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A nature writer suddenly finds himself at the heart of a hot plagiarism scandal.

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  • Posted By: SheilaE @ 03/21/2008 1:55:56 PM

    Though it seems a bit unfair to stereotype all romance novels as "trashy", I can't fault the writer for sharing their own opinion, espeically if that opinion is based off of what was just read out of that novel. That was terrible! But, it is also not reflective of romance novels of today. Many of romance novels today are written by well educated and/or trained people. Many doctors and attorneys write romance these days. It just isn't the same genre it was back when Edwards started writing romance.
    I think the author here should be given kudos for being able to laugh it off .
    I also think that Cassie Edwards should have at least apologized when the author called her. It's one thing to be ignorant of the law, but another to be ignorant of simple etiquette. My 6 year old know when she owes an apology!
    I felt sorry for Edwards. She got crucified online. I hope she has learned a valuable lesson. I'm sure there are a lot of people who learned from her very media-visible mistake.

  • Posted By: Xavienne @ 03/01/2008 1:40:36 PM

    You're going to call him out as ignorant after someone plagiarizes his work and then claims they didn't know they had to quote source?
    Oh, and FYI? Just because something sells well, doesn't mean it's good, nor classy. Uggs and Crocs are prime examples of this.

  • Posted By: jacywilder @ 02/19/2008 6:03:17 PM

    For someone who writes non-fiction research related pieces, this piece was certainly not researched. Call romance what you will but it is almost 55% of the paperback market. With those kind of numbers your comments only make you seem small and ignorant.

  • Posted By: JayneGray @ 02/19/2008 2:34:54 PM

    Shame on you for using a term as archaic as "Trashy Romance Novels". It might not be an in depth look at something as intriguing as say, ferrets, but it's still hard work writing genre fiction! Something you obviously know nothing about.

  • Posted By: JayneGray @ 02/19/2008 2:32:55 PM

    Shame on you for using a term as archaic as "Trashy Romance Novels". It might not be an in depth look at something as intriguing as say, ferrets, but it's still hard work writing genre fiction! Something you obviously know nothing about.

  • Posted By: Raylene @ 02/10/2008 11:38:01 AM

    So is there really a book about ferrets? And if so where can I get a copy?

  • Posted By: Raylene @ 02/10/2008 11:36:58 AM

    So is there really a ferret book? If there is where can I purchase it?
    Raylene Hampton....ujustpushplay@att.net

  • Posted By: eddiewhere @ 01/16/2008 4:18:48 AM

    eUROpE IS HOME TO THE MOST ANTI SEMETIC pEOpLE IN THE WORLD. WHY DOES ISRAEL NOT BOMB FRANCE OR GERMANY. bECAUSE THEY CAN BOMB BACK. IT IS ALL ELEMENTARY. THOSE WHO ARE pROFITING CONFUSE THE MASSES INTO THINKING ONLY THEY HAVE THE KNOWLEDGE. SWISS BANK ACCOUTS THAT NAZI S OpENED AND ARE STILL ACTIVE TODAY. wHY IS ISRAEL NOT BOMING SWITZERLAND. dID IRAN pROFIT OF OF THE DEATH OF SIX MILLION JEWS. dID THE EUROpEANS NOT KICK THE JEWS OUT OF EUROpE. BE HONEST AND BE FAIR.

    • Posted By: wdtcm @ 02/08/2008 6:21:02 PM

      This has nothing to do with the story being discussed.

  • Posted By: eddiewhere @ 01/16/2008 4:16:33 AM

    If the Arabs did not have oil and own thirteen per cent of the U.S economy would we be in this situtation. Africa is in a state of chaos and genocide yet we do nothing. WHY. It is not profitable. Lets be honest. We know that the trade of nuclear material in eastern europe is the new trend. Yet we ignore the real threat and pusue Iran a country that is joke and can be annihilated in a second. We all know that Iraq is home to over twenty five secret bases in the dessert some the size of the Washington MALL. THE embassy in IRAQ looks like the VATICAN. THis is BIG BUSINESS. WHY aRE WE NOT pUNISHING THE pOWERS THAT GAVE IRAN NUCLEAR TECHNOLOGY. wHY DOES ISRAEL NOT BOMB THE SOURE. BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE pOWER TO BOMB BACK. iRAN IS NOT THREAT, THEY ARE A DESpERATE REGIME AND IN FACT ARE VERY WEAK. if THEY WERE STRONG THEY WOULD HAVE DONE SOMETHING. THEY CANNOT DO NOTHING. AMERICANS NEED TO WAKE Up AND UNDERSTAND THAT OUR GOVERNMENT HAS ITS OWN AGENDA.

    • Posted By: wdtcm @ 02/08/2008 6:20:06 PM

      This has nothing to do with the story being discussed.

  • Posted By: VenividiVicky @ 01/20/2008 4:06:36 AM

    For the record, Georgette Heyer is abysmal. I was dumb enough to read one "Regency" book. Never. Again. Not only it wasn't good literature, it wasn't even passable. Characters were acting absolutely ridiculous for their time, and icky forced molestations that heroine, of course, just loved. (All in times and class of Jane Austen!) I was insulted as a woman and a reader. I am sure she have read some, maybe lots of info about times she's using for her offensive shlock, but it doesn't make her a good writer, or someone who actually understands this time period. There are many serious writers who create historical fiction which doesn't concentrate on who screws who, but rather on portraying the spirit of the era.

    • Posted By: wdtcm @ 02/08/2008 6:17:50 PM

      A point about Georgette Heyer. There are no sex scenes in her books. Ergo, there are no "forced molestations." At the time when she was publishing, noone wrote sex scenes, and, being the kind of writer she was, there wouldn't be.


      Heyer was a classy writer who emulated Austen's tone beautifully and also hewed to the etiquette and other conventions at the time of the Regency.


      Perhaps VenividiVicky is thinking of Kathleen Woodwiss or Rosemary Rogers bodice-rippers? These ladies wrote such "forced molestation" (er, is there such a thing as an unforced molestation?) scenes/rape fantasies that have since been abandoned by contemporary romance writers (both those who write well and those who write abysmally - Ms. Edwards is a case in point).

  • Posted By: vale @ 02/06/2008 3:17:30 PM

    As a Newsweek reader and Defenders of Wildlife member, i was curious about this story! Tolmes wrote an amusing article. THe romance novelist ought to apologize for this and donate fto Defenders of WIldlife. Tolmes b emusement of being quoted (unattirbuted) was priceless..

  • Posted By: BBesold @ 02/06/2008 3:11:08 PM

    OMG! This is one of the funniest articles I've read in a long time. I am both a Defenders of Wildlife supporter and a trashy romance novel fan. While Paul Tolme could simply have erupted in anger and followed through with a lawsuit (rightly so) I LOVE the fact that he went out and bought this novel,then took the time to read through it. His comments are hysterical ~ what an entertaining writer!

  • Posted By: BBesold @ 02/06/2008 3:03:32 PM

    OMG! This article is one of the funniest things I've read in a long time. I am a Defenders of Wildlife supporter and a long time reader of trashy romance novels as well. Kudos to Paul Tolme for his entertaining outlook on the blatant plagiarism of his black-footed ferret article. While he could have just erupted in anger and a lawsuit (rightly so), I love the fact that he went out and bought the novel and actually read through it. His comments throughout this article are priceless!

  • Posted By: LiteraryRX @ 01/25/2008 8:31:05 PM

    Well this is just rediculous. It sounds to me like she is just a lazy writer. They teach about plagiarism the minute you learn your alphabet. She is, I'm sure, aware of her rights as an author and that plagiarism is illegal. In fact I'm sure she's got a contract that says it in a file folder somewhere. With stories of plagiarism floating around the internet and the news CONSTANTLY she can't plead ignorance. She's not only a plagairizer, but a lousy liar. A works cited page is SOOOO easy to write too. Not to mention, if she had put it in her own words and she had written a works cited page I would have been terribly impressed! Lots of authors do research for their books and that includes romance writers. The more research done the better the book. I have a fitting punishment: Write a 50 page paper on the problems with plagairism, how it hurts the original author and the plagairizer, and why (as every four year old knows) it is rude to be a copycat... all in HER OWN WORDS. Does anyone else hear sinister organ music playing in the background?

  • Posted By: LiteraryRX @ 01/25/2008 8:21:34 PM

    This totally shocks me to the core! I'm a literature major and a pharmacy student (random, but it works). Plagiarism of scientific information is rediculously hard and I wonder how much of her high school papers this Edwards woman wrote were plagiarised. Kids write papers about their favorite animals in first grade to get them familiar with the library and their taught that they should not write anything word for word, list facts, and write down sources in a bibliography.... these are FIRST GRADE PAPERS! Not published works. If this Edwards has enough sense to call her lawyer when she's been caught she has enough sense to write a small works cited page and put something CLEARLY scientific in her own words. This is a sign of a lazy writer. Romance writer, researcher, first grader, it doesn't bloody matter. Plagiarism is plagerism and its all over the news (obviously) all the time. Pleading ignorance (which is BS in my opinion) is not a way out. I say we make her sit down and write a book on plagerism and how it not only hurts the original writer, but the plagiarizer as well. And no plagiarizing this time. Seriously. You're a professional writer... how hard is it?

  • Posted By: BarbaraTK @ 01/19/2008 2:26:14 PM

    I'm going to try and explain this again. In no way, shape or form did I compare The Eye of Argon to Ms. Edwards' book.
    I was simply trying to show how Mr. Tolme's statement of "The prose is standard romance-novel shlock." went from a comment on Ms. Edwards' novel to a comment that described all romance novels as shlock.
    Another example would be if I took any SF book at random______(insert title in blank space) and then stated that "the prose in that book is standard science fiction novel shlock."

  • Posted By: BarbaraTK @ 01/17/2008 5:19:24 PM

    I agree that Mr. Tolme bought Cassie's book for research purposes and that he quoted the book accurately. However, when he posted the statement of "The prose is standard romance-novel shlock." he moved from commenting on Cassie's book to a comment on all romance novels regardless of author or cross-genre of romance. I don't believe that reading Cassie's novel made him an expert on the prose of all romance novels. Instead I see him taking his personal opinion of one book and then labeling all romance-novels with that same opinion.

    For example, I could state that the prose in The Eye of Argon
    http://www.dcs.gla.ac.uk/SF-Archives/Misc/eyeargon.html
    is shlock but I could not state that the prose in The Eye of Argon is standard Science Fiction and Fantasy shlock. That statement would have me labeling the prose of all Science Fiction and Fantasy books as shlock.

    • Posted By: Wrenn @ 01/18/2008 10:09:03 AM

      I've seen worse sci fi shlock then the "Eye" . I've been to many Eye of Argon readings, (even the one where it got read through, and the 'competition' won, by Greg Bear, who was promptly disqualified because he was a professional author (and a filker). There is no conclusive evidence that the "Eye" was written to be professionally published, however. It was first published as fan-fic. when Jim Theis was 16 years old. He never attempted to publish any fiction.

      CE is, on the other hand, is considered a professional romance writer, and has 100 books professionally published.

      You can't compare the two.

      • Posted By: BarbaraTK @ 01/19/2008 1:47:38 PM

        My point wasn't to compare The Eye of Argon to Ms. Edwards' book.
        My point was that Mr. Tolme after reading Ms. Edwards' book stated that "The prose is standard romance-novel shlock."
        That would be akin to me saying after reading The Eye of Argon that "The prose is standard SF and Fantasy shlock."
        By making a broad statement of "The prose is standard romance-novel shlock." he commented on all romance novels instead of just one novel.

  • Posted By: BarbaraTK @ 01/17/2008 12:46:19 PM

    I'm aware that there are multiple instances of these info-dumps being discussed at "smart bitches..." This is why I see it as sloppy writing because of the cut and paste nature of the inserted information. I see this as the SHOW versus TELL situation where many writers are instructed to show the information within a scene instead of simply telling it to their readers and boring the crap out of them with the obvious info-dumps.

    Because I write Science Fiction, I'm just curious as to where do you draw the line between inserting factual information into a fiction story and plagiarism?



    • Posted By: lcowper @ 01/18/2008 5:47:47 PM

      There's dumping information and there's quoting whole paragraphs. Let's say there's a science writer who writes about the speed of light in an odd style, for instance, "The speed of light, the speed of light, it's speed, that of light, is 186000 miles per second, give or take, close enough for government work, that's the speed of light." Now if I were to read this author's book and then state somewhere "The speed of light is

    • Posted By: lcowper @ 01/18/2008 5:46:30 PM

      There's dumping information and there's quoting whole paragraphs. Let's say there's a science writer who writes about the speed of light in an odd style, for instance, "The speed of light, the speed of light, it's speed, that of light, is 186000 miles per second, give or take, close enough for government work, that's the speed of light." Now if I were to read this author's book and then state somewhere "The speed of light is 186000 miles per hour," based on reading that book, I'm using a fact. If I say, "The speed of light, the speed of light, it's speed, that of light, is 186000 miles per second..." etc., etc. I'm plagiarising.

  • Posted By: BarbaraTK @ 01/17/2008 3:38:19 PM

    I can understand why you are upset. Mr. Tolme states in this article that ???The prose is standard romance-novel shlock. Bramlett's bosom heaves. Shadow Bear feels a longing in his loins.??? Per his statement, he denigrates the prose in this book and in all romance novels as shlock.

    Per my Merriam-Webster???s Collegiate Dictionary, Tenth Edition, the definition of shlock is as follows:
    Pg. 1082: shlock var of schlock
    Pg. 1044: schlock adj: of low quality or value

    On the other hand, he also admits he purchased Ms. Edwards??? book, a purchase he wouldn???t do under normal circumstances based on his opinion of romance novels in general as books that are ???of low quality or value??? per the dictionary definition of shlock. I wonder how many sales have occurred that wouldn???t have happened prior to the accusations of plagiarism.

    • Posted By: Delle Jacobs @ 01/17/2008 4:05:59 PM

      I'd say he bought the book for research. He did quote from it properly, and I assume accurately. And that is the difference that seems to be confusing to some people. An author does not own the facts he cites. He owns the words he chooses to express the facts. I can write about the Battle of Salamanca, but if I say, "Wellington may have expected- even hoped- that Marmount would attack him on 19 July, but the French marshal wisely..." then I'd better say these are the words of Rory Muir in Salamanca 1812.

      • Posted By: Delle Jacobs @ 01/17/2008 10:54:26 PM

        --Except that Rory Muir does seem to spell the French marshal's name better than I did. It's Marmont.

    • Posted By: BarbaraTK @ 01/17/2008 3:40:45 PM

      I'm still having problems with those extra question marks showing up in my messages instead of the apostrophe and s that I'm using. My apologies for that.

  • Posted By: Maizing @ 01/16/2008 7:34:06 PM

    I have to laugh at the protestations of the posters who are offended by the terms "trashy romance novel" and "bodice ripper." I'm sure that the author used these terms to differentiate the type of novel his work was cut and pasted in from the more worthy romances by such authors as Georgette Heyer.

    It is well known that there are trashy romance novels, just as there are cliche ridden westerns, or other bad prose in any of the many other genres of literature. I can't help but wonder, however, if these different posts are actually all by the same person using different names/email addresses.

    • Posted By: Delle Jacobs @ 01/16/2008 10:33:20 PM

      An interesting observation. However I'm sure I'm only one person. With well over ten thousand romance writers in this country, there's no reason to be repetitive. But personally I've never heaved a bosom or throbbed whatever might be throbbed, or even ripped a bodice in any of my books. Although I suppose a clumsy heroine might trip- catch the corset strings on a hoe handle- tumble down a hill and snag her bodice on a ferret claw.

      • Posted By: Maizing @ 01/17/2008 1:50:59 PM

        Wait a minite! Are you ADMITTING that you are the same poster as "Frangipani" and "Kizzycat?"

        Also... if you are saying that the novels that you write do not belong to the sub-category of "Trashy Romance," then why are you offended by Mr Tolme's use of the term to refer to a book that plainly DOES belong to that sub-category?

        • Posted By: Delle Jacobs @ 01/17/2008 2:49:27 PM

          No, I think that was your thought, not mine. I'm just me, and I don't know them. That must mean we're not all the same poster.

          Likely you are right about the quality of the particular novel. No objection there, although it's not one I'm willing to read to find out. I don't have a lot of reading time. Unfortunately, the words "trashy" and "bodice-ripper" no longer imply j, and pretended they hadn'tust one book in the public mind. They have been so consistently used to denigrate romances in general for so long, they have become an insult to all romance authors. They don't apply to one book or one author anymore. They are associated with all books of the genre just as surely as racial epithets are to all individuals of a race. And they are insulting.

          Bodice ripping went out of style decades ago, yet it is still flashed around as an overall ridiculing term, and almost always by people who have never read any romance novels, or who just read the sex scenes in the 1970s. No one author or book should be held up as an example of all others in its genre. I will continue to defend Mr Tolme regarding plagiarism. But it never feels good when one author insults the works of other authors. Oh, and it's Jane Austen, not Jane Austin.

          • Posted By: Maizing @ 01/17/2008 9:25:48 PM

            Well, after reading more of your posts, it is obvious that you are indeed not the posters I had been referring to in my first post. You did confuse me a little though, when you said, "However I'm sure I'm only one person."

            I am not an author, so perhaps I am not as sensitive as you are regarding the statement which I personally took to refer to a specific sub-category of romance novels and which you seem to feel was directed at all romance novels. I have a wide and varied taste in literature, ranging from the classics such as Bronte and Austen, to science fiction, more modern romance, non-fiction, horror, westerns... pretty much you name a genre and there is at least one author of that category that I like... and I have consistently found that any time there is a popular category, there will be "authors" undeserving of the title who crank out crap in an effort to cash in on that popularity.

            It has been my experience that even good authors aren't always so. In an early novel by one of my favorite western authors, he once referred to the very same horse as a mare, a stallion and a gelding all in the same paragraph.

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