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Exclusive: Benazir Bhutto's will names her 19-year-old son as her successor.

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  • Posted By: alimem @ 01/03/2008 6:28:27 AM

    This is a matter of loyalty and not rationalism. The democracy in Pakistan needs another 50 years to capture its real shape and it would not be wrong to say that even if a dictator with a positive and broad vision can run the affairs of the country, it is hundred times better than the so called political leaders or democracy. Due to illiteracy and impoverishment, the mass is neither able to choose leaders on merit nor the leaders are of any noteworthy caliber to drive the democracy on merits.

    alimember, Pakistan

  • Posted By: eddiewhere @ 01/02/2008 2:53:20 AM

    nawa, excellent observation.

  • Posted By: nawawimohamad @ 01/02/2008 2:45:24 AM

    The PPP members and supporters are not politcally minded and the party is family based more like monarchy. They are just fanatic fans. Overall in Pakistan, they neither have stars no icons - they don't have Britney Spears, Paris Hilton or Tom Cruise, the politicians are their idols. So no matter what their idols do or who they are, the fans will blindly give their support without any second thought but with fanatism.

    For that matter if the PPP decided to name an urang-utan reared in the Bhutto compound as their leader to succeed Benazir it would be accepted.

  • Posted By: tor777 @ 01/01/2008 10:47:19 PM

    From father to daughter to son, is this democracy or a dynasty or just a plain joke?

  • Posted By: alatif @ 01/01/2008 6:41:59 PM

    The Bhutto family believes in nothing but power-grab. The slogan of democracy is only to deceive the fools.
    And, now this so called "WILL". I daresay this was written by her Ten-Percent husband Zardari; in the Peoples Party, there's nobody to challenge Zardari and he knows it. All he wants is to grab power so he can go back to looting this country.

  • Posted By: cheif @ 01/01/2008 11:53:07 AM

    I do find it sad in the way that she died. But i find it astonishing how the pakistan media are portraying her as a Marter who died for her country. Have they forgotten that this is the same women who was in power twice. and all that she did along with her husband and family both times was looting from the country with both hand's and instead of standing trial she ran from the so called country that she loved and would die for, and thencalled it self exile. Then said her husband made her do it. How the pakistanis allowed her to run there country the second time when she could not even control her own husband astonishes me. Also how can they forget she was away from pakistan for 8 years living a life of luxery with there money. Why they allowed her back i do not understand. Have they forgoten she had only been back for 2 months in pakistan how does two months warrent the statment that she had been sturgling for a better future for pakistan.. How does the women who robbed pakistan. Warrent a statment that she was an icon, was pakistan's last hope for a better future.

  • Posted By: eddiewhere @ 01/01/2008 4:15:40 AM

    THE MADNESS CONTINUES, family dynasty not democracy, CorruPtion not transParency. What a mistake. Let the boy grow uP, and earn his right to be leader.JUST LIKE BUSH.
    MUSLIMS THAT ARE MODERATES AND peaceful are susceptible to the indoctrination of the JIHAD chapter. At any time a young MUSLIM can change and carry out an attack in the name of GOD. THIS IS WHY THE CHApter of JIHAD is so dangerous. WE have kids in this country who have grown up in this country, falling under the spell. Suicide bombers are even doctors and lawyers who are citizens in western countries. The crusades happened centuries ago. Your religion has not evolved it is still in the MEDIEVAL AGES and this is a big problem. This is why BHUTTO was so visciously assassinated. IT WAS A TERRORIST WEARING BLACK GLASSES THAT CARRIED OUT THE ASSISSINATION' WOW WHAT A MESSAGE, BHUTTO USED TO WEAR AMERICAN BLACK GLASSES. THERE are MILLIONS OF pakistanis that have rejected western culture and they have sent their message. IT HAS BEEN HEARD WITH A BANG AROUND THE WORLD

  • Posted By: eddiewhere @ 01/01/2008 3:45:23 AM

    Is this democracy or a family dynasty. Either you have democracy or you do not. Handing leadership to family members is the source of corruption. What a chocie, corruption and an American runned government or the Military. We need to let people choose their destiny if not we will be stuck where we do not belong. I as an American am distrurbed that we are medaling all around the world, while people on this side are starving, homeless, without health care ectt.... THis is crazy, just because Bhutto dies we would choose a nut like Guilliani.
    Even moderate Muslims are swayed by the JIHAD CHApter. The offspring of these moderates have already carried out attacks in England and have tried in Canada and AMerica.Wow. Homegrown Citizens. What is amazing is how they are influenced by the Iraq war. They turn on the T.V and become enraged. It is like they have smelled "BAD BARBECUE". Their only hope to strike back is JIHAD. Remember Muslims have been indoctrinating their own for centuries. They have finally perfected it. This chapter allows leaders to indoctrinate their people all around the world. The " Ayattolah" has used this doctrine on Salman Rushdie who is an INDIAN. The only way to deal with a nuclear threat, is in private. We should gurantee all countries FREE AND FAIR ELECTIONS. However if the people choose an extremist government that wants to use weapons of mass destruction then they must understand the consequences. IT IS THESE SAME CONSEQUENCES THAT have DETERed RUSSIA FROM USING THEIR NUCLEAR ARSERNAL AS MUSCLE. WE WILL Annihlate YOU if you threaten with nuclear weapons. That is why the Middle East Governments threaten Israel because they know better. The same goes for pakistan, any government that takes power after Free and Fair Elections, will be delivered the same message, In addition, they will assist us in the HUNT FOR BIN LADEN. Keeping Bin LADEN alive seems to be making a lot of people rich.

  • Posted By: HTorabi@gmail.com @ 12/31/2007 2:13:12 PM

    Don???t be na??ve ASH1KHAN. Based on recent photos, Mrs. Bhutto was shot by a gunman (an assassin more likely was hired by Pakistani???s government) not by a suicide bomber. The reason that Pakistani???s government rushed to come up with fabricated lies from Friday's news conference to providing transcript of so called communication between terrorist groups, was to wash their hand as they washed the crime scene by high pressured water!!! I think there is no connection between the suicide bomber and the hired assassin. The government just want to take advantage of the situation by blaming it to suicide bomber, otherwise they will allow international inquiries to find truly who hired the assassin. In a corrupted middle east society like Pakistan, in which you can easily buy any government officials it is extremely hard to lead or to be a leader. That is why I believe Mrs. Bhutto had done whatever she could have done. Are you better off under Musharraf? Don???t you wish people to have a true elected official to run the country?

  • Posted By: ASH1KHAN @ 12/30/2007 2:01:14 PM

    It is sad that I sympathized with the Benazir's famliky after she was murdered (or maybe she accidently killed herself) but after learning that she had named her 20 year old son to lead the party it has clearly become evident that the Late Benazir had no sympathy for the public but rather wanted to preserve her family's status. There are others within her party that are much more derserving and experienced politicians that should have taken her place but no, Benazir wanted to preserve the dynasty. What a shame. May the All Mighty guide the misguided and protect the innocent all over the world.

    • Posted By: HTorabi@gmail.com @ 12/31/2007 2:12:44 PM

      Don???t be na??ve ASH1KHAN. Based on recent photos, Mrs. Bhutto was shot by a gunman (an assassin more likely was hired by Pakistani???s government) not by a suicide bomber. The reason that Pakistani???s government rushed to come up with fabricated lies from Friday's news conference to providing transcript of so called communication between terrorist groups, was to wash their hand as they washed the crime scene by high pressured water!!! I think there is no connection between the suicide bomber and the hired assassin. The government just want to take advantage of the situation by blaming it to suicide bomber, otherwise they will allow international inquiries to find truly who hired the assassin. In a corrupted middle east society like Pakistan, in which you can easily buy any government officials it is extremely hard to lead or to be a leader. That is why I believe Mrs. Bhutto had done whatever she could have done. Are you better off under Musharraf? Don???t you wish people to have a true elected official to run the country?

    • Posted By: inertiacell @ 12/30/2007 2:56:50 PM

      Someone like Bhutto does not live her entire life and then die for a cause just to throw it away. Perhaps you are too quick to judge, and should give Bhutto's wishes a chance. Perhaps there are reasons beyond our knowledge or understanding and indeed a method to the madness. Until proven otherwise, I will believe Bhutto loved her people.

      • Posted By: ASH1KHAN @ 12/30/2007 3:32:23 PM

        Possibly but lets take a closer look at her life. She was no lady liberty nor was she a Aung San Suu Kyi of Myanmar. Had she been, she would not have been living the life of luxury in Dubai and London. Also, let's not forget about her Mr.10% husband.

  • Posted By: sharpprogrammer @ 12/31/2007 8:18:24 AM

    Benazir is being eulogised in the foreign and local media as the champion of democracy despite the fact that she failed miserably two times when she became the Prime Minister of the Country. Her governments were dismissed on the charges of gross corruption and extra judicial killings of political opponents. The champion of democracy has bequeathed the party leadership to his huband who was dubbed by the Pakistani press as Mr. 10 per cent when Benazir was in power. He was known to get 10 per cent in every government cotract and large business deals. It was unfortunate that he has become the co-chairman of the party. Has Benazir being a democrat her successor whould have been chosen democratically. There were other qualified and deserving people in the party such as Makhdoom Amin Fahim and Aitezaz Ahsan.

    Nasir Jamal

  • Posted By: sharpprogrammer @ 12/31/2007 8:14:24 AM

    Benazir is being eulogised in the foreign and local media as the champion of democracy despite the fact that she failed miserably two times when she became the Prime Minister of the Country. Her governments were dismissed on the charges of gross corruption and extra judicial killings of political opponents. The champion of democracy has bequeathed the party leadership to his huband who was dubbed by the Pakistani press as Mr. 10 per cent when Benazir was in power. He was known to get 10 per cent in every government cotract and large business deals. It was unfortunate that he has become the co-chairman of the party. Has Benazir being a democrat her successor whould have been chosen democratically. There were other qualified and deserving people in the party such as Makhdoom Amin Fahim and Aitezaz Ahsan.

    Nasir Jamal

  • Posted By: eddiewhere @ 12/30/2007 7:41:36 PM

    MUSLIMS THAT ARE MODERATES AND peaceful are susceptible to the indoctrination of the JIHAD chapter. At any time a young MUSLIM can change and carry out an attack in the name of GOD. THIS IS WHY THE CHApter of JIHAD is so dangerous. WE have kids in this country who have grown up in this country, falling under the spell. Suicide bombers are even doctors and lawyers who are citizens in western countries. The crusades happened centuries ago. Your religion has not evolved it is still in the MEDIEVAL AGES and this is a big problem. This is why BHUTTO was so visciously assassinated. IT WAS A TERRORIST WEARING BLACK GLASSES THAT CARRIED OUT THE ASSISSINATION' WOW WHAT A MESSAGE, BHUTTO USED TO WEAR AMERICAN BLACK GLASSES. THERE are MILLIONS OF pakistanis that have rejected western culture and they have sent their message. IT HAS BEEN HEARD WITH A BANG AROUND THE WORLD

    Comment: Is this democracy or a family dynasty. Either you have democracy or you do not. Handing leadership to family members is the source of corruption. What a chocie, corruption and an American runned government or the Military. We need to let people choose their destiny if not we will be stuck where we do not belong. I as an American am distrurbed that we are medaling all around the world, while people on this side are starving, homeless, without health care ectt.... THis is crazy, just because Bhutto dies we would choose a nut like Guilliani.
    Even moderate Muslims are swayed by the JIHAD CHApter. The offspring of these moderates have already carried out attacks in England and have tried in Canada and AMerica.Wow. Homegrown Citizens. What is amazing is how they are influenced by the Iraq war. They turn on the T.V and become enraged. It is like they have smelled "BAD BARBECUE". Their only hope to strike back is JIHAD. Remember Muslims have been indoctrinating their own for centuries. They have finally perfected it. This chapter allows leaders to indoctrinate their people all around the world. The " Ayattolah" has used this doctrine on Salman Rushdie who is an INDIAN. The only way to deal with a nuclear threat, is in private. We should gurantee all countries FREE AND FAIR ELECTIONS. However if the people choose an extremist government that wants to use weapons of mass destruction then they must understand the consequences. IT IS THESE SAME CONSEQUENCES THAT have DETERed RUSSIA FROM USING THEIR NUCLEAR ARSERNAL AS MUSCLE. WE WILL Annihlate YOU if you threaten with nuclear weapons. That is why the Middle East Governments threaten Israel because they know better. The same goes for pakistan, any government that takes power after Free and Fair Elections, will be delivered the same message, In addition, they will assist us in the HUNT FOR BIN LADEN. Keeping Bin LADEN alive seems to be making a lot of people rich.

  • Posted By: Candysland27 @ 12/30/2007 3:32:57 AM

    Cnawaz its so sad to hera what you say. Yes there were militry who did some horrific things and are being punished accordingly, but as a woman how can you support a religion that steals identity, dignity, pride from all women? What if your husband demanded that you don the Burqua? What about honor? Would you willingly allow you daughter to be sold off as some virgin wife? or what if she "SHAMES" your family? would you allow her to be put to death by means not even worthy of animals. I would rather have no belief than to support one that justifies all forms of horror towards women or female children. Why did you know that female births aren't even recorded or aborted when found out. Or how about the infanticide rate for females in the middle east. your rwligion may preach love and peace for your fellow man but it forgot the women. Youre right they don't hate other countries, they hate each other and are jealous of other countries. See I can say that w/o the threat violent retaliation you see. Also you make it seem as though we just woke up one day and said " I think I'll go F$%% with Iraq, like the taliban never went and OH I don't know blew up two significant buildings for ABSOLUTLY NO REASON!!!! how about the children then, did their deaths hold no sway? I may speak of peace in the parts of the Koran that you read, but you forgot to read the parts where the teachings specifically for men oh and if you do move to PAKISTAN (see I can spell) the first thing you should buy are steel body suits for your kids to wear at all times cause it won't be as safe as you think. And while you're over there try to remeber all the freedoms you are losing out on. I'm sure the Burqua will be pressed and waiting for you and your daughters.


    • Posted By: pinkpanther87413 @ 12/30/2007 10:09:18 AM

      BLEW UP TWO BUILDINGS [ FOR NO REASON ]B.S. YOU NEED A SEVER HISTORY LESSON IN POLITICS!! THINK HOW WOULD YOU FEEL IF CHINA TOLD US RULES AND REGULATIONS WE [ HAVE TO LIVE BY ] AND THEY DON'T, HOW WOULD YOU FEEL IF THIS KIND OF GARBAGE HAS BEEN GOING ON IN YOUR COUNTRY FOR MANY MANY YEARS, INTERFERENCE, AND THREATS OF VIOLENCE IF YOU DON'T DO AS THEY SAY, HOW WOULD YOU FEEL??? I AM MARINE!! I KNOW I WOULD FEEL PISSED OFF AND READY TO KILL THE ONE MAKING RULES I HAVE TO LIVE BY AND THEY DON'T CAUSE THEY DON'T LIVE HERE!!! ARE YOU SUCH A WOOSIE TO COMPLY!!!

      • Posted By: Candysland27 @ 12/30/2007 12:41:32 PM

        let me tell you something mister. My father was a marine for 20 years okay!! He was in Vietnam and lost many freinds. It dosn't matter if you tell a person something it is up to that person to listen. Regardless of what a person or people tell you, there is no justification to killing thousands of people who have nothing to do with this. And for your info I am not a religious person. I don't believe in anything that tells us what to do or how to live. I follow the laws but I live my life they way I want to. And I don't think that telling me what to do is going to make me say Oh hey I think I'll go blow up myself and everyone. the middle east can make their own decisions no matter what other countries say, but they must take responsibility for the decisions they make. Oh by the way its spelled WUSSIE

        • Posted By: pinkpanther87413 @ 12/30/2007 3:46:55 PM

          TELL YOUR FATHER THANK YOU FOR HIS SERVICE AND THE SERVICE OF HIS FRIENDS LOST

    • Posted By: pinkpanther87413 @ 12/30/2007 10:13:49 AM

      YOUR RELIGION DID NOT GIVE WOMAN ANY RIGHTS BUT TO SERVE THERE MAN NO RIGHTS IN CHRISTAINITY FOR WOMEN NONE!!! MAN GAVE YOU RIGHTS OR ARE YOU SO OBLIVIOUS TO HISTORY TO BE THIS STUPID??? THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO LIVE THE WAY THEY SEE FIT NOT THE WAY WE SEE FIT FOR THEM!!!

      • Posted By: Candysland27 @ 12/30/2007 12:51:23 PM

        first of all history books are distorted just as are religious texts if you went to high school youd know. You ask me how would i feel if china told me how to live? Well how is that any different from a bible beater husband domineering me into a life HE sees fit for ME? both are just different forms of oppression and once again I would like to say I believe in NO RELIGION personally i dont need some crazed zealot telling me that everything i do will end in hellfire and brimstone

        • Posted By: pinkpanther87413 @ 12/30/2007 1:15:59 PM

          I DON'T LIKE ANY ONE TELLING YOU HOW TO LIVE, ALL ARE EQUAL. I QUOTE WHAT WAS, NOT HOW IT SHOULD BE. I DO NOT WISH TO CONTROL ANY ONE, AND DEATH IS NOT THE ANSWER TO NON- COMPLIANCE EITHER. I HAVE NO RELIGION BECAUSE OF THE WAY IT WAS WRITTEN AND RE-WRITTEN AND RE-RE-WRITTEN. SO I BELIEVE IN ME, I HAVE FAITH IN MYSELF TO KNOW BETTER THAN TO TRY TO TELL ANY ONE TO DO ANY THING! THATS WHY RELIGION AND POLITICS ARE SEPERATE, OR THEY USED TO BE, IS MY POINT! NOT TO CONTROL

  • Posted By: Razor @ 12/29/2007 11:42:39 PM

    of couse it matters who killed bhutto !! it was the bloody government themselves !!! everyone knew she was going to get attacked ! but the government (musharraf) didnt give her enough security and know they're trying to cover it up by saying she hit her own head in the car and didnt get shot which is ridiculous. putting her son is a very bad move, they'll attack him too !! because this PPP party has now gone stronger after bhutto's death !! and if her son takes over he will surely get the votes. As for JIHAD, this will never stop, muslims have the strongest heart of all people. muslims will never give up to the US and its party. and the muslims only weapon is JIHAD...and what a weapon that is !!! as long as the muslims live, they will not rest !!

    • Posted By: pinkpanther87413 @ 12/30/2007 9:59:52 AM

      YOU FORGOT THE WORD [ OUR ] WHEN YOUR STATED THE BLODDY GOV DID IT. ITS OUR BLOODY GOV WHO HELPED!

      • Posted By: blueskykt @ 12/30/2007 11:21:30 AM

        Please stop with the CAPS and !!!!!!!!s. These make it very difficult to read your post.
        Also, loooong stretches of print without paragraphs with little white space discourage the reader. I tend to skip these. Thank you to those who proofread, correct spelling, and use proper punctuation.

        • Posted By: pinkpanther87413 @ 12/30/2007 2:48:30 PM

          SKIP WHAT YOU WISH. I APOLIGIZED FOR CAPS, AND STATED THE VA DOES NOT DO EYES! SORRY FOR THE CAPS!

  • Posted By: eddiewhere @ 12/30/2007 3:18:57 AM

    There has not been one instant in history where the KORAN HAS brought peace. It is their culture. Christianity has evolved, just like barbarians, eventually Christianity became a civilized religion. It has evolved JIHAD HAS NOT. The Crusades happened during the Medieval Age, That one chapter has prevented ISLAM from evolving into a modern religion. No other religion has carried out world wide attacks in the name of GOD. BE HONEST.

    Comment: Is this democracy or a family dynasty. Either you have democracy or you do not. Handing leadership to family members is the source of corruption. What a chocie, corruption and an American runned government or the Military. We need to let people choose their destiny if not we will be stuck where we do not belong. I as an American am distrurbed that we are medaling all around the world, while people on this side are starving, homeless, without health care ectt.... THis is crazy, just because Bhutto dies we would choose a nut like Guilliani.
    Even moderate Muslims are swayed by the JIHAD CHApter. The offspring of these moderates have already carried out attacks in England and have tried in Canada and AMerica.Wow. Homegrown Citizens. What is amazing is how they are influenced by the Iraq war. They turn on the T.V and become enraged. It is like they have smelled "BAD BARBECUE". Their only hope to strike back is JIHAD. Remember Muslims have been indoctrinating their own for centuries. They have finally perfected it. This chapter allows leaders to indoctrinate their people all around the world. The " Ayattolah" has used this doctrine on Salman Rushdie who is an INDIAN. The only way to deal with a nuclear threat, is in private. We should gurantee all countries FREE AND FAIR ELECTIONS. However if the people choose an extremist government that wants to use weapons of mass destruction then they must understand the consequences. IT IS THESE SAME CONSEQUENCES THAT have DETERed RUSSIA FROM USING THEIR NUCLEAR ARSERNAL AS MUSCLE. WE WILL Annihlate YOU if you threaten with nuclear weapons. That is why the Middle East Governments threaten Israel because they know better. The same goes for pakistan, any government that takes power after Free and Fair Elections, will be delivered the same message, In addition, they will assist us in the HUNT FOR BIN LADEN. Keeping Bin LADEN alive seems to be making a lot of people rich. We need to get Bin Laden and get the hell out of pacistan, let nations determine their own future. Nations cannot do that without a strong constitution that is followed like the KORAN.

    • Posted By: pinkpanther87413 @ 12/30/2007 9:45:18 AM

      I GUESS THE GRAND IQUSITION ESCAPED YOU TO AND JIMMYJONES WALTER KARESH THE VA TECH KILLER ANDREYA YATES ECT ECT ECT WORLDWIDE,BACK THEN AND TODAY! DO ACCULY BELIEVE TONY BLAIR HAS NOT STATED YET THAT HE DID WHAT KING RICHARD WANTED TO DO AND BRING GOD TO THOSE GODLESS HEATHENS IN BAGDAD??? ALL RELIGIONS TODAY HAVE JIHAD, T MEANS RELIGIOUS SOLIDIER!! HUCKABEE IS ONE ROMNEY IS ONE JIMMY WAS ONE ECT ECT ALL RECENT TO US AS WE ARE 250 YEARS OLD NOT 3000+ YEARS OLD AS A COUNTRY TO IMPOSS OUR WAY OF LIFE IS LIKE THE COMMIES TRYING TO SPREAD THERES!!

      • Posted By: Candysland27 @ 12/30/2007 12:46:38 PM

        Enter Your Commenbut i suppose the people who inhabited the americas b4 it was discovered were godless heathens too, but then we wouldn't know your religion almost wiped them out too

        • Posted By: pinkpanther87413 @ 12/30/2007 1:28:18 PM

          NOT MY RELIGION. I DON'T TOUT OR BELIEVE. I QUOTE AND INFORM. I DON'T TRUST IT AND I DON'T AGREE WITH IT, OR MAYBE ITS OGANIZED RELIGION I HAVE THE PROBLEM WITH. EITHER WAY IM NOT A BIBLE TOUTING PRIKK! IM NOT IN FAVOR OF WOMAN WHO TOUT WHAT IS, AND NOT THE WAY IT WAS WRITTEN, JUST TO MAKE THERE POINT EITHER. THAT WOULD BE LIKE SAYING THE K K K IS NOT A TERRORIST GROUP, AS THEY ARE!

          • Posted By: Candysland27 @ 12/30/2007 2:05:20 PM

            people can write down whatever they want, you say you aren't in favor of the bibles ideals for the treatment of women but then again you say that you are in favor of what was written, so which is it are you or aren'tyou either you believe oryou don't. I just put it out there i don't hide behind written words in a book. the bible was created ages ago, this is now and this is what is, now, today not hundreds of years ago

            • Posted By: pinkpanther87413 @ 12/30/2007 2:38:24 PM

              YOUR RIGHT I DO SAY "NOT MY RELIGION" MY BAG I SHOULD START TO SAY, "NOT MY STYLE", RIGHT, THANKS AGAIN

            • Posted By: pinkpanther87413 @ 12/30/2007 2:36:31 PM

              I NEVER SAID," I FAVOR WHAT WAS WRITTEN" IF I DID IT WAS IN A REFERENCE STATEMENT-STATEMENT FROM ME," I AM NOT RELIGIOUS" BUT LESSONS OF PEACE COME FROM A PLETHERA OF PLACES, LIFE, MOVIES, BOOKS, NOT MEDIA LOL, BUT I HOPE YOU UNDERSTAND. I AM NOT RELIGIOUS

          • Posted By: Candysland27 @ 12/30/2007 1:46:48 PM

            but just because they don't believe what you do doesn't make them godless heathens

            • Posted By: pinkpanther87413 @ 12/30/2007 2:00:01 PM

              QUOTE FROM KING RICHARD THE LIONHEART "WE NEED TO GO TO BAGDAD TO BRING GOD TO THE GODLESS HEATHENS" NOT MY VIEWS!!!! NOT MY STATEMENT!!!! ITS A QUOTE FROM THE BEGINING OF THE CRUSADES!!! GET THE POINT, ITS HISTORY NOT MY RELIGION!!!

    • Posted By: Braes @ 12/30/2007 9:40:38 AM

      1. Crusades, Pope Urban, 1095. About 7 or so to follow. One sacked the allied capitol. One made Jerusalems streets run red with blood. Moral low ground of universal Christianity. Eventually drove development of most abuses protested against by Luther in 1512 to fund war and empire, which was the province of popes. Anyone can be King, it takes a pope to create an Empire.
      2. Bin Laden is in the Pashtun. There is a sandwich, Free Afghanistan, Military Rule Pakistan, and the Pashtun tribal areas. Like the Kurd, there is a bunch of people with no state. Common flaw in English Map making and geography, they generally being the first white folk with enough Navy to go stick flags places. Unless we want to try and really mess up all of the Pashtun, we aren't getting Bin Laden. The ready means of doing that with the military option invites millenial emnity. See Pope Urban Above.
      3. Some Eastern and Hebrew calendars are 3-4 millenia ahead of our numbers. We're at 2007 chasing 8. Islam is in the year 1428ish. America is in year 220ish. We are not a settled nor static culture. Imagine a hierarchy of social development. The Chinese have a settled culture of some 6000 years. There is a great deal of weight when cultural and social cohesion have been etched for a few thousand years. In Kenya where Jomo Kenyatta began building Statehood from colonialism nearly 50 years ago, we have electoral violence. The same in Pakistan. There are frozen conflicts left over from the cold war, New ones restarting that chill, and a Caliphate in between two countries near Russia and China who I need to accomplish anything in South Asia. (And for that matter the U.N.)
      4.We have 2300 ready to go gophers if we have to toss our A+ Game. If Condi is listening, in-between recitals perhaps she could pass messages to all embassies on proper security and MOPP level. The only way to be sure Osama is killed is to use area destruction/denial munitions over an area the size of the total Yugoslavia, before break-up. This will create a civil war we do not have the land component to contain.
      5. The killing of one Sayyid Qutb by hanging in Egypt around 1960 brewed modren anti-westernism and the martyrdom jihad of today. He went to the west and was appaled at consumerism, heresy, blasphemy, alcohol, greed and the socially available vices of rock and roll and uncovered women. Remember, Bikini was more than just a test site. He wanted to prevent a pious Islam from falling into these vices. Using death to bring about political change creates counter-revolutions, call it yin-yang/Karma/goes around comes around...

  • Posted By: icyber @ 12/30/2007 7:59:12 AM

    I am surprised at the reaction from the west, especially US. Every one is talking about a 'nuclear nation' that has suffered the tragic loss of Banazir's death.

    I say, can't you people view a tragic situation humanely?

    Lastly, I must say in response to some of the comments here that it isn't wise to comment on any religion lightly. Extremists and Militants are present in every religion and in every country of the world.

    • Posted By: pinkpanther87413 @ 12/30/2007 9:18:26 AM

      I'm not sure when you started to read our comments about the death, as it was not a nuclear section. its was the comments and many many were expressing sorrow for the death, and what a great loss it was, or is, to everything that should have had a decent ending, for the country. as for me i am sorry for the family, and the country, she was hope, and she is dead, and its up to the people to keep that hope alive! some how! deal?

      • Posted By: Candysland27 @ 12/30/2007 12:55:59 PM

        what do you care i mean she must have been killed for not listening to her husband right? i mean she was more politically influential than he was. and damn i mean how dare she die w/o his consent right mister bible touting woman controller?

        • Posted By: pinkpanther87413 @ 12/30/2007 1:09:16 PM

          DEATH DOES NOT DISCRIMINATE NOR DO I! MY BIBLICAL REACTIONS ARE CORRECT AS IT GIVES WOMEN VERY LITTLE RIGHTS [I HAPPEN TO DISAGREE WITH IT] AND I AM VERY GLAD WE AS A COUNTRY KNEW THIS AND CORRECTED THE PROBLEM [SOME STILL HAVE THIS PROBLEM,NOT I] BUT ALL RELIGIONS HAS THERE 10% WHO MAKE THEM ALL LOOK BAD AND THAT'S JUST LIFE BUT LIKE YOU I CHOSE NOT TO BELIEVE IN WHAT THEY DO IAM NOT GOP I AM NOT DEM I AM AMERICAN WHO WANTS AMERICA TO TAKE CARE OF ITS SELF FOR AWHILE.

          • Posted By: Candysland27 @ 12/30/2007 1:19:57 PM

            then what is all the bs you are spouting off about GOD gave man the right to control woman and the bible says to give her no rights. but what do i know according to you im stupid right?

            • Posted By: pinkpanther87413 @ 12/30/2007 1:40:47 PM

              THE WORD "MAN" MY BUST I SEE I SHOULD HAVE SAID[ MANKIND ALL OF US MEN AND WOMEN] AND YOUR CORRECT ABOUT THE FACT THAT IN HISTORY WOMEN RULE BETTER THEN MOST MEN. AS IT WAS WAY BACK,[ AS YOU STATED ] IT MIGHT HAVE INFLUENCED THE WRITTERS OF THE BIBLE, TO EXCLUDE WOMEN IN ANY RELIGIOUS MANNER, OR AS YOU SAID, A MALE DOMINATED RELIGION. IS MY POINT PEROID, NOT AS A THUMPER, BUT IN HISTORY. IM IN NO FAVOR OF THE TERMINOLOGY OF THE TEACHINGS ABOUT WOMEN, THEY GET THE SHORT END OF THE STICK, AND ITS NOT RIGHT!

              • Posted By: Candysland27 @ 12/30/2007 1:50:59 PM

                i never said that women were or make better rulers and humankind sounds better than MANkind because regardless of race creed or color in the end we are ALL human beings

                • Posted By: pinkpanther87413 @ 12/30/2007 2:14:01 PM

                  I SAID WOMEN MAKE BETTER LEADERS, MY OPINION OK! ITS GETTING VERY CLEAR WE ARE ARGUING THE SAME POINT, FROM DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS, AND YOUR RIGHT ABOUT THE WORD HUMANKIND. I'M A DISABLED VETERAN SO I LOSE WORDS, AND TO RIGHT YOURS MAKES MUCH MORE SENSE, THANKS, AND WE DO FEEL THE SAME ABOUT OUR SPECIES BEING THE SAME, WE ARE AFTER, ALL , ONLY HUMAN.

          • Posted By: Candysland27 @ 12/30/2007 1:26:37 PM

            MAN GAVE YOU RIGHTS OR ARE YOU SO OBLIVIOUS TO HISTORY TO BE THIS STUPID??? THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO LIVE THE WAY THEY SEE FIT NOT THE WAY WE SEE FIT FOR THEM!!!
            does that sound like a person who doesn't agree with the bible, if you really knew history then you would do well to remember that b4 christianity was around ancient civilizations worshipped the female entity the Goddess and how she gave birth to all life, but then of course that doesnt mean anything to a male dominated religion who benefits from the controll of women

            • Posted By: pinkpanther87413 @ 12/30/2007 1:43:53 PM

              THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO LIVE THE WAY THEY SEE FIT NOT THE WAY WE SEE FIT FOR THEM!!!
              Enter Your Comment WAS REFERING TO THE WAY WE TREAT OTHER COUNTRIES, NO RELIGIOUS VALUE OK

        • Posted By: pinkpanther87413 @ 12/30/2007 1:31:08 PM

          I DO AGREE THAT MOST FAITHS WORSHIP THE SAME GOD BUT A DIFFERENT PROPHET AND AS SILLY AS IT SOUNDS. THEY KILL TO PROVE WHO IS RIGHT, AND THAT IS WRONG.

  • Posted By: docoutsider @ 12/30/2007 1:49:56 PM

    It is really sad that PPP has done what it had been doing in the past i.e. running the party as a family business - definitely not as a democratic party. OR the so-called 'senior' leaders of the party have no confidence in them selves and they just want to get elected due to the temporary sympathy vote/ It is further regretful that despite announcing a forty day period of mourning they do not want to miss the opportunity of relying on sympathy vote. Perhaps they are afraid that the party will split up if more time was given to think rationally about the decision on party chairmanship.

  • Posted By: docoutsider @ 12/30/2007 1:44:22 PM

    I never expected it to be different because basically it is a feudal party. None of its 'Senior' leaders have any confidence in themselves and once again they will try to get back into power by counting on 'sympathy' vote. The decision not to ask for postponment just confirms this' Any normal democratic party would have requested to delay the elections beyond the fory day announced period of mourning. I am really disgusted with the party's approach.

  • Posted By: shaam @ 12/30/2007 10:32:12 AM

    Wow the monarchy roles on! Does this not show people the world over that Bhutto was never interested in democracy, but just starting another dynasty of corrupt hereditary rulers. The PPP is a party that only wishes to secure a permanent oligarchy over Pakistan. They charge Musharraf from clinging to power, but they would far worse given the chance. Oh forgot they got that chance twice and the country went literally bankrupt. Over 5 billion dollars stolen, labeled the most corrupt nation, the beginning of anarchy in Sindh province, and with human rights abuses to boot. God save Pakistan from Bhutto and the PPP.

    • Posted By: pinkpanther87413 @ 12/30/2007 10:41:25 AM

      YOU NEED A HISTORY LESSON ON THE WORST OF TWO EVILS CAUSE WE HELPED KILL THE BETTER OF THE TWO

      • Posted By: pakiboy100 @ 12/30/2007 12:03:53 PM

        I FULLY AGREE,THE BHUTTO FAMILY ARE NOTHING BUT A BUNCH OF ROYAL FEUDAL CROOKS ONLY INTERESTED IN LOOTING AND PILLAGING OUR COUNTRY AGAIN.CAN YOU IMAGINE A NINETEEN YEAR OLD KID RULING OVER A 160 MILLION NAIVE,ILLITERATE AND IGNORANT PAKISTANI'S.THE PAKI'S GET WHAT THEY DESERVE!!!!

        • Posted By: Candysland27 @ 12/30/2007 12:57:35 PM

          no one deserves to live in fear every second of their lives

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