake uP call to all Politicians and Voters.

  • Posted By: Buttercup @ 12/28/2007 10:55:08 AM

    eddiewhere- what does Hillary and/or Obama have anything to do with Pakistan and the death of Bhutto??? Do not use this incident to try and sway American voters one way or the other. The deaths of JFK and MLK are not in the same category as the murders taking place in the Middle East.

  • Posted By: eddiewhere @ 12/28/2007 5:56:15 AM

    THE THIRD WAVE IS COMING. We are in big trouble extremist and children of moderates all around the world are being seduced by the chapter of JIHAD. If you look at the Madrassa's they are brainwashing futre genereations in that region with the chapter of JIHAD. IT is like subliminal indoctrination. This is very dangerous. THEY ARE TEACHING THE CHILDREN TO FIGHT JIHAD FOR one hundred years. Obama is the only candidate that can change antiamericanism in that region. It just feels right voting for OBAMA

    • Posted By: Buttercup @ 12/28/2007 10:54:57 AM

      eddiewhere- what does Hillary and/or Obama have anything to do with Pakistan and the death of Bhutto??? Do not use this incident to try and sway American voters one way or the other. The deaths of JFK and MLK are not in the same category as the murders taking place in the Middle East.

    • Posted By: Buttercup @ 12/28/2007 10:54:31 AM

      eddiewhere- what does Hillary and/or Obama have anything to do with Pakistan and the death of Bhutto??? Do not use this incident to try and sway American voters one way or the other. The deaths of JFK and MLK are not in the same category as the murders taking place in the Middle East.

  • Posted By: eddiewhere @ 12/28/2007 5:55:38 AM

    Somilia, USS COLE, First trade center bombing, embassy in Tanzania ect... duffle. The extremist movement against America begam after the first invasion of Iraq. American troop presence the root cause. I am not saying Hillary is not capable, I just think that Barak Obama has the right instincts and skills to tame that region. He is part of a movement that is very determined to succeed. Hillary Clinton will be an asset to the OBAMA presidency. Hillary Clinton is not a figure that will be welcomed in the traditional Muslim world as president, as a member of OBAMA's presidency YES. WHY?because it is a different culture. This is the first time a woman actually has a chance to become president. That is cutting edge even for our culture, imagine how it is perceived in the Muslim world, they are not ready yet. OBAMA just represents unity, it is what this country needs now.
    THE THIRD WAVE IS COMING

  • Posted By: eddiewhere @ 12/28/2007 5:41:47 AM

    No one person can bring change, it takes a movement. Bhutto's death could have started this movement. Or it could of ended a movement. Only time will tell. This was prophesized that a woman leader would be assassinated and that it would impact the whole globe. Everyone thought it was a possible referal to an American president. Who thought it would have been Bhutto. THe extremist movement still has uncontrolled grudges against the Clinton's. Hillary Clinton could fuel the extremist cause. This extremist movement views "things" different. I felt bad when I heard the news partly because Bhutto was a women. To us it is an unspeakable crime but to others who belong to powerful extermist movements it is "nothing". These people do not care. We need Obama as president in order to fuel the peace process. Our best chance at peace and security is OBAMA. We need someone who's chief policy makers believe in the movement for peace and prospeity for all. One who understands that our troops are dying and that this issue is more important than their own personal political careers. After the assassination of JFK and Martin Luther KIng, the civil rights MOVEMENT succeeded under the Jonhnson administration in having civil rights legislation passed into law. It was a MOVEMENT that could not be stopped. Bin Laden is a god to extremist, he is their BHUTTO, extremist have no problems committting atrocities. In fact it is their dream, it is their end goal in life. This is why we cannot let these extremist continue to multiply. Obama is our best chance. He is also intelligent enough to know Russia and it's breakaway republics in Central Asia as well as the technological advancement of CHina and it blatent theft of intellectual property is a threat that needs to be dealt with.

  • Posted By: KK123 @ 12/28/2007 3:26:27 AM

    islam is a dark and evil religion, it advocates for evil, deceit and murder. it advocates for ignorance and injustice.
    ISLAM IS A CANCER TO OUR WORLD. Everywehere it goes it destroys.

    Regardless of the situation it's always the same. where there is islam there is repression, evil, and violence.

    The great prophet Mohammed had siphilis, and married a 9 year old child. what kind of sickkos can believe in a pedophile?????!!

  • Posted By: drnazeer @ 12/28/2007 3:24:55 AM

    Please Pakistani people, you are smart people. What is going on in your country?If you contiue like that you loose all the good things you have.Pakistans land is fertile enough to give an other Benazir, Please make sure she will be OK.

  • Posted By: marson @ 12/28/2007 2:43:11 AM

    It is a barbaric act to have such a famous lady , and it is a sad day in pakistan that will ever be remember for the life history of pakistan. Bhutto killer and perpetrator most bring to book to face the rule of the law. she left a good lagecy that we ll ever be emulate forever, her is a blow to the of pakistani Democracy, it is a sad day.
    May her soul rest in peace.
    marson.

    • Posted By: drnazeer @ 12/28/2007 3:17:01 AM

      No doubt that demise of Benazir is a great Worldly loss.But Iam quite sure that the Pakistani Land is fertile enough to give an other Benazir.The question is how can we make sure that Pakistan will be alright in the future? What has happened has happened.Pakistani people need to sit at differet levels and decide about their future.

  • Posted By: saifulhaq @ 12/28/2007 3:08:20 AM

    to me the assasination of Benazir Bhutto is the assasination of democracy and meritocracy.

    From: saif ul haq... Chitral(Booni), North Pakistan

  • Posted By: drnazeer @ 12/28/2007 3:06:12 AM

    The sad event and the great loss that happened in Pakistan can happen wherever peoples education in a proper way is ignored. Pakisatan and many other third World countries need radical basic changes to modify peoples way of thinking.
    Elnazeer

  • Posted By: saifulhaq @ 12/28/2007 3:05:46 AM

    to me the assasination of Benazir Bhutto is the assasination of symbol of democracy and meritocracy..

    Saif ul haq ... Chitral(Booni) North Pakistan.

  • Posted By: focuzd @ 12/28/2007 1:55:21 AM

    Bush sucks plain and simple. The worst part is that everybody on here speaks about his judgement as if he makes all the decisions. Come on lets be honest people, we know he doesnt even write his own speeches, why would he make his own decisions. We know his decisions are mostly made for him and he signs. He doesnt have a back bone so even if he feels something is morally incorrect do you really think he's going to stand up for america?No, he's going to do exactly what he's told to do. How does this slip through our minds.I feel sorry for the guy, I hope he's able to sleep, live, and one day pass on without this on his conscious.I'm definately not for him but then again i'm not for spineless human beings away. As far as Bhutto goes I don't know much about her besides that she told for right doing.Bush, since your title is president and I can't speak to the people that pull your puppet string please tell us how many more people have to die for a war they didnt start?If your really our president,supposedly a modern day americanized version of a king, you need to strap one of those vest on, fatigue up, and fight with our troops, thats is - if you feel your life is worth it. -Focuzd,south florida

    • Posted By: fastgti @ 12/28/2007 3:03:13 AM

      focused i would have to disagree but i am NOT mad for your decision. i am in the service and i am glad to do what i do. the real question is in in job in the world do the top poeple make the decisions or is there someone else that makes it for them? in all my life i have see the owners and CEOs and everyone else that is the BIG boss never make the decisions. they just do what other people that work for the tell them to do. jeff

  • Posted By: kbehin @ 12/28/2007 2:39:11 AM

    As I remembere on 1989 when I was in Pakinstan, Taliban was fully supported by Bhutto. you know well that Taliban and Al-Qudeh both have in close relationship with Pakistan. Also Pakistani soldiers helped Taliban. On the other hand, I beleived that most ladies in Pakistan liked Buhtto and there was a type of semi- democracy in Pakistan. But in fact and unfortunately Terrorism on that date was supported by Pakistan and US.
    But as a person who beleives on democracy, terrorism in any shape and kind is against humanity and civilization and I am very sorry for what happened in Pakistan.

  • Posted By: progrm19 @ 12/28/2007 2:33:15 AM

    I would not consider Benazir Bhutto "the beacon of democracy" she is being called, instead I think she instilled hope in the masses, who believed in her, to bring change that (needless to say) she never did in her last two terms as prime minister. Her sudden death is sad not to mention a dark reminder of what the world is becoming with our help.

  • Posted By: progrm19 @ 12/28/2007 2:30:03 AM

    I would not consider Benazir Bhutto "the beacon of democracy" she is being called, instead I think she instilled hope in the masses, who believed in her, to bring change that (needless to say) she never did in her last two terms as prime minister. Her sudden death is sad not to mention a dark reminder of what the world is becoming with our help.

  • Posted By: skssm @ 12/28/2007 12:19:01 AM

    Respose to eddiwhere: I understand that JIHAD is a big trouble for you. But please look into the reason for this. If you give equal rights to everybody, all will be happy and no reason for JIHAD. BUT you should try to know what is happening in PALESTINE, KASHMIR and AFGHANISTAN, IRAQ and all other parts of the world. Americans are tring to crush Muslims and undo favouring their opponents. I would also feel right for OBAMA and wish that he could provide justice for all without being biased.

    • Posted By: SKVAM @ 12/28/2007 2:25:13 AM

      You Mussalmans are your own worst enemies. What of the 1-3 million Bengali Moslems murdered by West Pakistan in the 1970s? What of the Sunni Shiite mutual murder fest? What of your destruction of others' places of worship, your cowardly tenting of your women, to protect your men from drooling; what of all those dictatorships in so-called Moslem countries? Stop whining. You had 900 years of wanton destruction and murder throughout Africa and Asia and Europe (where your exported nearly one million slaves to north Africa). Indeed your own court historians documented your barbarity. Library burners, temple destroyers, art smashers, you are your own worst enemy. You fear dialogue, that is why you ban evangelism in your pathetic nations. Stop crying; your "defense" sure looks like disgusting and low offense to the world.

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