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PAKISTAN

What About the Nukes?

Despite its claims, Pakistan's nuclear weapons are vulnerable.

Newsweek Web Exclusive
Dec 28, 2007 | Updated: 1:35  p.m. ET Dec 28, 2007

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  • Posted By: Ghostrider @ 02/01/2008 6:00:41 AM

    Comment: WHAT ABOUT THE NUKES ... in the US of A ?

    Are the Nukes in the US safe ? after all this is a country .. so over ridden with guns that even skool kids regularly take guns to school and shoot each other with them. This so called civilised nation actually promotes the right to bare arms and has ... thousands upon thousands of rouge groups part taking in military type training, armed with the most sophisticated of military hardware. This is also the nation that bred the likes of Timothy MacVae ..... Heres a novel idea ... instead of u Americans worrying about everyone elses problems .. firstly get your own house in order. Instead of preaching to the likes of Iran about Nuclear weapons ... do something about your own weapons ... and instead of trying to eradicate terror in the world ... try n stop your own young thugs from shooting each other in skool.

  • Posted By: fahadashraf @ 01/04/2008 4:02:01 PM

    Comment: Well, Pakistan's nukes are not stones scattered on the roads that anyone can steal and use them. Pakistan has a strong and Fool-Proof Nuclear Command and Control system better than any western country like USA or UK etc. etc. These are all imaginary and childish fanatasies created by the West about Pakistani Nuclear Programe. But there are some other extremely serious issues because of which Pakistan is suffering, i.e. "The Useless War Against Terror" . This wasn't our war at all because 9/11 was being conducted under the supervision of USA to attack and invade Muslim countries' resources. So it is in the Pakistan's best interests to withdraw from this war.

    • Posted By: thebignag @ 01/10/2008 05:44:16

      Comment: As a Pakisthani you pride in your nukes are justified. But, remember, the fire in pakistan today was lit by Pakistan itself. It's easy to blame the West for using Pakistan during the cold war. But, you must not forget that Pakistan was a willing partner... The so called FATHER OF Paki nuke was caught peddling the same to all and sundry... SURE the world will take Pakistan's word that the Nukes are secure...

  • Posted By: hajirazi @ 01/03/2008 11:06:30 AM

    Comment: Can US and UK and their ally could stop suicide attacks in Afghanistan, Iraq, Israel or even in US and UK after 9/11.

    If no, then what is relation of suicide attacks in Pakistan with vulnerability to its Nukes ?.

    If there exist one, then Yes Pakistan's nukes are as vulnerable as nukes of US / UK / Israel / France and India.

  • Posted By: peacemonger @ 01/03/2008 8:30:06 AM

    Comment: Not a big issue. Pakistan is an ally of US. So !! Even if Mush sells Nuke to Al Quida Bush is not going to rush his army to Pakistan to prevent this eventuality. Why? Pakistan does not have Oil Wells !!! Never mind. Remember? The scientist who sold the NUKE secrets to Iran has already been condoned by Mush.

    • Posted By: nawawimohamad @ 01/03/2008 23:08:44

      Comment: To peacemonger; You are being naive about the OIL issue here. Musharraf has just given the consent to implement the $7.4billion Iran-Pakistan-India gas pipeline(please surf the internet for further information!) which was opposed by the US. This eventually will create a big hole in the US sanction against Iran. The US was not able to force India to abort the deal, therefore the US brokered in the return of Bhutto and Shariff to replace Musharraf. This is just the begining of the quagmire!

  • Posted By: peacemonger @ 01/03/2008 8:21:08 AM

    Comment: Pakistan is an ally of US. So, even if Mushsharaff sells the Nukes to Al AQuida, dont expect Bush to rush to Pakistan with US militry to stop them. Mind you, Pakistan does not have OIL WELLS like Iraq.

  • Posted By: nawawimohamad @ 01/03/2008 3:24:04 AM

    Comment: Please do not exagerate on the amount and danger of the nuclear arsenal in Pakistan. It is just a play toy. If it is really overwhelming then the US and Israel will have no second thoughts of destroying them especucially now, at this juncture. Pakistan is a very poor country and can't afford the nuclear bill. The tests they performed in recent years were just for show and the US knew it.

  • Posted By: fallingfear @ 01/02/2008 6:16:33 PM

    Comment: Anything can be vulnerable...

  • Posted By: Neiman277 @ 01/02/2008 3:11:05 PM

    Comment: So? Not much WE can do about it. Besides, when you're dead you don't care.

  • Posted By: ODOYO @ 01/01/2008 3:55:33 AM

    Comment: They Are Safe And Sound...

    • Posted By: nukejet75 @ 01/01/2008 12:56:04

      Comment: or Just Wait for the Big Sound.

  • Posted By: GOREMAN12 @ 12/31/2007 11:22:16 PM

    Comment: SURE-NUCLEAR WEAPONS ARE SAFE BECAUSE MR.M,THE PRIME DICTATOR,SAYS SO--ANYONE
    WHO LENDS THAT ASSURANCE MORE THAN A YAWN IS SIMPLY A DANGEROUS AIR-HEAD.
    J.MCCORMICK

  • Posted By: Secrets @ 12/31/2007 11:12:11 PM

    Comment: And God said watch Pakistan in February for the shakings shall take place there and it shall even affect Iran.

    www.jcudell.blogspot.com

  • Posted By: joesteph @ 12/31/2007 9:56:36 PM

    Comment: I thought that there was a program initiated after the collapse of the Soviet Union to have nuclear weapons in the new Central Asian republics dismantled. They have no resources for maintaining these weapons; it's too expensive, and the Russians have even had American aid in reducing the Russian arsenal. Pakistan has nuclear weapons out of fear of India--and vice-versa. But the problem I see if a fundamentalist Islamist government backed by Al-Q and the Taliban ever came to power wouldn't be an attack on India or any neighboring country. There's an estimate of thirty nukes in Pakistan, and I'm less concerned about the group that wants all thirty than the group that want one--just one.

  • Posted By: mkf1 @ 12/31/2007 9:05:57 PM

    Comment: Dream on youre never getting hold of Pakistans nukes.

    • Posted By: karaswart @ 01/01/2008 10:11:35

      Comment: Of course not. The Generals have sold them on. They need a pension plan too.

  • Posted By: karaswart @ 12/31/2007 7:38:59 PM

    Comment: Pakistan is a bit like theUK bank Northern Rock. They have failed but need to be kept artificially alive so that the detritus from their destruction does not create unwanted shock waves. The key thing with Pakistan ( as with Northern Rock) is to plan their deconstruction, so that the people living in what is currently Pakistan do not suffer- and the nukes are safely disposed off.

  • Posted By: Houlbelat @ 12/31/2007 9:08:05 AM

    Comment: If Nukes with Central Asian states bordering Afghanistan and Iran, liberated from the USSR are safe after almost two decades, there should be no worries about Pakistani nukes as well. It was much easier for Afghans to get nuclear fission material from them and make dirty bombs, but there is no evidence any such efforts even.

    Pakistan has nuclear capability for decades now, but has acted responsibly. World also has responsibility too, not to blow various issues out of proportions.

  • Posted By: thebignag @ 12/31/2007 5:30:38 AM

    Comment: We need not worry about securing the nukes in Pakistan. Al Qeada and it???s cronies are not looking at stealing the nukes. They have already initiated the process to steal the state itself with all the booty. Of course, moving a few nukes from the present government control to their control will be a part of their short strategy befor the state comes under their total control. Pakistan is ripe for a steal. I would not be surprised if within the next year or so, Mush becomes history, the modernist secular middle class shot and bombed into silence and half the Paki army deserting and putting their lots with the Mullahs. That is when the world will be shitting in their pants???. US will have to pay a very heavy price for creating / using Mujahedins as state policy. And the second mistake - sleeping with the enemy ??? Pakistan a key ally BAH!!

  • Posted By: thebignag @ 12/31/2007 5:30:03 AM

    Comment: We need not worry about securing the nukes in Pakistan. Al Qeada and it???s cronies are not looking at stealing the nukes. They have already initiated the process to steal the state itself with all the booty. Of course, moving a few nukes from the present government control to their control will be a part of their short strategy befor the state comes under their total control. Pakistan is ripe for a steal. I would not be surprised if within the next year or so, Mush becomes history, the modernist secular middle class shot and bombed into silence and half the Paki army deserting and putting their lots with the Mullahs. That is when the world will be shitting in their pants???. US will have to pay a very heavy price for creating / using Mujahedins as state policy. And the second mistake - sleeping with the enemy ??? Pakistan a key ally BAH!!

  • Posted By: enterprise99 @ 12/30/2007 10:36:15 PM

    Comment: With nuclear weapons the key issue is that there is no military solution to the problem by itself. Politically through dialogue the issue of nuclear weapons has to be controlled not just through military means.
    If we supress nations and allow only small amounts of enrichment this will only cause resentment. Should countrise be able to join the NPT. The answer is yes if it is for peaceful purposes say to enrich uranium for electricity or research. To make plutonium for a bomb means enriching to 90% and this is why the world has cheques and balances in the system. The key question is what is a rogue state as the US wants rogue states restricted. Also geographically certain areas are of concern and then there are tests of dirty bombs. Russias pledge to provide Iran with enriched uranium is an example of cooperation. However in the long term I feel Iran will want to enrich its own uranium as transferring enriched yellowcake is complex. In summary every country can enrich for peaceful purposes but given the issues discussed the present model of rogue states and goegraphical phobia more dialogue is needed so more trust can be built in the system.

  • Posted By: eddiewhere @ 12/30/2007 8:07:52 PM

    Comment: NO ONE LIKES BEING CAUGHT WITH THEIR PANTS DOWN. EXPERIENCE.AND JUDGEMENT. WHAT CAN HILLARY DO THAT OBAMA CANNOT. THIS IS THE QUESTION I HAVE BEEN ASKING MYSELF. I THINK THE WORLD WILL WELCOME OBAMA AND AT LEAST GAVE HIM A FAIR CHANCE. REPUBLICANS WILL SWALLOW THEIR PRIDE AND WORK WITH OBAMA. THEY WILL NEVER DO THAT WITH HILLARY. HILLARY AND EDWARDS ARE GOOD PEOPLE, HOWEVER THEIR VOTING RECORD AND THEIR LACK OF COURAGE HAS LEAD ME TO QUESTION WHETHER THEY HAVE THE RIGHT INSTINCTS AND JUDGEMENT TO BE IN OFFICE. I REALLY THINK THEY WOULD BE MORE EFFECTIVE UNDER AN OBAMA PRESIDENCY. OBAMA WILL NOT TRY AND CONTROL EVERYTHING.
    sANDY, EDWARDS IS DESpERATE. thIS MAN FOLLOWED JOHN KERRY. HE WILL DO AND SAY ANYTHING. EVEN IF HE MEANS IT NOW IT IS TOO LATE. OBAMA AND CLINTON ARE TOO SMART, THEY KNOW THAT WHAT YOU SAY TODAY COULD FINISH YOU TOMORROW. ONLY A CANDIDATE WITH NOTHING TO LOSE WILL SAY WHAT EDWARDS IS SAYING. WHAT HAS HE DONE. BE HONEST. HILLARY IS pROUD THAT SHE WENT AGIANST HER pRINCIpLES TO GIVE BUSH A BLANK CHECK. WHY. IT WAS GOOD FOR WESTERN NEW YORK. HILLARY IS NOT STUpID IF THE WAR HAD NEGATIVE ECONOMIC CONSEQUENCES IN BUFFALO, SHE WOULD HAVE VOTED AGAINST IT. TRANSpARENCY IS SOMETHING NIETHER pARTY WANTS. NO ONE LIKE GETTING CAUGHT WITH THEIR pANTS DOWN AND THEN LECTURED ABOUT JUDGEMENT CALL

  • Posted By: eddiewhere @ 12/30/2007 8:07:42 PM

    Comment:
    MUSLIMS THAT ARE MODERATES AND peaceful are susceptible to the indoctrination of the JIHAD chapter. At any time a young MUSLIM can change and carry out an attack in the name of GOD. THIS IS WHY THE CHApter of JIHAD is so dangerous. WE have kids in this country who have grown up in this country, falling under the spell. Suicide bombers are even doctors and lawyers who are citizens in western countries. The crusades happened centuries ago. Your religion has not evolved it is still in the MEDIEVAL AGES and this is a big problem. This is why BHUTTO was so visciously assassinated. IT WAS A TERRORIST WEARING BLACK GLASSES THAT CARRIED OUT THE ASSISSINATION' WOW WHAT A MESSAGE, BHUTTO USED TO WEAR AMERICAN BLACK GLASSES. THERE are MILLIONS OF pakistanis that have rejected western culture and they have sent their message. IT HAS BEEN HEARD WITH A BANG AROUND THE WORLD

    Comment: Is this democracy or a family dynasty. Either you have democracy or you do not. Handing leadership to family members is the source of corruption. What a chocie, corruption and an American runned government or the Military. We need to let people choose their destiny if not we will be stuck where we do not belong. I as an American am distrurbed that we are medaling all around the world, while people on this side are starving, homeless, without health care ectt.... THis is crazy, just because Bhutto dies we would choose a nut like Guilliani.
    Even moderate Muslims are swayed by the JIHAD CHApter. The offspring of these moderates have already carried out attacks in England and have tried in Canada and AMerica.Wow. Homegrown Citizens. What is amazing is how they are influenced by the Iraq war. They turn on the T.V and become enraged. It is like they have smelled "BAD BARBECUE". Their only hope to strike back is JIHAD. Remember Muslims have been indoctrinating their own for centuries. They have finally perfected it. This chapter allows leaders to indoctrinate their people all around the world. The " Ayattolah" has used this doctrine on Salman Rushdie who is an INDIAN. The only way to deal with a nuclear threat, is in private. We should gurantee all countries FREE AND FAIR ELECTIONS. However if the people choose an extremist government that wants to use weapons of mass destruction then they must understand the consequences. IT IS THESE SAME CONSEQUENCES THAT have DETERed RUSSIA FROM USING THEIR NUCLEAR ARSERNAL AS MUSCLE. WE WILL Annihlate YOU if you threaten with nuclear weapons. That is why the Middle East Governments threaten Israel because they know better. The same goes for pakistan, any government that takes power after Free and Fair Elections, will be delivered the same message, In addition, they will assist us in the HUNT FOR BIN LADEN. Keeping Bin LADEN alive seems to be making a lot of people rich.

  • Posted By: dirtybutclean @ 12/30/2007 1:03:08 PM

    Comment: All talk about the nukes finding their way into religious fundamentalists' hands is not just a matter of conjecture or vague speculation. I have the sneaking feeling that it has already happened and al-Qaeda is just waiting for the most opportune moment to strike. A preemptive strike against Pakistan is not necessarily a shocking alternative. This cauldron of terror needs to be consigned to the dustbin of history forever.

  • Posted By: nukejet75 @ 12/30/2007 12:55:33 PM

    Comment: Pakistan is another huge disaster waiting to happen.Already the nukes are in the hand of a terrorist nation,but if it gets into the hands of the osma friends,Something bigger that 9/11 would happen.its not the question of if ,but when.if you look at the history of the "pakistani nuclear program",AQ Khan stole the tech from the europians and after further developing it ,he sold it to other countires like libya.if such a high ranking person(Supposed to be Father of atomic program,but is a common theif) is willing to sell to the highiest bidder,why not those paki generals who are stealing American money in the name of "war on terror". If American foriegn policy keeps this direction of supporting pakistan in the so called war on terror,(Giving the terrorist money to fight the terrorist) and expecting true democracy in pakistan.Is the American administration blind to the history of pakistan or have they lost their marbles.I know Amerians have strike capabilites against convensional armies,but we are dealing with freaks beliving a invisible person promising them X number of pu**y in the after life and will go any extent to enjoy that.Hope America wakes up and takes direct military control of all the nukes and destroys them before the p***y hungry freaks get hold of it.

  • Posted By: shoegen @ 12/30/2007 8:57:48 AM

    Comment: The USA has drawn up plans for securing Pakistans nuclear arsenal in case hostile elements take over the government there..It is needless to say that would be an extremely difficult and bloody military operation. This is why the US is using all the influence it can to shape a US friendly government and an ally in the global war on terror.Diplomacy and foreign aid seem to be working for the time being but if all their efforts should go south on them they would put plan B into effect. All known missle sites will be bombarded and all of their mobile rocket launchers will be pinpointedand destoyed.These plans are discussed and updated every day and new targets are added and change constantly from real-time satelite surveilance. So lets not dilude ourselves into thinking the US can do nothing they just choose to wait and see for now.

    • Posted By: Braes @ 12/30/2007 10:30:19

      Comment: B-2's and gravity 330kt shots, airburst, 3850ft AGL. 472 hits and divots, all long drives. 2nd place in a Nuclear War is a bad thing. We can't invade doo doo in a nation of 130 million anything. That would take 3-4 years of build up. See WWII. 16.8mil in uniform. 30,000,000 women get jobs and greater social equality. (Have only had vote 20 years.) 1941 and 9/11 were handled differently. We took our eye off the Nation State that held cotrol of the bad actor. We also didn't build out a mass national capacity to take and hold by what Schwarzkopf would agree was overwhelming force, logistics and manouver. Nope, we didn't do that.
      Someone called it "Long-Hard-Slog" which has been lay it to the troops. Going Saddam hunting for various Oil consortia through the VP's office kept us from focusing on the people who attacked us.

  • Posted By: Visitor on Earth @ 12/30/2007 3:24:35 AM

    Comment:
    Isalmic fundamentalists, and evil (P2 1 of 2)

    Regarding Jerusalem - if some Native Indians tomorrow claim Washington DC, you would give them half ? Or put it under UN supervision? (Mind you: Europeans were NOT there before the Natives, whereas Jews WERE in Israel before Arabs, even if they were later mostly dispersed. You really OCCUPIED their land!). And would you also give half of Texas to Mexico ? You would STILL have much more security in the remaining land than Israelis would: without the West Bank Israel is only 8 MILES (!) wide at its waist (at Netanya)! - a temptation for neigbouring Arab countries' tanks! Btw, a Q : if Cuba's Communists showered Florida with rockets (as Hamas showers Israel from Gaza) say honestly, would the US would react gingerly like Israel, or would it FLATTEN Cuba?
    Your remark "Islamic (...) fundamentalism (...) consequently is easily defeated". How sadly and naively wrong!
    You seem to think Islamic fundamentalism is a new, fleeting phenomenon, soon to disappear out of sheer evil and stupidity! No, it dates from the prophet Muhammad himself, when in 622 CE he moved to Medina (13 years after his revelations from Allah) and began raiding caravans and subjugating his land. How do you think Islam conquered all the countries now Islamic ? By persuasion? Huh ? No, by the RELIGIOUS Islamic bloody sword! In India for example Muslim conquerors in their final conquests (Bihar, 1193 CE) killed TENS of millions of Hindus (and practically ALL Buddhists who were, due to their religion, UNARMED). No Buddhism in India since then! As I said in my post - they did it as commanded to do in the Koran (Chapter 9, verse 5; et al)
    Islam never gave almost anything to its people. (Except booty). The acclaimed "Muslim achievements" in medicine in the Middle Ages (when Europe was indeed backward) were APPROPRIATED by Muslims from Persian and Indian culture! And YET Islamic fundamentalism endures: While US sends space probes to Neptune and Pluto and beyond (and Israel invents ever-smaller microchips) in Saudi Arabia convicted men are executed by BEHEADINGS (not by criminals but by Islamic law) publicly in the city's central square! (A Hindu friend of mine who worked there saw it with his own eyes). Islamists rule in other Muslim countries too.
    So unfortunately, Islamic fundamentalism will not be "easily defeated" (have you EVER seen in the media a SINGLE demonstration or protest by Muslims against ANY atrocity by Islamic fundamentalists ? ) Europe is learning: already Muslim-dominated areas in England and France demand sharia laws ! Your country too is beginning to learning : already Americans may NOT speak freely about Islam in the (physical) media (because it makes them "racist")! Thanks God for the internet! For how long ?!
    Woe are we all, if the world, with you, sees a handful of Jewish settlers (who do NOT kill) as a problem balancing Islamic fundamentalism who would (if they only could!) kill MILLIONS !!

    G.A.

    • Posted By: dirtybutclean @ 12/30/2007 13:07:55

      Comment: Hey, I admire your sense of courage in taking head-on all this tripe about islam being a peace-loving religion. Political correctness is getting on to ridiculous levels nowadays. I'm happy we still got right-thinking people inhabiting this planet.
      Jai Hind!

  • Posted By: Visitor on Earth @ 12/30/2007 3:12:45 AM

    Comment:
    Isalmic fundamenrtalists, and evil (Pt 1 of 2)

    To jncc1701

    Since you mention Israel (unknowledgeably) let me explain:

    First, you seem to think land was occupied by Israel from the "Palestinians" - tell me WHEN in history it belonged to Palestinians and I will send you a free ticket to Hawaii as reward. (Most Arabs CAME from neigbouring areas because of economic activity by immigrating Jews). The very WORD "Palestinians" refers to Arabs ONLY since the mid 1900s !

    "double talk and using religious doctrine" ? - You, like many, seem to be unknowledgeable about the Israeli-Palestinian issue so I'll explain.

    About 20 % of the Israeli population are Muslim Arabs (called "Israeli Arabs" to distinguish them from Palestinian Arabs) and have equal rights. So there's no problem with "religious doctrine" towards them. But If you mean towards PALESTINIAN (Muslim) Arabs in the West Bank then yes, right-wing "Jewish extremists" do settle on that UNINHABITED ("occupied") land. In you (and not just your) view they are responsible for all the World's evil ? Responsible even if Islamists soon wield Pakistan's nuclear weapons !? :-)

    In Palestinian-controlled Gaza not a SINGLE JEW is allowed to live in. He would be killed "within half an hour" (as a taxi driver whom I asked how long we would survive if we entered Gaza told me. Some Israelis have already been LYNCHED there.) They try to murder literally EVER SINGLE JEW they can, and when they succeed they are seen by most Palestinians as HEROES. (When an Israeli soldier - very rarely - kills a [NON-terrorist] Palestinian he is TRIED IN COURT!) A neutral (Norwegian) polls says that a MAJORITY (c. 60 %) of Palestinians in Gaza support terrorism (not just against Israel but, interestingly, against the West in general !). Unique, I think, in history: a MAJORITY of a people - supports what is clearly evil!

    Is all this "the other side of the religious fanaticism coin"? The balance that you well-intentionally (but naively and falsely) see ?

    You, like many others do not understand the core of the problem: the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is NOT about parts of territory ! If so it would have been resolved long ago! At Camp David Arafat was offered 98 % of the disputed ("occupied") land PLUS 2 % of Israel proper (to compensate for the Jewish settlements in the West Bank), but he refused out of hand.

    The ONLY reason why the Israeli-Palestinian is not solvable is because Islamists believe their RELIGION demands that ALL of Israel be theirs! Because Muhammed visited it on a horse IN A VISION (or dream) ! Later the Al Aksa Mosque was built on that spot.

    G. A.

  • Posted By: WorldWithoutMuslims @ 12/30/2007 2:32:30 AM

    Comment: Pakistani Talibans already control Nukes! They have sold some to Saudi Arabia already for disgusting amount of money. Iran wants to buy also to gift it to Israel. Whereas Osama is busy making plans with Talibani Musarraf to deliver them to USA. Wake up you yapping fools. It is important to check and confront Pakistan before it is too late. foreget about Iraq, confront Pakistan instead conservatives have chosen to sleep with the pakistani enemy.

    • Posted By: Nuculer George @ 12/31/2007 08:28:04

      Comment: Thanks for this. Also thanks for siting all those credible sources.

    • Posted By: Nuculer George @ 12/31/2007 08:28:02

      Comment: Thanks for this. Also thanks for siting all those credible sources.

    • Posted By: Nuculer George @ 12/31/2007 08:25:57

      Comment: Thanks for this. Also thanks for siting all those credible sources.

  • Posted By: new0214 @ 12/30/2007 12:30:00 AM

    Comment: Its more important to realize that the world is facing a threat today, far greater than the threat the world has faced any time in the past. Muslims know its only a matter of time before they get hold of a dirty bomb, weather radioactive, chemical or biological ( maybe even nuclear ) which is portable ( This is not my opinion - technology will MAKE this happen )

    While non-muslims are busy sounding important, and while the politicians in the West are debating nothing, while opinion makers all over are yapping, while human right activists are making peace marches, - the Muslims are busy sitting in their houses and laughing at non muslims. Because the real jehad is not bombs, or this submission nonsense. The real jehad is PATIENCE. Patience to tide over the window period and hit when it hurts.

    Moderate Muslims only serve to keep westerners confused and disorganised ??? until the window period is over. I have always maintained that 9/11 was a picnic. Soon the jehadis can put that portable dirty bomb in a merchant navy ship and let it dock in - say san francisco, maybe in apartment blocks in europe. Anything can happen

  • Posted By: new0214 @ 12/30/2007 12:28:04 AM

    Comment: Its more important to realize that the world is facing a threat today, far greater than the threat the world has faced any time in the past. Muslims know its only a matter of time before they get hold of a dirty bomb, weather radioactive, chemical or biological ( maybe even nuclear ) which is portable ( This is not my opinion - technology will MAKE this happen )

    While non-muslims are busy sounding important, and while the politicians in the West are debating nothing, while opinion makers all over are yapping, while human right activists are making peace marches, - the Muslims are busy sitting in their houses and laughing at non muslims. Because the real jehad is not bombs, or this submission nonsense. The real jehad is PATIENCE. Patience to tide over the window period and hit when it hurts.

    Moderate Muslims only serve to keep westerners confused and disorganised ??? until the window period is over. I have always maintained that 9/11 was a picnic. Soon the jehadis can put that portable dirty bomb in a merchant navy ship and let it dock in - say san francisco, maybe in apartment blocks in europe. Anything can happen

  • Posted By: alexk @ 12/29/2007 11:39:11 PM

    Comment: world will wake up only pak nukes explode in some country. Then every one say , i told you so. But no one taken any action. pathetic and dumb humanity!.

  • Posted By: thunderbolt @ 12/29/2007 11:18:41 PM

    Comment: Focus on the root of all evil: Global Warming! Come on, Gore! Weigh in on this debate and get the priorities straight.

  • Posted By: jncc1701 @ 12/29/2007 9:59:40 PM

    Comment: to Goran A
    The issue of religious fanaticism is different from the Palestinian/Israeli issue or that matter WW II. American foreign policy has been myopic at times (allowing Pakistan to have nuclear wepons because India has it was especially stupid) especially now. Instead of securing Afghanistan and develop it economically our president decided to settle old family scores and invade Iraq - diverting badly needed resources to this war.
    In the interim, Israel continues to build settlements in the occupied territory. Note I have nothing against Israel existing or having security - I do have a problem with double talk and using religious doctrine to decide who lives on what land. this is the other side of the religious fanaticism coin.

    What we should do is get a dictator in power in Iraq, get the hell out - deal with the Taliban/Al Qaeda in Afghanistan and demand serious discussions about establishing the two state solution including either separating Jerusalem or putting it under UN control. If this is refused we in the US needs to disengage politically and divert our tax dollars to domestic issues.
    We are getting dragged into tribal wars that predate the founding of the US - and confusing this with Islamic fundamentalism.

    Islamic (or any religious) fundamentalism has given nothing to its people, and concequently is easily defeated - but we must stop confusing it with Iraq, Palestine, Israel or Nazis if we are to free ourselves from such stupidity.

  • Posted By: Visitor on Earth @ 12/29/2007 9:15:10 PM

    Comment:
    Will anyone explain (without reflexively calling me an Islamophobe) WHY was a country like Pakistan, which has strong fundamental Islamist movements (for quite some time perilously close to the apex of power), ALLOWED by the civilized world to build nuclear weapons ? Do political interests and calculations override the very real danger to the LIVES of millions of people in countries perceived as enemies by the jihadists ?!

    According to the Jerusalem Post (27.12.2007): "Across Pakistan's tribal belt, music stores and barbershops have closed and attacks against men without beards and unaccompanied women have increased. In one area, Islamists have warned women that their marriages will be annulled unless their husbands grow beards."

    Lets call a spade a spade: a SIGNIFICANT part of the Islamic world (though not all of it of course) has been infested by the virus imbecilicus and thus suffers from the spiritual and emotional inflammationn the diagnosis of which is: Imbecilicus Islamitis .


    They are entitled to it! But the problem is that these Jihadists want to substitute the sword of the 7 th century with the nuclear bomb of the 21 st century in their bid to kill as many of us "infidels" as they can (as commanded to do in the Koran, Chapter 9, verse 5) AND at the same time be rewarded by entering their Islamic Paradise ("Jannat" in Arabic) where they believe they are promised "high-bosomed virgins " (The Koran, chapter 78, verse 31), described also as "bashful, dark-eyed virgins, as chaste as the sheltered eggs of ostriches" (The Koran, chapter 37, verses 40-48).


    In WW II the world Nazism was combatted WITHOUT hearing accusations of being of "Germanophobes!" So let us, similarly, face this revolting evil of Islamic funfamentalists (who in, contrast to Nazis, don't even hide their evil deeds but are PROUD of them !) WITHOUT being blasted as "Muslim-haters" or "racists".

    May Almighty God help us all !

    Goran A., Jerusalem, Israel

  • Posted By: Visitor on Earth @ 12/29/2007 9:12:25 PM

    Comment:
    Will anyone explain (without reflexively calling me an Islamophobe) WHY was a country like Pakistan, which has strong fundamental Islamist movements (for quite some time perilously close to the apex of power), ALLOWED by the civilized world to build nuclear weapons ? Do political interests and calculations override the very real danger to the LIVES of millions of people in countries perceived as enemies by the jihadists ?!

    According to the Jerusalem Post (27.12.2007): "Across Pakistan's tribal belt, music stores and barbershops have closed and attacks against men without beards and unaccompanied women have increased. In one area, Islamists have warned women that their marriages will be annulled unless their husbands grow beards."

    Lets call a spade a spade: a SIGNIFICANT part of the Islamic world (though not all of it of course) has been infested by the virus imbecilicus and thus suffers from the spiritual and emotional inflammationn the diagnosis of which is: Imbecilicus Islamitis .


    They are entitled to it! But the problem is that these Jihadists want to substitute the sword of the 7 th century with the nuclear bomb of the 21 st century in their bid to kill as many of us "infidels" as they can (as commanded to do in the Koran, Chapter 9, verse 5) AND at the same time be rewarded by entering their Islamic Paradise ("Jannat" in Arabic) where they believe they are promised "high-bosomed virgins " (The Koran, chapter 78, verse 31), described also as "bashful, dark-eyed virgins, as chaste as the sheltered eggs of ostriches" (The Koran, chapter 37, verses 40-48).


    In WW II the world Nazism was combatted WITHOUT hearing accusations of being of "Germanophobes!" So let us, similarly, face this revolting evil of Islamic funfamentalists (who in, contrast to Nazis, don't even hide their evil deeds but are PROUD of them !) WITHOUT being blasted as "Muslim-haters" or "racists".

    May Almighty God help us all !

  • Posted By: eddiewhere @ 12/29/2007 6:52:18 PM

    Comment: There has not been one instant in history where the KORAN HAS brought peace. It is their culture. Christianity has evolved, just like barbarians eventually became civilized, so did Christianity. Even moderate Muslims are swayed by the JIHAD CHApter. The offspring of these moderateds have already carried out attacks in England and have tried in Canada and AMerica. What is amazing is how they are influenced by the Iraq war. They turn on the T.V and become enraged. Their only hope to strike back is JIHAD. Remember Muslims have been indoctrinating there own for centuries. They have finally perfected it. This chapter allows leaders to indoctrinate their people all around the world. The " Ayattolah" has used this doctrine on Salman Rushdie who is an INDIAN. The only way to deal with a nuclear threat, is in private. We should gurantee all countries FREE AND FAIR ELECTIONS. However if the people choose an extremist government then they must know the consequences. IT IS THESE SAME CONSEQUENCES THAT have DETERed RUSSIA FROM USING THEIR NUCLEAR ARSERNAL AS MUSCLE. WE WILL Annihlate YOU if you threaten with nuclear weapons. That is why the Middle East Government threaten Israel because they know better. The same goes for pakistan, any government that takes power after Free and Fair Elections, will be delivered the same message, In addition, they will assist us in the HUNT FOR BIN LADEN. Keeping Bin LADEN alive seems to be making a lot of people rich. We need to get Bin Laden and get the hell out of pacistan, let nations determine their own future. Nations cannot do that without a strong constitution that is followed like the KORAN.

  • Posted By: eddiewhere @ 12/29/2007 6:50:46 PM

    Comment: There has not been one instant in history where the KORAN HAS brought peace. It is their culture. Christianity has evolve, just like barbians eventually became civilized, so did Christianity. Even moderate Muslims are swayed by the JIHAD CHApter. The offspring of these moderateds have already carried out attacks in England and have tried in Canada and AMerica. What is amazing is how they are influenced by the Iraq war. They turn on the T.V and become enraged. There only hope to strike back is JIHAD. Remember Muslims have been indoctrinating there own for centuries. They have finally perfected it. This chapter allows leaders to indoctrinate their people all around the world. The " Ayattolah" has used this doctrine on Salman Rushdie who is an INDIAN. The only way to deal with a nuclear threat, is in private. We should gurantee all countries FREE AND FAIR ELECTIONS. However if the people choose an extremist government then they must know the consequences. IT IS THESE SAME CONSEQUENCES THAT have DETERed RUSSIA FROM USING THEIR NUCLEAR ARSERNAL AS MUSCLE. WE WILL Annihlate YOU if you threaten with nuclear weapons. That is why the Middle East Government threaten Israel because they know better. The same goes for pakistan, any government that takes power after Free and Fair Elections, will be delivered the same message, In addition, they will assist us in the HUNT FOR BIN LADEN. Keeping Bin LADEN alive seems to be making a lot of people rich. We need to get Bin Laden and get the hell out of pacistan, let nations determine their own future. Nations cannot do that without a strong constitution that is followed like the KORAN.

  • Posted By: eddiewhere @ 12/29/2007 6:50:26 PM

    Comment: There is only one problem with Islam and that is the chapter of JIHAD. They use this chapter because to them it is exciting, it protects them, it helps them control the masses. All other chapters are boring, no one wants to follow those chapters. The difference between Christian extremist and Muslim extremist is that they the value of human life. Suicide is one of the worst acts in Christianity. Islam glorifies suicide, and rewards the family of "Martyrs". This JIHAD chapter unifies MUSLIMS, they are united by war, not peace. There has not been one instant in history where the KORAN HAS brought peace. It is their culture. Christianity has evolved, just like barbarians eventually became civilized, so did Christianity. Even moderate Muslims are swayed by the JIHAD CHApter. The offspring of these moderates have already carried out attacks in England and have tried in Canada and AMerica. What is amazing is that they were born and raised in North America. It is amazing how the youth are influenced by the Iraq war. They turn on the T.V and become enraged. Their only hope to strike back is JIHAD. Remember Muslims have been indoctrinating their own for centuries. They have finally perfected it. This chapter allows leaders to indoctrinate their people all around the world. The " Ayattolah" has used this doctrine on Salman Rushdie who is an INDIAN. The only way to deal with a nuclear threat, is in private. We should gurantee all countries FREE AND FAIR ELECTIONS. However if the people choose an extremist government then they must know the consequences. IT IS THESE SAME CONSEQUENCES THAT have DETERed RUSSIA FROM USING THEIR NUCLEAR ARSERNAL AS MUSCLE. WE WILL Annihlate YOU if you threaten with nuclear weapons. That is why the Middle East Government threaten Israel because they know better. The same goes for pakistan, any government that takes power after Free and Fair Elections, will be delivered the same message, In addition, they will assist us in the HUNT FOR BIN LADEN. Keeping Bin LADEN alive seems to be making a lot of people rich. We need to get Bin LADEN and let these There is only one problem with Islam and that is the chapter of JIHAD. They use this chapter because to them it is exciting, it protects them, it helps them control the masses. All other chapters are boring, no one wants to follow those chapters. The difference between Christian extremist and Muslim extremist is that they do not value human life. Suicide is one of the worst acts in Christianity. Islam glorifies suicide, and rewards the family of "Martyrs". This JIHAD chapter unifies MUSLIMS, they are united by war, not peace.

  • Posted By: eddiewhere @ 12/29/2007 6:49:56 PM

    Comment: : WE NEED TO GET BIN LADEN AND GET THE HELL OUT OF pacistan. Let the U.N do their job. Let's use our force through the U.N. or through an ARAB===ISRAELI COUNCIL, which includes all countries in the region like INDIA, WARIKSTAN, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Kazakhstan. China and India have historically and traditionally had much more in common then uncommon, therefore the grounds for cooperation are naturally existent. We need to build alliances with these nations and let them put the pressure on their neighbors when the misbehave. We well then keep those force in check. It is a lot cheaper or "cost effective", to be smart and build alliances rather than unilaterally attacking these destablization issues, like the death of BHUTTO. The death of Bhutto was a direct result of the JIHAD CHApter. A young man subliminally indoctrinated to destroy his life and twenty one others including BHUTTO, was brainwashed by JIHAD to carry out a political assissination. You cannot seperate Mosque from state in the Muslim world. There should be JIHAD waged against those who misuse this doctrine like the Ayatolah and pacistani military leadership. It is obvious that these leaders knew their reign of power was over and that Bhutto was going to let the "AMERICANS" run the country. It should be no surprise that this assissination happened, in fact the victim even e mailed her own murderers. America needs to stop forcing the issue they should of brought BHUTTO back humbly. SHE SHOULD NOT have been parading. This is war, JIHAD means war. WHEN WILL WE UNDERSTAND THAT THESE people have declared war. BHUTTO is death could have been prevented if people really understood what JIHAD means.

  • Posted By: karaswart @ 12/29/2007 6:42:33 PM

    Comment: Pakistan was created for the wrong reason- as a homeland for a religious group. This resulted in the displacement of millions from their ancestral lands and the death of millions. Frankenstein monsters created from the blood of people do not exist for long. It has survived by being America's, China's or Saudi's *** at various points of time. It is a monstrous creation which now haunts the world.

  • Posted By: rich99 @ 12/29/2007 5:58:21 PM

    Comment: As in "Meltdown"- WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE !

  • Posted By: Miss Swiss @ 12/29/2007 4:47:48 PM

    Comment: why newsweek ass is burning

  • Posted By: mildbrew @ 12/29/2007 4:46:57 PM

    Comment: Glad she was killed, this wh0re was Pakistans biggest enemy and the biggest agent of the USA and India.

  • Posted By: mildbrew @ 12/29/2007 4:44:42 PM

    Comment: Pakistan has a very professional and diciplined military, there is no way from anyone including India America or Israel to even know where the arsenal is, let alone mountain idiots Al Qaeda or Taliban.

    This is just propaganda by Pakistans enemies in India and elsewhere to raise some dust and create mischief.

    • Posted By: thebignag @ 12/31/2007 06:28:39

      Comment: Dear Friend, if you are a Pakisthani, I feel sorry for you. You just are refusing to see the obvious. You are in the process of loosing your country the way you knew it. Seventy percent of your professional army comprises illiterate Tribals from Pakistan-Afghanistan border, with strong clan affinity. The current operations against the militants were against their clansman, where the Army failed miserably to achieve it???s objective as it is already talibanised. It a matter of time, when these people joins their Taliban clansman in the name of Islam and Jihad to create the worst case scenario that the world has ever seen. A bunch of highly trained Army of God armed with nukes, with dreams of HOORS in haven???. And without any regards for human life or international conventions. You my friend and your kinds, educated, moderates will be shot and bombed into submission. THERE IS NO OTHER OPTION BUT TO DEFANG PAKISTAN OF IT???S NUKES AND NUKE DELIVERY SYSTEM TO SECURE THE WORLD. The question in front of the world my friend is protecting a country or two but preserving human and human civilization.

  • Posted By: suresh @ 12/29/2007 3:57:58 PM

    Comment: Unlike Graham Allison, Pakistani Army is not worried about loosing its credibility with Pakistani people. Power of Pakistani Army does not come from popularity contest or credibility gap. It comes from barrel of the gun that has overthrown corrupt democratic governments as Graham Allison must know. Instability after Bhutto???s death is a mere illusion created by western news media and governments as if they somehow have to control whatever happens in Pakistan. Democratic government is no more a solution now than it has ever been in the past, the past that is littered with gyrations between democratic and military rules. Democratic governments are even more prone to pressures from Islamic fundamentalists than military ones as Pakistan has proved over and over again. It was democratic governments of Pakistan that created and nurtured Taliban movement and installed Taliban government in Afghanistan. It was democratic government of Pakistan that facilitated Osama bin Laden???s relocation from Sudan to Afghanistan. One of the first acts of Benazir Bhutto after coming to power in late 1988 was to approve sharing of Pakistan???s nuclear technology with Libya. Nawaz Sharif met Osama bin Laden atleast three times in Saudi Arabia. Nawaz Sharif pleaded with Osama to contribute to his election campaign and Osama contributed 500 million Pakistani Rupees to Sharif???s election campaign in 1990s. Osama congratulated Sharif publicly for exploding first Islamic nuclear bomb during Osama???s visit to Pakistan after Pakistan???s nuclear tests in 1998. Democratic governments used to provide Pakistani Army protection to Osama bin Laden whenever Osama visited Pakistan.

  • Posted By: suresh @ 12/29/2007 3:56:59 PM

    Comment: Unlike Graham Allison, Pakistani Army is not worried about loosing its credibility with Pakistani people. Power of Pakistani Army does not come from popularity contest or credibility gap. It comes from barrel of the gun that has overthrown corrupt democratic governments as Graham Allison must know. Instability after Bhutto???s death is a mere illusion created by western news media and governments as if they somehow have to control whatever happens in Pakistan. Democratic government is no more a solution now than it has ever been in the past, the past that is littered with gyrations between democratic and military rules. Democratic governments are even more prone to pressures from Islamic fundamentalists than military ones as Pakistan has proved over and over again. It was democratic governments of Pakistan that created and nurtured Taliban movement and installed Taliban government in Afghanistan. It was democratic government of Pakistan that facilitated Osama bin Laden???s relocation from Sudan to Afghanistan. One of the first acts of Benazir Bhutto after coming to power in late 1988 was to approve sharing of Pakistan???s nuclear technology with Libya. Nawaz Sharif met Osama bin Laden atleast three times in Saudi Arabia. Nawaz Sharif pleaded with Osama to contribute to his election campaign and Osama contributed 500 million Pakistani Rupees to Sharif???s election campaign in 1990s. Osama congratulated Sharif publicly for exploding first Islamic nuclear bomb during Osama???s visit to Pakistan after Pakistan???s nuclear tests in 1998. Democratic governments used to provide Pakistani Army protection to Osama bin Laden whenever Osama visited Pakistan.

    • Posted By: thebignag @ 12/31/2007 06:30:40

      Comment: Dear Friend, if you are a Pakisthani, I feel sorry for you. You just are refusing to see the obvious. You are in the process of loosing your country the way you knew it. Seventy percent of your professional army comprises illiterate Tribals from Pakistan-Afghanistan border, with strong clan affinity. The current operations against the militants were against their clansman, where the Army failed miserably to achieve it???s objective as it is already talibanised. It a matter of time, when these people joins their Taliban clansman in the name of Islam and Jihad to create the worst case scenario that the world has ever seen. A bunch of highly trained Army of God armed with nukes, with dreams of HOORS in haven???. And without any regards for human life or international conventions. You my friend and your kinds, educated, moderates will be shot and bombed into submission. THERE IS NO OTHER OPTION BUT TO DEFANG PAKISTAN OF IT???S NUKES AND NUKE DELIVERY SYSTEM TO SECURE THE WORLD. The question in front of the world my friend is protecting a country or two but preserving human and human civilization.

  • Posted By: different @ 12/29/2007 1:57:12 PM

    Comment: Corrupt officials and terrorists exist in the whole world not only in Pakistan. Why not make an effort to disarm or minimize the number of nukes in the whole world. US should set an example and others will follow. Russian Scientists are more easily available. India has poverty,corruption and independence movements, Not to talk about Korea. What If the claims are false like Iraq??

    • Posted By: Braes @ 12/29/2007 16:11:31

      Comment: We have, we used to have nearly 12000+ in our stockpile and are down to 2300. We used to keep hundreds of ICBM's on 24/7 alert. Now less than 12. We still have SSBN Ohio class stuff in deep water and Bombers. The Navy has decks full of nuclear capable Aircraft. Our force posture is at once robust and still with drastic reductions, 15 times the next nation in line. Further reductions would be not in our interest. On the contrary we need to rebuild the land component and expand it by at least 500,000 active and 3-4 million Guard and Reserve. We need that for chores, not further force projection, but what we already have on the plate. (BTW I have been in and out of the Defense game since 1978.) As far as nuclear force, we have enough to cover those that can hit us. Pakistan has maybe 120 nukes that are all teensy and primitive and without the 9 safeties that some of ours have. They can not only fall into the wrong hands, they are easier to use. Now if the dictator can not secure one woman in a Military City, tell me he has all 120 or so devices under positive security. Tell me how much trust I have when 200,000+ NATO/US personnel are within striking distance and Russia, China, India and Iran well within striking distance of the Pak stockpile. Pakistan has taken a lot of money from me to get after the Taliban and Al Qaeda and Osama is still sending me tapes. We have issues and you got up on the Nuclear table and that changes how we fight you. I am looking for some immediate changes in Pakistans behavior, the heads I want, and positive control of the stockpile. I want every other nation in the region to have their feeling vetted about you. You have everyone's attention.

  • Posted By: different @ 12/29/2007 1:56:06 PM

    Comment: Corrupt officials and terrorists exist in the whole world not only in Pakistan. Why not make an effort to disarm or minimize the number of nukes in the whole world. US should set an example and others will follow. Russian Scientists are more easily available. India has poverty,corruption and independence movements, Not to talk about Korea. What if the claims are false like Iraq??

  • Posted By: different @ 12/29/2007 1:54:45 PM

    Comment: Corrupt officials and terrorists exist in the whole world not only in Pakistan. Why not make an effort to disarm or minimize the number of nukes in the whole world. US should set an example and others will follow. Russian Scientists are more easily available. India has poverty,corruption and independence movements, Not to talk about Korea. If the claims are false like Iraq situation will be more worse and unstable.

  • Posted By: brianfields @ 12/29/2007 12:36:26 PM

    Comment: The US is not going to do anything about Paki nukes, untill its too late. Bush should have gone after pakistan and saudis, not iraq. But even this mistake will not be fixed anytime soon. The saudis will keep spreading their wahhabi poison to all parts of the muslim world with their petro dollar, and the pakis will keep training and harboring terrorists right under the americans nose. Things could have been done post 9/11, but
    now the america
    ns dont have the will or the credibility to take on such a grand project. The world is in for a rough ride, you might want to clean up your nuclear bunkers.


    • Posted By: pinkpanther87413 @ 12/29/2007 13:06:20

      Comment: YOUR RIGHT ABOUT OUR COMPLIANCE WITH DISARMING. IN FACT OUR IDEA OF DISARM IS TO TAKE A MUTIPLE-WARHEAD AND BREAK DOWN AND USE ONE WARHEAD PER MISSLE, SO YA WE ARE IN VIOLATION OF YET ANOTHER TREATY WE SIGNED, AND PLEDGED OUR ASST WITH AFRICA AND RUSSIAN ENRICHED NUKE COMPONETS, AND HAVE NOT DONE ONE THING-YET-I HOPE! WERE I DISAGREE. WE DO HAVE A HUGE PR PROBLEM, IT IS NOT OUR ABILITY THAT'S IN QUESTION, IT'S COMPLETLY UNAFFORDABLE, AFTER THE COST FOR TAKING THE EASY TARGET, WHO HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH WTC. CREDIBILITY IS ANOTHER HARD SELL FOR US TODAY ALSO, BUT I BELIEVE IT'S THE MONEY, AND THE CONTROL OF THE OIL, WHICH IS OUR BIGGEST BARRIER, AS GREED IS THE FUEL THAT RUNS THE WORLD! AMERICA JUST TRIES TO RULE IT, INSTEAD OF OUR OWN COUNTRY.

      • Posted By: rich99 @ 12/29/2007 14:36:31

        Comment: What a convoluted, paranoid, hanging participle comment.

        The last time any other nation complied with a nuclear treaty was never.

        If you think Iraq was not involved in the Islamofascist conspiracy and WTC, you are completely deluded.

        It is your right to swallow the liberal left propaganda, but it is my privilege to suggest you move to Iceland, where geothermal might keep you warm.

        You only got one thing right- OIL. Now how do you think the liberal- left is going to keep you warm and electrfied without it?

        • Posted By: Braes @ 12/30/2007 10:32:50

          Comment: The energy task force. Since 2002 not a page from the OVP has made it to the national archives.

  • Posted By: pinkpanther87413 @ 12/29/2007 12:25:49 PM

    Comment: GOT NO TIME TO WORRY ABOUT PAKISTAN. IRAN MIGHT HAVE ONE IN 5-10 YEARS, IT'S MORE PRESSING TODAY! AS WE BACKED THE WORST OF TWO EVILS, WE DO NOT HAVE TIME TO WORRY WHAT CONSQUENCES OUR ASST IN BHUTTOS DEATH WILL BEING. IRAN IS ??? GET THE POINT YET?
    STILL FOCUSED ON IRAN?? AS THEY WANTED US TO BE, TO HELP SPREAD THE FEAR! YA FEAR THE MIND AND COUNTRY KILLER!!!

  • Posted By: pinkpanther87413 @ 12/29/2007 12:20:16 PM

    Comment: WHO DID YOU SAY WAS AT FAULT AND DOES ANY BUSH LISTEN???
    Operation Cyclone was the code name for the United States Central Intelligence Agency program to arm Islamic mujahideen during the Soviet war in Afghanistan, 1979 to 1989. The Program relied heavily on using the Pakistani Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) as an intermediary for funds distribution. Along with funding from similar programs from Britain's MI6 and SAS, Saudi Arabia and the People's Republic of China, the ISI armed and trained over 100,000 insurgents between 1978 and 1992. Somewhere between $3???$20 billion in US funds were funneled into the country to train and equip troops with weapons, including Stinger man-portable air-defense systems.
    26 Aug 1988 SA-7On July 3, 1979, U.S. President Carter signed a presidential finding authorizing funding for anticommunist guerrillas in Afghanistan.[1] Following the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan and installation of a more pro-Soviet president, Hafizullah Amin, Carter announced "The Soviet invasion of Afghanistan is the greatest threat to peace since the Second World War".[2] American funding started with 20-30 million dollars per year in 1980 and rose to $630 million a year in 1987.[3]

    The US government has been criticized for allowing Pakistan to channel a disproportionate amount of its funding to controversial Afghan resistance leader Gulbuddin Hekmatyar,[4] who Pakistani officials believed was "their man".[5] Hekmatyar has been criticized for killing other mujahideen and attacking civilian populations, including shelling Kabul with American-supplied weapons, causing 2,000 casualties. Hekmatyar was said to be friendly with Osama bin Laden, founder of al-Qaeda, who was running an operation for assisting "Afghan Arab" volunteers fighting in Afghanistan, called Maktab al-Khadamat (MAK). Alarmed by his behavior Pakistan leader General Zia warned Hekmatyar that "It was Pakistan that made him an Afghan leader and it is Pakistan who can equally destroy him if he continues to misbehave".[6] According to a Newsweek article, in the late 1980s, Pakistani Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto, concerned of the growing strength of the Islamist movement, told President George H. W. Bush, "You are creating a Frankenstein". Author Gilles Kepel reports that American funding of Hekmatyar and his Hezbi Islami party was cut off immediately following the withdrawal of the Soviets.[7]

    The U.S. says all of its funds went to native Afghan rebels and denies that any of its funds were used to supply Osama bin Laden or foreign Arab mujahideen. It is estimated that 35,000 foreign Muslims from 43 Islamic countries participated in the war.
    THE LIE THAT REAGAN FORGOT, AND OLIVER OF FOX NEWS DID NOT,

    • Posted By: Shankardada2 @ 12/29/2007 17:00:41

      Comment: PinkPanther, obviously the United States did what its leaders believed was in its best interest when it supported guerillas in Afghanistan against the Soviets. The law of unintended consequences got the better of us. As in any situation, the enemy of our enemy may someday become OUR enemy. This has happened throughout history to many nations, and that's what happened in this case. You would've been the first one blaming Reagan if he allowed the Soviets to invade Afghanistan unnopposed. Our victory in that conflict bankrupted the Soviets, economically and politically. Hindsight is always 20/20, my friend. It is your bitter partisanship that leads you to heap blame on Reagan. Nothing else.

  • Posted By: truthuntold @ 12/29/2007 11:32:13 AM

    Comment: When will people just admit that no one on this earth has the answers? No one has to be told that things are getting worse! The answer can be found in "the greatest book ever written"!

    • Posted By: Boggy @ 12/29/2007 20:24:15

      Comment: That's True! I looked in the greatest book ever written, and it says the answer is 42! Now we can all relax and get on with gettin' on.

    • Posted By: Boggy @ 12/29/2007 20:22:54

      Comment: That's true! I looked in THGTTG and found that the answer IS in there! It's 42!

      • Posted By: Braes @ 12/30/2007 10:01:20

        Comment: OMG that's funny, do you happen to have a towel and babblefish?

  • Posted By: rich99 @ 12/29/2007 11:29:32 AM

    Comment: It is now imperative that the US target 1000 Pakistani landfills. Any launch of a Pakistani nuclear missle toward any target would result in immediate US retaliation.

    The game is up Musharref. Either get your country civilized or it faces extinction.

    I am sure the rag-headed Taliban understands this kind of force. Al-Qaeda will never get it, but their DNA is history.

    It is time to warn these international outlaws that enough is enough. No more ground troops, just a little Plutonium in your face ought to get your attention- no more talk, no more diplomacy- just one great big stick.

    • Posted By: Braes @ 12/30/2007 10:38:15

      Comment: It's 2300 nice Hydrogen Bombs, or 722,000 various special gravity munitions, etc. I'd suggest we have my 4 Carrier Minimum "High, how are you?" first. I might be retired USAF but the best things we have are the Carriers. They can reach about anything on earth depending on how far out you intend to extend fuel.

    • Posted By: Braes @ 12/30/2007 10:00:23

      Comment: Persistent nerve and Bioweapns in the mountains. Salt the entire area. EMP burst above the PAK to put out the lights completely. Using 4 Carriers take down any strategic objective, offer China all the Kashmir they and India want to settle over. B-2 all of the known Nuclear facilities with 330kt Mirved Shots. Remember to send lots of Iodine to neighboring countries ahead of time. Might need to arrange food for 1.62 Billion people for 3 years. May wipe out Asian Bird Flu as the 600 Rad/hr environment solves birds.
      Logistics, backorder all of that.

  • Posted By: gfellow @ 12/29/2007 11:22:32 AM

    Comment: Islamic insurgency is nothing new to Pakistan. Infact as reportedly all over the media, Taliban was the creation of Pakistan Govenment. As long as Pakistan created terrorists created problems for non western world, Pakistan was a poster child in USA's books, with billions of aid and armaments flowing into that couintry. Since 9-11, USA has woken up to Pakistan's contribution of terrorism. It still is following the same old bankrupt policy of appeasing the military of Pakistan instead of people of Pakistan. I wish USA would have invested all the money it gave to Pakistan in its development rather than giving them F16's and other sophisticated armaments.
    Bhutto's assasination shows how easy it is to kill anybody in Pakistan, even with the so called security. Musharraf's recent claim that the Nukes are safe as long as he is alive, makes mockery of USA's claims that the nukes in Pakistan are safe. What if Musharraf is killed in a similar way as Bhutto.

  • Posted By: Miler1957 @ 12/29/2007 11:10:14 AM

    Comment: Doesn't anyone quite get it? It is all pretty much out of control and is spiraling further and further in the direction of total chaos. We don't have the equipment, the manpower, or the leadership to get us out of this mess. We are mortgaged to the hilt as a nation and our credibility is just about completely shot. I suggest we all prepare ourselves as best we can and get ready for one heck of a ride.

  • Posted By: naseersid @ 12/29/2007 10:06:06 AM

    Comment: bhuto's assasination might prove to be a blessing in disguise for pakistan. with ppp emerging stronger, if its leaders play their cards properly, there is a possibility of a renewed vigour to address the issue of terrorism. if musharraf has to stay, he has to rise above himself and come out as a statesman. inviting all parties without prejudice to contest elections, re-appointment of a caretaker government and election commission acceptable to all parties, is the most likely solution. elections should be postponed for a month to allow all parties to launch their campaigns effectively. us should back pakistan to hilt.

    • Posted By: Braes @ 12/30/2007 10:17:31

      Comment: The polity of that region has been unsettled for 200 years. The last guy either heads for exile or is killed. Musharraf as a hanger-on wouldn't last long. This is a chess board on which kings have played for thousands of years. He is a checked King moving now toward an eventual mate. Unfortunately for him there are 4 other sets coming for him, no one plays solo here. Montgomery held that it was a rule of land warfare to not get one's army stuck on the Asian Landmass. Likewise the position of ex-warlord in a land of warlords. The United States should talk to the Nations in the Region about their operative and political concerns and the build the diplomacy and force to act. The India Pakistan split has been a slow motion civil war like the American but with Modern weapons and armies. Now you have nukes where division weakens you. You have people based in your lands who cause pernicious acts at home and abroad.

  • Posted By: megalodon @ 12/29/2007 8:56:43 AM

    Comment: "bombed back to the stone age", "and billoion dollars a year"?
    1. we gave Musharraf, a option, he obviously has been doing the best he can to skirt, join the fight, or be fought. he has obviously, put his tail between his legs on the issue, either way you look. In return sucked a total of how much money total from our government? This act of terrorisim, it the assisnation of bhutto, should not go un punished in any way. altho the US is not like in Pakistan, the UN, should take charge, if not the US and finish this mess up once and foreall!
    It is clear something should be done, or actions been done much sooner, altho perhaps this?
    We bail out of that country(Pakistan), and let it rip.....let the terrorists take it over, show everyone what is instore for Iraq, if we pull out, leaving it to the terrorists. then the democrats, and the liberals, and whoelse can sit and say, how tragic the situation is there. we coulda done more for the people there, but turned our heads, and closed our wallets because we needed to make a stink, than protect the weak from the exstreme cowards of the middle east, that, feed on torture, of the weak, and the innocent. man, i sure wish the liberalists lived there for a while....set them up in a nice little hut, in a small village where these crimes go unpunished. let them take account 1st hand what these places are like, and see "if" they do make it a year, without being punished to death for being a slight bit diffrent in belief, or custom, as THEY see it, if they change tone.
    2. too bad we cant do just that! i dont agree with every choice Pres. bush has made, but he does what he can, with what he has for information, and action. He is a man of hard choices to make, and givin the details, i do give him credit. personally, i'da told all the liberal "junkies" to hop a ship if they think its so good there, and live there. how many people do you think would go, even b4 we invaded the east? ill tell you....a big fat ZERO! liberals are no lifes, that need to make a stink about anything they can, anti government in OUR country, ignoring everyone but themselves....and liberals.....step off the soapbox u stand on in front of your tv, and listen, read and learn, this world is in trouble....serious major trouble. there are terroists, that want you, me and everyone that doesnt think like them, dead. there is global warming, kids killing people, and so much more! do something that does some good. go live in Pakistan, Iraq, someplace like that and show these people how stong you are. just kidding....u'd all be shot within a week, or beaten, and torchured within a inch of your life before being be-headed....

  • Posted By: usmanbinihsan @ 12/29/2007 4:38:55 AM

    Comment: Excuse Us! Mr. Graham Alison and Newsweek Team, You guys in the west are concerned about Pakistani Nuclear weapons? Just guess the security state of your own Nuclear weapons in US! They fly over Half of the united states with them being loaded on B-52 like ordinary bomb loads and the nukes remian unnoticed for so called trained nuclear personels of US airforce and nobody cares about them but the secured weapons of Pakistan become such a big threat to world peace that you people just can't stop terrorizing the people about their harmful nature. Kindly just get you direction and attitude staight about Pakistan.

    • Posted By: Braes @ 12/29/2007 05:19:48

      Comment: Yes, apparently North Dakota was upset with the south and flew 6 nukes here. They could not be armed, shot or used. They stayed on base and lots were sacked. None of the people inside the United States are looking to snatch one and use it.
      Pakistan? you have a 2500km capability. there are 200,000 US/NATO forces in that range and a lot of Russians, Chinese and Indians. You have Taliban and Al Qaeda all over you. Probably a differing situation than what surrounds our stockpiles.
      Trust me, the Pakistani stockpile has my undivided attention. Bush dragged us off the real problem and sent us to Iraq for Cheney and oil. Musharraf let Bhutto get killed, and she was admittedly advancing the United States agenda. We take that kind of thing poorly. She was there to change the policies away from the military rule and poverty that make Taliban and Al Qaeda thrive.
      Nice spin try there. Give up Bin Laden. Give up Ayman Al What's his face. Being in the nuclear club means we wont attack you with ground troops, and we wont fight any proxy war with you. You will get our A-Game. Iraq was a disaster that prevented us from coming to get your bad actors.
      I guess you are ISI or just on the payroll of Musharraf. I have my mind real right about Pakistan. I do not trust you. I figure your history of murdering or deporting every leader since independence from India should say something about your rule of law. You are a batch of mad butchering fiends with nukes. You support my enemies, while taking my aid to remove them.
      You need to start digging deep basements and getting Iodine tablets brother. Remember, when building a nuclear shelter to take a few months food and water down there.

      • Posted By: nova_767 @ 12/30/2007 06:02:29

        Comment: You are right about something, but do show a lot of ignorance about others. Let me clearify a few for you. Bhutto had two opportunities to get everything done, but all she managed to do, is empty the treasury for her private use. Yes Pakistan has taken care so called leaders in the past, but rightfully so. Nature does a balancing act in every case. If a leader betrays the publc confidence, steals or kills in order to extend the office tenure, chances are public will take action since the elctions cannot be trusted while the guilty party still in power.
        I wouldn't worry about Pakistan that much. If you are a US citizen, departure of millions of jobs, running up the natl debt to 9 trillion, babyboomers soon sucking up whatever left in the treasury, should be your primary concerns. I really like to know, if you loose your job like so many million, get your house foreclosed on, would be still give a **** about others.

        • Posted By: Braes @ 12/30/2007 09:51:40

          Comment: Nice off topic trail-away... Bhutto was OUR puppet. That's so we would have a Government we could operate more directly. Sharif is Saudi Arabia's puppet. The military is still mostly Mushararafs puppet and what really matters most.
          I am not missing a thing. Our nation debt as a total function of the rate and sum of our currency in daily world markets and it's recognition in 182 countries as an element of state wealth makes your other point drivel. 9 trillion of several dozen trillion of economic activity annually? A fractional expansion of our currency to create markets.
          Bhutto's Husband was Mr. 10% no? They raped Pakistan for a bunch of money right? Well, with 1=$10 Billion of it snatched by the puppet monkey Musharraf, I like the America Owns it Bhutto option. I'll tax their 10%. If I get 90% of what I want to do in building and infastructure into those areas and past a military, then the Pakistani people can have their middle class back. We had a plan that got shot and killed.
          I can cover my nice mortgage brother. Thanks for the misplaced concern.

  • Posted By: usmanbinihsan @ 12/29/2007 4:36:26 AM

    Comment: Excuse Us! Mr. Graham Alison and Newsweek Team, You guys in the west are concerned about Pakistani Nuclear weapons? Just guess the security state of your own Nuclear weapons in US! They fly over Half of the united states with them being loaded on B-52 like ordinary bomb loads and the nukes remian unnoticed for so called trained nuclear personels of US airforce and nobody cares about them but the secured weapons of Pakistan become such a big threat to world peace that you people just can't stop terrorizing the people about their harmful nature. Kindly just get you direction and attitude staight about Pakistan.