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Jonathan Alter

Slumber Party

The caucuses are key. That doesn't mean they aren't dull.

 
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  • Posted By: flype @ 01/04/2008 10:15:43 PM

    Comment: I would like to add this comment. Iowa may have gotten more than its predicted 10 percent participation. That said, I remember many years in WA. State that we were happy to get even five percent caucus participation.
    That says it all for me. To have even FIVE percent of a State elect their Democrat or Republican candidate simply sucks.

    We have an African American, a Woman, a Preacher, and a former War hero resulting in a some 10 percent caucus turnout... that suggests that some 5 percent elected Obama, Clinton or Edwards and the other 5 percent had a choice between Huckabee and Romney and others.

    This is hardly a mandate for Democracy or for Independent choice. This system gives no room for Independents or for real Mavericks. Continue your delusional caucus euphoria but recognize that some 90 percent of voters do not participate in them!

    I advocate a return to open primaries ... and those that allow multiple choices, not just for Democrat or Republican but for Independents. Socialists, Libertarians ???. Whatever.

    Secateur.


    We have an African American, a Woman, a Preacher , a former War hero .result in a some 10 percent turnout.... That suggests that some 5 percent elected Obama, Clinton or Edwards and the other 5 percent had a choice between Huckabee and Romney and others.

    Hardly a mamdate for Democracy or for Independant choice. This system gives no room for Independents or for real Mavericks. Continue your delusional caucus euphorea but recognize that some 90 percent of voters do not participate in them!

    Return to primaries ... and those that allow multiple choices, not just for Democrat or Republican.

    Secateur

  • Posted By: flype @ 01/04/2008 9:38:03 PM

    Comment: Caucuses and the use of persuasion _ _ _ in those some two hours, one half hour is usually used to EDUCATE the political neophytes as to what to do. Elect a precinct chair, who often has to be educated at the last moment.

    Campaigning also includes smart issue participants to push for their candidate. It creates a bias for the most radical of both parties to succeed in swaying the new caucus goers. Prepared and politicized caucus chairs can and will always move the agenda to their own prejudices

    After the mathematics and 15 percentile merry go-rounds one goes on to referendums and proposals to the party. Once again the party elite can influence the newcomer simply by having prepared statements and referendums already printed out. The newbie has no chance at all. That said even with the precinct chairs influence, most of the caucus suggestions never make it through the next steps of the urban political grinder.

    As for the ???two hours???, much occurs after the majority leave. Those delegates chosen have to work through the paperwork and the proposals discussed. It can be much longer than two hours ??? guess who stays to finalize and sanitize what has been accomplished.
    Read the precinct chairmen!!!!!


    This system is a major waste of man-hours and I totally support a primary vote that allows voters to vote at ANY TIME OF THE DAY OR WEEK before the primary. Be it in the afternoon or the evening ... two hours dis-infranchises too many of us. A primary ... it is in and out, be it a lunch break from a job or whatever. No problem. Anyone who believes that their "resolutions" will survive even on a State level exam is delusional.

    Secateur

  • Posted By: flype @ 01/04/2008 8:55:36 PM

    Comment: Caucuses and the use of persuasion _ _ _ in those some two hours, one half hour is usually used to EDUCATE the political neophytes as to what to do. Elect a precinct chair, who often has to be educated at the last moment.

    Campaigning also includes smart issue participants to push for their candidate. It creates a bias for the most radical of both parties to succeed in swaying the new caucus goers. Prepared and politicized caucus chairs can and will always move the agenda to their own prejudices

    After the mathematics and 15 percentile merry go-rounds one goes on to referendums and proposals to the party. Once again the party elite can influence the newcomer simply by having prepared statements and referendums already printed out. The newbie has no chance at all. That said even with the precinct chairs influence, most of the caucus suggestions never make it through the next steps of the urban political grinder.

    As for the ???two hours???, much occurs after the majority leave. Those delegates chosen have to work through the paperwork and the proposals discussed. It can be much longer than two hours ??? guess who stays to finalize and sanitize what has been accomplished.
    Read the precinct chairmen!!!!!


    This system is a major waste of man-hours and I totally support a primary vote that allows voters to vote at ANY TIME OF THE DAY OR WEEK before the primary. Be it in the afternoon or the evening ... two hours dis-infranchises too many of us. A primary ... it is in and out, be it a lunch break from a job or whatever. No problem. Anyone who believes that their "resolutions" will survive even on a State level exam is delusional.

    Secateur

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