Letting Hillary Be Hillary

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  • Posted By: RadicalPatriot @ 01/21/2008 1:57:34 PM

    Many Hillary supporters constantly assert that the millions of us who oppose her do so because she is a woman. Perhaps some do, but millions of us oppose Hillary because she is unfit to rule!
    If she were not her sham husband's sham wife, and if she were not campaigning after seven years of idiocy and disaster under President Bush-Cheney, then she would never have a chance at the presidency. In fact, her similarities to the worst characteristics of President Bush-Cheney are remarkable similar.

    Like Bush-Cheney, Hillary is the same nasty, polarizing, and divisive person, to the citizens at large as well as to non-Democrats, and even to innumerable Democrats.

    Like Bush-Cheney, Hillary has a proven record of secrecy, lies, and prevarication. Such deceit is natural to their characters, stemming from their constant need to put personal/partisan needs above all else, certainly above the needs of America.

    Like Bush-Cheney, Hillary is totally in the pockets of Corporate America, lobbyists, and special interest groups, more than any other candidate.

    Like Bush-Cheney, Hillary has an unethical character [see the above two points] that is not trustworthy. Even those who support her have shown this in poll after poll.

    Like Bush-Cheney, Hillary [and like Bill] has consistently shown an imperious disregard for the law, never concerned about bending it, reinterpreting it, or disregarding it altogether if it does not suit their own personal needs.

    Like Bush-Cheney, Hillary [and like Giuliani] uses the despicable ???politics of fear??? in attempting to gain support from the American voters.

    Like Bush-Cheney, Hillary???s use of a planted audience and controlled questions from selected questioners in public appearances makes a farce of honest reporting and the democratic ???conversation??? she said her campaign [as he said his presidency] would be about.

    Hillary???s claim of "experience" is even phonier than she is. Actually, there is little "job training" available for killer job of being president. The most crucial of qualifications are the quality of one's intelligence [beyond mere political cunning] and the quality of one's character [dare I even mention the fuddy-duddy old-fashioned word ???virtue????]. Hillary???s White House days as first lady were not a qualifying experience to be president. For those who can remember, and think, they were eight years of proof for why she should not be.

    And it is bizarrely amusing that she can even mention the word ???change??? in reference to herself. Hillary is, above all, the same old, samer older.

  • Posted By: TeachToDream @ 01/21/2008 10:03:22 AM

    The race and gender issues that seem to rise to the forefront of the Clinton/Obama debate has clouded, and I think, oversimplified some serious concerns. The biggest of those concerns is how to repair the damage that Bush has done to our nation both nationally and internationally.
    As a black woman, I understand the complexities of the choice between Clinton and Obama. Obama is black, true, but a man. Clinton is a woman, true, but white. Historically, both the civil rights movement and the women???s movement were criticized for excluding the concerns of black women. For black women to focus on Obama???s race means ignoring the very real sexist aspects upheld by many black men. Just because Obama is a black man doesn???t mean that he will automatically address the needs of the black woman. For black women to focus on Clinton???s gender means ignoring the very real racist aspects perpetuated by many white women. Just because Clinton is a woman doesn???t mean she will automatically address the needs of black women. In fact, the sexist comments made against Clinton even point to the fact that we are a nation more race conscious than sex conscious.
    This race has become African-Americans seeing Obama as a savior for blacks and women seeing Clinton as a savior for women. This has created a dilemma in women like me who are both black and female. Either vote is a ???betrayal??? of a minority. In the article, one reverend was quoted in reference to having a viable female and African-American candidate. The question or statement should not be about having two viable minority candidates but about having an EXPERIENCED candidate. Why do we need experience right now? Because it will take experience to clean up the mess that Bush has made of our nation. Personally, I wish that Obama had waited, that he had gained more of that experience that he needs. Hope is a great thing. We need hope. But more than anything, we need someone who can land in the White House running. Someone who, in all honesty, has been in the White House before. I think Obama is an excellent candidate but I think that at this moment, right now, more than black people needing hope, more than women needing hope, even more than our nation needing hope, America needs an effective president. Cause actions, more than hope, will get the job done. And I think that person, with a wealth of getting the job done, is Hillary Clinton.

  • Posted By: susangg @ 01/20/2008 9:13:24 PM

    The issue in this primary campaign is not Hilary's "voice" but her VOTES. She has consistently voted with the Bush Administration on virtually every foreign policy subject. She has pandered to the extremists in the Israeli right wing and to the extremists in the Cuban community. She is a war monger who has raised more $ from defense contractors than any other candidate, Dem or GOP. She is not what the country needs.

  • Posted By: getupstandup @ 01/20/2008 2:27:53 PM

    So Bing is "also a friend of Al Sharptons's"? The obligatory obeisance to the foremost race hustler of our times. On the eve of MLK's birthday, the civil rights industry presents Dear Leader Al Sharpster as its current figurehead. Regrets, Martin.

  • Posted By: Don'tStealMyDream @ 01/20/2008 3:42:01 AM

    Bill Clinton is "OVERSHADOWING" his wife. This was displayed when he attempted to defend Sen. Clinton???s comments about former President LBJ, on Black radio. I felt the anger from him, across the airways, and as a Black voter, the vibe I received from former President Clinton, was "I stood by you N....., and now you're turning your backs on us.....so what if Barack Obama is Black, you owe me". For us, kill your dreams. Who???s running for President, ???Bill??? or ???Hillary???? Hillary has to show America that she could fight her own battles, and defend her position. If she doesn???t show the world that she could keep her husband mouth shut, it???s going to ultimately hurt her bid for the Presidency. Former President Bill Clinton is angry because he realizes that Barack Obama will beat Hillary, when those two square off. When you are fearful, you attack what poise a threat. He???s angry and thinking out loud, ???I???ll be daman if I let a Black Man beat Hillary???. ???We are superior to the Black race???..Barack Obama (A Black Man) can???t lead me. ???No way in Hell???. This is the vibe I???m getting from the Clinton Campaign. It hurts that they thinks African-Americans can???t lead effectively, it hurts because if Hillary Campaign Manager decide to run for President against her, they will crucify her, it hurts because they just simply say, ???African-Americans are not worthy of such a high office???.
    That???s why African-Americans need Barack Obama to stop the hurt, because we get it from both ends; Republicans and Democrats with a Superiority spirit.

  • Posted By: look@thefineprint @ 01/20/2008 12:46:08 AM

    Congress is not being run all that well at the moment...

  • Posted By: coll.env @ 01/19/2008 9:44:29 AM

    Happy 10th year anniversary to Slick Willy and Monica Lewinsky !!!
    Why is Slick Willy still holding on to "the Cigar,hate to give up old memories ???

  • Posted By: HigherMinds @ 01/19/2008 4:55:55 AM

    All of this brouhaha over Bill's temper reminds me of Teddy Roosevelt's comments to his complaining contemporaries about his daughter, Alice: "I can run the country or I can run Alice ... but I can't do both." It seems to me that Hillary can capably handle both because she already has ... showing courage and strength while keeping her head up and her life on course. And, in a more playful vein: surely the best person to run a House is a woman ... whether it's The White House or The House of Congress....

  • Posted By: rodriguez035 @ 01/18/2008 3:59:09 PM

    "I think it's going to be so interesting to see how the Clintons attempt to attack a black man when black people have been in their back pocket all these years," says the Rev. Al Sharpton. "As much as black people love them, they won't take too well to Bill or Hillary attacking another black person too strongly."
    Such statements as this by Rev. Sharpton are making this a "race" issue...this is a political campaign and Hillary should be able to "attack" her opponent in the same manner regardless if he is black, white or red!!

    • Posted By: jazzbebop @ 01/19/2008 1:19:01 AM

      Al Sharpton is one of a kind. It is hard to take anything he says seriously. All he wants to do is stir the pot..... what character. what grace....

  • Posted By: ChristiLeannMT @ 01/18/2008 10:53:26 AM

    I am a republican woman and I vote for who I believe is the right person, regardless of which party they belong to. Hillary is a sleazeball, just like her husband. If she is elected, we can flush family values down the toilet again. The clintons have proved to us in the past what kind of people they are. I can't believe that we are even considering putting them back in the power seat. It is true that most politicians lie and say what the American public wants to hear, but these people have been caught in lie after lie. I am not an Obama supporter either, but If I had to choose between the two, Obama would get my vote. I am very dissapointed with this years potential candidates. So far I am not impressed by any of them, democratic or republican.

    • Posted By: vince.stewart @ 01/18/2008 12:44:16 PM

      To me, this election's group of candidates hasn't really impressed me much, Republican or Democrat. But I can say without a doubt if you asked me to vote today it would NOT be for Hillary. I don't like the Clintons, never have. Many people love Bill Clinton, and the Clintons in general but I am not one of those people

  • Posted By: j1ggy @ 01/18/2008 10:28:45 AM

    The rest of the article on historical "H". She appears to be a white male trapped in a female body. My interpretation and opinion only...this should raise some eye brows. This may explain why she was so understanding during the Lewinsky issues. She resonates more with Bill than Monica.

  • Posted By: j1ggy @ 01/18/2008 10:07:50 AM

    I am Republican looking for the right candidate. I have suffered years of continued disappointment in my party affiliation. While I was raised as a conservative, this position has polarized my values and paradigms and has not been dynamic or relative which is essential to resolving the issues facing Americans. This stance versus liberal ideology is unproductive and locks this nation is political dogma. The candidate most likely to defie the old guard of politics is the candidate who will get my vote. It appears that candidate will be Barack Obama.
    A few comments on the article:
    "H" claims "...informed by my deep experience over the last 35 years...go backwards...found my voice define her. What I take away from her campaign and how she has tried to present herself against Republicans is what was referred to in the past as "Yellow Dog Democrats" It is my belief "H' has people like Sharpton and Jackson because of this paradigm. Whatever it takes to win and she and her strategist will play the female persona of feelings to hang onto the female vote.
    I perceive Barack Obama as the candidate which can be a crossover for moderate Republicans, who I believe represent the masses in the Republican party. For the moderate, Obama is the real change agent who has not yet been sullied by the old guard and financially dominating lobbyist who have dictated politics for 40+ years.

  • Posted By: jkeyser @ 01/18/2008 9:56:05 AM

    Thanks for referring me to that article in the San Francisco paper. It was very informative to say the least.

  • Posted By: mev47 @ 01/18/2008 9:07:43 AM

    check out this article folks.
    http://www.sfgate.com

  • Posted By: gstaie @ 01/16/2008 4:50:37 PM

    I threw this issue away on the way back home from the mail box. She's a crook and a cow. One Clinton criminal was bad enough for this country, we don't need another.
    Former Marine and a Latin table.

    • Posted By: jkeyser @ 01/18/2008 3:33:05 AM

      Enter Your Comment I agree with your comment. I also was thinking about how a pattern is showing with Hillary. Before the New Hampshire vote, she showed her "emotions" and managed to get the sympathy of women. Now she is on the cover of Newsweek and showing up for the "Tyra Banks Show" 2 days before the South Carolina caucus. Very calculating, I would say.....

    • Posted By: dgarrand @ 01/17/2008 6:54:33 AM

      Criminal??? What about the real criminal in the White House now? A sex act is not a crime and as far as lying about it ---who cares? It was personal--none of our business . The lies this President (Bush) has told are criminal and thousands have died because of his lies----do you care about that??? Give me a break!

  • Posted By: Lolabarken @ 01/16/2008 12:45:12 PM

    Again, you are framing the race as being between two people. Believe it or not, John Edwards is also in the running. It is both frustrating and infuriating to me that the media has all but ignores him.

    • Posted By: jkeyser @ 01/18/2008 3:25:27 AM

      I actually liked John Edwards until I heard about his $400 haircut. Since that, I have had a hard time believing he has any affinity for the middle class. I guess when you have millions of dollars $, it puts you in another level.

  • Posted By: jkeyser @ 01/18/2008 3:16:41 AM

    If it were another woman running, I would be more open to vote for that individual. As a stay-at-home mom for 18 years, I was was extremely offended by Hillary's remarks and attitude towards the above mentioned group of ladies. She is too polarizing and too rough around the edges for my taste. Obama comes across as someone who cares about everyone; Period.

  • Posted By: gomyson @ 01/17/2008 3:52:53 PM

    The saying goes, "How the twig is bent, the tree will grow." It is an error to credit the Clinton Administration for the low deficit and all the nice things that were listed by euniceromaguera@ o1/17/2008. Those benefits resulted from legislation and policies enacted during Bush Administrations. Everyone knows it takes awhile for ripples to reach the shore and at least a few terms to clearly see the effect an administration has upon the nation. Bill and Hillary waltzed through the White House basking in the light of the Bush Administration's hard work and sacrifice! It is no surprise they miss it and would LOVE to return! Not to say that Hillary is afraid of work, but honestly any mother knows how tough it is to focus on your work when you have an errant child running around the house! If she wins, this time it won't be Hillary whispering to Bill about what he should say and do, she'll just do it herself, which in my opinion should have happened in the first place. I for one, can't stand the thought of that man back in the White House, waltzing and banqueting and 'carrying on'. It would be a joke, a travesty, a tragedy! Hillary missed the boat of the presidency. She should have run before, not Bill. And speaking of boats, as far as I know Obama Baraka had no ancestors on any slave ships, so I don't understand the big focus on how 'finally' an African-American is in the race. He grew up in Hawaii, didn't he? (Are, are there ghettos there?) It doesn't matter! He is an American, but don't be labeling him as a 'soul brother' who knows all about the issues that the real ones do! Eloquence is NOT experience. Guess that leaves one democrat in my favor, but he is white and a man and that is not hip with the democratic hip-hop vote. SAD!

    • Posted By: dgarrand @ 01/17/2008 4:47:25 PM

      You are joking, right?

      • Posted By: gomyson @ 01/17/2008 6:15:22 PM

        It's true, for the most part I was kidding...All the array of cliche's really cloud the issues, but I wasn't kidding about the travesty of Bill haunting the hallowed halls again...Does he realize the extent of damage that his betrayal exacted on Hillary, not to mention the devastated trust of Americans young and old? To rationalize and say 'it happens' is the biggest cop-out I've ever heard. I would so vote for her if she had dumped him! You see, I have this NEED to respect my leaders.

        Obama became a candidate almost as quickly as he became a senator and he doesn't have much of a voting record to give him legs to stand on either way of certain issues. He is pretty, smart and trim and I wouldn't be surprised if he won, based on those points alone. When someone you love is in trouble, you want to employ the best counsel you can find and that often comes with experience. In my view he has a lot going for him and I wouldn't mind if he was 'just a senator' for awhile to see what he can do.
        Sometimes senators can do more than Presidents and I think he has enough license and energy to go for it in the senate and come again in another 4 years.

        The Democratic line-up is at odds with itself and if black just votes for black or women for women, they will all still be minorities in the end. I think this race is pretty much up to John, whether or not he will stay in it and I think he should.

  • Posted By: Sunnysown @ 01/16/2008 11:37:24 AM

    Wow. . what a really cool photo of Hillary. Airbrushed to perfection. And the photos of Barack? Bad lighting, bad angle. Gee. . .I wonder who NEWSWEEK favors. Hmmmm. . . let me ponder. You really are shameless.

    • Posted By: dewcooper @ 01/16/2008 11:59:31 AM

      Hillary doesn't need airbrushing. She just got another one of those 400 dollar haircuts!

      • Posted By: dgarrand @ 01/17/2008 8:30:06 AM

        I believe it was John Edwards with the $400. haircut. If you are voting on how the candidates look---do the rest of us a favor and please stay home-----pay attention and vote the issues.

        • Posted By: KnowWhatYouSay @ 01/17/2008 5:26:18 PM

          I agree with you dgarand.

  • Posted By: manz_qta @ 01/17/2008 3:05:38 AM

    In my views Hillary is the one and only leader now who can lead usa in the right direction. I really love to see Hillary Clinton as the new President of USA.
    best of luck Great Hillary Rodham Clinton
    Manzoor
    Quetta, Pakistan.

    • Posted By: KnowWhatYouSay @ 01/17/2008 5:18:54 PM

      Thank you Manzoor. I think Hillary can repair the wounds we've created, around the world. We need to mend our comaraderie with the world again, and Hillary wants to do this.....

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