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  • Posted By: peacefullypowerless @ 01/22/2009 10:53:09 AM

    The whole reason behind faith and it's ability to bring peace to our souls I believe comes from believing in a power greater than ourselves. Everything we do when we come from this humble place has a positve effect. I don't care where the facts say the power started or which religion says that they're rules or ways are the way to achieve this peace. I just know that there IS a power greater than all of us, and I enjoy finding out about all the ways we may have come to be. However in my life everytime I have made choices from a humble place, positive effects and peace within myself have been achieved. That to me is the power known as God and I would be selfish to think that I or anyone else could ever begin to achieve all the answers behind that power.

  • Posted By: truthseeker2576 @ 01/22/2009 10:52:06 AM

    I applaud your article and in particular your reference to Allan Rex Sandage. He is the greatest observational cosmologist in the world today. He publicly professed his faith, as he approached the stage at the 1985 conference on science and religion. To all present, there was little doubt where he would sit. The discussion would be about the origin of the universe, and the panel would be divided among those scientists who believed in God and those who didn't, with each viewpoint having its own side of the stage.

    Sandage is Jewish and was virtually atheist even as a child. The scientists present believed that a scientist of his stature must be skeptical about God. As "Newsweek" put it, "The more deeply scientists see into the secrets of the universe, you'd expect the more God would fade away from their hearts and minds."

    So Sandage's seat among the doubters was a given.

    But the unexpected happened, Sandage set the room abuzz by turning and taking a chair among the 'theists'.

    The BIG BANG he told the spellbound audience, was a "supernatural" event, that CANNOT be explained within the realm of physics as we know it. Science had taken us to the First Event, but it can't take us further to the First Cause.

    As for Darwin, yes, there definitely is an "evolution" , among species, animal and humankind. That is understandable, and makes sense, and there is scientific proof of it. But to say that we came out from a microbial slime, the odds of
    happening of which are insurmountable it dazzles the mind,,,,the scientific evidence does not support this.

    Darwin's Tree of Life is a dismal failure insofar as fossil evidence.

    Ernst Haeckel's comparative drawings of embryos, which are often described as among the best evidence for Darwinism, have now been revealed to be frauds.It was exposed in the late 1860's. But have we been told? No.
    Science magazine in 1995 dismissed the Miller Experiment ((Stanley Miller's 1953 experiment).

    Archaeoraptor has been revealed to have been a "fake" fossil, fooling National Geographic Society. There is a fake-fossil factory in China. All motivated by money.

    Darwin himself said that the fossil record would support his theory and later show 'transitional' creatures, there have
    been none found.

    And remember JAVA MAN? The stooped over ape turning into a man picture that we've all seen?....TIME magazine as recently as 1994 treated Java man as a legitimate evolutionary ancestor. They seemed to have missed the fact that a 342-page scientific report from a fact-finding expedition of 19 evolutionists demolished Dubois' claims and concluded that Java man played no part in human evolution.

    We've been duped and mislead, and it's still going on in our schools today.



    BUT, to say that we

  • Posted By: ymansari @ 01/22/2009 10:50:12 AM

    .if sceintist study the last massage quraan from god .The scintist will clear their confution about univers.
    They will come to know about god's existance.
    fainally they sayTHERE IS NO GOD BUT ALLAH,MOHAMED [sal} IS HIS MESSENGER

  • Posted By: ymansari @ 01/22/2009 10:36:33 AM

    read last message ' quraan'from god that clear the existance of god and his creation . Fainaly the real scintiest bleve islam

  • Posted By: roger2047 @ 01/22/2009 7:55:32 AM

    its like the purpose of it is to let the creature uncover it on its own and then smile

  • Posted By: wesley_dblvr @ 01/22/2009 6:53:54 AM

    God is not a theory, God is a reality! I know that some folks have difficulty in believing this and it is because some people see things from a standpoint of wanting proof rather than asking why do you need proof? Ask yourself, has Darwin's theory of evolution made me a better person? Has the theory of the Big Bang or Chaos made life any more pleasant or rewarding to me?

    Don't you find it strange that when you are the lowest or highest points in your life that you cry out to God? I never heard a man escaping a life threating situation say thank Big Bang Theory I'm Alive! or hear a mother cry out praise theory of evolution my child got a scholarship!

    Instinctively our inner being is aware of God's existence but our physical being does create a huge challenge to seeing the world around us as it really is. Don't let your hearts be troubled by the world events, you cannot change it on your own. Not even collective science can undo what it has created. Peace be with you....

  • Posted By: wesley_dblvr @ 01/22/2009 6:39:01 AM

    Science has created many useful aids that we rely on and perhaps enjoy everyday. Interestingly none of these creations can function without some human physical input, it may be to push a button, type a code, etc. God's creations, however, don't require these it requires FAITH and all things are possible. Remember! Science describes 'Evolution Theory, Big Bang Theory, Theory of Chaos' they are all theories and quite often other scientists are forever disproving of adding to these theories. There is nothing to add to God's creations, all was created for his glory so even the 'learned scientists' have a part to play in his glory. We all exist for his purpose, not our own. It is when we seek to strike out on our own that we find ourselves in all manner of difficulties forever trying to prove we are right. RIGHT ABOUT WHAT?

  • Posted By: martialguy @ 12/22/2008 6:44:53 PM

    The article quoted
    " 1905 John William Strutt determines the age of a rock: 2 billion years, officially disproving James Ussher's 1650 assertion that, according to Genesis, the universe was created on Oct. 22, 4004 B.C" and
    A fellow researcher and friend of Sandage's was told by a pastor, ""Unless you accept and believe that the Earth and universe are only 6,000 years old [as a literal reading of the Bible implies], you cannot be a Christian.''
    We should agree that
    1) The universe is about 6000 years old
    2) The earth is flat
    3) The sun was created before day and night
    4) Dinosaurs used to roam in human backyards
    Who is against these should be burned alive by the church


  • Posted By: logical_thinker_007 @ 12/22/2008 4:39:53 PM

    Reading the examples in the article, I find some common themes: religious belief often seems to come out of a need to feel that there is something more to life, someone watching over us. It works as a comfort tool, but when you look at all the tragedies going on in the world how can you possibly feel that someone is watching over us? Scientists on the other hand often discount the human need for comfort and spirituality and come across as cold and unfeeling in their rough dismissal of God. Trying to merge science and religion is very dangerous however; I do not like it when some religions use scientific-sounding language to try to sell false information.

    If God did create something, He probably created the RULES of the game ??? but these rules do not guarantee a positive or even fair outcome (i.e. if the chance is 50-50 that the cat will live or die, it is likely that both will happen given repeated trials, so instead of praying for the cat, do not lock the cat in a room that could kill it).

    If God really were in the business of determining individual destinies, then what kind of God would set up such a random world where the best people can meet the worst outcomes, and vice versa? Also, what would be the point of living at all if your outcome is already pre-determined? One could also argue that setting up the rules without determining the outcome really is the most fair way to set up a system that is too large and too complicated to be micro-managed by the Creator. This makes the Creator possible, but praying to Him futile. Of course, then there is the question: who crated the Creator?

    Whether there is a God or not, I think we can all agree that we have to work together to make our lives better on this Earth, because if this really is the only chance we get for life, we must not squander it. If this is just a part of an infinite existence and judgment is still to come, then we really need to make sure that our stay here on Earth leaves a positive legacy.

  • Posted By: jef4 @ 07/03/2008 9:45:54 PM

    I found this article fascinating because it reflects my own experience. I was raised Catholic and attended Catholic grade school and University, both of which drove me to periods of atheism. It was science that solidified my belief in a Creator. The idea that the universe came from nothing and for no reason was rejected as far back as ancient Greece.

    There must be a power, energy or force responsible for the Big Bang. Suggestions to the contrary remind me of "Mommy, the bowl fell off the table all by itself and broke itself."
    The power that caused the universe is what most folks call God. I think it was Max Planck who said the though the universe might be "A matrix in the mind of God." That thought reappears in Thornton Wilder's play "Our Town." Stephen Hawking said that "It becomes increasingly difficult for me to believe that the Universe was created other than by a being who intended it to have an intelligence like us." Newton, despite his now discredited Clockwork Universe, was a religious man himself. And his idea of a universe that ran like a clock prompted the question ???Who wound up the clock????

    Both scientists and theologians rely of both reason and faith. For example, scientists accept on faith that the laws of physics are uniform and theologians use reason when they study ancient secular scripts to supplement and/or confirm Holy Scriptures.

    Congratulations on a well done article that many publications would have avoided.

    • Posted By: SilentObserver_intheCorner @ 12/22/2008 4:25:07 PM

      Here is a question for you: If God created everything that is know and unknown, then what created the creator and are there others?

    • Posted By: RationalOregon @ 12/22/2008 2:05:11 PM

      Jonweist's point about replacing the "why question with god" trumps your assertions. At its most basic level, the discourse between "religion" and science becomes religion wanting to tell us all that "god is the answer to all we don't know." This is inherently untrue, and often misinterpreted as in your own statement that "scientests accept on faith that the laws of physics are uniform." Yet, unlike religions who want god to be the only answer, the scientists are constantly seeking to learn more, and the uniform laws of physics have been and will be changed again as human understanding of the universe advances. Religion asserts the same things it has for thousands of years; science has advanced.

  • Posted By: paulte @ 12/22/2008 11:43:42 AM

    There is no inherent contradiction between science and religion. Science merely examines the natural world. Religion deals with faith. You believe or you don't. I can't prove my religious beliefs to anyone. But to me they are very real. I live that way and I'll die that way, believing that I will be judged when I die and end up in either Heaven, Hell or Purgatory. Personally I'm hoping for Purgatory! Stays in Purgatory always end in Heaven

    People have tried to say that evolution proves there is no God. But has eveolution ever been proven? No, where is all that fossil evidence? God is the Creator and he nade the world his own way. Perhaps he did use evolution in whole or in part. This in no way contradicts the fact that God created the world out of nothing. Does evolution contradict scripture? It would seem that it does but only if you take the book of Genesis literally. The bible is a book of religious truth, not science or history. But this does not mean the bible is inaccurate in science and history. It just means it is not to be used as a science or history book. For example the days of scripture are not to be seen as 24 hr periods, they are to be seen as epochs of time. The same applies to the sun. Earlier science believed the sun had to be created before there was light but later science showed that light did exist before the sun in the form of novae. Over time all these novae coalesced and became the sun. Scripture speaks of light and darkness before the creation of the sun.

    I feel that the days of scripture represent distinct creative points in an otherwise evolutionary scheme. This blend scripture with natural science. The universe no matter how large is not larger than God. God holds the universe in his hands. Merry Christmas to the believers out there in Newsweek land! And to the non-believers, may you find something which sets your heart, mind and soul at rest!

    paulte

    • Posted By: RationalOregon @ 12/22/2008 2:12:49 PM

      I'd like you and your god to wish a Merry Christmas to those in sub-saharan africa dying of aids or starving. Since, ultimately, all religions want us to believe in them and follow "their specific religion's rules," I would REALLY like to hear what god has to say to those BORN into poverty and disease. Must be part of god's plan, but that would make god cruel, to plan for beings to be born into an inescapable environment of suffering.

      The non-believers have plenty to calm their hearts. The knowledge that they aren't misguided Mythologists and Apologists, and instead can work on truly caring about those around them, instead of a cruel and distant myth.

      • Posted By: paulte @ 12/22/2008 3:07:20 PM

        And what does the average atheist do for those who are suffering? Christian missionaries have helped those in Africa during the colonial era and continue to do so. AIDS is spread through sexual immorality. Blame humans for the AIDS epidemic, not God who expects people to live chastely.

        • Posted By: RationalOregon @ 12/22/2008 4:03:10 PM

          I said non-believers, which means anyone who does not follow YOUR chosen religion. Not just atheists, who by the way, do plenty for people suffering; they merely do it because it is right and good, without having to assign the reasons or responsibility to a god.

        • Posted By: SilentObserver_intheCorner @ 12/22/2008 3:52:56 PM

          NO, AIDS is spread not only spread from person, but from husband to wife, boyfriend to girlfriend, and most unfortunately mother to child, some contract it without even knowing it. At least an atheist will acknowledge the science behind the use of prophylactics and, with proper use, curb the spread of AIDS. Where do the church, most notably Catholics, stand on the issue, they ban the use of said prophylactics, that same message is then spread to the missionaries and their noble cause. Not once have I heard or read a report where the message of safe sex come out of a church, just that sex out of wedlock is wrong and that AIDS is for the immoral and the queer. God forbid that anyone would mess up and give in to the flesh, or be forced into a situation, no it the "job" of the "religious" to condemn and judge, at least it what this agonistic has experienced. Oh yeah by the way Merry Christmas you self-righteous __________.

  • Posted By: SilentObserver_intheCorner @ 12/22/2008 3:59:49 PM

    There is no faith in science and no science in faith. For faith to be, one has to believe without question and with science to be, one has to question what they believe.

  • Posted By: jimgreen @ 12/22/2008 2:45:36 PM

    Science and religion are one and the same in Hinduism. Half the Hindu scriptures have scientific texts within, and the two are not seen as rivals or even different: just ways to study the universe.

  • Posted By: jonwiest @ 12/22/2008 10:01:56 AM

    What a pile of BS. All they've done is what so many have done before: replace the WHY question with a fictional answer and called it GOD. But ask them the followup: WHY is GOD, and you won't get any more of an answer than you got before. Just vague mumblings about "always was". The long and short is, there are no answers (yet), and pretending there are is intellectually dishonest.
    The boomers are getting old, and afraid of death.

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