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  • Posted By: SCforMITT @ 01/06/2008 7:46:14 PM

    It's obvious that the contenders for the 2008 election are threatened by Mitt Romney. I believe the venom is due to his contrast ads hitting the nail on the head, and some recently inflated egos from newsroom flattery. The media appears to be biased towards Democrats and therefore tout the praises of those they want to win the Republican nomination, so they will be easily defeated in the final analysis. Romney is the one the Democrats fear. The truth is Mitt Romney has many supporters, because people want to believe in someone who has strong faith, is accepting of all faiths, and is a good example of a leader, husband, and father. I would not vote for McCain or Giuliani because of their past records in office. Huckabee will not get my vote because he has made off handed comments about the Mormon Church. At the very least, a president has to put his own biases aside, and do the best good for all people even those with whom he may disagree. If he can not do this with those who also believe in Jesus Christ as their Savior, then how will he begin to do this with others whose views go against his belief system? He can not, but Romney can.

  • Posted By: anothervoice @ 01/06/2008 5:39:55 PM

    "i hate MORMONS" and "i will never vote for a MORMON"

    Wonderful wisdom from another Huckabee supporter.

    • Posted By: rise2hope @ 01/06/2008 7:40:52 PM

      Huckabee doesn't need your vote. You my child need JESUS.

    • Posted By: powerfultruth @ 01/06/2008 6:08:51 PM

      You've obviously never meet one or you wouldn't have that view. What in the world have LDS people ever done anywhere in the world other than love and help others. Before just sounding off and making yourself look less than intelligent, try learning a little bit about the LDS faith and why most people respect and even appreciate them. Whatever you do, don't belittle yourself.

  • Posted By: rebeccarowley @ 01/06/2008 7:19:46 PM

    I think everyone needs to leave religion out of this and worry about what each of the guy's are going to do to help the U.S.A. become a better nation. We have people here that needs help and attention too. Get off each others back and tell the truth, or does that hurt too.

  • Posted By: Ken Hoyt @ 01/06/2008 5:54:10 PM

    For those truly interested in the righteousness of mormons please see these selected readings, 1. No Man Knows My History by Fawn Brodie and 2. Mountain Meadow Massacre. i felt a bit sad for the Paiute Indians in the latter book.

    • Posted By: Greg24 @ 01/06/2008 5:58:18 PM

      More mistakes of individuals within the organization.... I would assume? Feel free to correct me if giving it that blanket statement is inaccurate

      • Posted By: Ken Hoyt @ 01/06/2008 6:03:05 PM

        Please, my good man, elucidate.

        • Posted By: Greg24 @ 01/06/2008 6:12:53 PM

          Picking the most rare and extreme examples and defining them as representative is.... well... what do you think it is?

          • Posted By: Ken Hoyt @ 01/06/2008 6:21:04 PM

            Christ was crucified only once, I believe making that a rare and extreme example. Does that count? Is that OK.

            • Posted By: Greg24 @ 01/06/2008 6:26:02 PM

              Cunning but you avoided the point

              • Posted By: Ken Hoyt @ 01/06/2008 6:30:48 PM

                Here I don't agree with you. There were lots of corpses buried in and around Salt Lake City during the reign of Brigham Young, the killing of two refugees from the Powell expedition tried and murdered in Toquerville as spies for the US and the Danites as well the murders committed by and on behalf of Brigham Young Orrin Porter Rockwell.

                • Posted By: Greg24 @ 01/06/2008 7:09:29 PM

                  Assuming the orders and murders to be true- after having been violently and forcefully expelled from several cities you helped establish, having your spouse and/or your children killed in the process, fleeing over 1000 miles, and starting over again, I am more lenient towards those involved, they wanted to be left alone- to be free to worship as they pleased. Those are actually the very rights which were fought for in the revolutionary war; I don't think one could fully condemn those men without in some degree condemning the revolutionary war. I hardly condone their behavior, but given the circumstances I feel sorry that they felt so frantic- that they had to take such measures to defend their rights to life, liberty, and the persuit of happiness. I feel sorry for them and I don't think they handled it well. I still don't think the violent behavior is in the least degree representative of the LDS people. :)

            • Posted By: Greg24 @ 01/06/2008 6:28:42 PM

              I mean to say that Christ was the rare and extreme example of Christian

            • Posted By: Greg24 @ 01/06/2008 6:26:39 PM

              Likewise- not representative;)

      • Posted By: Greg24 @ 01/06/2008 6:02:25 PM

        call them sins if that changes anything

        • Posted By: Ken Hoyt @ 01/06/2008 6:09:54 PM

          Who, my friend, sinned?

          • Posted By: Greg24 @ 01/06/2008 6:18:02 PM

            I would assume the Mormons involved in the references you listed

            • Posted By: Ken Hoyt @ 01/06/2008 6:23:20 PM

              I like your prospective.

    • Posted By: JOBRAIL @ 01/06/2008 6:35:11 PM

      Thank you for picking out a few who believed that they were doing what was right. Why not talk about the millions involved in the Crusades and the attrocities committed during them or the Spanish Inquisition or maybe even the Salem witch trials. You cannot accuse the Mormons for those events in history. Mitt Romney is the most statesmanlike of all the candidates. He will help us at home and abroad.

  • Posted By: Corrina @ 01/06/2008 1:59:57 PM

    Mitt Romney is a man of faith and his father marched with Martin Luther King. I think it is sad that people attack him based on religion. I think it is ignorant just as people voting for someone just because they are a "woman" or "black" or "white." We should be voting on issues, skills, and ability to lead us and bring us together.

    • Posted By: mdennis1 @ 01/06/2008 7:04:54 PM

      Mitt Romneys father did not march with Martin Luther King!!!

    • Posted By: rybo74 @ 01/06/2008 2:14:13 PM

      It's interesting that you point this out and I agree with most of what you have stated. Based on what you said, I submit to you this question. If a man was running for president and he possessed each and every quality that you desired in a presidential candidate but...he was a satanist...would you still vote for him and not judge him based off of his religion? This is where these areas become very touchy. However, to apply your logic it must be applied to a theory such as the one mentioned above as well. As a Republican a Romney win is also disconcerting seeing that our largest voting base is found in our Christian Conservatives...all of which (hard right wingers) will think twice prior to voting for a morman. Translation, Democratic victory. This is probably inevitable anyway.

      • Posted By: Lorri @ 01/06/2008 4:37:23 PM

        Enter Your Comment: rybo74 - Your comment - suggesting that Mormonism is next to Satanism is very sad. It's people like you that are causing the foundation of this country, which is "families" to go down the tubes. Get you facts straight. If the presidential canditate was a satanist, you would see a man/woman who does not beleive in God, family or moral values. How in heaven's name can you compare the LDS (Mormon) people (including Romney), who are God fearing Christians who believe in the atonement of Jesus Christ, to a satanist? Uninformed/misinformed people like you frighten me. God help us - all we want to do is select the best man/woman to lead this country. Stop bashing religions and stick with the issues.

        • Posted By: rybo74 @ 01/06/2008 6:20:09 PM

          I in no way compared Mormonism to satanism. I used an extreme "religion" (satanism) as an example to make a point. Individuals continue to state one should not be judged as a president based on his religious beliefs. If that is in fact true you would have to disregard satanism as well by making the same selection. You should learn comprehension and basic interpretation prior to making such comments...sad indeed.

  • Posted By: slcboarder @ 01/06/2008 7:02:58 PM

    For all those undeducated on mormons being true christians - Elder Jeffrey R. Holland


    Indeed no less a source than the stalwart Harper???s Bible Dictionary records that ???the formal doctrine of the Trinity as it was defined by the great church councils of the fourth and fifth centuries is not to be found in the [New Testament].???3

    So any criticism that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints does not hold the contemporary Christian view of God, Jesus, and the Holy Ghost is not a comment about our commitment to Christ but rather a recognition (accurate, I might add) that our view of the Godhead breaks with post???New Testament Christian history and returns to the doctrine taught by Jesus Himself. Now, a word about that post???New Testament history might be helpful.

    In the year A.D. 325 the Roman emperor Constantine convened the Council of Nicaea to address???among other things???the growing issue of God???s alleged ???trinity in unity.??? What emerged from the heated contentions of churchmen, philosophers, and ecclesiastical dignitaries came to be known (after another 125 years and three more major councils)4 as the Nicene Creed, with later reformulations such as the Athanasian Creed. These various evolutions and iterations of creeds???and others to come over the centuries???declared the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost to be abstract, absolute, transcendent, imminent, consubstantial, coeternal, and unknowable, without body, parts, or passions and dwelling outside space and time. In such creeds all three members are separate persons, but they are a single being, the oft-noted ???mystery of the trinity.??? They are three distinct persons, yet not three Gods but one. All three persons are incomprehensible, yet it is one God who is incomprehensible.

    It is not our purpose to demean any person???s belief nor the doctrine of any religion. We extend to all the same respect for their doctrine that we are asking for ours. (That, too, is an article of our faith.) But if one says we are not Christians because we do not hold a fourth- or fifth-century view of the Godhead, then what of those first Christian Saints, many of whom were eyewitnesses of the living Christ, who did not hold such a view either?7

    We declare it is self-evident from the scriptures that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost are separate persons, three divine beings, noting such unequivocal illustrations as the Savior???s great Intercessory Prayer just mentioned, His baptism at the hands of John, the experience on the Mount of Transfiguration, and the martyrdom of Stephen???to name just four.


    A related reason The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is excluded from the Christian category by some is because we believe, as did the ancient prophets and apostles, in an embodied???but certainly glorified???God.17 To those who criticize this scripturally based belief, I ask at least rhetorically: If the idea of an embodied God is repugnant, why are the central doctrines a

  • Posted By: acosio @ 01/06/2008 3:50:22 PM

    First of all let's get the record straight. Mormons are NOT Christians. They are NOT part of the true bible believing church. Who in the world would anyone want a person to be the president that doesn't even acknowledge this simple fact? Most Mormon "missionaries" that come to your door will try to convince you that they are "Christians." Think about it. They are misleading the public. So Mr. Romney is no different!
    He is not being truthful about the Mormon church not influencing him, and the power grab. This reveals the deception of Romney and this so-called christian religion. Mormonisim must not be in the position of power in the White House! This would be a disaster. We do not need a cult member as President.
    I lived in a heavily Mormon area in North Eastern Arizona, and it is sickening to see the nepatisim, religious bigotry, and the way they "control" local politics. It is just sickening. It's time to speak up before it is too late!
    It is strange how everyone is afraid to speak the truth in the "PC" culture without fear of repriasal!
    It's time to speak out and make a stand. No Romney in the White House in 2008!

    • Posted By: mdennis1 @ 01/06/2008 7:01:16 PM

      I would really think Mitt

  • Posted By: Greg24 @ 01/06/2008 6:59:00 PM

    Bryan that was pretty weak, I would "try and get [you] to believe otherwise...."

  • Posted By: turiddhu @ 01/06/2008 6:51:20 PM

    anybody attacking mitt romney for his religion should be ashamed of themselves ,theyr'e forgetting what country theyr'e living in ,the great majority of the voters hopefully all of them are not going to fall for it,they will choose their candidate based on the issues.i'm not a romney fan but i keep an open mind and would vote for him if i decided he's the better of the lot

  • Posted By: solesimi @ 01/06/2008 4:26:56 PM

    Posted By: Lorri @ 01/06/2008 4:06:03 PM

    Hi Lori,

    I used to be a mormon and mormons do not believe in the Trinity as all the Christians believe. mormons do not in Saints and mormon only worry about their finances because they are Closing the schools in the South Pacific.

    http://youtube.com/results?search_query=mormon

    mormons are Not Christians even though they use Christ's name. Little kids and young adults are forced to Say" I believe this is the true church, Joseph Smith is the True Prophet of God, President Hinckley is the true prophet of God, blah blah, blah......." If they church is true why say it at every church meetings... which feelings like a business meeting....

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=zy0d1HbItOo

    The book of mormon is better than the Bible is one of the teachings. Book of mormon is 80% plagiarized from the Bible as taught at BYU-Hawaii. What a non-sense?

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=G1mFdO1wB08

    How do I know these things, I used to be a mormon??????..

    Jo

    • Posted By: bus11 @ 01/06/2008 4:45:18 PM

      jo,
      you use to be a mormon and well i have been amember of The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Ladder Day Saints my whole life. I have never been forced to say "I know the church is true". My children have never been forced to say that. My son went on a mission because he wanted to. He was never forced.. I really dont care what you say I AM A CHRISTAIN!. No one is going to tell me other wise. The Book Of Morman is another testiment of Jesus Christ, not better then the bible and it is not plagiarized. I have NEVER been taught otherwise nor do I believe other wise.
      You are so off base on the things you are saying. Good luck and God bless you
      cyn

      • Posted By: caroline @ 01/06/2008 5:26:09 PM

        I have friends who are Mormons, taught students who are Mormans, my husband has colleagues who are Mormons. I'm not a Mormon ....but I would never vote against (or for) Romney because he's a Morman I would never vote for Romney for other reasons.....there is something too "plastic" and expedient about him and his campaign. I find his immigrant-bashing to be un-Christian, frankly. Aren't we all God's children?? . I find McCain to have the depth or experience and humanity to lead our country in a pragmatic and realistic way. He has walked the walk. I have the greatest respect for McCain's unwavering stance on unpopular issues (at least among Republicans) like the Iraq war and immigration. He doesn't say what his audience wants to hear. He doesn't compromise his principles or yield to nativist "mob rule" rhetoric..

        • Posted By: gemk @ 01/06/2008 6:04:41 PM

          One of the biggest problems with McCain is his age. He will be almost 80 by the time his term is through if her were elected. Too many people remember the last of President Reagans term and his memory problems to put another individual in at that age. Even if he were the right man for the position, at this point a vote for him would probably be wasted because of the age fear.

          • Posted By: caroline @ 01/06/2008 6:50:06 PM

            You have a point there. Too bad. I do remember the Reagan fuzziness, snoozes and lock of focus. Of course, some of these younger guys now could be accused of the same thing and they don't have the "age excuse"....On the other hand, I looked at that photo at the top of this article and they all looked like a bunch of tired old white guys standing around awkwardly...

    • Posted By: bus11 @ 01/06/2008 5:09:45 PM

      Jo,
      As a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Ladder-Day Saints. Your comments are so wrong and misleading. They hold no vilitaty. I am a christain. No one will tell me otherwise. No one has ever forced me to say anything.My chidren have never been forced to say rthose things. My son went on a mission
      because he wanted to, no forcing invoved. You are so off base with your comments.

      • Posted By: pianistjud @ 01/06/2008 6:29:06 PM

        Enter Your CommentThen you should remember that the Book of Mormon is a companion to the Bible. We use both equally.

    • Posted By: gemk @ 01/06/2008 4:38:06 PM

      I don't know what kind of parents raised you, but I do not know of any LDS parent that "forced" their child to say that they believe these things to be true. The opportunity is there to express your feelings and share your testimony, but I've never seen a gun held to any child or young persons head forcing them to say such things and I have attended meetings all over the United States. I feel sorry that you feel your parents had that much control over you. I guess I would rebel too if that were the case. But none of this has to do with whether or not Mitt Romney is a good candidate for the President of our great nation. He is a man with integrity, wisdom, morals, experience and a sound record and should be considered for those things, not whether or not he's a "Mormon" The best to you.

  • Posted By: REASON-1 @ 01/06/2008 6:44:30 PM

    BILL Schenectady,N.Y. Do you have any reporters that aren't hearing impaired? During the debate,Romney,Huckabee,Juliani,and Mc Cain each stated,at least once that they agreed with statements made by Fred Yhompson. In my opinion that shows that Fred Thompson was prepared and they were not;making Fred the winner of the debate.If the voters of New Hampshire are foolish enough to want any of these other candidates for President who do they expect them to call to supply a reasonable response to an emergency situation, FRED THOMPSON ? How long would it take to locate him ? Wouldn't it be better to have him in the oval office to handle the situation IMMEDIATELY ?

  • Posted By: REASON-1 @ 01/06/2008 6:43:49 PM

    BILL Schenectady,N.Y. Do you have any reporters that aren't hearing impaired? During the debate,Romney,Huckabee,Juliani,and Mc Cain each stated,at least once that they agreed with statements made by Fred Yhompson. In my opinion that shows that Fred Thompson was prepared and they were not;making Fred the winner of the debate.If the voters of New Hampshire are foolish enough to want any of these other candidates for President who do they expect them to call to supply a reasonable response to an emergency situation, FRED THOMPSON ? How long would it take to locate him ? Wouldn't it be better to have him in the oval office to handle the situation IMMEDIATELY ?

  • Posted By: REASON-1 @ 01/06/2008 6:43:24 PM

    BILL Schenectady,N.Y. Do you have any reporters that aren't hearing impaired? During the debate,Romney,Huckabee,Juliani,and Mc Cain each stated,at least once that they agreed with statements made by Fred Yhompson. In my opinion that shows that Fred Thompson was prepared and they were not;making Fred the winner of the debate.If the voters of New Hampshire are foolish enough to want any of these other candidates for President who do they expect them to call to supply a reasonable response to an emergency situation, FRED THOMPSON ? How long would it take to locate him ? Wouldn't it be better to have him in the oval office to handle the situation IMMEDIATELY ?

  • Posted By: T Sloan @ 01/06/2008 6:42:38 PM

    As undecided voter, I was turned off by the below-the-belt barbs by McCain to Romney. I may not agree with Romney, but McCain seemed childish, peevish and anything but presidential. I actually started to pull for Romney, who I thought looked like he could handle himself well when the kitchen gets hot.

  • Posted By: RyanH @ 01/06/2008 3:36:31 PM

    Re: "A Mormon president would be disasterous for America"
    Mr. Hoyts comments were particularly entertaining for a few reasons.
    First, this religious pigeonholing is neither based on the information presented in the debate, nor on the general ability of any candidate to lead America to a great future.
    Second, he says to "ask [an LDS missionary] to explain" certain tenets that are all, as he presents them, either misconstrued, exaggerated, or simply not true. If you wish to find out which are which, I would encourage you to do as he says and speak in with an LDS missionary. The odds are, however, that the majority of these young men who attempt to preach peace and self betterment through finding religion, they will be able to tell you relatively little about these fringe concepts.
    Third: "They are the American equivalent of the Taliban"? Mormons have been known throughout American history to be one of the most docile, tolerant relgious groups in its history, especially toward other religious groups or beliefs. Knowing their history of persecution might help explain why. In any case, to draw parallels between a militant islamic sect practicing guerilla warfare, and a family-oriented church that promotes morals, hard work, philanthropy, and good values in general, shows narrow vision and great prejudice, things our country could do without.
    I believe that anyone who truly knows about the LDS and their values would be just as open to having an LDS president as they would a buddhist, an evangelist, or a presbyterian. Of course, you'd have to first look at the qualifications and facts that the candidates present, something that seems to have been overlooked here.

    As for Mr. Maschek, he can wave his credentials all he wants, Mr. Hoyt, because he's earned them. The fact is that living in Utah and knowing LDS people does not mean that you understand the doctrine. Obviously reading the LDS canon of scripture didn't help either. I have no objection to your dislike of Gov. Romney, but objecting to his positions instead of the beliefs that make him the success he is today would seem more logical.

    • Posted By: BryanDB @ 01/06/2008 4:01:05 PM

      OMG Try getting a job or advancement in a Mormon run Company. If you live in Utah and are not Mormon you are shunned. All religious people have been persecuted at one time or another and usually by another religious group. Mormons are governed by their church. And I surely do not want to be governed by the Mormon church, the Baptist church, the Catholic Church or any other Church.

      • Posted By: boymom @ 01/06/2008 6:39:20 PM

        Comment: OMG Try getting a job or advancement in a Mormon run Company. If you live in Utah and are not Mormon you are shunned. All religious people have been persecuted at one time or another and usually by another religious group. Mormons are governed by their church. And I surely do not want to be governed by the Mormon church, the Baptist church, the Catholic Church or any other Church."

        Bryan -
        Maybe you are being shunned because it seems to me, based on your comments, you are a somewhat hateful, negative person. When you walk around with a chip on your shoulder, people tend to want to stay away from you...I'm just sayin', dude.

  • Posted By: acosio @ 01/06/2008 3:50:02 PM

    First of all let's get the record straight. Mormons are NOT Christians. They are NOT part of the true bible believing church. Who in the world would anyone want a person to be the president that doesn't even acknowledge this simple fact? Most Mormon "missionaries" that come to your door will try to convince you that they are "Christians." Think about it. They are misleading the public. So Mr. Romney is no different!
    He is not being truthful about the Mormon church not influencing him, and the power grab. This reveals the deception of Romney and this so-called christian religion. Mormonisim must not be in the position of power in the White House! This would be a disaster. We do not need a cult member as President.
    I lived in a heavily Mormon area in North Eastern Arizona, and it is sickening to see the nepatisim, religious bigotry, and the way they "control" local politics. It is just sickening. It's time to speak up before it is too late!
    It is strange how everyone is afraid to speak the truth in the "PC" culture without fear of repriasal!
    It's time to speak out and make a stand. No Romney in the White House in 2008!

    • Posted By: slcboarder @ 01/06/2008 6:30:56 PM

      Mormons are not christian according to you? Think about it. What weight do you have to call a mormon not a christian. I live next to mormons in CA and they are far more Christian than you pose to be.

  • Posted By: david1197 @ 01/06/2008 5:47:43 PM

    Get over the MORMON thing and focus on the issues. If Mitt is the right candidate because he shares your values and is the closest candidate to your views on the issues then vote for him. Otherwise, vote for someone else. Hop off the media bandwagon and start focusing on the right candidate for the right reasons.

    • Posted By: Doc Cisco @ 01/06/2008 6:26:53 PM

      Well said. Find the guy that can get what you want done regardless of the "oldies" in Washington.

  • Posted By: EZBZ @ 01/06/2008 6:19:09 PM

    And then you wonder why the American people can't trust the government. When it's the "who said what and who didn't say what" routine. At least when we choose a Miss America we get 50 people to choose from. It's a sad state of affairs when you can't trust the people you have to vote for (you have to pick the one you think lies least).

    • Posted By: choonzer @ 01/06/2008 6:25:48 PM

      Here's a thought... let's combine them. With a couple exceptions, I'd say most Miss America candidates could do as good a job as our current president, and be more articulate to boot.

  • Posted By: smiles2 @ 01/06/2008 6:23:15 PM

    I thought I lived in America. I think we are losing what our Founding Fathers and Colonists fought for their lives for. I intend to vote for the most noble, most honorable, and most intellgent person. Whether that be a man, woman, no matter what their religion should be. How small of thinking to vote on religion! Most Latter-Day Saints are great people, check out what they truely believe on LDS.org. Go to the source. Religion should not be a reasoning, what about the real issues? Who can bring honor to the Presidency? Who can get things done for the American people.

  • Posted By: jaystoner @ 01/06/2008 5:34:01 PM

    i will never vote for a MORMON

    • Posted By: Lorri @ 01/06/2008 6:21:01 PM

      Enter Your Comment: To jaystoner: That's sad, especially if he or she is the best candidate. If you were running for president, I would not vote for a bigot such as yourself. Get a grip on life babe and come up with a better reason for not voting for a presidential candidate. If you are one of the younger voters, I weep for you.

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