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  • Posted By: RogerDB @ 01/06/2008 5:46:29 PM

    Hey, to all of you "devout" christians whith the hateful, comments on Mormonism, you need to realize a couple of things. First of all, most of you are acting like children who cant even vote anyway. Second of all, the only reason you are spewing your venom is because mormons have different beliefs than you. Remember HITLER? The KKK? The TALIBAN? If you haven't realized that you are thinking along these same lines YET, well then let me be the first to tell you. The only reason that you HATE Mormons is because they have a different set of religious beliefs than you. Just because you were born to a Christian family, or even "Born Again" and you've had Christian beliefs shoved down your throat for whatever amount of time, doesn't mean that it is the RIGHT belief, and it's certainly not the ONLY set of beliefs out there. Anyway, this country was founded on the FACT that ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL, and that we should all be able to practice whatever religion we want, and BELIEVE whatever we want. For centuries men have been KILLING each other in the name of Religion, slaying anyone with different beliefs. Our forefathers were smart enough to know that killing, or prosecuting others because of their beliefs is WRONG. Thats what makes America so STRONG. They were also smart enough to know that THEY WERE NOT PERFECT, and made our laws subject to change whenever the people of our nation see fit. (that means me and you) They knew that times will change, and the laws that they set forth in 1776, probably wont apply in the year 2007, and in the interest of human progression made it so our laws and rules of government could grow with the country as it progresses. The bottom line: Hating someone or judging someone based solely on their religion should have DIED with the crusades. Unfortunately, religious hate is as rampant today as it was then. Thank god we have laws in place to prevent religious bigots like BryanDB from killing people with different beliefs because if we didn't, they would. Don't let Mitt Romneys religion be the factor in your vote. Vote on his character, his accomplishments, and his promises, and if you still don't like him, fine. I for one haven't decided yet and am keeping an open mind. by the way, I am a true Christian, and I don't hate ANYONE.

    • Posted By: Lorri @ 01/06/2008 6:11:12 PM

      Enter Your Comment: Well stated RogerDB!!

      • Posted By: BryanDB @ 01/06/2008 6:30:19 PM

        Ya that was really inspirational. Especially since you use tactics akin to russian Limbaugh. I guess freedon doesn't extend to those who disagree witha a religious belif. Instead you make ridiculous statements that show your ignorance. Accordining to idiot like you if you don't agree with a belief you automatically want them killed. Your type of arguements are dangerous to a free nation. No --I do not believe in the Mormon doctrine, nor do I believe in the Baptist Catholic , Jewish or Islamic Doctrine. But for those that do I say god for you and it is fine with me. BUT do not push your doctrines on me. If your religion, and the Mormon religion is among those that do, sets doctrine that will influence their political beliefs then I do not support them for political office. According to you that makes a person a nazi bigot or whatever other hate filled name you can think of. Well shame on you. You are the type of person who would be the first to limit freedom's. Bottom Line if a person's political beliefs mirror their religious beliefs then they will not get my support.

        • Posted By: RogerDB @ 01/07/2008 12:01:26 AM

          Bryan, I picture you as an immature, hateful little child. Nice try but there is no way to justify hating people with different beliefs. If all you can do is call me "stupid' or "Idiot" then this is the last response I'm gonna give you. I don't want to waste my time with a hateful little girl/ boy who can't make any valid points, but instead spews childish insults. If you are fine with the beliefs of others, then keep your spiteful opinions to yourself and stop insulting people because of what they think. All Im sayinig is that you are taking religion too far and people like you belong in the dark ages where religious hate was far more prominent than it is today. A more intelligent and modern man sets these things aside and forms opinions based on what they experience rather than what they believe in. What you forget is how insignificant your bigoted little opinion is to anyone but yourself. Id hear you out more if you made any sense at all.

          • Posted By: RogerDB @ 01/07/2008 12:40:34 AM

            Wait a sec, before you go on the defensive, or attack my comment, I'd like to apologize for suggesting that you would kill people for their beliefs. I was only using you as an example of people who are not tolerant to the beliefs of others. As a self proclaimed "religious bigot" you definitly fit the stereotype of one who would persecute others for what they think, but it doesn't mean that you would. Your comments do nothing more than expose your unease with folks who don't go to your "Church." By the way, what religion do YOU think our next president should have?

        • Posted By: rebeccarowley @ 01/06/2008 7:30:20 PM

          I guess if you don't understand something then the best way to get rid of it or is to attach it. I think religion needs to be left out of this.

  • Posted By: TruthJusticeLiberty @ 01/06/2008 4:06:54 PM

    When I look at men who are running to be the president of the united states, to lead and guide this country, and all I see is Romney sticking to issues, and his counterparts focusing on him, it is a symptom of fear on the part of Romney's rivals. There is so much misinformation about mormons and several of the "facts" about their beliefs that have been posted are untrue. And as for the ones that are, we are not focusing on all the facts. Whether the mormoexamples of the others doing the same which get little focus as a negative because of their gang up on Romney. I've known Mormons all my life and as an ever learning man of many religions I can say that if Romney truly has any of the class, forthrightness, or determination that my Mormon friends do because of what their religion teaches them about the importance of having such characteristics, in other words if he really lives by the creeds of his religion, there will be no beWhen I look at men who are running to be the president of the united states, to lead and guide this country, and all I see is Romney sticking to issues, and his counterparts focusing on him, it is a symptom of fear on the part of Romney's rivals. There is so much misinformation about mormons and several of the "facts" about their beliefs that have been posted are untrue. And as for the ones that are, we are not focusing on all the facts. Whether the mormons believe in multiple wives or not, what I see is many men who are running who can???t even show loyalty to the one wife they have. It???s been shown in recent months there have been acts of infidelity on the parts of many of the candidates who now attack Romney for his beliefs. But what do their actions say about their beliefs? If they can???t even be loyal to their wives how can we expect loyalty towards us the American people. I've known Mormons all my life and as an ever learning man of many religions I can say that if Romney truly has any of the class, forthrightness, or determination that my Mormon friends do because of what their religion teaches them about the importance of having such characteristics, in other words if he really lives by the creeds of his religion, there will be no better candidate to be President!

    • Posted By: BryanDB @ 01/06/2008 4:16:15 PM

      I wonder why the vast vast majority of Mormons support Romney if they are such open minded free thinking individuals. Romney is trying to use his wealth and the wealth of the Mormon Church along with the church's supporters to get elected. If you don't think that the Mormon Church will influence his decisions the we are all in trouble.

      • Posted By: bjrcls2001 @ 01/07/2008 12:39:52 AM

        An interesting comment BryanDB ... I am LDS, and I support Romney. My wife is LDS, and she supports Clinton (and in fact she thinks Romney is an arrogant snob). Trust me, there is no vast vast majority supporing Romney in my home, and in fact it is this type of free thinking that causes me great angst, and I love it. :-)

      • Posted By: JOBRAIL @ 01/06/2008 6:53:30 PM

        I became a Mormon at the age of 44. I like Mitt. I know Mormons that do not. We do have the right, no, the obligation to make our own decisions about politicians.

      • Posted By: gemk @ 01/06/2008 5:03:16 PM

        The Mormon Church does not support any political candidate and stays out of politics to such a degree that each election year a statement is given out to the members reminding them that chuch facilities, membership lists, e-mail lists and the such are NOT to be utilized for ANY political activity. I know some very conservative Mormons and I know some very liberal Mormons, all of which vote their conscience, not as directed by the church, so why would Romney be controlled by the LDS church???

      • Posted By: mr-red @ 01/06/2008 4:43:44 PM

        Haha its funny that you think that the "Mormon Church" would finance his eletion. You obviously dont know that the "Mormon Church" does not support any one candidate, they come out and say that. Now many members of the church may support him, but the church is not financing anything or telling Mormons to vote for Romney. Your dumb.

        • Posted By: BryanDB @ 01/06/2008 4:54:53 PM

          Ya right and the tooth fairy is leaving him his money. Thew Mormon Church does support Romney by having meetings and fund drives by their members. They may not support him from the pulpit but they do through the back door. And if you try and get us to believe otherwise then you must think we are truly stupid. I know several mormon elders who have regular church member meetings to fund raise and otherwise support his campaign.

          • Posted By: mr-red @ 01/06/2008 5:02:15 PM

            Then they do so on their own accord. It would be the same thing as the a group of supporters for Hilary went out and did a fund-raiser, your just so focused on being a Mormon Hater that you cant see past your own nose.

  • Posted By: acosio @ 01/06/2008 3:51:32 PM

    First of all let's get the record straight. Mormons are NOT Christians. They are NOT part of the true bible believing church. Who in the world would anyone want a person to be the president that doesn't even acknowledge this simple fact? Most Mormon "missionaries" that come to your door will try to convince you that they are "Christians." Think about it. They are misleading the public. So Mr. Romney is no different!
    He is not being truthful about the Mormon church not influencing him, and the power grab. This reveals the deception of Romney and this so-called christian religion. Mormonisim must not be in the position of power in the White House! This would be a disaster. We do not need a cult member as President.
    I lived in a heavily Mormon area in North Eastern Arizona, and it is sickening to see the nepatisim, religious bigotry, and the way they "control" local politics. It is just sickening. It's time to speak up before it is too late!
    It is strange how everyone is afraid to speak the truth in the "PC" culture without fear of repriasal!
    It's time to speak out and make a stand. No Romney in the White House in 2008!

    • Posted By: Lorri @ 01/06/2008 4:06:03 PM

      Here is another misinformed person making statements that he/she knows nothing about. If you knew the facts, you could not make such statements. Cult: fad, fly by night, etc. the Mormon religion is over 200 years old. Get a grip!. "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints", not christian? What part of Jesus Christ don't you understand? Please do not confuse the fundalmentalist Mormons of Northern Arizona with the main stream Mormons - again, get your facts right before you try to sound intelligent!! I've been kneeling down in prayer since a young child, praying in the name of Jesus Christ, all my lessons in Sunday School were of Jesus Christ. You see large Christus statues of Jesus Christ in our Temples - where the heck are you coming from? Again, get your facts straight before you speak out about a religiion you obviously know NOTHING about. You need to join up with others on this site that would kill families because they don't like their religion. Stick to the facts babe and start focusing on the issue of who's the best man/woman to be the leader of this country and stop bashing religions. I will be sure to pray for you, IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST. And if you haven't guessed by now I AM A MORMON!!

      • Posted By: spomonti @ 01/06/2008 4:31:02 PM

        Lorri, you are correct that the Mormon religion is over 200 years old-- in fact, it is over 2000 years old. It is the restored church of Jesus Christ, the same as the one that existed when he lived on earth. It is the only church with the same structure as that organized by Christ. Don't sell it short that is over 200 years old, since it is the church with the same authority that God gave to Adam, which is to say, it is the original Christian Church

        • Posted By: Ken Hoyt @ 01/07/2008 12:38:34 AM

          "in fact" oh please.

    • Posted By: joe_from_minnesota @ 01/06/2008 4:31:38 PM

      To ascio:

      First of all, what makes you the authority on who is and is not Christian? Does not the Bible state that the intents of our hearts are known unto God? Sure you have the legal right to state your unfounded believe that members of the "Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-Day Saints" are not Christian, but before the GOD of Heaven, I speak for myself that I am a devout Christian, seeking to emulate His life's teachings. Sure I come short of the glory of God. That is the beauty of His grace. I am sorry if your experience with members of the faith was not up lifting and did not bring the joy of fellowship into your life. The members of the church are clearly not perfect. I have not ever heard any claim to be so. As for Mitt Romney, he needs to speak for himself, but as for me, my alegence is to the Son of God, the Savior of the world, who was with the Father in the beginning. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is a good church that seeks to up lift its members.

    • Posted By: mr-red @ 01/06/2008 4:30:33 PM

      Mr Acosio, i find it interesting to see that you speak of "religous bigotry", when your entire blog is just that. None of your blog has any fact and is entirely your opinion. You are not basing Romney on his qualifications, only his religion, which makes you a hypocrite. Now im not saying that he is the best candidate, but I am saying that people like you are retarted judging people on their religion. Ha i find it ridiculous that you believe you can make such statements as "Mormons are not Christians" and they are a "cult" just because you lived in a Mormon area. This does not mean that you know their faith and have any idea of what they believe in, since you obvioulsy dont. Oh and by the way, how lame of you to post the same thing like 3 or 4 times.

  • Posted By: Ken Hoyt @ 01/06/2008 4:03:49 PM

    The problem is, as presented by the LDS missionaries and the slick TV ads on the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, it does seem like God, Country, mom and apple pie. But if one has actually lived in a mormon dominated area as many of us have the differences become clear--'join or be ostricized.' If you haven't investigated the facts your ignorance is to their advantage. Be informed, if you are not ask questions, read, research, investigate find out for yourself. The Mormon church regularly and routinely excommunicates members for all manner of trifle, with Mitt in the white house it wouldn't surprise me if americans were excommunicated from the USA for all and any manner of trifle. Under morman doctrine, everything a man owns, including his family, business and property belong to the church.This man owes his allegiance to the
    church---ask him. It would be unwise to elevate a person of this persuasion the highest office in the land.

    • Posted By: Lorri @ 01/06/2008 5:17:40 PM

      Mr. Ken Hoyt - you state you are informed - yet you speak with such venom about a goodly people. Were you excommunicated? Revengful maybe? Excommunication is a means of repentence. It is an act of love for those that have committed serious sins. Through excommunication, the slate is wiped clean and those who have been excommunicated can start on the road back to righteous living. I was once excommunicated for a serious sin. As I went through my steps of repentance, I was shown love and understanding by the members of my church. There was no shunning, no ostrisizing - only love. I am so sorry that you have such hatred towards the LDS people. May the Savior soften your heart to all other people who do not belive as you do. God Bless You.

      • Posted By: Ken Hoyt @ 01/07/2008 12:37:14 AM

        Lorri, that was lame. One can only guess what your sin was. Hey as a consolation prize, I'll send you an autographed book, Under The Banner of heaven by Krakauer.

  • Posted By: Ken Hoyt @ 01/06/2008 5:15:40 PM

    The mormons are coming out of the woodwork, all have the same babble, must have been by smokesignal, or mormon telegraph. I guess I got the name wrong, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Osterich's

    • Posted By: mr-red @ 01/06/2008 5:45:55 PM

      Hmmm maybe its because people such as yourselves diss their religion? could that be it? of course it is! your pissing people off! And i agree with you that this isnt the place for Mormons to talk or bear their testimony, but only because people like you treat what is sacred to them like dirt. Their pearls should not be cast to the swine, or in other words, you.

      • Posted By: Ken Hoyt @ 01/06/2008 6:01:12 PM

        Mr Red,
        It is 'yourself', people such as yourself, I am only one (singular.) Capitalize C in could. Capitalize Y in your which incidentally is You're, not your. Cap I, etc. isn't not isnt. Education my man. You obviously came to do a battle of wits but you showed up only half prepared.

        • Posted By: mr-red @ 01/06/2008 6:21:24 PM

          Hmmm, not inserting an apostrophe and not capitilizing a couple of words makes me a moron then huh? Haha I'm pretty sure thats not the case. Oh and it's cool that you are acting all smooth, I'm sure that gives you bonus points to people that are reading this, not! Ha your not fooling anyone. Oh and did you notice that i made sure to put an apostrophe in I'm, just to make you happy? Feel better now?

          • Posted By: Ken Hoyt @ 01/07/2008 12:31:54 AM

            No, you forgot the ' in that's and to cap your I.

        • Posted By: Lorri @ 01/06/2008 6:35:39 PM

          Enter Your Comment: Ken Hoyt, so you are a witty man. Doesn't make you less of a bigot. I feel so very sorry for people like you. That kind of hatred must just eat you up inside. So Mr. Red isn't as educated as "yourself", so you are into attacking less educated people now. God help you.

    • Posted By: Lorri @ 01/06/2008 6:32:08 PM

      Enter Your Comment: To Ken Hoyt - you are too funny for words......take your bigotry elsewhere and stick to the political issues. You are causing yourself to sound so very stupid. Mormons are defending themselves from your hateful and misinformed comments. Can't you find something better to do with your time......like maybe repent to the God who made you? You are being so very unChrist-like. Or maybe you don't believe in God or Christ and you just want to bash those that do. Take your anti-Mormon comments back to wherever you learned them and behave yourself!!

      • Posted By: Ken Hoyt @ 01/07/2008 12:30:22 AM

        Lorri, you appear blinded by your doubt. Step back and ask yourself, if Utah was so upholding of the country and the constitution, then why did the federal Government invade Utah, set up a fort and train it's guns on Salt Lake City in 1857?

    • Posted By: GiveMeFreedom @ 01/06/2008 7:40:12 PM

      It is very interesting that when a fool has nothing to contribute to a discussion they resort to insults. We are looking for the best person to represent this country as President. I don't think mud slinging is a qualification that should really count.

    • Posted By: pianistjud @ 01/06/2008 6:03:06 PM

      Enter Your CommentLet me know what your religion is (if you have one because you're definitely not a Christian) and I'll think up a new name for you.

  • Posted By: Ken Hoyt @ 01/06/2008 5:33:28 PM

    Didn't President (of the LDS church) and secretary of agriculture under Eisenhower say, and I quote, "I don't see how anyone could be a good democrat and a mormon." Just curious. Does anyone know how many democrats or independent elected offivcials hold office in Utah and Idaho?

    • Posted By: Lorri @ 01/06/2008 6:24:36 PM

      Enter Your Comment: To Ken Hoyt: I know you are a bigot, but a bigot without a sense of humor?? Oh my gosh! I heard those comments and they were meant to be humorous. My how you can twist things to suit your agenda!!

      • Posted By: Ken Hoyt @ 01/07/2008 12:26:30 AM

        Lorri, did he or did he not make the remark?

    • Posted By: Patrik08 @ 01/06/2008 5:57:42 PM

      Congressman Jim Matheson (D-Utah, 2nd District); US Sen. Harry Reid (D-NV) the Senate Majority Leader. Many local government officials, including both the Mayors of Salt Lake City and of Salt Lake County, Utah are Democrats. Utah has previous elected Governors that were Jewish, Catholic and Protestant (Maw, Kearns, Dern) and Mormon Democrats like Matheson and Rampton. The late Wayne Owens (D-Utah) voted to impeach Nixon while on the House Committee investigating Watergate. The late Frank Church (US Sentator, D-Idaho) was both Mormon and left-leaning. Just because many Utah area Mormons are Republicans does not mean that Mormons interested in politics and patriotism are in lock-step with them.

      • Posted By: Doc Cisco @ 01/06/2008 6:32:24 PM

        Thanks Patriko8 - It was a more complete list than most could have put together for any state. Way to know your history.

      • Posted By: Ken Hoyt @ 01/06/2008 6:12:49 PM

        Thanks for the reply. I appreciate the enlightenment.

    • Posted By: utahlee @ 01/06/2008 5:59:49 PM

      As a person from Utah, i can tell you that there is not enough Democrats. Members of the church are ultra conservative and flock to the elections. We as democrats have no voice in politics. The church says that it has no opinion on legislative matters, but its members on the legislature do vote their bias. Case and point, Health and Human Services director Mile Leavitt was one that kep trying to mix religion and politics, there is documents thatr have just been released that his staff had seminary meetings and that his religion influenced his leadership as the governor of Utah. Mitt will do the same too, it is his nature along with Huckabee too.

  • Posted By: anothervoice @ 01/06/2008 5:42:15 PM

    "i will never vote for a MORMON" "i hate MORMONS" "a MORMON will never be my PREZ"

    Wonderful wisdom from a Huckabee supporter. The founding fathers went to war because of intolerant bigots like you.

    • Posted By: Lorri @ 01/06/2008 6:14:29 PM

      Enter Your Comment: To anothervoice: Crawl back under the rock you came from. America does not need people like you. May God soften you heart. Hatred is a cancer that will eat your insides out. Didn't your moma teach you anything?

      • Posted By: Ken Hoyt @ 01/07/2008 12:24:50 AM

        Lorri, I'll trade you a book, 'The God Makers' for one of your favorite fruit-jello-salad-with-the-floaties recipes. Let me know.

    • Posted By: rise2hope @ 01/06/2008 7:20:27 PM

      using the word hate surely says alot .... I'm for HUCKABEE but I sure am not a proud supporter such as yourself... I humble myself first to GOD, then my country.... You need to rethink your thought of hate....

  • Posted By: jr3nyc @ 01/06/2008 11:56:03 PM

    If you want an informed opinion on Romney, I strongly urge you to visit...

    www.newsmax.com/kessler/romney/2007/12/26/59790.html

    • Posted By: Bareu @ 01/07/2008 12:20:37 AM

      Check Out the author before believing this hogwash

  • Posted By: Ahthornt @ 01/06/2008 3:40:01 PM

    I am deeply disappointed in this nation of evangelical bigots. It appears many republicans are not willing to support the constitution when it comes to a person's religion. Are the evangelicals such blind sheep as to follow their religious leaders who support a candidate that has no possibility of winning against the demarcates? Do they think that supporting Huckabee is going to help protect us against gay, and abortion rights activists?
    In addition have the republican people become so ignorant as to believe the skewed views of the main stream media. This very MSN web page is full of liberal views. The media will only help strengthen the republican candidates that they know will loss to the democrats and belittle or ignore the candidate that is brilliant enough and moral enough to beat the democrats. People, use your brains and investigate each candidate on your own, do not trust the media.

    • Posted By: Want A Change @ 01/06/2008 5:10:21 PM

      The basic tenet of all religions is to have their 'blind sheep' faithfully at their side as they push the organizations agenda and not necessarily the agenda of the people following the faith. Organized religion believes that God (or whatever they call him/her) is above the Constitution instead of subserviant to it. The President puts his hand on a Bible and swears to uphold the Constitution, not the other way around. This is what makes our country so unique. I don't care if our next President is a man, woman, Christian, Muslim, Hindu or Atheist as long as he/she upholds the consitution and crushes the status-quo we are suffering from in Washington. I'm sick and tired of the Rabid Right holding their heads up while running rip-shod over the constitution. They claim to be holier-than-thou when it comes to rightousness yet they forget how many men and women have died defending the constitution when they want to put in their pockets to drive their agenda. End the madness and vote for serious change.

      • Posted By: bjrcls2001 @ 01/07/2008 12:18:53 AM

        "We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law." Article of Faith 12 of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (the "Mormons")

        I will not try to speak for other religions but the LDS church does not teach that God is "above" the Constitution. Rather, it teaches that God inspired the Constitution and we ought to do everything in our own personal power to uphold it. Isn't it great to know that if Mitt were elected President, not only would he be duty-bound by his own personal oath to uphold the Constitution, but he would also be duty-bound to keep that oath by his religion and his personal relationship with God? I think so.

    • Posted By: BryanDB @ 01/06/2008 3:55:03 PM

      There is not a repubnik candidate worthy of the nomination. They are neocons who have continually lied. Check "factcheck.org to see how they have misconstrued or down right lied about their records. You talk about media being liberal biased. I guess we should all listen to Fox News. LOL. Should be called Fox Slanted News.

  • Posted By: Visitor on Earth @ 01/07/2008 12:09:43 AM



    While those of you who think Mormonism is a freakish religion clash with those of you who are Mormons, both would profit to read the article "Smith, Joseph" from the universally esteemed Encyclopaedia Britannica (ed. 1996), which begins as follows:

    Quote

    Smith, Joseph

    originally JOSEPH SMITH, JR. (b. Dec. 23, 1805, Sharon, Vt., U.S. -- d. June 27, 1844, Carthage, Ill.), American prophet whose writings, along with the Bible, provide the
    theological foundation of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and other Mormon denominations.

    Smith grew up in western New York at a time of intense religious revivalism. He was a literate but unschooled lad from a large family, and his neighbours at Palmyra, N.Y.,
    remembered him as a diviner who dug for buried treasure.

    One day in the woods, at the age of 14, Joseph Smith experienced what he conceived to be an intense spiritual revelation of God and Jesus Christ.

    In 1827 he claimed that an angel had directed him to buried golden plates whose engraved surfaces contained a history of the American Indians describing them as descendants of Hebrews who centuries earlier had sailed to North America by way of the Pacific. This Book of Mormon he translated from "reformed Egyptian" with the aid of special stones. Published in 1830, the book was offered by him as scientific evidence of his divine calling. Most non-Mormon scholars, however, regard the book as a collection of local legends of Indian origin, fragments of autobiography, and current religious and political controversies (especially that connected with the Anti-Masonic movement), all transformed with remarkable ingenuity into a religious document.

    Unquote


    Elsewhere, in the article " Mormon ", it says"

    " polygamy, which was practiced by Smith himself and by most leading Mormons until, under pressure from the federal government, the practice was given up. The Mormon way of life is still distinguished by order and respect for authority, church activism, strong conformity within the group, and vigorous proselytizing and missionary activities. "

  • Posted By: diamond@truch0768 @ 01/07/2008 12:09:02 AM

    The other candidates show their true character, i.e. their true lack of character when they accuse and make defamatory character assassinations about Mr. Romney changing his position on certain issues. They are deceiving voters when they say or infer that Mr. Romney changed his position on these few issues and then changed positions again and again. The fact is Mr. Romney changed his position only once on these issues when he learned of additional facts and information that he was not aware of originally. The other candidates are very well aware of this. Since when is it a sin, a crime, or a mental or moral ineptitude to change your position for a more correct position? The fact is, it is an intelligent, correct, and responsible thing to do and Mr. Romney or anyone else should be admired and applauded for doing so. As far as Mr. Romney walking the walk as a true Christian, anyone that thinks not, has not adequately or fairly looked into his background or lifestyle. From what I have heard and seen from the other candidates, if they can not do any better than attempt to bring themselves up to someone's higher level of standards and values than by bringing that person down to their level by deception and defamatory character assassinations, they have no business in the positions they are currently in let alone be President of the United States. Americans deserve a President that maintains a level of high integrity, standards, and values. I hope there are enough Americans who will be able to come out and vote for such a person rather than have the choice of the lesser of two evils.

  • Posted By: Bareu @ 01/06/2008 11:25:22 PM

    Best way to End this arguement is all vote for any one of the Democratic candidates as any of them would be better than these repubnik neocons.

  • Posted By: bri96hiking @ 01/06/2008 4:59:39 PM

    How many times has the Book of Mormon been re-written since the 1800s. The fake documents that supposedly support these visions etc. Mormonism is a cult filled with people of good intention but the beliefs are false. Ask about the "spirit babies"..

    • Posted By: mr-red @ 01/06/2008 5:08:40 PM

      Okay im asking about the spirit babies. Please tell me about them. Holy crap, this is ridiculous, its not a debate about whether Mormons are a cult or not, its about whether Romney is qualified to be President!

      • Posted By: BryanDB @ 01/06/2008 5:13:43 PM

        And he is not

        • Posted By: mr-red @ 01/06/2008 5:24:15 PM

          If you believe that then fine, but it seems to me Mr Bryan, based on all your other blogs, that you just try to pick at people and not base it on anything

          • Posted By: Bareu @ 01/06/2008 11:19:11 PM

            And you base it on the fact that he is a Mormon brother and nothing else

  • Posted By: jrock @ 01/06/2008 10:44:55 PM

    i think that Huckabee looks like President Nixon. Not voting for that guy!(not for that reason) Anyway, I am going to vote for the best Candidate and Im not sure who that is yet. I see a lot of people on here have pretty much made up their minds already for Ron Paul or Huckabee or Romney. I notice a lot of religious talk on here concerning Mitt Romney? Why? What does his religion have to do with anything? I understand that some people may get annoyed with mormon missionaries always comming to their door, but those mormons just are happy with their religion and want to share it with others. I also have grown up with friends that are mormon and they always have people who try to tell them what their own religion teaches because some preacher that is not a mormon or never has been, thinks he is an expert of everyone else's religion and can only talk bad about other religions that aren't his. Then you have all the literature and videos that supposedly give light on what the mormons really believe, but of course! None are made by a member of the church.

  • Posted By: dukester @ 01/06/2008 9:35:56 PM

    To learn about Romneys beliefs go to the website www.lds.org. This is the official website for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. You can read all about others' beliefs by going to other sites, but if you want to know what the LDS (Mormon) people really believe why don't you go straight to the source?

    • Posted By: Miss B. @ 01/06/2008 10:29:38 PM

      The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints also has another official website that does a good job of explaining it's basic beliefs. It is : www.mormon.org

  • Posted By: sjgman @ 01/06/2008 10:24:08 PM

    The comment that Ron Paul supporters are childish is way off base. We believe in the constitution and all that is garanteed to us in that document. People are free to worship whatever they want, that's what makes this a great country. Remember, separation of church and state is garanteed in the constitution also. In the words of Sinclair Lewis " When fashism comes to this country it will be wraped in the flag, and carrying a cross"

  • Posted By: acosio @ 01/06/2008 8:44:39 PM

    Why can't any Mormon simply answer the question?
    Is Jesus Christ GOD?
    Is He Lord?
    Yes or no?
    The reason for bringing up this question about a religious issue is because it reveals the deception that this cult is marinated in. I'm sure there are well intentioned people that are Mormons. They are just misinformed.
    Mr. Romney is of this "faith". Just read some of the previous posts. You'll read long winded posts that side step the issue that Jesus Christ IS Lord according to the scriptures, the bible. But this only proves my point,
    that this shows the length to which they will go to sound like a christian. They will tell you ANYTHING to convince you. Mitt won't stop there. I think it is clear that he is not the man for the White House in 2008.
    It will be refreshing to find a Mormon that with admit that the LDS church does NOT teach that Jesus Christ IS God!
    Whatever your faith, please be sure to vote!

    • Posted By: Twister52 @ 01/06/2008 10:00:37 PM

      Posted By: acosio @ 01/06/2008 8:44:39 PM
      Comment: Why can't any Mormon simply answer the question?
      Is Jesus Christ GOD?
      Is He Lord?

      First question: No, Jesus is not "God". Jesus is God's Son. Latter-day Saints believe that God and Christ are two separate, distinct beings, i.e., God (the Father) and His Son (the Christ).

      Second question: Of course, Jesus Christ is the Lord, the promised Messiah! The Savior is the ONLY avenue for mankind to return to our common Father in Heaven; God. For this, I worship and adore Jesus Christ like you do. Isn't Christ great?

      Well, there you have it....you just met an LDS church member who clearly said that "Christ is not God". What I don't understand is why you claim to have had such a hard time finding one to say what I just did. Comments like mine are on the web by the thousands from other Mormons.

      Dan Maloy - Enid, OK

      • Posted By: eshuster @ 01/06/2008 10:23:16 PM

        My friend we need only to read the New Testament to understand that Jesus is the Sony of God. Peter answered Christ in saying that he was the Christ, the Son of God and Christ confirmed that. You seek a simple answer to a question and the simple answer is NO - Jesus Christ is not God; however, if you strive for a deeper understanding of the Godhead, as expounded upon by Paul, that requires you to take a leap of faith in that the oneness of the Godhead is beyond our comprehension. Jesus is God as part of the Godhead (the oneness spoken of in John 17); however, God and Jesus are not one in being. Jesus came to the earth in the flesh and was God on earth, being one with God - a perfect oneness. That is how God and Jesus are the same - but not one in being. If you want simplicity, let's look at the woman who had an issue of blood and touched the robe of Jesus and was cured. He didn't say "do you believe I am God?" He simply said her faith cured her. Forget the doctrinal arguments, let's agree that Jesus Christ is the Savior of the world and only through him can we be saved and return to the Father. Peace my friend.

    • Posted By: hill_climber @ 01/06/2008 9:10:50 PM

      I am a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. Yes, Jesus Christ is the Lord and my God. People outside of our religion are often misinformed--sometimes it is our own fault in not sharing our beliefs clearly, but often the source of misinformation comes from ministers and members of other faiths that are all too eager speak on something they know little about.

  • Posted By: FYI2008 @ 01/06/2008 10:19:36 PM

    This is in reference to the first person???s three comments here. If Mormons are not Christians then please explain why they are called "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints; yet other churches out there with similar names are called Christians. Just because someone in the Mormon religion may have shared their views or values and the way they choose to live or interpret them, but this does not interpret the Mormon Church as a whole. The Mormon people I know are good people who share Christian values with people around them, they are not cult members.

    If someone of a different ethnic background or religion does something to me that is offensive or goes against what I believe does it give me the right to stereo type those people of the same ethnic background or religion as bad people or cult members. What happened to Americans belief in the constitution of the right to worship freely?

    If someone talks to me at the water cooler about a Catholic priest molesting a child and that person say???s ???ya those catholic people have no values.??? Well should I adopt a stereo type attitude about Catholics because a priest made a bad choice or because someone at the water cooler shared his opinion or stereo typical opinion about all Catholics as a whole? The answer to the question should always be no. People in this country need to look at someone for who they are and if they possess integrity and character along with moral values then it doesn???t matter what religion or ethnic background they are. Stop believing everything you hear from Joe shmo and look at people with an open mind until they prove themselves guilty.

  • Posted By: simplfive @ 01/06/2008 9:08:38 PM

    All you need to do is get a copy of the video "DNA vs The Book of Mormon." The Mormons or Latter-Day saints have a lot of issues in explaining their faith and where it is derived! Try www.lhvm.org!

    • Posted By: eshuster @ 01/06/2008 10:08:24 PM

      DNA and the Bible will have many of the same issues. Remember - it is about faith, not about DNA. If you want science and the Bible to line up you will be sorely dissapointed. The same holds true with the Book of Mormon. I and many others can shread the Bible if you are looking for DNA and absence of contridictions. Faith is about believing in things you cannot see.

  • Posted By: xochi0204 @ 01/06/2008 10:05:17 PM

    after reading everyones commenots and the actual article. I would say that you Ron Paul supporters are quite childish!! As far as your attacks on mormons and the attacks on Mitt it truly shows who is the adult here and who goes to the True Church Of God.

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