Home Run

What happened to HolyRoler and Temujin? I guess they can't handle the truth, so they moved on to corrupt elsewhere.

To HolyRoller
When asked, "Are you Christian?", the response was given, "I don't know, ask my neighbor". Of course, for those not following the argument, the crux of this answer is that being Christian is not about subscribing to a particular belief or creed, rather it is evidenced in how I live and treat those around me. Do I embody Christ? Do I treat others with respect, as He would?

HolyRoller, as your "neighbor" on this discussion board, you fail this test...somewhat miserably. And, from reading the posts of others, it looks like most of your "neighbors" on this board would agree. Whatever feelings you have about mormon doctrine is really besides the point. There are two ways to disagree with mormons. You can disagree with them in a way that is respectful, that says "while I believe in more core that you are wrong, I still allow you the privilege of worshiping however you may". Or you can disagree in the way that you have here.

If you're really serious about being a Christian then I think you should step back and put yourself in the shoes of a mormon before you write. As a Christian, surely you have been on the other side of the argument with athiests or secularists who believe that your Christian beliefs are just plain crazy.

Romney is a politican. He faces the same temptations as anyone other man on the planet, but more so because of his profession. I love how Mormons blame the fact that his faith is a source of bigotry and thus why he isn't a clear frontrunner. Besides following a religion that claims the Native Americans of Utah are descendants of the lost tribes of Israel, the fact that hes faker than a three dollar bill is his real fault.

I have seen the media in general either try to ignore the fact that Mitt Romney is even in the race or the just slander him in anyway they can. Truly you can tell that the media thinks John McCain is the person that should run as the Republican Party nominee. I don't even think John McCain is a Republican, but he didn't stand a chance running against Obama or Clinton. So now they want to get two Democrats to run against each other with no real republican at all!! Mitt Romney is NOT A FLUKE. He won in Michigan. Obviously the writers of these articles have not noticed that our economy is struggling. It is not just an issue in Michigan it is an issue nation wide. Look at the stock market look at the housing industry and the lending industry. We need someone to help us rebuild a struggling economy. Mitt Romney is the man the can do this, his history has shown it.

I am a Latter-Day Saint living in Las Vegas and feel that a lot of LDS members will be voting for Mitt simply because he's LDS. I, for one, will not because our views on the issues don't synch up. That, I believe, is the correct way to choose a candidate.
HolyRoller:
That being said, anyone who is comfortable in their religious/spiritual "skin" will have no reason to denigrate,denounce or publicly decimate another person's choice of religion. If they feel so inclined, it is out of fear and not from an intelligent or intellectual base. I liken in to homophobia, bigotry or anything else that compartmentalizes another group of human beings. True Christianity is tolerance, kindness and service to all our brothers and sisters - NOT just the ones we agree with.

Here's the info you're looking for holyroller. The Ensign is a monthly magazine that members can subscribe to. The source for this is LDS.org, a great site for those that want to know about the church. Also, I assumed you're talking about John 3:16. "For a God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.??? An important word you forgot there.

So misinformed...I really do feel so sorry for you. It really does deeply sadden me that you could have great joy in this life and in the eternities if you were to soften your heart and learn the gospel of Jesus Christ. Perhaps you should meet with a set of Missionaries or better yet start going to church and learn the true doctrine of The Church of Jesus Christ. I pray daily for those like you who do not know of the truth.

I don't know how Romney can claim Michigan as his home state? Where's he been for the last 30 years?????
Pat
Dorr, Mi

Yes, Governor Romney is a Mormon and therefore a Christian. The correct name for the Mormon Church is Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. The Mormon belief about the nature of the Godhead and Jesus comes directly from the Bible. The beliefs of Evangelical Christians about the Godhead and Jesus were formulated by a council of men at Nicaea, who, through argument, consensus and political influence, created the Nicene Creed. That creed, and others based on it, define the Evangelical Christians' concept of Jesus. Mormons do not subscribe to these "Christian Creeds." They are not "creeded Christians" but are Biblical Christians.

Mormons don't spend a cent or even a minute of time on programs that denigrate other religions. They spend their time and money on humanitarian programs all over the world to help people in need. You will not see any material from Romney's campaign created to defame the religious beliefs of others. It is not the Mormon way.

EVERY church believes they have the 'most correct' doctrine. People who think the LDS church will somehow run Washington if Romney is elected President are ignorant - basing it merely on fear. Would the Pope run Washington if there were a Catholic President? First of all, our Constitution would prohibit it. Those who are intolerant (wouldn't want a President) who is different than they are (based on religion) is a bigot. Look it up in Websters. Mitt Romney has been a missionary and gone out to try to teach other people about the LDS church. He's not doing that right now, he is running for President and has the best over-all credentials to deal with ALL the problems America is facing, immigration, the economy, terrorism, Iraq, American jobs/outsourcing. He has the best grasp on the world marketplace and the temperament to deal effectively and make friends in the international community. Romney is not ashamed of his faith but neither is he making it a basis for why anyone should vote for him. Anyone who really wants to know what Mormons believe should visit the source. www.lds.org-- not listen to some disgruntled ex-Mormon or anyone who is breathing fire fresh out of one of those "watch out for the Mormon meetings" that goes on tons in the bible-belt. You should take a serious look in the mirror (this is a critical election for America and needs to be taken seriously) If you vote FOR Huckabee because of his religion or do NOT vote for Romney because of his religion. I saw someone post that if Mitt was Mitt the Methodist he would be the favorite. I agree. I think with all his successes, ability to lead and the resources to get to the end, if he DOESN"T win it will only be evidence that religious bigotry is alive and well in America. BTW. IF you take out the evangelical vote in Iowa, Huckabee got fewer votes than Romney did in Michigan. Huckabee's win is the one that was a FLUKE. People weren't paying close enough attention yet. Romney/Thompson or Hunter '08!

OK, so where are you all with this world government idea. Apparently, hearing some talk, it sounds as if that is the direction we are moving. REGARDLESS OF POLITICAL PARTY. Both dems and repubs are onto it. In addition, they are looking, as heard from a member of the bush cabinet, that at some point the idea would be to have a currency like the Eurodollar for Mexico, Canada.... and the U.S.!

Will someone please get the courage up and answer my question. ARE JESUS AND SATAN BROTHERS?
No one seems to have the KAHUNA"S to answer this because Y'all know if you answer truthfully that Americans as a Whole will be shocked and appalled!

The "discussion" I've read here thus far just proves how inane followers of religious dogma can be. When I was studying pharmacology, my professor said that the more medicines there are to cure a condition, the less likely any of them worked. I think the same can be said of religions. Instead of arguing, condemning, and pointing fingers (a favorite pasttime of "Christains"), try figuring things out for yourself instead of clinging to the "truth" as dispensed by your favorite prophet, bishop, pope, guru, shamen, yogi, or pandering political aspirant.

As for Romney and Hucklebee, no doubt they are sincere in their profession of faith. But religion, to me, is the same as sexual orientation. I really don't care, it's none of my business, and it doesn't qualify anyone for a job. In fact, religious fantatics make me nervous, no matter what their ilk. Why can't we discuss something a bit more relevant to the election, folks, instead of dissecting the idiotic dogma of religions which all claim to be the "true" faith? To quote Mark Knophler from Dire Straits "Two men say they're Jesus, one of them must be wrong." I suspect that on the day we are all called in front of the creator, we will all find that our notions of the Almighty were far from correct.

Personally, both Romney and Huckabee are fringe characters and hold personal beliefs which worry me. Mormons (with their sacred underwear and secret handshakes) have a history of bigotry. They believe that black people have their skin color because it is the mark of Cain. The church refused to allow balck bishops until threatened by the government that they would lose tax exempt status. Brigham Young believed the moon and the sun were populated. And of course, polygomy was only outlawed in Utah when it desired to become a part of the United States.

Fundamentalist Christain Huckabee is alos worrisome. Unless you accep[t Christ, yoiu are going to hell. Unlessx yoiu are baptised, you are going to hell. If you are gay, yoiu are going to hell. It's amazing how many people the Baptists are sending to hell. I'll probably go just for saying something about it.

Give me Abraham Lincolns' religion. He never denied his religious beliefs, but he certainly didn't run on them, either.