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  • Posted By: Hawkdawg @ 01/04/2008 5:39:52 PM

    That wrinkles comment is the worst kind of sexist trash. And Hillary Clinton is plenty smart, no matter her record in bar exams (I didn't know she had flunked any of them, and still don't). My sole significant problem with her is that she will galvanize what might otherwise by a nicely apathetic Republican base in the general election were she to win the Democratic nomination. We can't have that happen, no matter the symbolic points we score by nominating a woman for President. That's why I favor Obama or Edwards. All three of them are so vastly superior to the Republicans running that we need to select the one that has the best chance to win. And Clinton has the WORST chance to win, as national hypothetical run-off polls repeatedly show.

    • Posted By: Johnsonium @ 01/04/2008 5:43:12 PM

      Actually, it was more ageist, than anything else.

  • Posted By: wyl5326 @ 01/04/2008 5:42:16 PM

    Hill is really like a leopard who can't change it's spots. She goes
    bragging again about surviving the GOP attack on her for 16 years. Even that
    number is part of her trademark exaggeration (GOP start attacking her only when
    Hillarycare was launched and not 16 years to date). Or is she now telling us
    that Bill and Hill are one and the same person ? In that case, let us drag back
    Monica then ! How could an smart woman like her acts like a moron, or is it
    that she thinks that the voters are stupid enough to believe her every word ?
    Or perhaps she is so arithmetically too dumb to know how to count ? In that
    case, the voters should just dump her now ! What she claimed as experience that
    I can accept is that she has 16 years of waging battles with the GOP, but that
    is not the kind of experience that the voters are looking for. The voters are
    looking for a leader to lead a united country, not a divider like her !

  • Posted By: jackel1229 @ 01/04/2008 5:41:23 PM

    71 % of Iowans rejected Sen Hillary Clinton

    Edwards' supporters will not swing to Hillary

  • Posted By: jackel1229 @ 01/04/2008 5:40:15 PM

    71 % of Iowans rejected Sen Hillary Clinton..Edwards' voters will not migrate to Hillary

  • Posted By: dg17256 @ 01/04/2008 5:24:05 PM

    Sorry fellow constituents, I hate to rain on all of your political science jargon, but let???s keep it real and let???s keep it simple. Any one of the top three candidates represents change. Who are we kidding? They all have a particular appeal in one way or the other, but let???s face it ??? do we want another figurehead as President? Yes, Obama is hip, cool, and the feel good candidate. Do any of those qualities translate to change? Yes, by most of his supporters definition. Will they effect change pragmatically speaking? Not necessarily...correction, absolutely not! I do know that from an international perspective he would totally represent Western culture. I feel that of the three, Edwards and Clinton would promote a more respectable foreign policy. Personally, I would prefer Clinton for her experience in both Congress and the White House. We Democratic constituents were all better off under the previous Clinton administration, and there???s no reason to believe we would be again. The ideologies are not old, nor are the politics. Again, reality check, we study history for a reason ??? to learn from it. History shows that Clinton politics and Clinton ideologies work. Also, for godness sake, let's not put too much stock into how genuine a candidate is. The idea that a candidate is geniune is a fallacy. They're policitians. Give credit where credit is due - track record.

    • Posted By: Johnsonium @ 01/04/2008 5:39:06 PM

      Please stop posting the same nonsense again. It was incorrect analysis the first time and didn't gain credibility with the additional posting.

  • Posted By: youngWITHaBRAIN @ 01/04/2008 5:38:47 PM

    If there is one thing that sets Obama apart from the lying, sniveling, back-stabbing, back-tracking politicians, it's that he is JUST a politician. He is an American. I am not one to talk down about other people's views and opinions, but when criticism of others is so blatent and hypocritical, I feel I must say something. It may never amount to anything in the big picture, but at least someone had the nerve to step up and say it: Obama's lack of what Hillary's supporters call "experience" is the reason those of us who choose to support him feel so good about him; he has not been in the cesspool of Washington long enough to be corrupted. Maybe people need to take thier heads out of their backsides with their "holier than thou" "my candidate lived there and yours didn't" type of attitude and seriously consider what would be best for our country. I liked Bill as my president. But Hillary IS NOT BILL! So the fact that Obama has not had as much time in the Senate should NOT be a strike against him, we should instead embrace him as something new. Similar to the way the founding fathers embraced their opportunity to create a new country (which NONE OF THEM HAD DONE BEFORE), where everyone can be given an equal chance, where the public can speak, and where it is the norm to be openminded and interrested in other's views, since that is how improvements are made anyway. How can people criticize a man with dreams of a better country for starting early? This whole thing is getting so frustrating...it's rediculous.

  • Posted By: wyl5326 @ 01/04/2008 5:38:11 PM

    Hill's campaign style for black voters is relying on getting top leaders'
    endorsements who will then be expected to issue commands to their followers.
    This is another proof that the Clintons are relying surrogates to to the heavy
    lifting for them, unlike how Barack is doing it himself. Isn't it time for the
    Clintons to do the dirty works themselves instead of relying on their loyal
    surrogates to serve them like their masters. Bill even tried to tacitly bribe a
    black Pastor with his red necktie to switch support from Barack but failed. The
    Clintons are so desperate to really appear as the first choice of black voters
    to create momentum in SC, but the fact is they are not, as Oprah have
    effectively neutralized them.

  • Posted By: dg17256 @ 01/04/2008 4:59:34 PM

    Sorry fellow constituents, I hate to rain on all of your political science jargon, but let???s keep it real and let???s keep it simple. Any one of the top three candidates represents change. Who are we kidding? They all have a particular appeal in one way or the other, but let???s face it ??? do we want another figurehead as President? Yes, Obama is hip, cool, and the feel good candidate. Do any of those qualities translate to change? Yes, by most of his supporters definition. Will they effect change pragmatically speaking? Not necessarily...correction, absolutely not! I do know that from an international perspective he would totally represent Western culture. I feel that of the three, Edwards and Clinton would promote a more respectable foreign policy. Personally, I would prefer Clinton for her experience in both Congress and the White House. We Democratic constituents were all better off under the previous Clinton administration, and there???s no reason to believe we would be again. The ideologies are not old, nor are the politics. Again, reality check, we study history for a reason ??? to learn from it. History shows that Clinton politics and Clinton ideologies work.

    • Posted By: Texayorker @ 01/04/2008 5:18:57 PM

      Obama is what the "youth" vote wants as its rock star, but I just can't see where he has the experience necessary to be president. Organizing churches in Chicago hardly translates into being leader of the free world. I just don;t want voters to get too much into a "anyone but a Republican" mindset to just blindly follow the first television-friendly candidate that comes along.

      • Posted By: Johnsonium @ 01/04/2008 5:37:48 PM

        First Lady doesn't give you the proper experience either. The whole "experience" factor is overblown. Obama will win.

    • Posted By: wyl5326 @ 01/04/2008 5:11:28 PM

      Hill continue to tout her experience and decided to compete in Iowa despite internal polls that reveals her high negatives. She thought she could just roll over this negative by her bunker mentality. She was proven to be Wrong Again ! This will only exacerbate her negatives as her "experience" haven't been good enough lesson for her, with her continued wrong-headedness ! That is exactly the bunker mentality she and Bush shared and yet she keep on bashing Bush as if Bush is still going to run this year ! Is her Alzheimer catching up to her wrinkles too that she forgets who her opponents are in the primary ?
      Despite with the biggest war chest, she can't establish a superb campaign machine that rivals Barack's machine that brought new voters in record numbers. This only goes to show that she is not as smart as people describe her added to the fact that she flunked the Bar exams twice ! Her smartness is apparently overrated subscribed by pygmies who were impressed by the size of a normal person.

    • Posted By: TominNC @ 01/04/2008 5:05:12 PM

      Another reason we study history is to not repeat mistakes. While Bill Clinton was a successful president (whether you agree or not), the situation and initial conditions today are not the same as when Bill took over. You cite Hillary's experience in the White House...I don't buy it.

  • Posted By: uuforyou @ 01/04/2008 5:36:42 PM

    McBush is old news.
    status quo, only more out of date.
    A loser in a CHANGE campaign.
    Next story.

  • Posted By: lvdragonlady @ 01/04/2008 5:35:11 PM

    She keeps talking about experience, bull. It is like hiring someone to use a new machine. Do you hire the one who only knows about 'old' machines or do you hire the new kid who may not know that much but will learn?

  • Posted By: wyl5326 @ 01/04/2008 5:33:45 PM

    Hill's conceding that Iowa was tough on her with excuses that others have
    long been campaigning there belies the fact that she started plotting her
    campaign ahead of Barack. Until she learned to consistently tell the whole
    truth and not half-truth, majority of voters will not trust her. That is the
    fact, but she refuses to admit that she is a congenital liar, and that will not
    change in her lifetime. Let us see in NH then when that environment is supposed
    to be her natural habitat where she could easily peddle her lies and
    exaggerated claims and not get challenged.

  • Posted By: steve02001 @ 01/04/2008 5:32:35 PM

    The theme for this years campaign is CHANGE, stupid (not experience), and Hillary and the Republicans cannot deliver on this; they are part of the old Clinton/Reagan/Bush era that has led this county for the last 20 years. Politics, like baseball, is all about timing; and Obama has tapped into that desire for CHANGE, and is ready to hit it out of the ball park, AND NO ONE CAN STOP HIM!!!

  • Posted By: wyl5326 @ 01/04/2008 5:23:45 PM

    Hill continue to tout her experience and decided to compete in Iowa despite internal polls that reveals her high negatives. She thought she could just roll over this negative by her bunker mentality. She was proven to be Wrong Again ! This will only exacerbate her negatives as her "experience" haven't been good enough lesson for her, with her continued wrong-headedness ! That is exactly the bunker mentality she and Bush shared and yet she keep on bashing Bush as if Bush is still going to run this year ! Is her Alzheimer catching up to her wrinkles too that she forgets who her opponents are in the primary ?
    Despite with the biggest war chest, she can't establish a superb campaign machine that rivals Barack's machine that brought new voters in record numbers. This only goes to show that she is not as smart as people describe her added to the fact that she flunked the Bar exams twice ! Her smartness is apparently overrated subscribed by pygmies who were impressed by the size of a normal person.

  • Posted By: sparky716 @ 01/04/2008 4:21:54 PM

    It an't over till the fat lady sings....as soon as the news people start looking at Obams record or should i say lack of a record...he hasn't been around long enough for anyone to know him things will change.The Republicans have said nothing about him because they would love to run aganist him.There scared to death of Hillary because she can and will win the election...by the way Bill may have smoked but Omaba did coke (but ole bush did to). ONLY TIME WILL TELL.

    • Posted By: Johnsonium @ 01/04/2008 5:07:46 PM

      You're wrong. People have shown that they think passion, charisma, and integrity are far more important than "experience". What experience does Hilary have by the way? The experience of being completely wrong about the war and refusing to admit it?

  • Posted By: AvgMom @ 01/04/2008 4:44:56 PM

    I have to agree with the Clinton camp. What do we know about Obama? He is a very articulate and charismatic person but how effective is he as a leader? He is a Junior Senator, afterall. Don't get me wrong, I think he's been great in bringing out the younger generation into this election but to get my vote, I need to know a little more. He does beat Hillary hands-down on a hell of a speech. I was very impressed. Hillary, on the other hand, lacked "heart" in the speech but she does have proven record and the experiences needed to lead. But is that enough? I, myself, is still on the fence. I guess I need to do some homework before November.

    • Posted By: Johnsonium @ 01/04/2008 5:05:09 PM

      Proven record of what? They both are relatively new Senators. Does being first lady give you presidential cred these days? The Clinton camp is doing what they do best. Spin. That's it. It's not truth, just painting the cold hard facts in the best possible light.

  • Posted By: IowaDemocrat83 @ 01/04/2008 4:53:08 PM

    When the pep rally ends and the kids go back to school, America (and hopefully New Hampshire) will wake up to the fact that Obama is great to listen to if you want a half-hour break from reality. He does little to address the serious issues this country is facing though. He's good at campaigning, missing 37% of the votes in the Senate is disgraceful. At least Hillary shows up to do the work she was elected to do.

    • Posted By: Johnsonium @ 01/04/2008 5:00:44 PM

      Make that 3 times.

  • Posted By: IowaDemocrat83 @ 01/04/2008 4:54:27 PM

    When the pep rally ends and the kids go back to school, America (and hopefully New Hampshire) will wake up to the fact that Obama is great to listen to if you want a half-hour break from reality. He does little to address the serious issues this country is facing though. He's good at campaigning, missing 37% of the votes in the Senate is disgraceful. At least Hillary shows up to do the work she was elected to do.

    • Posted By: Johnsonium @ 01/04/2008 5:00:28 PM

      Why do people keep posting things twice?

  • Posted By: IowaDemocrat83 @ 01/04/2008 4:56:02 PM

    When the pep rally ends and the kids go back to school, America (and hopefully New Hampshire) will wake up to the fact that Obama is great to listen to if you need a half-hour break from reality. He does little to address the serious issues this country is facing though. He's good at campaigning, but missing 37% of the votes in the Senate to do so is disgraceful. At least John and Hillary show up to work. Let's go NH!

    • Posted By: Johnsonium @ 01/04/2008 5:00:06 PM

      Hilary is Republican Lite and has none of the charm to sell it. That won't fly this go around. Obama will reign.

  • Posted By: TominNC @ 01/04/2008 4:53:43 PM

    What is Hillary's proven record? I believe she has a solid record as a lawyer and as a senator in NY. What are her other record highlights? I recall her being the first lady (not the president)...if marriage qualifies then let's bring out Barbara Bush. I recall Hillary failing miserably on the health care reform back in early/mid 90's...and she had the president's support on that one. So experience and record wise, I don't see her leaps and bounds above everybody else running.

  • Posted By: brizzle @ 01/04/2008 4:50:41 PM

    You have an error in your piece. You wrote, "Iowa doesn't typically pick presidents, the Clinton camp reminded reporters; the winner of the state's caucuses hasn't gone on to the White House since 1976."

    Of course, this is inaccurate. This is a case of the Clinton spin machine succeeding in lying to reports, who then buy the story hook-line-and-sinker. Here's the truth:

    In 2004, Bush won the caucuses and the white house.
    In 2000, Bush won the caucuses and the white house.
    In 1996, Clinton won the caucuses and the white house.
    In 1992, Harkin and Bush won, though Clinton won the white house.
    In 1988, Gephardt and Dole won.
    In 1984, Reagan won the caucuses and the white house.
    In 1980, Bush won the caucuses.
    In 1976, Carter won the caucuses and the white house.

    So, in the last 8 election cycles, the winner of the Iowa Caucuses has gone onto win the white house five (5) times...not this nonsense that the Clinton people are spewing.

    Please check your facts before reporting. This is shoddy workmanship.

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