MY TURN

Yes To Love, No To Marriage

I am committed to Jeff for life. I just don't need a piece of paper and a pretty white dress to prove it.

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  • Posted By: I am. @ 08/29/2008 7:55:03 AM

    The truth is, you and your mate don't want to commit to marriage, when you two decide to go seperate ways. And you will, go seperate ways.

    • Posted By: doodlemonsterchicken @ 06/02/2009 5:31:10 PM

      The divorce rate in the U.S is 50%, so it sounds like even if they do get married they have that chance of getting divorced anyway... marriage doesn't guarantee stability.

  • Posted By: gatto @ 01/07/2009 3:28:18 PM

    That's right, anti-establishment rebellion is certainly not what America was founded upon, nor is individualism. It's ever American's God-given duty to bow down before the (protestant) God, as well as the almighty dollar, and that wonderful idol, the flag. These comments make me laugh (and cringe).

  • Posted By: nwkerr2005 @ 12/21/2008 10:25:26 PM

    This is the liberal anti establishment rebellion that is destroying America. Good order and discipline couples with a sense of tradition is what made America the most productive country ever. Now we are living it on our own terms and a bunch of idividualism is what is destroying the fabric of our country.

  • Posted By: ewel1228 @ 12/15/2008 2:58:21 PM

    Why would we take the time to celebrate our birthday with a ceremony and the downgrade the eternal pledge and promise between a man and woman? The ill conceived notion that making a pledge before God and our loved ones makes no difference is sad to say foolishness. Marriage is a oneness that exists because it is recognized by God otherwise you are just dating.

  • Posted By: nnadine @ 08/26/2008 6:04:30 PM

    We are a man & woman and WE say Yes to Love, No to Marriage. We want God in our relationship, but not the government nor the church. Wewant to profess our love and lifetime commitment to each other. It's between us and God. We don't need anymore.

    And, our friend who will perform the commitment ceremony will pronounce us......Happily Unmarried.

  • Posted By: marieb02 @ 08/04/2008 1:18:16 AM

    We never commit to anything any more. We are a society of serial monogamy, not lifetime commitment. Say what you want, sister, you're commitment is lightweight next to taking the risk of a marriage. Spare me.

  • Posted By: alwaystheleo @ 05/20/2008 10:04:08 PM

    I was just having a discussion with my girlfriend about this.
    We too are committed to each other, but don't want to get married... it just doesn't carry the same meaning for us, as it does for other people.
    We tend to avoid the issue in conversation with others, because many people tend to be very unaccepting of the idea, which is reflected in some of the rude and hateful comments found here.
    When people find something that works for themselves, whether it be marriage, a hobby, or a philosophy, they feel that everyone else is somehow missing the boat.
    I have Rock climber friends who think that anyone NOT rock climbing just doesn't know what life is all about.
    But Rock climbing, like marriage, may not be right for everyone.
    For me and my girlfriend, it's encouraging to see that there are others out there who feel the same as us.
    It's validating... in the same way it's validating for anyone to hear their own voices reflected by other people.
    Thanks.

  • Posted By: bishop14 @ 05/01/2008 11:19:04 AM

    So essentially she IS still getting married---just not through the state (as gay people have been doing for years). The idea that this is somehow rebellious is absurd! If rejecting the trappings of marriage---the license, the white dress---while still having a ceremony and celebrating her relationship publicly---seems rebellious to her, it just shows how deeply entrenched she is in our wedding-obsessed culture.

  • Posted By: Average Jane @ 04/14/2008 8:22:34 AM

    Bravo to You! I'm glad you have a life-partner to share life's concerns with. The marriage ceremony is outdated & supremely patriarchal. True love does not need a ring, name-change, white dress & etc. It does need committent to a relationship, which sounds like Jeff & you have. Enjoy life & each other!

  • Posted By: dangertoy @ 04/14/2008 7:21:23 AM

    This woman may be bipolar. If you have a stand to take then take it. To say marriage is "not for me" is fine, but lets stop at pretending she is doing it because of some sanctimonious drivel such as the kind she spewed out here. Marriage is a commitment, a bond not easily broken, a symbolic joining of 2 people for life. If she was sure she was going to be with Jeff for life then why not marry? Who is this hurting? What rules are being imposed on her? I am married and no one is directing me on how to love my wife. I married her because at the end of my time I want the records to show that we had a historic bond, traceable by more than just word of mouth, a legacy to pass on to my children and all generations to follow. The actions of parents form a cycle that is passed down and splintered like gossip. Be careful what cycle you begin, it may not end for you the way you had hoped and may send your offspring wandering off lost and alone. I am willing to bet this woman's cycle did not begin with parents in a loving, honest marriage. She sounds like she is wandering lost and alone in her convoluted convictions. (oh wait, she brought Jeff there too).

  • Posted By: free_commentary @ 04/13/2008 7:21:41 PM

    This is ridiculous. What I am about to write is true - whether anyone likes it or not.

    This woman is not rebelling against society - she is rebelling against God because HE is the one who created marriage, one man to one woman, and it is Jesus Himself who taught the sacredness of marriage. THe problem with society is NOT the divorce rates. Divorce is just a huge symptom of a huger problem -- selfishness and lack of committment. She doesn't have to be so independant minded - perhaps she is proud, and created walls over time. She should do this Jeff a favor, because obviously he wants to get married - she should do the unselfish thing, and let him go.

    If there wasnt anything wrong, there wouldnt be a debate about an issue. Read "Mere Christianity" sometime and get some insight.

  • Posted By: digits2000 @ 04/13/2008 7:16:55 PM

    Pamalina needs to buy a vowel ( get a clue ). Just because you're in love but don't want to get married doesn't you bisexual or homosexual. It just means that you are comfortable in your relationship. I've been married and divorced 3 times and I'm still strictly heterosexual even though given the way I've been dumped on by my 3 ex-spouses I should probably be homosexual. Instead I have chosen to be alone so I don't have someone abusing me verbally or emotionally.

  • Posted By: Pamalina @ 04/13/2008 7:04:27 PM

    Comment: Bonnie sounds like a bisexual woman who won't get married because she wants to have her cake and eat it too (no punn intended).

  • Posted By: Pamalina @ 04/13/2008 7:02:18 PM

    Bonnie sounds like a bisexual woman who doesn't want marriage because she wants to have her cake and eat it too. (no punn intended).

  • Posted By: Pamalina @ 04/13/2008 7:00:51 PM

    Bonnie sounds like a bisexual woman who won't get married because she's wants to have her cake and eat it too (n punn intented).

  • Posted By: gatornan @ 04/13/2008 7:46:15 AM

    planning "daylong" event - how self-centered is that? this is bridezilla without a license. who gives up an entire day off for a wedding? these people can't be that central to so many people's live. I am guessing that watches will be checked...by hour three of this "daylong" deal.

  • Posted By: Speschalk @ 01/05/2008 8:54:56 PM

    All of her excuses are what one would call a cop out. I am all about same sex marriages, not just unions and everyone having the right to choose a partner. But I am so tired of people who are commitment phobic using that as an excuse not to be married until 'we are all equal'. Obviously, her parents are divorced as she said 'my parents and their spouses'. So she is a child of divorce, which is probably more of issue than she lends credence to. I too am an independent spirit. I traveled the US and overseas for years in my career as a nurse. Then I met the man of my dreams and wanted nothing more than to be called his 'wife'. Some people spout off about emotional commitments being more real than legal or religious ones because you are there without a law telling you you have to be. Whatever!! Just an excuse. If she really loved him, she would've accepted and made good on his proposal. No, he doesn't own you and nor does my husband own me. Quite the contrary. But I would never have it any other. Stop with the excuses. Even Gloria Steinem got married!

    • Posted By: starryeyedwonder @ 01/07/2008 6:58:44 PM

      To the person who commented that "if she really loved him, she would've accepted and made good on his proposal." - That's the stupidest thing I have ever heard. I understand that marriage is very important to you, and important to your relationship, but it's ludicrous to assume that it means the same to everyone else. Marriage is an institution that some people identify with and wish to participate in, and some people don't identify with it and would rather not participate. It is certainly not a measure of how much you love someone - what a ridiculous and outdated notion.

      • Posted By: marthawashington2 @ 01/12/2008 11:31:32 AM

        Editors: It seems as if you were short on content for this week's My Turn. What a low-quality article!

        • Posted By: The reader @ 03/13/2008 12:54:40 PM

          The Reader
          If her point of view is so unique, as well as their relationship and if her views are so situational that they do not even have any value for the society, why doesn't she just reserve them for herself? There could be plenty of situations why a person objects to some legal institution. One can have a phobia, one can have childhood trauma, one can have whatever.. So, his views are not quite rational... So, why publish them?
          And if the author anti-marriage view is rational, show me any real argument! Divorse rate?
          When will you people understand finally that it cannot be an argument against marriage?
          Is it not quite obvious to you that you find the false reason for the consequence? Imagine you drive safely in a parking lot and then, after receiving driver's licence got into a car accident... I guess you would think that the driver's license was the reason.
          If people's relationships fail, they fail with or without marriage. Why on earth blame the peace of paper if your commitment turned out to be not strong enough?
          Some of you people speak agains marriage because you anticipate your spouse may loose his job, become an alcocholic, etc. So, if that is an argument, why would't the author just admit it: she just do not want to be legally responsible for her husband.. And that is all! Why would she make this all stance that her devotion is as strong as hell?
          If the author feels she is not willing for full commitment and wants to reserve the room for manuevre, then I would have understood her point.
          Sincerely, one of the worst articles.

      • Posted By: Speschalk @ 01/12/2008 3:09:30 PM

        Ridiculous and outdated? I would hope that if I would've asked my husband to marry me first, he would honor our love and accept my proposal. Outdated and I am a liberal who is barely 30 years old.

  • Posted By: Cpeery4 @ 03/10/2008 8:42:57 PM

    Commitment ceremony? Sounds a lot like a wedding!

  • Posted By: MrsA @ 03/04/2008 6:25:31 PM

    Part 1 Marriage why not!

    Bottom Line, weather you are for same sex,hetoro,
    or bisex, or whatever. Marriage is the next step above
    "just seriously dating". And if one is not willing to
    make the next step up in a relationship don't belittle
    those who do. Although you may feel its not right
    for you, that doesn't mean we should go changing its
    significance and ridicule those who believe in it for
    any reason weather that reason is religious, legal,
    social or commercial. If marriage was not an extention
    of this world...And think about what I am about to say!
    Would it be filled with people not pre-exposed to any commitment
    values just as early humans were not hip to electrcity or
    running water. The answer is NO!

    Just because divorce rates are climbing that does not mean that
    marriage has lost its significance. Have you ever thought that
    society is changing...every year the number of working spouses
    (like my husband and I) are away from home and their children putting
    more hours in the office on the job than they put into their familes
    weekly. Its not that marriage is not the social norm, the social norm
    is not the norm. During the times of the early 1900's most
    families consisted of single incomes and now most hoseholds have
    dual incomes. Marriage is whatever you want it to be but mostly
    its a commitment between to adults. You seem to agree with that
    by the words of your article. Marriage consist of many things,
    not just the wedding dress,religion, rings, cake, kids, and husb/wifey
    title. If thats what you think marriage is then the problem is
    not marriage its your views on marriage. Its alot deeper than
    the material,commercial "TV depiction" but you probably wouldn't
    know that cause...You're NOT married. For you to say your relationship
    is no different than others, How do you know that? You act as if its
    superior.

  • Posted By: MrsA @ 03/04/2008 6:24:32 PM

    Part 2 Marriage why not
    Your reasons for not getting married makes absolutey no sense compared
    to that advantages of getting married. For example your words: " I don't want
    to send a message to anyone, including my daughter???who may someday choose a
    same-sex life partner" but, you wouldn't be mad if there were a custody
    battle over your child because you were not legally married to your partner
    and your child has to be with the next of kin. More of your words:
    "I don't need Jeff to say publicly that he loves me, because he says it privately,
    not just in words but in daily actions." Yet you feel the need to write this
    article an profess your love for him publicly on the internet because...?
    You should be glad you can choose your partner and be happy that its socialy
    acceptable now. You should probably educate yourself about marriage here is
    a link to lear about different types of unions http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage

    A actual marriage does feel different!...Trust me I was girlfriend for
    4 years, baby mama for 1 year, fiance for 1 year and now wifey.
    And like you I did not care to get married, wear a dress, plan for months,
    get my hair done and pick out colors and cake. What made me change my
    mind was my husbands desire for all of those things. HE proposed to me,
    looked forward to seeing me in a wedding gown, exchange rings ect. Marriage
    is not about you all the time and to think that is....SELFISH. If you don't
    see that then maybe you are not READY for marriage.

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