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Huckabee's edge among evangelicals is tested in Iowa.

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  • Posted By: 2thetruth @ 01/03/2008 9:51:13 PM

    HUCKABOOM - From Iowa and on to the presidency. Romney spent how much in Iowa? And Huckabee spent what? Christianity, you say, is a hoax, but it won the Iowa Caucus.

  • Posted By: north country thinker @ 12/31/2007 12:01:31 PM

    It seems strange to me that Mr. Huckabee would decelerate instead of accelerate on the eve of the primary's. It sends these two messages: either he knows he can't win or that he thinks he's invincible and will will easily. It seems to disrespect the faithful efforts of his caucus people's efforts. I am surprised by the polls and pleased that people are starting to realize that just because a person says he's a "christian" which I am sure he is in some way, that that doesn't automatically get you "elected" . A candidate also needs knowledge of global affairs, their own honesty and integrity , fair mindedness, and an all inclusive sense of what is happening in our world and at home, I don't believe that he has these, at best he has a regional sense of issues and @ worst he has a "concrete" sense of issues which has been formed by a very limited theological view. I would rather have someone in office not of the traditional "christian" ideology that has all the above characteristics then someone with such a narrow world view, Fundamental evangelicals scare me much more than "global thinkers" who are not so narrow in their definition of their faith view and they should scare the rest of you also, they are not far from a "fanatical" point of view that would eliminate anyone who doesn't share their "narrow" view of issues as we have seen modeled by our current President. Please use your "God" given intelligence to THINK for Yourself! question everything and settle for nothing but the "truth" from those who want "the highest office in the land ". Remember that people can and do change their views...it's called maturing, but if someone never or rarely changes their views then it's suspect and their thinking is "set in stone" unable to be changed even with further "facts" and will cause our country and it's citizens serious problems.

    • Posted By: davemclv @ 12/31/2007 1:09:19 PM

      Thank you north country thinker. You are absolutely right!

      • Posted By: crowebar @ 12/31/2007 7:25:57 PM

        Harsh........, you question whether he is a christian, in "some" way. Whether he is honest, has integrity, is fair minded, can perceive what is happening in this world and at home, and has a knowledge of global affairs. Has anybody ever asked any candidate those same questions? and received an answer to all of them? WOW, color, intensity, contrast, focus. I like his ties myself. I don't mean to demean your comments, however, it does not appear to me that you follow and/or research the candidates very well. Perhaps you should start there and get the real facts on any candidate before you start sling the mud, if your intent is integrity, fair mindedness, honesty, a sense of the world, christianity.

        • Posted By: midnight05 @ 01/01/2008 1:08:51 PM

          This is a diverse land and and not all of us are Evangaelical Christians, Crowebar Keep your faith, sure, but don't shove it down my throat. There are lots of moderate Christians, Jews, Muslims and Buddhists who finid your brand of aggressive, even phallic religioun chilling.

          • Posted By: slstring @ 01/03/2008 9:53:12 AM

            You are obviously a foreigner that has moved into our country and demand rights. Read your money..."In God We Trust" Sorry, Bud, but that's where our country's roots are and regardless of the party you belong to, it can't be taken away.

      • Posted By: crowebar @ 12/31/2007 7:44:06 PM

        dave, dave, dave, the Presidency is not the Highest office in the land. He who made the land comes first, the planets, suns, moons, where they sit in relation to each other, and you know, who puts that spark of life in you. Isn't it great how he gives you the freedom to choose your own conclusions. Being an "I" is absolutely it, isn't it. We christians say, "you can choose your sin, you just can't choose your ending!!" Personally I like Mike's ties.

    • Posted By: pinkpanther87413 @ 01/01/2008 12:09:50 AM

      I ENJOY YOUR DEFINITION OF THE WORD "FANATICAL" AS IT NO DIFFERENT THAN THE TERM "EXTREMIST" UNLES A GREEN CARD MAKES FANATICS EXEMPT FROM HOMELAND SECURITY?

  • Posted By: davemclv @ 12/31/2007 1:06:42 PM

    In short, religion has NO place in politics and all those who run on a "Christian" ticket should LOSE BIG TIME because they are all LOSERS!!!!!

    • Posted By: crowebar @ 01/01/2008 12:46:41 PM

      It is not possible for christians to lose; in having GOD, they have already won. And you can't exclude religion from politics anymore than you can exclude politics from religion. They go hand in hand.

      • Posted By: slstring @ 01/03/2008 9:03:20 AM

        Crowebar, you seem to be one of the only one's on this blog that actually has any sense. It is sad that everyone has forgotten how our country was founded...luckily that is one thing that can't be changed or taken away from us. I will keep praying for our country AND our new age citizens so they too may realize what a difference Christ can make.

    • Posted By: crowebar @ 01/01/2008 1:11:01 PM

      This is from the distaff side of Crowebar and is not directed at any particular comment but to everyone in general, although Dave does cry out for personal attention: There is no point in electing any candidate. We should just vote for a party ticket. Everyone knows that all democrats are just alike, as are all rebublicans. They care only about personal power and have no interest or empathy for those they supposedly 'represent' They vote strictly along party lines-the only goal being to get their party in control. It is big business and oil interests that control this country and dictate who our international 'friends' and 'enemies' are. Am I hearing murmuring from the peanut gallery? Of course that's absurd! While my comment may be partially true, there are people that care deeply about this country and try to do what's right. Everyone makes mistakes and wrong decisions, but in this country we scewer them to a wall if they turn out not to perfect. A lot of good people fall by the way side or never enter the game because of our treatment of public figures, leaving behind too many of the tough skinned screw you politians. Just as all democrats and all rebuplicans are not 'just alike' all Christians are not alike. We pray and worship in different ways, we interpret the bible in different ways and our personal relationships with God differ. Some of us believe in creationism, some of us believe in evolution and some of us believe in intelligent design. Some of us are liberals and some of us are conservatives. Sometimes all of these differences coexist in the same church. Instead of blanketing all Christians as nut cases, ask yourself this basic question. As this country has moved away from the Chistian principles of our fore fathers, has life gotten better? Are you happier? Do you feel like there is a promising future ahead for you and your children? Are you confident that your children and grandchildren will have a good marriage? A good job? Are you worried about drugs? Drive by shootings? Mall shootings? Rape and murder? Do you enjoy reading news that is more about immoral out of control celebrities than the economy or global warming? There is no one politian that can solve these dilemma, no one party, no one church. But God is the answer. Even if you aren't a Christain, ask him and listen for his answer. He is your father, whether you choose him or not, and he is eager to guide mankind becasue he loves us. In this forlorn and hopeless world that we have created for ourselves, you are never alone, never hopeless. Just reach out.

  • Posted By: okie3 @ 01/03/2008 8:14:00 AM

    Keeping the Faith? Please try keeping it to yourself, not everyone has a 'faith' by choice. Christainity is the biggest hoax ever purperated on mankind.

  • Posted By: pinkpanther87413 @ 12/31/2007 10:40:08 PM

    IF I WANTED A RELIGIOUS LEADER I WOULD VOTE FOR THE POPE. AT LEAST HE DID TELL BUSH NOT TO INVADE IRAQ, BUT BUSH STATED"I'VE SPOKEN TO A HIGHER POWER AND HE SAYS TO DO IT" ANDREY YATES LISTEND TO GOD AND DROWNED HER 4 OR 5 KIDS-GO FIGURE? ONE IS CRAZY, AND THE OTHER WAS RE-ELECTED? ONLY CAUSE BIN-LAUDEN VOTED FOR HIM TO!

    • Posted By: ww11korviet @ 01/01/2008 12:59:59 AM

      Your comment is totally rediculous! Let me tell you something, I fought in WW11, Korea, and Vietnam and saw my fellow men die for ONE CAUSE, and that was for this grand country, AMERICA! Yes, Iraq is a war, and many are dying, but would you rather we as Americans be overthere, or have them be here in our country fighting? Apparently, you have never been in the military, stand beside a vet and make your statement, believe me sir, you would have to pick yourself up. We need a leader that is a God fearing man, that loves this country, loves God, and is will to do the best he can. Mitt Romney is my choice!

      • Posted By: Ruben A @ 01/02/2008 12:09:50 PM

        I WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU FOR SERVING THIS GREAT COUNTRY,AND I AGREE WITH EVERY WORD YOU SAID.MITT ROMNEY HAS MY VOTE TO.

      • Posted By: texny45 @ 01/01/2008 8:28:20 AM

        I sympathise with your point of view and yes, I was in the navy during Vietnam, but no combat. One of the freedoms we defend is the right to demand that our leaders sacrifice our lives only when there is no other option. We were in no danger of being invaded by Iraq. This is an offensive war, in several ways. If it were really to defend ourselves, Bush would not have pulled critical units out of Aghanistan until Ben Laden was destroyed. He still plots and I can't help but feel that any future deaths by his group should be laid at Bush's feet.

  • Posted By: ryan_tew @ 01/01/2008 8:48:22 PM

    http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2007/11/13/huckabee/
    Even Arkansans don't like the former governor Huckabee.

    • Posted By: crowebar @ 01/02/2008 11:33:03 AM

      If they didn't like him, why did they reelect him?

  • Posted By: crowebar @ 01/02/2008 11:20:09 AM

    Ron Paul has some good ideas, I respect the man for his independence. However any changes that a candidate wants to take place has to go through Congress. Get rid of Congress, bring in new people, then Ron Paul might have a fighting chance. Yet, if you look at Ron Paul's specific plan to, for instance, address the issues of Health Care for the 50 million people in this country without coverage, he shucks and jives with the best of them. He states he'll make it more competitive for the doctors buying insurance, so their cost will go down, which will supposedly lower the cost for the average family. Costs don't go down. Get that into your head. Costs don't go down. The objectives in this capitalist society is for costs to go up, so the MAN can make more. The issue here is simple, you choose life or you choose money.
    Candidates "say" whatever you want to hear. All of them. Look not at what they say, without the periscope on them, what do they really do? I'm not so concerned with a candidate grabbing for himself, we all do that. We're all looking for freebees, we all want to feel equal to the next guy. We're driven to get stuff. That's why capitalism works........greed. Induced greed. We are not born with it. We get it along the way. What I look for in a candidate is realism, have they shown something to us that tells us they are real, not plastic. You are not going to find that on the campaign trail. I look for compassion, true empathy for their fellow man. Humble, not in a political way, in a way that encompasses all of humanity. Huckabee has shown that, deep down in his soul he could not pull the plug on anyone that he had not personally investigated and searched his heart for the truth. Was he wrong at times. Probably. He's human. But he's also real, as real as it gets. You try pulling that switch. If you're pulling the switch on Mike Huckabee.........you choose death over life.

  • Posted By: americanforamerica @ 01/01/2008 5:50:47 PM

    Wow. I can't believe he's trying to campaign on honesty. If he's at all honest, I am the pope, which I am so not the pope. Romney is ok and I could care less that he is a Mormon. Heck, he could be Russian orthodox and i wouldn't care. Religion has no place in this. Honesty though, Ron Paul beats them all hands down, KO.

    • Posted By: MrXfromPlanetX @ 01/01/2008 9:15:34 PM

      You don't find it troubling that Mitt Romney's national security advisor is Cofer Black co founder of Blackwater USA? I do. If Cofer advises Mitt to do anything but wage war and police the American people, Cofer loses money.

  • Posted By: ryan_tew @ 01/01/2008 8:49:38 PM

    Mike Huckabee is just as dishonest and sleezy as Mitt Romney.
    http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2007/11/13/huckabee/
    Stealing, hiding behind bibles and crosses, freeing murders/rapists, accepting unethical gifts etc
    The only honest and American choice is RON PAUL 2008!!!! www.ronpaul2008.com

  • Posted By: seven-pesos @ 01/01/2008 7:36:14 PM

    two things you can''t trust:...a cop with a taser on his hip...

    a republican with a bible in his hand...ha,ha,ha.

  • Posted By: crowebar @ 01/01/2008 5:30:15 PM

    Another reply from the Crowebar other half to Midnightto5. Defication on the constitution, Midnight? Is that a new Christian generated sport I failed to hear about. For any kind of meaningful exchange, we need specific facts, not broad accusations. Which Christians are you speaking of, Mr. Midnight? Precisely which articles of the constitution are they attempting to desecrete? Not every one with a multimillion dollar church, a microphone in his hand and a camera in his face professing to know Gods word is a Christian. Christians can be distinguished by actions and attitudes. I believe Mr. Huckabee is a true Christain, not because he says it, not because he was a practicing Pastor, but through his deeds (all of which can be researched on the internet) in organising food and clothing drives for the needy, in his condemnation of republican spending cuts that hurt the poorest of the poor, espechially children. By the way, although I am leaning toward Mr. Huckabee I am and always have been a liberal democrat and have broken from a party vote only once in my life, but I truly like and believe in this guy. I would have to classify the current president among those who claim but do not practice Christianity. For those who would have this guy drawn and quartered on his pardons record, it is so easy to point the finger after a mistake has been made, but have you ever held a mans life in your hand and known that BY YOUR WORD he will die? Even jurors don't bear this burden alone, but share it with 11 others. As Govenor, he could have left the decision to some minion, but as a Christian he agonized over each one, took the paper work home and studied it before each decision was made. . Were some mistakes? Yes, OH No! He's human, surely a disqualification for our highest office. As to the writer who is tired of having Christians 'ram' their views down his throat- I have read some childish and truly outrageous comments here, but you didn't accuse any of those writers of 'ramming' anything down your throat. Why is that when Christians express their opinion it is perceived to be over bearing? I love God my father, Jesus Christ and the Holy Ghost. From their teachings I have learned love my fellowman, to help those who are helpless, to serve without expectation of reward and to share all that I have with those who are without. What's so scary?

    • Posted By: MrXfromPlanetX @ 01/01/2008 7:07:20 PM

      I Mike Huckabee has not been good on immigration. Blue collar jobs matter just as much as white collar jobs. This is where Democrats are total hypocrites when they claim they want to help the poor people of the US while giving all the illegals amnesty. Based on Huckabee's voting record, he's not going to be good on immigration.


      People keep saying the US bates illegals, so lets stop bating them by providing incentives to come to the US.

      http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewPolitics.asp?Page=/Politics/archive/200712/POL20071204b.html

      If we want to help the poor of Mexico, and the US, we need to get rid of NAFTA, which Huckabee supports. http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/12/magazine/16huckabee.html?pagewanted=11

      Bernie Sanders explains how NAFTA has devastated the poor of Mexico. Bill Clinton Pushed it through, but it is a not a free trade bill it's special trade bill, written by lobbyists for corporations.

      http://www.sanders.senate.gov/news/record.cfm?id=286851

      Ron Paul wants to stop illegal immigration, and get rid of NAFTA.
      http://www.ronpaul2008.com/issues/american-independence-and-sovereignty
      http://www.ronpaul2008.com/issues/border-security-and-immigration-reform

      Ron Paul has a thorough understanding of economics and is on the banking committee.

      Check out http://inflationtax.blogspot.com

      I don't think Huckabee can win because of the reasons listed about, and because he scares the crap out of anyone who isn't a neocon.

      Ron Paul attracts Christians, as well as people from all faiths and belief systems. Ron Paul attracts traditional conservatives, as well as people from all other parties who are concerned about the legitimacy of the war in Iraq, the inflation tax, and restoring the Constitution.

      Hillary has received the more donations from the weapons industry than any other candidate http://www.alternet.org/story/65869/ supported the Patriot Act and all Obama has actually done is talk about opposing the war and the Patriot Act. Lets see him actually do something.

      Even with these short comings, I believe Ron Paul, is the only Republican who could beat a Democrat right now.

  • Posted By: seven-pesos @ 01/01/2008 7:01:17 PM

    mormons...baptist...evangelist...snake charmers...bible thumpers...

    christians in the white house are like foxes in the chicken house...

    watch out , america!

    ha,ha,ha.

  • Posted By: HCRep @ 01/01/2008 6:42:42 PM

    Let the Iowa mudslinging begin in this not at all uncommon election year when many candidates vie for the attention of voters in their race for the WH. It's come down to the point where people running against another will look long and hard for any "skeleton in the closet" of their opponent to discredit him or her in any way possible. It's also sad the way our nation has gone in this arena of our freedom.

  • Posted By: HCRep @ 01/01/2008 6:40:04 PM

    And let the political mudslinging in Iowa take off as it apparently has, like any political election in this nation. Mudslinging has become like a political national past time.

  • Posted By: seven-pesos @ 01/01/2008 6:36:21 PM

    just what america needs...a redneck bible thumping republican southerner to replace bush...ha,ha,ha...

    you'd think that america has learned their lesson.

  • Posted By: americanforamerica @ 01/01/2008 5:50:13 PM

    Wow. I can't believe he's trying to campaign on honesty. If he's at all honest, I am the pope, which I am so not the pope. Romney is ok and I could care less that he is a Mormon. Heck, he could be Russian orthodox and i wouldn't care. Religion has no place in this. Honesty though, Ron Paul beats them all hands down, KO.

  • Posted By: crowebar @ 01/01/2008 5:01:26 PM

    WOW, I missed the point again. I just hate it when I miss the point. Non-christians, please do not read this, I don't want any of it to get on you, midnight05's defecation thing. Did you know all of the founding fathers were christians?? Did you know most of the early Presidents were christians? WOW, like that's why they started the whole thing, so they could be religious the way they wanted to be and still run the country. That's why people moved to America, to get away from religious persecution by governments.

  • Posted By: midnight05 @ 01/01/2008 1:05:29 PM

    Heidi and Crowebar, you miss the point. We are not electing God, Jesus or a pastor, we are electing a President and, unless the candidate is competent to do that, we need to send him packing back to the pulpit where he can only affect his own parishioners. I don't want a religious presidency. We already have one and it has screwed the nation up royally. I want a President true to his ideals -- wherever they were formed -- and also profoundly attached to the Constitution. The Christian Dominionists have defecated on that document time and time again during the last eight years. May God protect us against God's spokesmen.

    • Posted By: heidi61 @ 01/01/2008 4:44:31 PM

      I, too, am extremely disappointed in the current leadership in the White House. Many Christians voted again for the Republican format based on a few valid issues such as pro-life, but nothing really having anything to do with our nation being pulled into a debt hole for what purpose? It just bugs me when people attack Christians just for the sake of attacking Christians. As for as deciding who to vote for based solely on pro-life, correct me if I'm wrong, but don't we have a supreme court panel of judges that already is a majority on that issue, so do we need to vote any more Republicans in as representatives or Senators or a President?

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