Inside Obama’s Dream Machine

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  • Posted By: sean2002 @ 01/07/2008 3:14:39 PM

    It is ironic. After all this support for Obama (you can check all my past record), I suddenly don't like Obama any more when he is in the edge of winning.

    I feel he is shrewd knowing how to win but I feel he is just another politician knowing how to put a good appearance.

    He also loves power just like every other politician.

    He also loves glory just like every other politician.

    He is lucky that he doesn't have any baggage because he is young and he is not around long enough to have any baggage.

    That's why he doesn't need to go negative, but that doesn't mean he is really that nice and decent because the bottom line he still wants to beat everybody and to grab that power.

    He has used all his advantage to against Clinton such as he is fresher (but that's nothing of course he is fresh considering that he hasn't been around longer). To me this is clever, but this is another way to show that he is actually cunny.

    I switch my support to Clinton because I can sense under all this "Hope," Obama is also ruthless wanting to win. And he is lucky without much record he doesn't need to go negative which makes him look better.

    • Posted By: just wondering @ 01/07/2008 3:29:44 PM

      He is SLICK. Watch him on the GMA interview with Diane Sawyer today, and pay special attention to the part where she asks him about the fact that his chair in NH is a drug company lobbyist. Speaking of double talk. Then Sawyer gives up and changes the subject. Turns out that the pharmaceutical lobbyist is only a STATE lobbyist, and the ones he doesn't want to have power are the Federally registered lobbyists.

  • Posted By: jperry2325 @ 01/07/2008 3:28:17 PM

    Why are we considering Obama, a congressman with only 2 years experience? Would a major corporation make a person who has been a management trainee for two years its CEO?

  • Posted By: vjg75235@msn.com @ 01/07/2008 3:28:11 PM

    The road to Hell was; and is still being paved with all sort of good intentions...The signs behind Obama shoujld read: ABANDON ALL HOPE ALL YE WHO WOULD ENTER HERE!!!
    Read it and weep all you misguided Obama supporters...You are all playing into the hands of the Republicans!

  • Posted By: SickofElectonAlready @ 01/07/2008 3:06:06 PM

    If Obama shuts Clinton out I'll vote for McCain the general election. Obama won't win with a slit and torn about democratic party. Some of the supporters who supported Hillary Clinton will vote republican and the race is so bitter already he won't be able to put the party back together again. I'll vote for McCain if Clinton loses the democratic nomination. I am a registered democrat.

  • Posted By: vjg75235@msn.com @ 01/07/2008 1:44:08 PM

    Oldgamer007 - posted: The youth showed up in record numbers for a reason. ...
    Friend, most of the youth of America are illiterate, and operate on an emotional level, with very little intellect or substance. They were swayed by the phantasy created by Oprah Winfrey, to whom Obama owes his Iowa win, and the following turbulent emotional hayride. This nation needs an intellectual giant to lead it out of the morass that Bush created, such as a Colin Powell, if it must be an African American. Unfortunately
    Obama is NOT the person for the job. He does not have any of the credentials! The continuing rhetoric that pours out of the Obama camp, ad infinitum, is built on a pile of emotional rubbish, and nothing else.
    If Obama wins the democratic nomination for President rest assured that this will accomplish one thing and that is to usher in four or perhaps eight more years of a republican president. Yes! the Republicans love Obama!

    • Posted By: ogrady88 @ 01/07/2008 2:54:45 PM

      As a member of the youth you speak of, I would like to say that we are not illiterate...in fact the millenial generation is one of the most politically active generations this country has seen for quite some time. We are passionate and concerned about the future of our country. I think this surge in youth votes is a great compliment to the nation, not something to fear. By 2015 the millenial generation will make up 1/3 of the population eligible to vote...here we come America! Sure, there are some of us who probably jumped on the Obama bandwagon due to his popularity, his endorsements, or some other rather superficial reason, but no more so than any other candidate. People are voting for Clinton just because she is a woman, they are voting for Huckabee because he is an evangelical minister. But there are other reasons we support Obama. He represents a candidate who shows an interest in the issues that college bound students care about, education, the environment, healthcare, among others. Don't assume that all youth are "emotional" voters...you may just be underestimating the potential this generation has.

  • Posted By: jake1110 @ 01/07/2008 2:52:58 PM

    accidentally got cut off there. Meant to say we're a 95% white population and more females voted than males, yet Obama won with 40% support.

  • Posted By: Andy from Minnesota @ 01/07/2008 2:51:59 PM

    From what I have seen so far, Obama is smart and articulate enough to handle any of the Republican candidates in the general election. He also has a charisma lacking in the other Democrats. Talent and skill trump lousy "experience" as far as the voting public is concerned, I think. This intelligence and charisma will also serve the US well on the international stage, especially if he picks a good VP and/or Secretary of State. Bill Richardson might be good in one of these positions.

  • Posted By: jake1110 @ 01/07/2008 2:51:11 PM

    Adam is correct in that Oprah had almost NO effect on voters. I caucused in Mt. Pleasant, Iowa for Obama and there was a record turnout. There was no talk of Oprah and I don't think half the people in the room knew about her endorsement of Obama. I am a college student and found many high school aged students along with college students there for Obama. In Henry county, we're a 95%

  • Posted By: phylissb @ 01/07/2008 2:49:01 PM

    Barack Obama is really an inspiring breath of fresh air in this dirty political environment. The american people are disgusted with what goes on in Washington. At least Obama has the desire to try and do things different because that is what most americans want now. We have been made to feel helpless and watch this run-away-train in Washington that has forgotten about the american people. I am hopeful for the first time in many years, and I thank Obama for inspiring that. Give him a chance because he seems to care about all people and not just some of the people. That is what the president should strive to achieve. What should it matter what color the president is. Blacks have voted for white presidents all of their lives. I am also bi-racial and society has treated me as black only, and so you learn to accept that and move on with how you are labeled. That is what Obama has done. Society gives us labels.
    Phyliss
    Phyliss

  • Posted By: jake1110 @ 01/07/2008 2:48:04 PM

    Adam is right about Oprah. I caucused for Obama in Mt. Pleasant, Iowa and there was a record turnout but absolutely no talk of Oprah. Oprah had almost NO effect on the voters, in fact I bet many had no idea she endorsed him. I am in my third year of college and I saw many high school aged students there too, all for Obama. In the southeast Iowa region, Henry county is 95% white and had a higher female turnout, yet Obama still won.

  • Posted By: CanadianinAmerica @ 01/07/2008 2:44:27 PM

    Re. 'admitting to be bi-racial': Is this an appropriate posting for this message board?? i find it astounding that so much ill will, bigotry, and small-mindedness exists in a country which has dubbed itself a "melting pot", and the "greatest country on earth". What does it matter if Obama was raised by his mother, grandparents, knew little of his father, or that he is bi-raciai? Who cares??? Nobody on this message board, I hope. And, do you really think that Tiger Woods discusses his parentage in terms of 'admitting' to being bi-racial?? My, what a poisonous pen some of these writers wave. I hardly think either Woods or Obama feel they must "admit" to being anything other than focused on a single purpose. I thought this was a forum to discuss the article. Shame on readers for using this message board as a platform for their narrow minded rants.

  • Posted By: just wondering @ 01/07/2008 10:48:49 AM

    II am wondering why Obama is being called a "black candidate" when he is half white, his mother is a white woman. I am surprised that the press doesn't refer to him, at the most, as bi-racial. Obama will be vetted, just as all candidates eventually are, I hope that this happens before he is chosen as the dem candidate, and not afterwards.

    • Posted By: thsu @ 01/07/2008 12:30:26 PM

      The same has been done to Tiger Woods who is half Asian, which you never hear.. This is left over from the 19th century when any ounce of black blood would mark you as black. Perhaps with Obama, Americans and the world will finally be forced into a new paradigm about race labeling.

      • Posted By: ClassyChic @ 01/07/2008 2:10:44 PM

        The difference is that Tiger actually admits to being bi-racial. He tells people that he wants to be referred to as bi-racial rather than black. However, Obama wants to be called black. I'm assuming this is also political strategy to win black voters. I'm sure if he referred to himself as bi-racial, he'd lose a substantial amount of support from the black community.

    • Posted By: DrumMajorForJustice @ 01/07/2008 1:03:50 PM

      I consider Sen. Obama a bi-racial candidate as well; however, the historical convention practiced in the USA has been that any amount of ancestral African blood, renders one black as far as race is concerned. Personally, I'm comfortable seeing him as an American intellectural.

    • Posted By: thsu @ 01/07/2008 12:32:20 PM

      This has also been done with Tiger Woods, who is half Asian, which one never hears. Perhaps with Obama, the country and the world will finally be forced to create a new paradigm for the labeling of race.

  • Posted By: adam in iowa city @ 01/07/2008 2:00:18 PM

    Just wondering,

    Yes, in Iowa we let anyone who will be old enough to vote by the general election caucus, so long as they register for that party at or before the caucus.

    VJG5235: wow, that's a telling bit of hatred and bitterness for American youth. No wonder HRC is faring so poorly with the under-50 crowd. Doesn't get more establishment than that.

    As far as your Oprah-Iowa theory, what's your evidence? Were you at the Iowa caucuses? As an Iowa independent, I followed the race very closely, and participated in our caucus. Oprah's influence came up exactly zero times. How much does she influence white, male, middle-class voters, who support Obama over HRC? Not much. Before you spew bitterness and uninformed opinions, do a little research, and maybe speak to what you know or can back up with facts and sources.

  • Posted By: MarkSmith @ 01/07/2008 1:59:42 PM

    I am a well travelled businessman from Australia. American economy and foreign policy has a lot of affect on my own business. In my 28 years of travel, I had never seen so much hate for America in almost every corner of the world as I have seen in the past 6 years, thanks to Bush. However, in the past few months, in Australia, South Pacific nations and in Europe, there is not a single person I meet in my business circles that doesnt talk and hope that Barack Obama wins the Presidency. Everyone who I talk to and listen to has the same opinion and a LOT of people in Australia are also hoping for the same.

    Coming to the experience issue: Who cares? The so called experienced politicians have not done what the "inexperienced" ones have done throughout history. At defining moments in human history, great personalities have taken charge of their people for a common good and have etched their names into history like Jesus, Gandhi, JFK, MLK, etc I hope Americans get their wits back again and elect Obama so that the image of America can once again be restored.

  • Posted By: irelandsforobama @ 01/07/2008 1:56:29 PM

    Message to mjg75235@msn.com it was only a few days ago that I had another republican tell me that they hoped Hillary would win because they knew ANY Republican could beat her. Our youth in this county is not illiterate and how dare you say so. You are slandering our teachers and our youth and if I had to guess from your comments I would dare say you are a racist. Thank God for men like Barack Obama as he believes that even you have your right to your own opinion.

  • Posted By: Joelhere @ 01/07/2008 1:38:56 PM

    Since the heady days of Kennedy and McCarthy, our generation's interest in government has been about little more than the pragmatics of politics.
    It's downright exciting to be reading about hopes and ideals again.




























































    I almost wonder that if, secretly, many of our generation are getting goosebumps seeing history unfold as it is, having only dared dream that it ever again could or would.

  • Posted By: betham @ 01/07/2008 1:16:22 PM

    Some of you are talking about "change vs. experience". Change is very necessary I believe. And experience is'nt necessarily good. We don't need anymore career politicians who claim they have all the experience. We need someone who is truly concerned about this country and the American people.

    • Posted By: just wondering @ 01/07/2008 1:30:39 PM

      I have a sickening feeling in the pit of my stomach that, indeed, the candidates for president in 2008 are going to be chosen via the criteria of 1 word soundbites like "change",. "experience", "hope". If so, we get what we deserve.

  • Posted By: Der Banus @ 01/07/2008 1:27:06 PM

    So sad that the level of intellect in the U.S. is so low that we've come to this... Yes, Americans are weary of thee most bitterly partisan period of government history in recent memory. Thus a well tuned "message of hope', adroitly delivered, is very appealing. A well spoken, sincere and attractive person of some stature delivers this message with enthusiasm and everyone gets filled with excitement at the possibilities......Suckers ! This is no time for nonsense, the country is in big trouble and only hardheaded problem solvers with experience will be able to get the job done. Mr. Obama is a smart man, a convincing public speaker ( part actor, part snake-oil salesman - the very definition of a great politician ). Hear the campaign rhetoric and fall under it's spell at your peril America - you who voted for the "likeable" Mr. Bush in 2000 and 2004. Fool me once, shame on you - twice and it's shame on me , America (PS - elect the slippery and inexperienced Mr. Obama and it's "fool me Thrice"- may as well also say- '... the future be hanged !").

  • Posted By: betham @ 01/07/2008 1:04:20 PM

    I think Obama is right on target on everything that he says and stands for. It's refreshing to see someone who is not the "establishment" surge ahead. I'm a Republican who will vote for Obama.

    • Posted By: just wondering @ 01/07/2008 1:22:45 PM

      A democratic senator is not "of the establishment"? A candidate like Obama who has a pharmaceutical lobbyist running his campaign in NH is not "of the establishment"? The only reason he is able to get away with the illusion that he is not "of the establishment is that the press is giving him a pass. Whether or not a candidate is "of the establishment", they'd better learn pretty darn quickly how to deal with "the establishment" or we are in big big trouble.

  • Posted By: betham @ 01/07/2008 1:12:02 PM

    I am a lifelong republican who is very upset with the party as a whole. We have the neo-cons who think that Bush is great. We have the religious right who seem to think they are the only ones that are right. I'm supporting Edwards who will probably not make it. But I can also support Obama. Why? Both Edwards and Obama stand for everything that is good and right for this country. We don't need wars to profve we are a power. We need a good solid economy again and healthcare for the poor and more affordable healthcare for the middle class. And that's what I see coming down the pike if either one of these 2 win. I think an Obama/Edwards ticket would be unstoppable.

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