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  • Posted By: John Shultz - Fulcrum @ 01/17/2008 3:33:07 AM

    "Mitt has the most votes, most delegates and is the only candidate to be competitive in every state.
    How long will the media keep excusing his successes???" ??? Great point!
    Everywhere I look the media says the McCain is the powerhouse. He only has 13 delegates! He lies through his teeth yet no one in the media points it out. The truth is McCain is a liberal in sheep???s clothing that???s only purpose is to win the GOP so he can help out his buddies the Clintons win the general election. Maybe he will have a nice seat at the table for all of his hard work...... Liberal media and its desire to bring on left wing fascism.

    GO MITT!!! America still has a few people left that can think for themselves!

  • Posted By: John Shultz - Fulcrum @ 01/17/2008 3:31:26 AM

    "Mitt has the most votes, most delegates and is the only candidate to be competitive in every state.
    How long will the media keep excusing his successes???" ??? Great point!
    Everywhere I look the media says the McCain is the powerhouse. He only has 13 delegates! He lies through his teeth yet no one in the media points it out. The truth is McCain is a liberal in sheep???s clothing that???s only purpose is to win the GOP so he can help out his buddies the Clintons win the general election. Maybe he will have a nice seat at the table for all of his hard work...... Liberal media and its desire to bring on left wing fascism.

    GO MITT!!! America still has a few people left that can think for themselves!

  • Posted By: Ben85 @ 01/17/2008 2:53:19 AM

    Romney has the most votes, most delegates and is the only candidate to be competitive in every state so far.

    The olympics were a disgrace when he took over. They were a great success. Bain capitol makes a business out of getting businesses turned around.

    If you don't like the rich guy, tell me about all of the intelligent people you know that decided they wouldn't use their intelligence to benefit their family and have greater power to help others by making money. He could be living in tropical paradise for the rest of his life, but he would rather give back to the greatest nation on earth.

    And if you argue McCain has better foreign policy...his support of a path for illegals to stay bring the war away from foreign soil to our home turf. Lots of criminals flee their countries to seek refuge in our own, just like ours flee to theirs.

    If you've read Huckabee's foreign policy on making friends with terrorists, that is even scarier. He needs to leave it at the holiday inn level and stay out of things he doesn't understand!

    Mitt Romney for president 2008!!!

  • Posted By: mariepower @ 01/16/2008 6:21:13 PM

    I want to know why it's all fair and good to grill Mike Huckabee about his doctrinal positions, which are in the mainstream of American Christianity, but it's completely off-limits to ask Bishop Mitt Romney about his beliefs. It strikes me as FAR more unusual for someone to believe that the Garden of Eden--and the cradle of civilization--is Missouri than for someone to believe "In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth." But no one ever asks Romney anything about his faith, nor is he ever referred to as 'a former Mormon bishop" while Huckabee is constantly referred to as ' a former Baptist minister." Why the double standard?

    • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 01/16/2008 6:31:25 PM

      Because Huckabee is proud of his status as a preacher of the gospel. He readily acknowledges his dependence on GOD. Mr. Romney is probably glad that he is a Bishop, but he is not proud of it. BIG difference. Wonder why?

      • Posted By: bus11 @ 01/16/2008 10:57:19 PM

        you dont know poop from applebutter

      • Posted By: True_liberal @ 01/16/2008 7:02:13 PM

        HolyRoller is "probably glad that he is a" bigot, but I doubt that he is proud of it. Anyone who has the slightest interest in knowing where HolyRoller comes from and what motivates him, read the post by Ramjet below. It paints a better picture of HolyRoller that is more accurate than any photograph could be. How about it "HolyRoller", headed for the local KKK meeting Saturday night?

        • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 01/16/2008 8:33:46 PM

          It is not my faith that taught for decades that blacks were the offspring of Cain, and were part ape. Only very recently were backs allowed to enter the position of priesthood. The mormon cult is the most radically bigotted group of zealots in America. And you know this is the truth.

          • Posted By: jazzbebop @ 01/16/2008 8:47:12 PM

            Part ape? What crap is that? Another mis truth spoken. What you ought to look at is how much the mormon faith in the early years prohibited slavery. That was probably a big reason they were persecuted so much, they actually felt all men should be free, regardless of color. So what if it was taught they were descendants of Cain. So? What does that have to do with antyhing? You need to find an african american mormon and talk to them befoer you start saying untruths. Mormons never started no KKK group, it was the White, Southern, christians that did that..... Nice - nice legacy to leave us. As a matter of fact, the KKK still is regular down there in Georgia - as some of my friends have had run ins with them. And what the heck with the confederate flay? Can't you get over it and put the flag of obstinence, hate, and slavery behind us now?

            • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 01/16/2008 11:31:18 PM

              WOW-did I hit a nerve? I've always heard the saying that the truth hurts-this is one of the better examples I have seen in a while. You mormons always mix in some truths w/your lies. You folks are the most prejudiced group in the country, so what if you changed your doctrine to fit the times. You have a long history of that. Fact is you still consider blacks to be less human and therefore less valuable to GOD.

              • Posted By: jazzbebop @ 01/17/2008 1:40:54 AM

                Wow.... we consider blacks to be less human? Wow.... you are something else HolyRoller, you been studying to much hate material. As near as I can tell their are mormon bishops, stake presidents and 70's that are black.... so, your argument is again, ignorant. You should change your screen name, you are giving us christians a bad rap. You need to look at your own little state down there in Georgia. Get the KKK out of there and do away with that Confederate flag.... someone then might take you as a serious christian.

      • Posted By: jazzbebop @ 01/16/2008 6:39:57 PM

        Lets hope it is not his pride, as pride cometh before the fall. I would hate to see Huckabee or anyone else "fall" -
        Romney is a man of faith, what differentiates him from the rest, is his willingness to be tolerant and respectful of eveyrone elses beliefs. Without judgement, without putting down a man's belief in God - he goes about trying to fix the political structure of this country! Holy Roller it takes more than just belief! Sometimes it takes a little "work" to make things happen. Romeny is willing to both believe, and work....

  • Posted By: Jeisun @ 01/16/2008 12:42:47 PM

    Prime example of "say anything to win" Romney will never be able to deliver what he promises to. He told the people of Michigan what they wanted to here, while Mccain kept it real. Shame on the people of Michigan for being so gullable!

    • Posted By: ddinthebigd @ 01/16/2008 12:55:15 PM

      I agree, as a lifelong Michigander, I cannot believe a word he says. We already know he's flipped the script on gay marriage and abortion. Of course a successful businessman who claims he can get the job done will play well in Michigan. However, I ask, that if he cares so much about Michigan and our economic woes, why has he been in Massachusetts for so long, and not here fixing things as he claims that he can. Go away Mitt.

      • Posted By: etibiscool @ 01/16/2008 1:09:52 PM

        I agree with both comments. I am ashamed the voters in Michigan are so naive to believe Romney is going to bring back the once-booming auto industry. Times have changed and we need to focus on future technologies and new sources of energy as McCain, perhaps too-bluntly put it. "Politician speak" won this time... but it's not winner take all... and Mitt can't fool the entire nation.

        • Posted By: jrh_anes @ 01/16/2008 1:37:01 PM

          So basically you all believe the status quo will continue to aid Michigan? Now who's gullable? McCain is saying Michigan will never return to its former glory, and you all are okay with this? So much for the American dream of doing better and arising from adversity.

          • Posted By: Jeisun @ 01/16/2008 2:23:02 PM

            It will not return to it's former glory through the auto industry. I don't think anyone is ok with that! Telling people he will bring the auto industries lost jobs back is not going to happen unless he take the Honda factory from Tenn, the Nissan works from KY, ETC... and relocates all these manufacturing facilities to Michigan. McCain is telling the people of Michigan they need to diverisfy. Biomedical technologies, computer software and other up and coming industries. That will save Michigan.

            • Posted By: jazzbebop @ 01/17/2008 2:03:53 AM

              apparantly the 90% population of auto workers in Michigan didn't understand when McCain told them to diversify, evidently they still like to build cars and somehow enjoyed what Romney told them - that they can still build em. You suggesting we change our mode of transportation or something?

    • Posted By: whataboutit @ 01/16/2008 2:54:10 PM

      Jeisun, buddy, you and your chat room friends need to get a life.

      • Posted By: Jeisun @ 01/16/2008 3:09:05 PM

        Your right. I need to stop posting dumb things like you do! Who needs to get a life?! If what I say bothers you, GOOD! Ignore it, I was easliy able to over look your comments... Until you made a personal attack. That is, what did you call it? Oh yes, "Chat room".

  • Posted By: jensenvideo @ 01/16/2008 1:01:40 PM

    Lots of flaming liberals on this discussion board! Romney simply promised what every other candidate promised- that through his policies as president, more jobs would come to the people of Michigan. Whats wrong with that? The 'gullable' voters are those that keep insisting on voting for candididates with no proven track record of success (experience in our failed Washington beaurocracy does not count:) or worse choose to vote or not vote for a candidate based on his or her religious belief.

    • Posted By: Jeisun @ 01/16/2008 2:52:14 PM

      Speaking of "flaming" man, your on fire,! Hello! uoy era os nikirf yag.

      • Posted By: jazzbebop @ 01/17/2008 2:01:43 AM

        can you spell sideways also?

  • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 01/16/2008 2:40:14 PM

    Hey bucky21-You call anyone biased against the cult ignorant. If you truly beleive your own comment about Romney's not being infuenced by the Salt Lake leadership, it is you who are ignorant. The fact is America will not elect a Mormon (I for one would feel like a JUDAS). This cult is not Christian and anyone who is fooled by the name has not explored the doctrine. And YES it does matter.

    • Posted By: whataboutit @ 01/16/2008 3:05:02 PM

      All right, you guys, somebody get a rope -I see the tree.

      • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 01/16/2008 3:49:36 PM

        funny, you see a rope and a tree. I however, see a bunch of Mormans dressed as Indians surrounding a wagon with men, women, and children.

        • Posted By: aad135 @ 01/16/2008 4:48:40 PM

          That was an entertaining movie, huh..? Too bad it was based on nothing but fiction. The director himself said that it was "...embellished for good cinema." My guess is that you also beleive that somewhere out there is a galaxy of Jedi Knights..! Try harder to find something factual to discuss; you are continually showing your ignorance (lack of education or knowledge)...

          • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 01/16/2008 6:08:36 PM

            If I will send you documented evidence that supports my claim, would you be willing to discuss my concerns that I have with the beliefs of the Church of Latter Day Saints?

            • Posted By: aad135 @ 01/16/2008 7:52:55 PM

              Documented evidence..? From what anti-Mormon website? I have been to many and most of them are trash. Additionally, most of them have no forum/discussion boards because they are tired of the faithful refuting their non-sense with doctrinally sound arguments. Send what you will, but I know that it will be futile. The most famous anti-Mormon, Ed Decker, even went by the wayside because his claims could not be proved. Most in the church do not waste time arguing for the faith, but in some cases, I have chosen to. I strongly believe that truth will out falsehood. The scripture quotes here are right on, do they not answer your questions..?

              • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 01/16/2008 11:54:47 PM

                Just what I thought. The truth really doesn't matter to you folks. If your doctrine becomes a burden you just change it. If artifacts surface revealing the truth about the founding they get purchased by Salt Lake never to be seen again. Wasn't there an inconvenient little murder recently because of church documents proving heresy? It goes on and on. Your not fooling very many people.

                • Posted By: jazzbebop @ 01/17/2008 1:57:11 AM

                  It is pretty hard to pull one over on you though Holy Roller.... your are so up on your anti material.

                • Posted By: jazzbebop @ 01/17/2008 1:54:59 AM

                  an inconvenient murder? You mean by a man who was a forgering artist? was he lds? ya, he was.... just like every other group, and people, there are a few bad apples, but as near as I can tell no one is covering anything up. So, what is your point Holy Roller.....

    • Posted By: skinny703 @ 01/16/2008 3:02:27 PM

      HolyRolly, you comment on how Romney is supposed to be influenced by Salt Lake and yet you propogate ideas from pastors or other religionists about Mormons. Ideas not supported by the Bible. I don't know how you can argue against the fact that Mormons are Christian, since any cursory research will result in confirming evidence that Mormons believe in Jesus Christ, the Son of God, who bled and died so that we can be cleansed from sin and return to live with our Father in Heaven.

      • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 01/16/2008 3:08:50 PM

        skinny703-you are either a Morman yourself or not very knowledgeable about their doctrine. The entire basis of Christianity is the TRINITY and the risen CHRIST> as Paul said "If we believe not in the risen Christ we should eat drink and be merry for tomorrow we die."

        • Posted By: aad135 @ 01/16/2008 4:56:17 PM

          Again, more ignorance. As a LDS, I believe in the trinity as defined within the scriptures, not by some creed made up in Nicea (check your history, those in attendance did not vote unanimously for your current creed, which spawned different forms of Christianity). The Trinity, simply put is God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost,, which is so written in our Articles of Faith. We strongly beleive in the Savior's resurrection, so much so because after His resurrection, He visited the American continent and its inhabitants, Jesus taught that he "...has other sheep not of this fold." I believe that the resurrected Jesus Christ and His Heavenly Father personally visited Joseph Smith in vision to restoe His gospel to the earth that had been missing for centuries. The resurrection and the Trinity (correctly defined) are pillars of Mormon doctrine. To say that it isn't is, well, ignorant (a common tread in all of your postings)...

    • Posted By: AH1986 @ 01/16/2008 3:13:30 PM

      I feel so sorry for you that you spend most of your time finding ways to prove wrong, what others believe to be something good and right, instead of honestly researching it. I am a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. I have a firm belief that God is my heavenly father and that His son, Jesus Christ is by savior. He has provided a way for me to return to him after this mortal existence with all that I've learned in this life. I beleive that God has called prohets since the beginning of this world in order to reveal His will to us, His children. I believe that God has always spoken to us , we just haven't had the capacity to listen at times. Who are we to tell God what He can or can't do? I cannot deny my faith and neither can Romney. It has helped him define who he is and what he stands for, But. I know that I don't impose my beliefs upon anyone who doesn't wish to hear about them. I won;t be votng for Mr Romney because he is LDS, but hather becasue of his track record, and his character. I think that anyone who deny's a person the right to run for office solely tbecause of their faith or beliefs are as ignorant and hate filled as the govenor that declared a n extermination order upon the early Mormon pioneers. Religious predjudice is alive and well, and just for the record sir.....it's seperation of church and state, not God and man. I know where I stand, do you?I've learned from this life

    • Posted By: bucky21 @ 01/16/2008 2:45:02 PM

      Do you even know what a cult is? I'm curious as to what "doctrine" you're talking about?

  • Posted By: libertarius @ 01/16/2008 5:55:03 PM


    The problem with Romney isn't that he is a Mormon but that he is a bad Mormon. Mormons believe in principled honesty and this guy will say anything, claim any belief, espouse any position to pander to the audience of the moment.

    • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 01/16/2008 6:02:46 PM

      Just wanted to let you know that I agree with your opinion. He is a bad Mormom. But, still, a Mormon none the less.
      In fact I actually agree with many of his political views. But I'm basing my vote simply on the fact that he is a Mormon. As a matter of fact, I believe that millions of American voters agree with my view.
      I'll be darned if this American will pull the lever for a Muslim or a Mormon. It goes against my moral fiber and my very being.

      • Posted By: jazzbebop @ 01/16/2008 6:25:23 PM

        HolyRoller... what kind of religion do you follow? It is apparent it is very judgemental and that there is no room for tolerance on your part. You must not be a muslim or a mormon then, the ones I have "personally" known (both muslim and mormon) have been great people. You either have never met any, or you are running with something someone told you that you have never expereinced first hand. What actually is your moral fiber and very being? The funny thing is - with over 2500 different christian denominations in this fine country of ours.... it is apparent no one can decide on a uniform doctrine - you pick on the mormons, but they are the only thing that is "original" , everyone else "stole" their doctrine of Jesus from the Catholics. Whatever you choose is fine.... whatever you say is fine... just please one thing, don't ever run for President, o.k.? :)

        • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 01/16/2008 7:07:04 PM

          You are correct, I am neither mormon or muslim, but I am a very tolerant ,filled with the spirit of God, American Christian. I do not hate either group but am merely stating what I believe. (1)Muslims are certainly not friends to the Jew or Christians. Some may tolerate our existance but would not mourn our passing. As for mormons, I truly believe Joseph Smith gained the company of an Angel. The problem is that the angel did not worship GOD. Hence , a great lie from ,the father of all lies, began a very dangerous
          perversion of the the gospel of JESUS the CHRIST. If I voted for Romney I would be making this perversion acceptable. Will not happen.

          • Posted By: jazzbebop @ 01/16/2008 8:39:06 PM

            Of course Muslims are friends to Jews and Christians. ANd even if some choose not to be, did not Jesus himself say to love those that curse you, do good to those that seek your destruction, to him whom would ask to go a mile - go with him two? Again, a person who hasn't studied for themselves, but who has taken the word of someone about the mormons. IN the good book, they call that - dogging on others without having actual knowledge of it - GOSSIP. You need to educate yourself on the mormon faith, it is no more grandiose than that of any other religion. It actually makes more sense. Read the book, study it from someone who is apart of it. Don't go to a chevy dealership to find out the truth about a ford. GO TO THE SOURCE. IT IS EVIDENT YOU HAVE NOT or you wouldn't speak the way you do. Study the words of Gamileal concerning Christianity in the NT. AS a holy roller you should be more apt to be slow to judgement and condemnation, rather than quicker..... We are all God's children remember. We all just have differing beliefs, that doesn't constitute hatred. Remember the story of the Good Samaritan? ONe day your life will probably be saved by a mormon - its called Karma to some, to christians it is calling what you reap you will sow, regardless, what comes around goes around and irony will nip you in the behind.

            • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 01/16/2008 11:39:14 PM

              I don't care that your religion is a falsehood. I don't care if you have a dozen wives, I don't care how much wealth you accumulate, I don't care in the least. I do care that a member of this cult wants to be the most powerful person on earth. Some may believe that this has nothing to do with being qualified to be President of our country. It has everything to do with our direction as a nation. He doesn' have a chance.

              • Posted By: jazzbebop @ 01/17/2008 1:43:33 AM

                We have a dozen wives? what book you been reading? I guess you forgot that many of "your" christian relatives were polygamists.... you ever heard of a man name Abraham? hmmmmmm..... that practice has not been practiced since the 1800's, so study up again on things...... you got a lot of hate towards mormons Holy Roller.... serious, I am more than willing to talk with you regarding your issues. A little education may just do the trick.

          • Posted By: aad135 @ 01/16/2008 7:37:21 PM

            No, HolyRoller, you would not "...be making this perversion acceptable" - you would be voting for the most qualified candidate without regard to his religion. That is what democracy is about, and what this country was founded upon. You have no tolerance, so don't begin to preach that you do. You are just an intolerant as those who crucified the Savior, who threatend their religion and their way of life. Just because I don't agree with someone's personal practices does not automatically condemn them as a person. My wife grew up with a person who is now a teacher in our school district; he is gay (not openly). I like him, have had numerous dealings with him and his life partner on different occasions. Does this mean that I accept homosexuality..? Heck no..! Do I hate him and all flaming gays..? Heck no..! If he were to start teaching my children that being gay is acceptable, or that the choice he made should have priovileges such as marriage, I would oppose him as these things go against my core beliefs. He has the right to believe what he does, just as much as I have the right to oppose those views. But when they are based on ignorance, I take offense to them and will point them out. I will pray for him to see truth and reason, but ultimately it would be his agency to choose what he will - the same goes for you. However, I must qualify this again that most of what you have said is out of ignorance. Get you facts straight. There are people out there who will bllindly vote for Brother Mitt just because he IS Mormon. I think that is wrong also. There are those who would vote for/against Obama just because he's black (kind-of) of Clinton because she's a woman (kind-of). This is screwed up thinking..! So, join those people in ignorance, or in your case, lead the way..!

            • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 01/16/2008 8:42:59 PM

              I feel sure you consider yourself as level-headed and logical devoted follower of your faith. You tolerate or accept his teachers openly gay relationship, but do not condone it. Am I Right? Well then I am a lot like you. I tolerate and accept the fact that the mormon sect is a hard working productive part of our country.

              • Posted By: jazzbebop @ 01/16/2008 9:00:45 PM

                But now you are comparing us to the tolerance you show for gay's? Let me guess, you don't consider mormons christians do you? May I ask why? Is it a doctrinal reason? Or is it becuase the dont smoke, drink, do drugs, sleep around before marriage, and condone chastity and fidelity in marriage? Or is it because they teach to not swear or cuss that you consider them non christians. Or is it becuase they assisted during Hurricane katrina or the Tsunami you don't consider them christians. OR is it becuase they teach tolerance, love and treating one another kind you don't acdept them as christian? Let he who is christian cast the first stone......:)

      • Posted By: True_liberal @ 01/16/2008 7:05:02 PM

        It appears that HolyRoller knows nothing about being a "bad Mormon", but from his post he knows everything (first hand) about being a bad Christian.

    • Posted By: jazzbebop @ 01/16/2008 6:18:54 PM

      Really? The problem isn't that he is mormon, but that he is a bad mormon? GIVE ME A BREAK! You live by him or something? The guy ought to be able to talk to the people of MICHIGAN with their interests in mind! Just like every other politician!!!! You wish to look at someone who will claim any belief or espouse and position? Look to your Libertarian friends..... You already have Romney judged, convicted and tried because you think he misled the Michiganites?! You ought to hang out more with your bud HolyRoller - you two got "Judgement" all on track, there will be no "turning the other Cheek" for you two.....

  • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 01/16/2008 2:23:28 PM

    In respose to aad- The fact is that most Americans are Christians and will not elect a cult member. Even though the practice has endured long enough to receive a level of acceptance, a cult it remains. The fact is that the Morman beliefs are Christian in word only, not doctrine. I applaude its forefathers in their accomplishments and moral values, but I beleive I speak for most of my Christian brethern when I fear the wrath of the GOD that CREATED us when we knowingly elect anyone who blashemes the HOLY GHOST.

    • Posted By: whataboutit @ 01/16/2008 3:10:36 PM

      Like I said earlier, HolyRoller, you get the rope and we'll lynch him on that tree over yonger -not a fit American, you say.

      • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 01/16/2008 4:06:56 PM

        You see a rope and a tree, I see Mormons dressed as Indians surrounding wagons full of women and children.

        • Posted By: interested_observer @ 01/17/2008 1:06:17 AM

          I replied earlier to this post, but found the link that I needed for the documentary on the Mormons. For more information, see http://www.pbs.org/mormons/ The documentary was wonderful.

        • Posted By: jazzbebop @ 01/16/2008 9:21:40 PM

          Whatever.... another token reason for you to dislike mormons. You never brought up the extermination order that sent women and children, and men, running for their lives out of Missouri. So you conjure up the story you reference without any of the facts.....

          • Posted By: interested_observer @ 01/17/2008 12:58:53 AM

            Sadly, Holy Roller is correct in talking about the Indians surrounding wagons. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints has acknowledged that frightened members of their church, without orders from its primary leaders, did attack in what is now known as the Mountain Meadows Massacre. However, if he'll continue to learn about that moment in Church History, he would also see that the Church has done whatever it possibly can to rectify such a horrible situation. At the site of the attack, the Church has erected a monument in memory of those killed that day and holds a ceremony alongside their descendants, some of whom are members of that same Church today. As a reference to this, I urge you to watch the show "The Mormons" (I believe that's the name of it) that was produced by a non-Mormon who was open-minded enough to include both sides of his story of the Church. It includes interviews with former members, non-members and even General Authorities of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. I hope that you will keep your mind open as you watch it and that you can open your heart to receive all of the messages conveyed in the documentary. In answers to some of your other questions, yes, as a member of the "Mormon" church, I believe that Satan is Christ's brother, as he is yours and mine. We are all actual spirit children of a loving Heavenly Father.

    • Posted By: aad135 @ 01/16/2008 3:07:00 PM

      "Blasphemes" the HOLY GHOST? Where do you get your information? As a member of the LDS Church, I cherish the relationship that I have with this member of the God=head, he is my constant companion. And, I'm sorry if you view my relgion negatively as a "cult", which at it's truest definition, does adequately describe Mormonism. "Cult", in the American Heritage Dictionary is "a system of religious worship and rituals; a religion considered extremist". Yes, in many cases we can be viewed as extreme; my non-Mormon father doesn't understand how I can go to three hours of church on Sunday when he can barely sit through 45 minutes of his Pastor's sermon? Are we extremists because we believe that alcohol and rugs, and other excessives are bad for our bodies? Then label me as a cultist, if it makes you feel good about your lack of willingness to have standards that you live by. It is my belife that people freely use the label "cult" in describing Mormonism, when they actually mean "occult". Going by its definition, I believe that it is also a fitting description of my religion (AHD: of or relating to supernatural influences, agencies, or phenomena; beyond human comprehension). I cannot even begin to understand the creation of this planet, be it by divinity or evolution, but none-the-less, here it is. Does that make it any less than what it is? Your comments are not based upon anything that is real. Sorry, I don't share your view that you will be judged by whom you elect as POTUS - but you will be judged upon who you are and what you did with what GOD gave to you. If you are truly a Christian, start acting like one and love your fellow man and serve them, "For when ye are in the service of your fellow man, ye are only in the service of your God."

      • Posted By: Temujin @ 01/16/2008 3:31:28 PM

        aad135 wrote: "If you are truly a Christian, start acting like one and love your fellow man and serve them, 'For when e are in the service of your fellow man, ye are only in the service of your God.'"

        You forgot "unless they're Mexican."

        • Posted By: aad135 @ 01/16/2008 4:08:20 PM

          even more ignorance...

    • Posted By: skinny703 @ 01/16/2008 2:50:18 PM

      And a comment like this has no fundamental basis. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is one of the few churches that actually prominently displays His name in the name of the church. I don't know how a fact like that becomes so distorted. The people that attend the church believe in Jesus Christ, that He is the Son of God and that he has redeemed all mankind from spiritual and physical death. Anyone who argues differently is misinformed and needs to update their internet bookmarks, (www.lds.org, mormon.org), to see that He is central to the religion.

      And to think that you speak for most Christians is presumptuous to say the least.

  • Posted By: widget @ 01/16/2008 5:24:27 PM

    Why is it that the press considers (or even raises the question) that Romney's win a is fluke? He has been at least 2nd in every state he has competted in so far (McCain and Huckabee can't claim that). He has won more votes from individuals to date than any other candidate. He has had more Delegates than anyother cadidate. So odds are he is more likely to win a state than either Huckabee or McCain. Romney is a front runner over all and has been since taking 2nd in New Hamphire. The press shows their Bias by theri repeated negative Headlines about him. They are not credible reporters.

    • Posted By: mariepower @ 01/16/2008 6:26:04 PM

      Because Romney has spent tens of millions of dollars to buy those medals. That's the issue. In Michigan, he outspent Huckabee 50 to 1--and that's not including the millions spent by his cronies at Club for Growth, who spent millions more attacking Huckabee.

      • Posted By: Mountainman @ 01/17/2008 12:58:11 AM

        Yes he has spent some of his own money. However, what is being missed is he has raised more funds than any other candidate as well. The thing though that I base my opinion of support on is the issues they talk about. Mike Huckabee scares me with his thoughts on immigration and he has a record as governor of raising more taxes on his people than cutting them. He is a leaning left republican that does not espouse my conservative values and principles. I like Thompson most but he waited to long and won't be a factor. Huckabee, Guilliani, and McCain are shadow liberals who are trying to bring the Republican party to a new place that I don't want to be. Romney has the best platform and has a history of making things happen. Who cares what he's spending or whatever religion he is a part of. I have known mormons and all have been friendly, kind, hard working and when needed were there. I have had it with all of the mormon crap I am seeing on any article about Romney. Let's start getting down to the issues and ideas that we are hearing. No more Liberal Republicans No to McCain, Huckabee, and Guilliani all Liberals disguised as Republicans.

  • Posted By: hypermegalomania @ 01/17/2008 12:32:29 AM

    God is perfect, he never changes. He will reveal what he will reveal.

  • Posted By: jazzbebop @ 01/16/2008 1:10:54 PM

    Come on Jeisun... what are you a liberal here? You a democrat? You think any of your candidates are any better? Hillary is the worst at pandering, and twisting the stories.... Romney will do fine as president.

    • Posted By: Jeisun @ 01/16/2008 1:39:58 PM

      I am a Democrat ,but by no means a liberal. I am as much as a Liberal as you would be a right wing religious conservative. Yes, I said I think Hillary is a better canidate. I said nothing about "twisting stories or pandering" What a I said was what Romeny told voters in Michigan is a bald faced lie. He can never deliver what he told people last night. Even Obama has more experiance as a senator than Romeny has. The right is upset because they have no one, literally, no one who is capable of winning the presidency. After the Bush fiasco, the Republican party is in shambles. They have lost the trust of their own party members. Looks like it is going to be Democratic House, Senate and President in "08"!

      • Posted By: jazzbebop @ 01/16/2008 1:50:29 PM

        WHat do you mean it was a "bold face lie" that seems pretty harsh. WHy can't he deliver it? If there is a way to turn the economy around, and make it run better by creating new jobs, re-establishing our industry - it is Romney. To say Hillary will do it is ridiculous, the only thing she wants is big government, and more taxes - and though you said nothing about twisint and pandering - that is what Hillary does. If you review here questioning on senate panels it is clearly evident she will do anything she can to pummel the republican party. At least with Mitt he will extend his hand across party lines. Something you will not get from Hillary. Maybe from Obama - but not Hillary. And yes, Obama has more experience as a Senator than Romney has.... mostly because Romney hasn't been a senator. He was GOvernor at one point and did run as Senator against Kennedy, but lost. Which is another reason I would pick Mitt..... he hasn't been Politicized ....... He ain't doing it for the money, or the power. He isn't your career oriented politician, which is something I think would be "fresh" for our country.

        • Posted By: Jeisun @ 01/16/2008 2:11:56 PM

          What was pretty harsh was telling the people of Michigan that he was going to bring back the jobs that were lost. This is a new era, were machinery does more and more of the work. The people will never be able to get their jobs back! The automotive industry is shrinking and changing daily. With more fuel efficent models and designs. The computers have taken over the work of thousands. What is he going to do to help these people? He offered no solutions, just told everyone, he would bring their jobs back. The reason he lost the vote in MA for the senate is because the majority of voters here in MA have no confidence in his abilties.

          • Posted By: jazzbebop @ 01/16/2008 9:18:26 PM

            Wow... a true pessimist...... What are you CEO of exactly?

      • Posted By: jrh_anes @ 01/16/2008 1:47:09 PM

        If that's the case can move to Canada, because it will be Jimmy Carter all over again.

  • Posted By: Jeisun @ 01/16/2008 1:08:29 PM

    Romney "a proven track record" If I hear one more thing about the stupid Olympics I will scream. He is a business man, true, but he has a one term govenor and he wasn't a good one. I live in MA and know this first hand. He is slick and will say anything to win. You want a proven record, take a look at Hillary, now there is a proven record.

    • Posted By: jazzbebop @ 01/16/2008 9:16:34 PM

      You are the one that keeps bringing up the Olympics..... glad I am not sitting next to you. Ever time you say it, you must, just.... scream! Bonehead!

    • Posted By: jensenvideo @ 01/16/2008 1:15:56 PM

      Jeisun- you have to be kidding me! The only thing Hillary can hang her hat on is the failed Health Care debacle AND appearing mad enough about her husbands filandering to keep her believeable. That's a proven record? What's wrong with the Olympics. Does the fact that Romney saved the SLC Olympics bother you? Does the fact that he has been a wildly successful busnessman drive you up the wall? Always remember, "slick" goes with "Willie" not Mitt...

      • Posted By: Jeisun @ 01/16/2008 1:57:06 PM

        The only thing the bothers me about that is it has nothing to do with anything. The Olympic's mean nothing. He straightened out someone's bribe that almost cost Utah millions in lost revenue. It 's just something to say about him. If they didn't include that in his ad's they would say "Mitt Romeny, a succesful business man and govenor of Massachusetts" Big Deal?! If one were to say how good he was for MA then all you would have would be "Successful business man". Not very impressive is it.? Nothing about his success bothers me?! Why would it?! Duh.. 'Slick "ryhmes with "Mitt"better anyway! LOL! You might have started a trend there! Clever you are!

    • Posted By: dewcooper @ 01/16/2008 1:34:38 PM

      Even a person who loosess every race, has a track record. And like Hillary, it isn't a very good one...

    • Posted By: honestpolitician @ 01/16/2008 1:17:27 PM

      Hilary definately has a track record. Look at the insider trading, lost records until the statue of limitations ran out, how everyone was against her husband and all the conspiracy only to be proven wrong. She is the wrong person, at the wrong time, She would be great in Cuba or China where the truth is not available to the public.

  • Posted By: jazzbebop @ 01/16/2008 1:06:16 PM

    One last thing, Romney has got character and is a person with values. He isn't saying he is any better than anyone else - but for all you nay sayers out there that say Romney, because he is LDS isn't a christian - show me someone else who can be married to the same woman for 40 years and come out squeaky clean without trusting in Jesus. It can't be done, you watch - they won't find any dirt on him. He doesn't have someone under his desk like Clinton, or getting caught like that guy in Idaho, he is a man with integrity. Regardless that he acts like a politician and tells you stuff you may say is flip flopping, which we all do and have done based upon the information and education we have on the issues - we all change our opinion! He doens't cheat on his wife, which means - he won't cheat on you. The man deserves the vote, cause he will make changes in the economy, he didn't make all his money in venture capital by not understanding what works and what doesn't. Romney is the man!

    • Posted By: Jeisun @ 01/16/2008 2:44:08 PM

      I think you meant to say "Romeny IS a character!" Who the hell cares about what anyone does in their personal life? You mean to tell me I am not a great CEO because I have been divorced or that your neighbor is a better person than you because he/she never had an affair? That has ab-so-lute-ly nothing to do with anything! I don't care how long he has been married! What is this General Hospital? WHO CARES! Your point is so invalid, so invalid. Just fooolish.

      • Posted By: jazzbebop @ 01/16/2008 9:13:47 PM

        and if you can't keep it straight in your personal life whats the chance you will in your public life? What'd you do, attend the Timothy Leary School of Business for your degree! OR was that the Bill Clinton School of "depends on what you mean by the word.......PERSONAL"!

      • Posted By: jazzbebop @ 01/16/2008 9:11:48 PM

        I didn't say you weren't a great CEO or father or mother becuase you were divorced KNUCKLEHEAD. I said, he has ideals that he has lived. WE all make mistakes... it is evident he hasn't. You would probably do good learning a thing or two from him. In the meantime, focus more time on your kids and less on being CEO and you will probably do ok. In the meantime, quit taking things so personal... no one is calling you a bad person but yourself.

  • Posted By: allan69 @ 01/16/2008 8:29:46 PM

    So Romney doesn't like mileage standards? Well, they can keep manufacturing gas guzzlers in Detroit until hell freezes over, but what if that isn't what the buying public wants? I guess Toyota et al will continue to gain market share. What does it matter anyway? I just hope the Democrats sweep in November...

    • Posted By: jazzbebop @ 01/16/2008 8:52:04 PM

      He didn't say he didn't like mileage standards. What he said was that he wanted to see Michigan get its jobs back, which by and large are from Auto production. I don't think it would matter to a auto worker if he was producing hybrids, muscle cars, or tonka trucks!!!! THat were selling!!!! Which means Mitt would consider higher tariffs for foreign cars... which would be a good idea.

  • Posted By: jazzbebop @ 01/16/2008 8:30:28 PM

    His win a FLUKE!? I don't think so..... The only fluke is lousy liberal reporting. I don't mind liberals or conservatives, just keep it truthful and get the propoganda out of the reporting! ROMNEY FOR PRESIDENT!

  • Posted By: jazzbebop @ 01/16/2008 8:27:24 PM

    Mitt Romney wins Michigan. "HOME RUN". But can he maintain the momentum?

    What a dense headline for an article. Come on Suzanne Smalley... PLAY BIG! He has been maintaining it the entire time!!!!!!!! Count up all the states that have had voting.... who is winning?! And to all you who are saying Mitt is buying his way to the white house - whatever. If the media would give him as much attention as Obama, Hillary and the rest of the liberals, liberal conservatives, and Paris Hilton get he wouldn't have to SPEND ALL THAT MONEY! So, Buck up Suzanne - I want to see 10 more aritcles on how great Mitt is, and plaster him on the next cover of Newsweek with a decent article on the man. NOt some picture of some church in Utah mislabeled as a temple or something. Focus on the ISSUES with it, and give us accurate reporting.

  • Posted By: Scott MacArthur @ 01/16/2008 7:24:49 PM

    The fact that Romney outspent McCain by 7 to 1, that he was in his home state where he is hardwired into the state Republican Party, that McCain's staunch, unequivocal pro-free-trade message his highly offensive to Michigan voters, that McCain's commitment to higher mileage standards all taken together, resulted in Romney winning by 39 to 30 per cent, bodes well for McCain. When he gets into the Arizonas, Colorados, California's and Pacific N.W. McCain's integrity, clarity of thinking and consistency will serve him well. People there will look more for leadership and integrity than than pandering to a particular constituency.
    McCain's recovery and perserverance are remarkable.
    Scott MacArthur
    Calgary, Canada

    • Posted By: jazzbebop @ 01/16/2008 8:17:52 PM

      You are from Canada? I like canada - I think you all need to spend more money on your military however. And do more to controlt he borders. Your border patrol doesn't even carry weapons you know. I bet Mitt Romney spent more money on his campaign than Canada spends on its air force or navy. As a matter of fact, do you all have a navy? You should probably spend some more time giving your government suggestions rather than bashing Romney. He is a great guy, do your homework, educate yourself -= it will help.

  • Posted By: jazzbebop @ 01/16/2008 8:12:24 PM

    ROMNEY - THOMPSON FOR PRESIDENT. JOE LIEBERMAN SEC OF DEFENSE. COLIN POWELL SEC of STATE. CONDE RICE SEC of EDUCATION. MCCAIN SEC of something and Huckabee Sec of Agriculture.

  • Posted By: Apathetic @ 01/16/2008 7:38:24 PM

    Romney will tell people anything he thinks they want to hear in order to get support. In Michigan his "I'll bring the jobs back" rhetoric is deplorable. Please explain how a president can create manufacturing jobs. A president doesn't have the power to create laws that would magically make American made car more appealing to consumers. McCain is right, those jobs are gone. Michigan's one state recession is due to lack of diversity in the business sector and poorly run state and local governments. Not only are businesses not moving into Michigan, but highly skilled workers are moving out as well. Michigan doesn't need to cater to the car makers, it needs to find ways to encourage new business sectors to set up shop in the state which requires strong state and local leadership, not some guy who hasn't lived here since the 60's.

    • Posted By: jazzbebop @ 01/16/2008 8:10:25 PM

      Hey apathetic.... change your attitude man. Zig ZIgler once said "atitiude determines altitude" WE don't need more apathetic people in this land! Get on the boat brother! Pick up a screen name that is at least, well - even if you have to lie, tell us that you are more than just apathetic. Repent! Repent! Change that to Holy Roller or something like that, how about "sunshine" or "smiles". Apathetic is just.... apathetic. Who can even believe your comments with a screen name like that!

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