Mitt Romney managed to capitalize on his Michigan background to win the state primary. Can he maintain the momentum?
Comment: For those of you who wish to see why Romney makes the best candidate, and leaves the others despising him read this...
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/01/why_they_hate_mitt_romney.html
Comment: Here is a link to a paper that was published 8 or 9 years ago by a couple of leading evangelical scholars re: mormonism and the book of mormon. It's attempt is to wake evangelicals up to the fact that they are being out researched by the mormons and that their tired old arguments have been largely discredited, yet they continue to spew the same stuff over and over again.
Their conclusion:
"Some may criticize us for giving the Mormons too much credit and for being too harsh on fellow evangelicals. However, much like testifying against a loved one in court, we cannot hide the facts of the matter. In this battle the Mormons are fighting valiantly. And the evangelicals? It appears that we may be losing the battle and not knowing it."
This is not a link as a rip on evangelicals. I only offer it as a credible voice (credible to evangelicals who have ear plugs in when it comes to listening to anyone of the mormon faith). If nothing else, it is educational for those of us on both sides of this faith debate.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3803/is_199810/ai_n8808757/print
Comment: A couple of encouraging developments for Mitt supporters. He seems to be closing the gap and perhaps taking the lead in Florida. See links below:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/fl/florida_republican_primary-260.html
http://politicalwire.com/archives/2008/01/23/ppp_poll_romney_takes_florida_lead_after_thompson_exit.html
Comment: And here's another Newsweek article comparing the candidates stance on No Child Left Behind (NCLB):
http://www.newsweek.com/id/96405
Very good article for those who want to know specifically the candidtaes views on this issue and expert opinions on those positions.
Comment: And here's another article by Newsweek comparing the candidiates educational platforms:
http://www.newsweek.com/id/96405
Comment: PLEASE READ:
DO US ALL A FAVOR AND IGNORE HOLYROLLER'S POSTS.
He's really sad and lonely...he seeks your company by drawing you into a contentious debate. He tempts you and baits you into angry, hate laced conversations. You walk away wishing ill feelings towards him. Sound familiar?
He needs folks to respond to him to feel important. Don't oblige. No hateful lie he tells about the Mormon church can actually make it true. Folks who already dislike Mormons will be inclined to agree with him and not listen to a thing you say in defense. People with a sense of decency and any intelligence will dismiss him and his comments for what they are...and they don't need to hear from you to make up their mind.
On with the POLITICAL discussion. Cheers.
Comment: Are you saying that Romney's faith is not "on the table"? Is he not a leading example to America what mormons are really like? Is his faith weak, therefore not a factor in the decisions he makes? I for one, put GOD first in my decisions. If I, and countless others feel that the mormon lie is perverted and unholy, and dangerous. Should I not be allowed to state that view. And how did BRIGHAM YOUNG lead his faithful when he had 57 WIVES and a gizzilion kids to take care of? Your god does do miracles.
Comment: Cmon roller.... you still have answered the questions put before you in any of this thread. Again, your not searching for the truth, just trying to dis on everyone else. Next, you will start on Abraham for the wives he had......
Comment: Mormons say they believe in Jesus but the Jesus they serve is not the Biblical Jesus. The Jesus of the Mormon Church is the brother of Lucifer. Jesus is a spirit child of God the Father and a heavenly mother by physical union. (sex) Jesus was born a child and through obedience to the Laws became a God, therefore Jesus has not always been God. Jesus' shed blood on the cross does not atone for all sins, but there are certain sins that the blood of Jesus does not atone for. Jesus after He was crucified and raised to life married three women and had offspring.
Mormons say they believe in God the Father but He is not the same One from the Bible. Mormons believe that God the Father was once a man who became a God. Mormons believe that God the Father had a father, and his father had a father, an endless progression of Gods. That means God has not always been God, but the Father was at one time not God by nature.
Mormons say they believe in the Trinity but their definition is different. The Mormon Church teaches that the Father, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit (Trinity) are three different Gods. Mormons believe the Trinity is one in purpose not in nature.
Mormons say they are the only true Church. The Mormon Church teaches that they are the only true Church and that all others are the Church of the devil. They may not say this to you but they do teach this.
Mormons say they believe in the Bible. The Mormon Church teaches that there are 4 holy books. These books are: the Book of Mormon, the Pearl of Great Price, Doctrines and Covenants, and the Bible. The Bible in the Mormon Church is least looked upon for doctrine and theology. Mormons are taught that the Bible is correct as long as it goes with their theology. If the Bible contradicts what the other 3 books say or their theology, than the Bible is wrong according to the Mormon Church.
Are these comments true or lies?
Comment: You know holy if all you can do is spew waste I can't even take the time to respond to you. I'm still waiting for your response on the fact that the bible has books mentioned in it and yet they're lost. According to you the Book of Mormon can't be a real book of scripture bnecause it's not right with the Bible. By the way show me a factual reference that states that Mormons belive Jesus married three women after he was crucified. Also, yes we do belive that some sins even Jesus' atonement won't make up for. So, being the "Christian" that you claim to be no matter if a church has different believes than yours, instead of trying to understand your church must belive in savage attacks without any factual data behind it? Wow, I thought Christians were supposed to be understanding and loving not hate mongers that spread rumors. Holy Roller, all I see of you is hate and prejudice against another faith without any real facts. One day we'll each be judge by the perfect judge hopefully by then you have come to understand a true Christian view.
Comment: I am continually answering your questions. Yet, rather than acknowledge them, you run off to find some other half truth, lie, or distortion to bring up. When you are ready to handle one at a time, and acknowledge some stuff - I will respond in detail to your questions. However, for now I will say that the items you bring up are not in congruence with official church doctrine. And, as far as the LDS church teaching they are the only true church..... doesn't every church believe that? Doesn't every christian faith or denomination, which count over 3,000 believe their religion is the correct one? Didn't they form their own, new church, because they interepreted the bible a little bit different? Don't some think baptism by water is needed, and some not, and some by sprinkiling, and some by immersion, and some by dippiing, etc...? Shouldn't every church think they are teh correct church and be committed to it? And shouldn't they all be willing to respect the right and freedom of each individual to join whichever church they will? So what if the mormons subscribe to their interpretation of the bible, doesn't every other denomination? Even those that profess to be non-denominational, still seperate themselves so that they are also a denomination. Roller, if you were reasonable, we could have an enlightening conversation to get to know and respect one another. But you are not about understanding, tolerating, and become somewhat educated. Your desire is to detract, protest, and judge..... which means your mind, and heart, are closed to being the "good samaritan". Jesus was harsh with the pharisees not becuase of their doctrine, but because of their hearts. Their hearts were hardened so they could not understand. So are the people who deliberately teach to be fearful of any faith including the LDS. Their hearts are hard, so rather than let the religion take its course, their choice is to fight against it. Fighting against anything but sin, has never been the Lord Jesus Christ's stance. You would do well to take an inner look at your motives and reasons for such hatred. And having said that, if I had studied all the anti LDS books and movies you have, and did not know the truth to what they believed, I would be skeptical myself. So, you need to take a different approach to it..... Your anger and attack actually discredits your opinion.
Comment: yea, your candidate wants stimulants in the economy, thats like part time or temporary help. yea, thats an answer, tell me that they are not big government candidates.
your only fooling yourself.
Total change in government is the answer.
Tell me what you candidate is going to do, how he is going to do it, not just bla, bla, bla.
are any of them talking about putting trillions of Americans dollars back into their pockets or just a couple of hundred, Temporarily. thats what I thought, no thanks, bla, bla, bla.
Ron Paul, none of the other candidates even match the qualifications like Ron Paul.
Comment: Oh, not true. My sister is a Ron Paul supporter, but she can't produce any real accomplishments from Ron Paul either. I would NEVER hire someone for a job if their resume consisted entirely of "good ideas" without any realy experience.
That sums up Ron Paul. He's only had to vote one way or another for 20 years in congress to establish his "record". But, he's rarely been on a winning side of a vote. He's never had to administer a single program that he has argued for. He's never had to deliver, just talk.
Ron Paul would be a great radio talkshow host, but he has NO proven record to lead the country. People who talk and have interesting ideas should be legislators (as he is). People with executive and leadership accomplishment should be President's.
And in all of that, I am giving you the benefit of assuming that all (or a substantial majority) of his ideas or good ones....A point with which I DO NOT agree. For me his ideas don't matter as much simply because he can't pass the first and most important test.
Comment: You sister can't be mormon then. Even Pinky Reid's mormon democrats voted for him in Nevada.
Comment: Whatever
Comment: Ron Paul actually has some great ideas, and some not so great. The problem that exists, however, is no real clear plan on how to implement these "ideas". From that standpoint, he may get little accomplished, and little support from other politicians. Again, however... good ideas.
Comment: Proven track record of solving complex problems, and of keeping campaign promises. He's the whole package.
Comment: Mr. Romney is the best! Lithuanians with You.
Rolandas Tucas
Comment: Mitt, politics off-limits for Mormon missionaries- The LDS Church's mission is "to preach the gospel of Jesus Christ," LDS spokesman Scott Trotter said Friday. "As a church we are politically neutral and have instructed our missionaries to focus on that mission and to respectfully decline any invitations to discuss politics."
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints bans all political discussion from its pulpits and young missionaries are not allowed to read newspapers or watch television, so they may not even know of the intense political debates swirling about them.
So as far as that political agenda what do you say now Holy?
Comment: Wow, Holly take a look at this:
The LDS Church's mission is "to preach the gospel of Jesus Christ," LDS spokesman Scott Trotter said Friday. "As a church we are politically neutral and have instructed our missionaries to focus on that mission and to respectfully decline any invitations to discuss politics."
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints bans all political discussion from its pulpits and young missionaries are not allowed to read newspapers or watch television, so they may not even know of the intense political debates swirling about them.
The amazing part here roller is that this is the Sltribune.com, again a orginization not controlled by the church. The article is titled, "Mitt, politics off-limits for Mormon missionaries".
The amazing part
Comment: I live in Tiffin, Ohio and Bain Capital bought American Standard in October/2007 and closed our plant within 3 months. Mitt Romney started Bain Capital and ran it until 1998. They closed our plant (barely giving us 22 weeks notice) and I had 29 years of service and they gave us no severance and I mean nothing. Mitt Romney is in Michigan campaigning he will save jobs
Comment: American Standard, that is the plumbing fixture company? Are they going out of business? If so, another reason why NAFTA doesn't work in my opinion. We are allowing goods, in particular from China, to make there way here without decent tariffs. And since they, China, has no child labor laws.... and we do.... well, it costs to much for us to produce it. I hope whether it is Romney, or any other Republican or Democrat... this changes.
Comment: Sorry to here that you lost your job and benefits. I don't know exactly what this has to do with Romney however. He no longer holds a stake in the day to day operations of Bain Capital. No longer associated. And, one man cannot save everymans job. Doesn't make your situation any better... at the same time, it is not Romney's fault you no longer have a job. I am sure most of us could talk about unfair breaks, and beatings we have taken in jobs, etc..... Good luck to you, when one door closes - another opens.
Comment: Hey Jazzy, are you a paid consultant? I hope so, because if you actually believe your words, you would probably believe that fairy tale about an angel giving the true secrets of God to a convicted con man, so the con man could save the sheep. No, just kidding, surely no one would fall for that.
Comment: Sad this is roller, you ask and ask and ask.... we give answers. The only thing you give back in return is jabs and pokes. Is as if you know you are wrong, so you just continue on with the argument. We know your type Roller....
Comment: I live in Tiffin, Ohio and Bain Capital bought American Standard in October/2007 and closed our plant within 3 months. Mitt Romney started Bain Capital and ran it until 1998. They closed our plant (barely giving us 22 weeks notice) and I had 29 years of service and they gave us no severance and I mean nothing. Mitt Romney is in Michigan campaigning he will save jobs
Comment: Can you explain away all these books? By the way why not give someone whose died proper respect by refering to them with the correct name. Joe Smith didn't fabricate what I stated at all, I looked for lost books mentioned in the bible through Wikipedia, or wait is that a devious trick of Joseph Smith?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Lost_Jewish_texts
Comment: No I can't but I'll look into it, but are any of those books called The Book of Mormon. I looked and didn't see it anywhere.
Comment: You truly are amazing Holy. So, your logic to explain away the Book of Mormon is that since it's not mentioned in the Bible it must be false? LOL Oh, just to make you aware, Joseph Smith was never convicted in a legal accusation in all his life. The whole idea that you have that he did this for money and sex, he never had much money thats why many times he needed the help of his fellow members to survive. Maybe you can also look into the number of children he and his wife lost due to mobs breaking into his house and dragging him out in the middle of the night to tar and feather him.
Oh and just a couple things here, (pulling straight from the Bible), look at Gal. 5:22. A true Christian wouldn't be posting all these lies and accusations like you are because the fruits are the opposite of the spirit referenced in this verse. I must say I'm still waiting for factual data to back up these claims that you keep making. If Joseph Smith was such a con how come the church didn't fall after he died? Here's another scripture you could use. Matthew Ch. 7 vs. 20. If the Mormon Church is such a cult than why do we help everyone each time a natural disaster occurs? Many churches help at sometime I don't doubt that but the LDS faith is a leader in providing relief for others. Oh as for the Trinity and the "one" scriptural reference , again how can one person be in 3 places at once as in Jesus' baptism? The one refers to one in purpose. Luke 23:46 states that Jesus cried with a loud voice and commended his spirit into God's hands. So, does that mean He commended his spirit into his own hands? This logic is dizzying.
Comment: Wow... not even the decency to look up those scriptures that you claim don't exist in the bible. Of course if you did, you would realize you are incorrect. But, you aren't man, or women enough to admit you are incorrect on this one. Some would call it pride and arrogance.....
Comment: Mitt Romney for President!!!!!!!!!! THompson VP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Michael Medveb.........??????? Misguided talk show host?
Comment: Holyroller, seeing how you seem to think that everything is in the bible maybe you can explain 2 Samuel Ch 1 verse 18 where it references a book called JASHER. Where is this book if the bible is complete?
Comment: 1) Its the only time its mentioned
2)It means the book of SONGS
More devious tricks of Joe Smiths fabrications. As my LORD said, "if you have seen me you have seen the FATHER" or "I am in the FATHER and the FATHER is in me" or "In the beginning was the WORD and the WORD was with God and the WORD was GOD....all things were made by him and without him was not anything made that was made" or"YE are from beneath, I am from above, ye are of this world I am not of this world."
JESUS did not become a God, he was, is and always will be ONE. The Alpha and the Omega. To teach multiple gods is heresy.
Comment: Can't imagine why I'm bothering, but: Check out John 2:17, 2 Corintnians 13:1, 1Corinthians 5:9, Luke 24:46, Gal 4:7. Pay attention to quotes and "It is wrttten". Where? See also Num 21:14, 1Kings 11:41, 1 Chron. 29:29, 2 Chron. 9:29, 12:15, 13:22, 20:34, 33:19. Paul's Epistle to the Ephesians (ch 3 v3)mentions an earlier letter. Where is that? Or his epistle to the church at Laodicea (Col 4:16)? The prophecies of Enoch, mentioned by Jude (ch1 v14)? See also Ex 24:7, 1 Sam 10:25, 2 Chron 26:22. And where is the prophecy spoken of by Mathew (ch2 v23) that the savior would be a Nazarene?
Look at the history of how the Bible was assembled and who did it. It is the work of God, of course, but we mortal, arrogant and ignorant humans have done a gross amount of damage to most of God's good work. Look what Hollywood has done to the miracle of reproduction. I mean...sheesh... who first insisted that the Bible was complete, whole, without flaw? The same folks who said the pope was infallible? THINK MAN!
Comment: Book of Jasher mentioned, uhhhh.... two times.
Comment: I'm really beginning to like you! If only we could recruit you to accompany Mormon missionaries on visits. You could spew your hate and vitriol, then the missionaries could follow by sharing the the gospel of Jesus Christ. I'm sure conversion rates would SKYROCKET!
MORMON'S FOR HOLYROLLER -- It's a new fan club...I'm electing myself President.
Go get em Roller...keep spewing!!!
Comment: Thanks, and I'll gladly accept some of that mormon gold. Just to offset some of our startup costs..Who knows we might be able to save some of those lost souls.
Comment: Still can't answer the questions..... anyone who would read through all these threads can already see through your tirades. Lots of heat, lots of hate, lots of false accusations..... It reminds me of the pharisees, they knew they were wrong, but their pride wouldn't allow them to admit it. In the end, they made sure they crucified the truth.
Comment: You never did respond to the baptism of jesus and the 3 distinct events that took place. Nor to the Stoning of Steven. It's not multiple Gods. Jesus, as he also said, was the Son of God. I am sure you have something to explain that one away with, as if God is trying to pull the wool over our eyes. I also found the comment by Thomas Jefferson particularly interesting, but you never responded to that one either. Nor did you explain how the bible was compiled.
For you it is more about the argument, as the there are plenty of facts to send your way.
Also, There is more than just one book that did not make it into the bible that we have in our hands today. For your education the book of jasher is mentioned two times in 2 Sam 1:18 and again in Josh 10:13. Wars of the LOrd mentioned in Num 21:14, Acts of Solomon 1Kings 11:41, Samuel the seer 1 CHR 29:29, Book of Nathan the Prophet (1 chr 29:29), Prophecy of Ahijah 2 CHR 9:29, Epislte ot the church at Laodicea (COL 4:16), Additional epistle to Corinthians by paul (1 cor 5:9, Eph 3:3), and about tem more that I could list for you if you would like. I will have you check these out first. ANd, you still haven't responded to my Ezekiel 37 passage of another book that would unite the lost tribes.
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Comment: Still can't answer this one can you Roller.... it has dumfounded you. Go ask your preacher how to respond to this, I am sure there is some way you can come back and give a quick jab and avoid the subject.
Comment: And by the way, that is information from Joseph Smith - those are books that you can find information about on the internet, along with about 30 others...... but the ones I mentioned are in your book, that you hold in your hand - if it is a good translation. I don't know what some of the bikers books say, or the leary translation, etc...etc... etc...
Comment: Correction on the above, I meant to write that the information isn't from Joseph Smith - as you claim as lies in your above post. It is actually books you can research on the internet, put lost books, or any of the ones I mentioned in google, or just read your bible as it mentions most of them in there. If you need some help I can send you out a good King James BIble with some great search and help tools like a bible dictionary, etc... if you can use it. No charge... just my gift to you. And I truly am not trying to be a jerk, its just that some people get all this misinformation from well or not so well intentioned people, then they slam us with it, without really checking stuff out. Just trying to clear some of that stuff up. Next Lesson - I will show you how the bible was compiled, that should clear up a couple more lousy, structured arguments some people use.
Comment: "it is not insignificant that this *** laude JD/MBA graduate of Harvard guidied Bain Capital to become a hugely successful private equity investment firm and rescued them from financial collapse. Romney was brought in to save the 2002 WInter Olympics whent eh games were mired in scandal and $379 million in debt. Romney was able to turn the situation around completely so that the games actually tunred a $100 million profit instead. (He also gave back his salary). That's not slick, that's substance." - Mona Charen
Comment: John 10:30 "I and My Father are one."
John 12:44-45 And Jesus cried out and said,"He who believes in Me, believes not in Me but in Him who sent Me. And he who sees Me sees Him who sent Me."
John 14:6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me."
Matthew 7:15 "Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves.
2 Peter 2:1-2:2 But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction. And many will follow their destructive ways, because of whom the way of truth will be blasphemed.
Comment: You know, the best way to fully understand this is to read that great prayer given by Christ on behalf of his diciples. Read all of John, chapter 17, but especially v21-24: That they may be one; as thou, Father, art in me and I in thee, that they may be one in us; that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: I in them, thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them as thou hast loved me. Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me; for thou lovest me before the foundation of the world. And for Pete's sake, read the whole chapter. You might actually try prayerfully reading the whole book. You take stuff out of context and you come up with nutty ideas like... like what? The Trinity, or Karl Jung's theory of Collective Consious? Was Christ praying to himself, or was he an appendage of himself praying to his head, and are we all being invited to join together in one massive ball of collective I Am? Anyone who looks at the Bible as a whole will see the Trinity is a false doctrine. Points in favor of it can only be made by small verses taken out of context with the rest of the Book.
What kind of One were Adam and Eve supposed to be with one another?
You won't find a Mormon anywhere who will disagree with any of the verses you listed. Heck, we quote the same ones. We just keep them in context with the verses that surround them and with the rest of the Book.
Yes, Jesus Christ is the Creator, the Alpha and the Omega, Jehovah of the Old Testament. Our Savior, Redeemer, our mediator, "No man cometh unto the Father, but by me." That is why we pray in his name. To the Father, to whom Christ prayed.
Comment: Adam and Eve, husband and wife, one flesh. Same thing?
Comment: And all your babbling proves what point? That Jesus and the Father are one? Of course they are...... But in the words of Thomas Jefferson - ???Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them, and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere abracadabra of the mountebanks (charlatan) calling themselves priests of Jesus. The notion that 3 can be 1 and 1 can be 3.???
One in person. Jesus coming up out of the water, the holy ghost desends like a dove, the voice from heaven stating "thisis my beloved son in whom I am well pleased." God is either a great ventriliquist or the idea of 3 in 1 is a christian tradition decided 1700 years ago.
Comment: I'll reply to this tomorrow, since I am out of here right now. But please, anyone who wishes to add in please, by all means. One qucik tid-bit to HolyRoller; it is very well proven that the scriptures can be used to justify just about any position that you wish, when they are taken out of context and quoted as such. This is why the Book of Mormon is so wonderful, because it fills the gaps that are missing from the Bible. But for now, everyone else, please feel free to have at it...
Comment: RE: To aad's comment "This is why the Book of Mormon is so wonderful, because it fills the gaps that are missing from the Bible."
Fills in the Gaps? Thanks for proving one of my main points-Mormons add to the Bible to support their insane prophet Joseph Smith and his meeting with Satan!
Comment: I was a Holy Roller, after I was a S. Baptist for nearly 30 years. I spewed all the same things that come out of your heart and mind. I was wrong. No one convinced me. I did not like the anger and hatred that was in my heart, and I sought repentance from my Savior, Jesus Christ. I knew that those feelings were manifest by Satan. I investigated for myself. I was wrong, and so are you. Seek earnestly and honestly for the truth.
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Comment: You don't understand the purpose of the Book of Mormon. As it states on it cover, it is "Another Testament of Jesus Christ". I believe it to be the un-adulterated word of God. It has not been corrupted by the influence of man. I also believe that the Bible is the word of God, as long as it is correctly translated. HolyROller, you are just so hate filled; I feel for you, man. I really do... The problem is, there are so many people just like you willing to be controversial and angry. You need to let the Holy Spirit guide you. Who is the father of contention... What have you been creating here on this post..? Nothing but contention, those of us who are helping you to understand how it is you who have been mis-guided are doing so oonly out of love, concern and compassion for you, one who does not have the truth in his life. Like I've said before to you, I really feel for you man. I was once that way as well...
Comment: For such [are] false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore [it is] no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works." (2 Corinthians 11:13-15 King James Bible)
Comment: And what are you trying to say by this one? That eventually your works will either substantiate you or not? Fine with that, what you been doing in your community lately Roller? Putting on anti mormon conferences or something? That ought to score you some points with heaven eh? You'd be better, as we all would, taken a lesson from Mother Theresa....... as near as I can tell she wasn't to much slamming on others doctrines as much as she was just trying to help out God's children. Wonder how God will look at that in the next life?
Comment: Every verse I quoted were directly from Jesus except for 2 Peter!
Comment: Stuff I quoted was from the King james version. No one is turning down the fact the stuff you are saying is from the bible. We just are questioning your translation. And it is evident it is off track.
Comment: Still quoting your venom eh?
UnHoly Roller just wants to argue. He still hasn't responded to most of my questions or comments back to him..... Just keeps digging more dirt to publish....
Comment: Mitt Romney for President.... Mr Thompson, VP. Rudy G Sec of Defense.
Comment: For all of your slandering of the Mormon church, and your little Expose's on our beleifs, the fact still remains that you haven't convinced anyone. You can send them to all the different anti-mormon site you want but just think, how many people have read your rantings and have actually went to LDS.org to find out for themselves. I say to you go ahead. Rant, rave, fling your stones, but know this. The work of God has stayed the test of time itself , nor you, nor the world, or the very powers of Hell can stop this work from moving on. They may have murdered Jopseph smith, but guess what.......God called ANOTHER prophet.....and another....and another.....and there will always be a prophet on this earth to receive revelation for the world as pertaining to His will, until our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ returns . Until that day fight if you wish, but it won't do anything but keep you from the blessing that are awaiting you.
Comment: "6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: 7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. 9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any [man] preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed." (Galatians 1:6-9 King James
Comment: How come your profits keep changing doctrine. GOD doesn't change but Mormon doctrine sure does. Unless your just fooling us all, maybe polygamy is still as much fun as it used to be. And maybe blacks still are cursed
Comment: Yes, the scriptures state that "...God is the same, yesterday, today and forever." But that does not mean that we stay the same. When we are ready for something new, or God pushed us too far too fast, HIS requirements of us change. It is well known that when Moses first descended from Mt. Sinai that he held God's higher laws, yet when Moses saw what had happened during his absence to the Israelites, God said they were not yet ready, and had them wander in the wilderness for 40 years until they were purged from the people. If God is the same and doesn't change, what did Jesus mean when He said, "I have not come to break the law but to fulfill the law"..? The Savior's ministry fulfilled the Law of Moses and instituted the higher law of the Gospel. God's rules for us changed, we were ready for this next step, yet,mankind failed miserably and fell into apostacy (no light from God). Here is a real quick snap shot of evidence that the heavens have opened to us once again. How did Julius Caesar arrive at his coronation? By a horse drawn carriage. Nearly 2000 years later, Abraham Lincoln arrived at his Presidential Innaugeration by a horse drawn carrieage as well. In just over a hundred years since Lincoln, we have put a man on the moon, the internet, technology has greatly advanced. In 1830, God and His Son Jesus Christ appeared to the boy Joseph Smith and ushered in the new age that we are living in now. If God is the same, why are we not still riding horses everywhere? His technology for us would be the same, wouldn't it, why would we need more..? What is always the same is the end that the Lord wants for us, and that is eternal life and exaltation; how he helps us accomplish His goal for us changes. Why not call a true prophet if He wants us to do something? All of the founders of the modenr religions, save one, does not claim divine resoration from God Himself. His church changes as we change and are ready for more...
Comment: Now I understand-the mormon god is more technologically advaned thanwhat traditional Christians believe. I certainly am more convinced now that mormons and Scientologists are cut from the same cloth.
Comment: Actually not more technologically advanced, just less of a mystery..... He really isn't trying to confuse us.
Comment: HolyRoller - It doesn't matter what I believe, it matters what is your set of morals and standards. Do you believe that your God (however you worship Him) sanctifies your approach to calling another person to repentence? Are you living by the Evangelical, "Non-Denominational", and Born-Again Christian creed of "WWJD"..? Please, quit judging me, and other LDS, for my/our beliefs, which are founded in my/our faith in Christ (the ONLY definition of what it means to be a true Christian). "Judge ye not, lest ye be judged." Is the Golden Rule any part of your set of standards..? If so, then I guess it would be okay for someone like me to publically denigrate your belief structure, because that is sure what you have been up to. Don't get me wrong, HolyRoller, as I stated a long time ago, you have the right to say and do anything you wish; that's America, but ask yourself, WWJD..? If you are even half the "Christian" you claim to be, be honest, with everything that you have said here, would you be ashamed to stand in front of the Savior to give an accounting of what you have done..? I yes, you're a much prouder person than I am. Be the person you claim to be, stand-up and be a man, agree to disagree, but quit trampling over another person's faith.
Comment: You will never see a Latter-Day Saint jumping on and off a couch on National TV and you will never see a Latter-Day Saint criticize a good friend for getting help for his/her depression on National TV. It's unfortunate that your fear overtakes your ability to be tolerant of others. Scientologists embrace their beliefs because it works well for them in their lives-you don't have to agree with it but it is also not your place to judge them. There are PROFOUND differences between The Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-Day Saints and Scientology. To lump them into the same category is very ignorant and uninformed. You really should do some research into the things you profess to know everything about.
Comment: The Light NEVER went out in me. The light shines in me because the Holy Ghost resides in me.
Comment: I'm thinking probably not. If you think all of your ranting is inspired by the Holy Ghost, then your Holy Ghost is quite a bit different than the one that tells prompts me to just be respectful of you, even in the face of your constant offensive attacks.
I am begining to see your point, though. Mormon doctrine is quite different from the doctrine you adhere to. The thoughts and feelings you claim to be inspired from the Holy Ghost, we would ascribe to satan, the adversary, the father of all lies.
Comment: Comment: "6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: 7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. 9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any [man] preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed." (Galatians 1:6-9 King James
Comment: How does it reside in you? According to your doctirne the holy ghost isn't a force, and he the father and the son are all one. What kind of stuff you got going on inside you there Roller?
What kind of doctrine you preachin?
Comment: I am a Latter-Day Saint living in Las Vegas and feel that a lot of LDS members will be voting for Mitt simply because he's LDS. I, for one, will not because our views on the issues don't synch up. That, I believe, is the correct way to choose a candidate.
HolyRoller:
That being said, anyone who is comfortable in their religious/spiritual "skin" will have no reason to denigrate,denounce or publicly decimate another person's choice of religion. If they feel so inclined, it is out of fear and not from an intelligent or intellectual base. I liken in to homophobia, bigotry or anything else that compartmentalizes another group of human beings. True Christianity is tolerance, kindness and service to all our brothers and sisters - NOT just the ones we agree with.
Comment: Holyroller, I suggest you practice watch you preach. Spend your time in study your own belief and not slandering others. I do believe there are many good religions and good people in the world. But, those who focus one denouncing someone else???s beliefs and not studying the doctrine of their own beliefs are still trying to find out what they believe.
Comment: Many good religions? First Christianity is not a religion -reliligion is death. The Pharisees were the most religious people of their time. But I guess with as many Gods as mormons have they need a few extra religions to place them in.
Comment: Man, HolyRoller, you just keep showing your ignorance. Do you even know who the Pharisees were..? There is only one GOD, the Eternal Father, LDS believe in HIm and worship only HIm, we pray to only Him, but through our Mediator, Savior, Advocate to the Father, who is Jesus Christ. You would have us beleive that There are more than one GOD (look at your posts saying that Jesus is Equal to God, and that the HOLY GHOST is GOD). HolyRoller, you are one sad little man... I feel sorry that you really have no foundation for your faith, you're like a feather blowing in the wind. All LDS please sing along with me "How Firm a Foundation, ye saints of the Lord..."
Comment: Just shut up man. Your rhetoric is getting old, and you have convinced no one. The LDS church has cold hard facts as to the good it has done in the world, and continues to do unannounced. The LDS church has grown to over 13 faithful members currently worldwide in under 200 years. The growth of this church should be proof enough that even though the origins of its latter day restoration may seem as you put it, "out there", people still come to a realization that this is the COMPLETE truth. Note that I didn't say THE truth, but rather the whole plan of God, along with the authority to act in His name. Bottom line is that I have found something precious and good and righteous, and you only have your hate, and pride. I pity you. I'm sorry.
Comment: Just shut up man. Your rhetoric is getting old, and you have convinced no one. The LDS church has cold hard facts as to the good it has done in the world, and continues to do unannounced. The LDS church has grown to over 13 faithful members currently worldwide in under 200 years. The growth of this church should be proof enough that even though the origins of its latter day restoration may seem as you put it, "out there", people still come to a realization that this is the COMPLETE truth. Note that I didn't say THE truth, but rather the whole plan of God, along with the authority to act in His name. Bottom line is that I have found something precious and good and righteous, and you only have your hate, and pride. I pity you. I'm sorry.
Comment: I have seen the media in general either try to ignore the fact that Mitt Romney is even in the race or the just slander him in anyway they can. Truly you can tell that the media thinks John McCain is the person that should run as the Republican Party nominee. I don't even think John McCain is a Republican, but he didn't stand a chance running against Obama or Clinton. So now they want to get two Democrats to run against each other with no real republican at all!! Mitt Romney is NOT A FLUKE. He won in Michigan. Obviously the writers of these articles have not noticed that our economy is struggling. It is not just an issue in Michigan it is an issue nation wide. Look at the stock market look at the housing industry and the lending industry. We need someone to help us rebuild a struggling economy. Mitt Romney is the man the can do this, his history has shown it.
Comment: Daylight- I agree that Romney is no fluke. He is the absolute best that Salt Lake can buy. Still, he has absolutely 0% chance of becoming President of this country.
Comment: Whatever..... I don't see anyone you back having anyone support them. Limbaugh, Hannity, National Review, Perot, Dems in Michigan (since no dem has ever done anything for him they are switching to Repubs), Beltram, Nat Catholic Society, Welch, the list goes on................ Kind of like your posts Roller. They just keep a coming!
Comment: I have seen the media in general either try to ignore the fact that Mitt Romney is even in the race or the just slander him in anyway they can. Truly you can tell that the media thinks John McCain is the person that should run as the Republican Party nominee. I don't even think John McCain is a Republican, but he didn't stand a chance running against Obama or Clinton. So now they want to get two Democrats to run against each other with no real republican at all!! Mitt Romney is NOT A FLUKE. He won in Michigan. Obviously the writers of these articles have not noticed that our economy is struggling. It is not just an issue in Michigan it is an issue nation wide. Look at the stock market look at the housing industry and the lending industry. We need someone to help us rebuild a struggling economy. Mitt Romney is the man the can do this, his history has shown it.
Comment: I don't know how Romney can claim Michigan as his home state? Where's he been for the last 30 years?????
Pat
Dorr, Mi
Comment: I was born and raised in Minnsota and now live here. Minnesota will always be my "home state", even though I have lived in other places throughout the years. Home is where I had my beginning, grew up, and
became an adult. My childhood years were an important part in shaping my life, and sending me forward into the world. Mitt has the same right as anybody else to call the state in which he grew up, home.
Comment: We all claim "home" to be where we are born... at least most of us....
Comment: OK, so where are you all with this world government idea. Apparently, hearing some talk, it sounds as if that is the direction we are moving. REGARDLESS OF POLITICAL PARTY. Both dems and repubs are onto it. In addition, they are looking, as heard from a member of the bush cabinet, that at some point the idea would be to have a currency like the Eurodollar for Mexico, Canada.... and the U.S.!
Comment: Yea, but I bet they won't convert all that mormon gold will they?
Comment: Woww..... roller, I guess you got me on that one. I am stumped.... what should I say?
Comment: In all of the discussion about Mormon's attempt to take over the country simply because Romeny is Mormon and, heaven forbid, so is Harry Reid, I'm shocked by the lack of equal treatment here. Why are these same folks ignoring the influence of other religions in the US?
Do you know it is estimated that 25% of congress consideres itself evangelical? On top of that we have an evangelical President. And then there's the Catholics. Did you know that SEVEN of the NINE justices of the Supreme Court of the United States are Roman Catholic?
Point is, it is PURE ignorance on the behalf of a few to try to turn this conversation in a direction that has absolutely no merits
So, if folks insist on being worried about a religious denomination taking over the country, they probably ought to start with the Evangelicals who seem to produce more than just a few in the ilk of HolyRoller. If I'm worried about anything, it would be the lack of tollerance I consistently receive at the hands of those who profess to be evangelical. This election has been very revealing (and to be honest, pretty discouraging) in that regard.
Comment: SC wake up and do NOT vote for the Huckster. Huckabee's strategy in Iowa was to rile people up against the Mormon and no amount of $ or amount of advertising would have gotten people to be OBJECTIVE. I live there and there was NO empahsis on his record as Governor (good or bad) or the Fair Tax leading up to the Caucuses. Romney ran ads to point out his record but because it was Romney alone, no one gave it any credit-- he was just 'desperate to keep his lead in Iowa' etc. Now that Huckabee's record has been exposed as the primaries roll on and others (Thompson and the media) are taking apart Huck's record it is now gaining credibility that he NOT a fiscal conservative. The thing he did best was that he obeyed the courts as Governor. If he cares about the poor so much, why didn't he work his tail off with the democratic congress and get healthcare for every citizen? Of course roads and education are going to become MOST improved when you're starting at the bottom? The only reason his democratic state kept re-electing him is because he ran the state the way a Democrat would. Look out factcheck.org about his taxes-- it tells the whole story, good and bad. The only votes McCain is winning are ind. and dems. Romney won the true Republicans in Michigan! America will be on the road to socialism if the Dems win in November. We need to put the best person in there that can keep that from happening and keep our country strong.
Comment: EVERY church believes they have the 'most correct' doctrine. People who think the LDS church will somehow run Washington if Romney is elected President are ignorant - basing it merely on fear. Would the Pope run Washington if there were a Catholic President? First of all, our Constitution would prohibit it. Those who are intolerant (wouldn't want a President) who is different than they are (based on religion) is a bigot. Look it up in Websters. Mitt Romney has been a missionary and gone out to try to teach other people about the LDS church. He's not doing that right now, he is running for President and has the best over-all credentials to deal with ALL the problems America is facing, immigration, the economy, terrorism, Iraq, American jobs/outsourcing. He has the best grasp on the world marketplace and the temperament to deal effectively and make friends in the international community. Romney is not ashamed of his faith but neither is he making it a basis for why anyone should vote for him. Anyone who really wants to know what Mormons believe should visit the source. www.lds.org-- not listen to some disgruntled ex-Mormon or anyone who is breathing fire fresh out of one of those "watch out for the Mormon meetings" that goes on tons in the bible-belt. You should take a serious look in the mirror (this is a critical election for America and needs to be taken seriously) If you vote FOR Huckabee because of his religion or do NOT vote for Romney because of his religion. I saw someone post that if Mitt was Mitt the Methodist he would be the favorite. I agree. I think with all his successes, ability to lead and the resources to get to the end, if he DOESN"T win it will only be evidence that religious bigotry is alive and well in America. BTW. IF you take out the evangelical vote in Iowa, Huckabee got fewer votes than Romney did in Michigan. Huckabee's win is the one that was a FLUKE. People weren't paying close enough attention yet. Romney/Thompson or Hunter '08!
Comment: RIGHT ON!!!! ROMNEY / THOMPSON
Comment: I totally agree that Mitt Romney has been ignored in the media (might I say the "liberal" media). Of course the media wants McCain or Huckabee to win the nomination because they believe the Democrats will beat either one of them. How sneaky. Is Mitt concentrating his campaigning on only Mormons? Never.
How is it that the media continues to accuse Mitt of negative campaigning when he is only pointing out the differences in positions or record that he has as opposed to the other c andidates? Both McCain and Huckabee's campaigns (especially the Evangelicals in Iowa) have attacked Mitt's religion, his success in the private sector. the fact that he has money (good for him), and even his hair!! The other Rep. candidates have joined together to try to discredit Mitt, but they can't. They are afraid of him and maybe jealous. Do you know that John McCain was Episcopal, and has switched to the Baptist religion? --How can Huckabee say that he departed from campaigning last Sunday to give a sermon as a Baptist preacher in one of South Carolina's Mega Evangelical churches? Is he using God to get votes? Mitt Romney appeals to the true Republican, socially and fiscally conservatives, a bright, hardworking, successful man, who has Conservative family values, morals ethics, and doesn't have any scandals in his past for his opponents to dig up. They're having a difficult time coming up with anything by which to criticize him.
Yes, South Carolina, vote Romney. Don't waste your vote on a "moderate, quasi-liberal (McCain), or a fiscally liberal and somewhat radical social conservative (Huckabee). Look at the complete candidate,, his record, his values, his successes, his life, ---VOTE MITT.
Comment: I thought it was already decided ROMNEY/TOM CRUISE.
Comment: I guess that is your choice, but I certainly wouldn't vote for Cruise. I am with you however, HolyROller, on Romney. Glad you have seen the light! :)
Comment: Here's the info you're looking for holyroller. The Ensign is a monthly magazine that members can subscribe to. The source for this is LDS.org, a great site for those that want to know about the church. Also, I assumed you're talking about John 3:16. "For a God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.??? An important word you forgot there.
Comment: See good old mormon tradition of pluralism finally shines through. I respect you for showing us all the truth of your doctrine.
Comment: Pluralism eh? Woow...... The problem with literal translation in the general christian field is that your literal translations will have you literally wrong.
Comment: How many different GODS exist in the world of mormon anyway. Inquiring minds want to know.
Comment: that'd be one.....
Comment: But, are you an inquiring mind.... or
