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  • Posted By: co_mom @ 01/03/2008 7:22:49 PM

    As a real estate agent in Colorado, I can relate completely to the "bigger is better" mentality. I see so many people trying to buy the biggest, most elaborate home they can afford. While that may be all fine and good, they also have the fanciest cars they can manage to lease and the wardrobe and the toys to go along with it. Too many of these folks make as small a down payment as they can and disregard any advice from me to consider something a bit smaller, less expensive, less "look at me". While the wealthy can choose whatever they want and cost is a small consideration, most of these folks aren't wealthy. They may have high incomes and have great prospects, but the fact remains that they have very little net worth and almost no ability to ride out an illness, job loss, divorce or any other curve ball life may throw at them. We see plenty of foreclosures in the million dollar price range just because people insist on living beyond their means.

  • Posted By: LIGoldCoast @ 01/03/2008 5:12:06 PM

    First the AMT phases out the interest deductibility for high income earners as well as the oversize property taxes that comes with them. Next the top 10% of earners pay over 70% of the income taxes while the bottom 50% pays just a paltry 3% of federal income taxes (IRS 2005 numbers). I am so tired of the soak the rich ranting by politicians when the numbers indicate they have been doing just that forever. I would advise those who rant about their lives being so miserable due to income inequality to go to college, get a graduate degree and join the top 10%. It isn't so hard and you will feel much better about yourself.

    • Posted By: Johnsonium @ 01/03/2008 7:13:36 PM

      All your stats are purposefully skewed and incorrect. A cursory examination shows that the total burden by a group is irrelevant. It's the percentage. Numerous loopholes for the rich and corporations, put there after much lobbying the average Joe cannot muster, makes sure that their actual individual burden is very light in percentage terms.

  • Posted By: JerseyGuy @ 01/03/2008 2:03:16 PM

    The authors following comments are not entirely true. For vast majority of people the Alternative Minimum Tax kicks in and does away with most of those legitimate deductions.

    " In 2008, the tax deduction for mortgage interest payments will cost the federal government $89 billion. The savings go heavily to the upper-middle class and the wealthy???the least needy people???and encourage ever-larger homes."

  • Posted By: JerseyGuy @ 01/03/2008 2:01:23 PM

    The authors following comments are not entirely true. For vast majority of people the Alternative Minimum Tax kicks in and does away with most of those legitimate deductions.

    " In 2008, the tax deduction for mortgage interest payments will cost the federal government $89 billion. The savings go heavily to the upper-middle class and the wealthy???the least needy people???and encourage ever-larger homes."

  • Posted By: lorendean @ 01/03/2008 12:30:49 PM

    I had a large home with 3 floors so I put kitchens on each floor and rented out beautiful 1200 sq ft. flats with lake views for only 900 per month. Those flats never went empty for even a week, until the city stepped in and said I was renting in "single family zoning. " So the problem is not the houses, it is the stupid zoning thing which prohibits people from sharing a house unless they're married or something. Cities hate renters and want to keep them out. Its discriminatory, really. Cities have no right to tell us how to live in our own homes, or who to associate with. Nor do they have any right to use city ordinances to advance their idea of social mixing. Big houses are designed for more people, older people especially should gang up in these grand houses. Cities have no right to zone up the best real estate for their idea of what a family is. Modern families aggregate by choice now, not genes. Zoning, codes and ordinances must be limited to clear safety issues, and not grow into social steering programs that are obviously discriminatory. The single family zoning code must be replaced with a "single person per sq foot code". Then we can use the valuable real estate for all.

  • Posted By: meriksson @ 01/03/2008 8:59:19 AM

    Why do people want to live in those McMansions anyway? My husband and I always laugh when we drive by those hideous houses. Aside from the fact that they're just charmless cubes (gotta love those tacky two story foyers), they all seem to be too large for their lots and have zero privacy. Why would anyone spend all that money on a house where you can't even bbq in the backyard without the whole neighborhood and passersby knowing?

  • Posted By: Mwalimu @ 01/03/2008 12:44:21 AM

    Let???s look at the future. While the richie rich prosper, every one else???s salary is going down. Remember the global economy means American workers are in a wage competition with workers in Banga Desh. Who???s going to win? In addition, the next generation will be saddled with college debt. Since fewer employers are offering health insurance, particularly to younger employees, the next generation will have to cough up $12,000 to $ 21,000 for health insurance. (Source: American Prospect.) If Libertarians have their way, public schools will be privatized and parents will have to shelling out tuition the instant their child enters kindergarten, somewhere between $ 5,000 to $ 20,000 a year, depending on the quality of education a parent opts for,. If Huckabee replaces income tax with sales tax, the cost of a house will go up by 23%. Homeowners will not be able go get deductions for mortgages, which incidentally did help low income home owners as well as the rich. With this in mind, where will the next generation live?
    Check out Barbara Ehrenreich???s book Nickel and Dimed to find out the options and remember that could be your future. Can all the folks investing in McMansions expect to resell their high class mausoleums? I don???t think so. The folks making six digit salaries simply can???t live everywhere at once. Expect housing values to go down - far lower than Robert Samuelson and company can imagine.

  • Posted By: studio 513 @ 01/02/2008 10:09:17 PM

    The bubble mentality also had a lot to do with the bloated homes being built. When you are getting 10% appreciation per year, would you rather get that on a $150K house or a $450K place? And sure the lenders are falling all over each other to hand you the money and the various govt bodies are giving out more tax breaks for this shed on which you are making more money and...why wouldn't you go for it? Except that you wake up one day and the champagne has gone flat 'cuz the party she be OVER, dude.

  • Posted By: mgw@abmac.com @ 01/02/2008 12:54:21 PM

    I'm African American, and I'm simply happy to be able to buy a home. It was something that my parents had been unable to do. There simply was not enough money left over for them to save the required 20% downpayment and closing cost fees. I am part of the 74% who desire a newly constructed home. Construction was completed on my 2,500 sqaure foot home in August, but It is in a community where homes are as large as 4,000 square feet. I admire the large homes, but I don't see the need for them and their correspondingly high operating costs. I don't throw parties on a monthly basis that calls for huge amounts of interior room or backyard space. I actually enjoy talking to my heighbor when I step outside, so I do not need acres of land between my home and the next home. And my modest home is expensive enough in today's market. God bless the neighbors around me who are making mortgage payments on larger homes that cost $100,000 more than what I paid. I do, however, feel sorry for anyone who is struggling to make their mortgage payments because they had to own the largest and most impressive house offered. What good is it to own the largest house if you can't afford to furnish all those rooms, heat it or water the lawn?

    As far as greenhouse gases are concerned, I'm willing to bet that my newly constructed, "Energy Star" rated home, has a smaller carbon footprint than any older home. Double-paned windows, dual zone digitally managed HVAC, high efficiency insulation and TYVEK wrapping (to reduce drafts and heating losses) all combine to make my home cheaper to operate than the average 25 year old house.

    • Posted By: JRWhittler @ 01/02/2008 6:38:51 PM

      While mgw is correct in saying that newer homes are more energy efficient than older houses, I 'd like to observe that new houses averaging between 1000 - 1500 sq. ft, leave an even smaller carbon footprint than new houses averaging 2500 - 4000 sq ft. Just because some people have more disposable income, they seem to think it gives them license to use up more energy and to leave larger carbon footprints than the average Joe. They seem to forget that responsibility comes with wealth.

    • Posted By: JRWhittler @ 01/02/2008 6:30:47 PM

      While mgw@abmac.com is correct in saying that new houses are more energy efficient than older ones,

  • Posted By: mgw@abmac.com @ 01/02/2008 5:57:45 PM

    Now here's a house I wanted to build, but land in the area I wanted to live was unavailable. None of the builders in NJ are doing anything like this perfect 2100 square foot home:

    http://www.houseplans.com/plan_details.asp?id=22061

  • Posted By: p_nut1974@sbcglobal.net @ 01/02/2008 4:09:31 PM

    It's not the government's fault and it's not the lender's fault either that the housing market is in this shape. It's the buyer's fault. If you're not able to take a responsible look at your finances and decide what you can afford, then too bad. Our bank offered to finance us for more, but given the fact that my husband is a Marine and we moved to Texas to escape the California housing prices and I don't work, we chose to finance much less. Now I still get to be at home with our children instead of sending them to daycare while I bust my butt to pay for what is a skewed version of the American dream. When I hear my neighbors talk about how they bought too much home (and I see unfurnished rooms in their houses because of lack of money) and they tell me about their $800 heating bill (compared to my $170 bill) I sleep even more soundly at night.

    • Posted By: flokaiser @ 01/02/2008 4:40:58 PM

      The government comes into play to some degree, depending where you live. If zoning laws and building codes don't allow one to build a house that is affordable for you, then that IS the government's fault. We bought an old, 650 sq foot house, and it is plenty big for the 2 of us. However, we never would be allowed to build a new house this size in many communities today.

  • Posted By: leetron @ 01/02/2008 3:24:56 PM

    I love my "little" 1600 sq ft. 3 bedroom two bath home. It accomodates my five member family more than adequately. I really love it when it's time to write my sub-$900.00 mortgage payment every month to pay down my fixed-rate 15-year note. Every time I imagine living in a bigger home, I just pull out the vacuum cleaner and when I'm done, the house is plenty big, thank you!

    • Posted By: mgw@abmac.com @ 01/02/2008 4:28:20 PM

      I hear you! I wish they still offered new homes in these sizes. Originally, I was looking for a 3 bedroom house, but with the features of the bigger homes, like the private master bath suite. Also didn't need both a family room and formal livingroom, since the livingroom gets very little use. In today's market in my part of the country, I was willing to pay $300,000 for a new house like I describe, but builders simply don't offer that. They force you to choose between larger homes with 4-5 bedrooms, or 3 bedroom townhomes that share a wall with your neighbor.

  • Posted By: junkmail6 @ 01/02/2008 2:39:31 PM

    I'm all for home ownership, and I believe it should be subsidized by tax exemptions. However, this is not about home ownership; it is about greed and hubris. Let the market adjust, and let people and corporations pay for their poor decisions.
    --Self-righteous purchaser of a small home

  • Posted By: interacmom @ 01/02/2008 2:23:45 PM

    Can someone please explain to me how the government will lose $89 billion when it was never the government's money to begin with? As far as I'm concerned, the government confiscates my money and holds it, interest free, for nearly a year before giving it back to me. I'm not some anti-tax kook, but it's disingenuous, at the very least, to state that the government is going to "lose" this money. Maybe this seems like a silly point, but I think it belies a socialist viewpoint on the part the authors that was alluded to by Wild Bill in an earlier post.

    • Posted By: Johnsonium @ 01/02/2008 2:35:05 PM

      The government is all of us. It's the people. Read the Constitution. Revenue that is lost to the government cannot go to pay for infrastructure (and sprawl creates more stress on this), police, fire and even wars in foreign lands. The vast majority of people that cry "socialism" at every turn, when the commons is discussed obviously have little understanding of what the term means.

  • Posted By: liebejud @ 01/02/2008 2:34:47 PM

    Ego appears to be at least a factor. In my area, central/southern New Jersey, homes that we would have once called "mansions" are now commonplace. Former fields and forests are populated by developments full of these mamouth homes, with wings that jut forward of the house in order to accommodate multiple garage bays, walls of windows to show off 15 foot Christmas trees and $20,000 chandeliers. The rooms are massive as is the waste and energy spent to keep these homes functioning. I have visited the model homes for each of the new developments and it is clear that the homes are marketed for people who want high-end opulence. People are obviously free to spend their money how they like. But it appears that people's desire to have the biggest, shinest version of the exact same thing that everyone else has helped move the housing market along.

  • Posted By: ryan52 @ 01/02/2008 12:20:37 PM

    It's simple. If you can't afford it don't buy it! If your not sure, don't buy it! Go ahead let them forclose, i'll buy that house from the bank and rent it back to them!

    • Posted By: Johnsonium @ 01/02/2008 2:28:30 PM

      Brought to you from the Department of Redundancy Department

  • Posted By: Wild Bill @ 01/02/2008 12:53:29 PM

    Mr. Samuelson...You could'nt wait to write a piece about excess. With socialist undertones and somwhat anti-capitalist views you and your "global warming" colleagues will begin the greed is bad campaign, if only for a short time.

    • Posted By: Johnsonium @ 01/02/2008 2:25:21 PM

      Greed is bad. We need to start shaming people who wallow in excess instead of idolizing them. Only then will the tide turn. Shame is the most powerful tool for change we have. The only reason it hasn't been applied to greed, is because we've been conditioned to think greed is somehow virtuous.

  • Posted By: huntsirj @ 01/02/2008 1:34:43 PM

    Having helped many people move into homes and now helping many people loose their homes I find that yes, many bought way above their means and need, a fmily of 4 with a 3,500 square foot home is crazy.

  • Posted By: IAinMiami @ 01/02/2008 1:15:21 PM

    AnneB,

    I am a portfolio manager for a $1.5 billion real estate portfolio and I think you were given inaccurate information. I have been doing this for 15 years and have never, in that time, seen an appraisal that puts the the structure on the land at 50% plus of the overall value (in otherwords, the structure is woth more than the land). They only time I have seen this happen is when it is a condominium buiding with over 100 units. Generally 1st time homeowner loans go to first time homeowners who are buying it a primary residence with a Pre-Payment penalty if they attempt to refinance or sell the house within the first 24 to 36 months.

    • Posted By: IAinMiami @ 01/02/2008 1:27:50 PM

      Let me correct that, in non-urban and non-multiple home developments, many times the land is worth more than the house.

      Granted, a bank can make up the own rules, but in our area, any house on Miami Beach would be worth less than the land whether it be on the water or not. This is because the home is older and has much to fix up. But non of the bank we work with would ever tell a first time home buyer, "We're sorry, you can not buy a house on Miami Beach." I know that this is not a Federally regulated rule of first time home buying.

  • Posted By: djonesss @ 01/02/2008 1:26:55 PM

    Older homes can be retrofitted with the latest energy saving features, but it does take some investment. The good news that it can pay for itself in lower heating bills.

    The stock market returns beat the real estate returns on investment in the past 100 years and will do so in the next 100 years. And what kind of liquidity do have on a house in comparison to a portfolio of stocks/mutual funds?

    These larger homes on larger lots create more sprawl which require more and bigger roads which means you have to live far out and have to drive everywhere. It is lose-lose situation as far as traffic congestion/infrastructure financing and environmentally speaking.

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