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  • Posted By: rybo74 @ 01/16/2008 6:51:38 PM

    The mormon faith in its entirety is absolutely one of the most appalling "religions" of our time. Each and every one of you that continue to defend LDS and challenge other individuals to look past an individuals religion while picking a president I ask you..

    If Romney was the man he is today (sans his mormon faith) and had each and every quality that you looked for in a president and yet prior to election day it is released that he is a firm believer in satanism...would you not judge him based on his religion?

    Disclaimer: I am in NO WAY SHAPE OR FORM comparing mormonism to satanism, I am simply using an extreme example to make a point.

    I would say that 99.9% of you would do just that. You have to understand how difficult it is for those of us that have studied your faith to believe in a man's ability to run this country if he truly believes some of the things that LDS teaches. The separation of church in state sounds great in theory however it is impossible to implement in it's entirety. One cannot absolve himself of his beliefs simply because a political decision is at hand. It is in our very nature to make decisions based on what we believe in. Unfortunately, there are direct quotes marrying church and state in The Book of Mormon. The mormon religion will save this nation when the constitution itself finds itself hanging by a thread. That is not verbatim but I'm sure several of you are aware of that quote. I could go on and on about several topics and argue points but I am merely seeking understanding from your side when individuals state that religion does come into play when choosing a candidate.

    • Posted By: jazzbebop @ 01/16/2008 6:59:57 PM

      Actually the quote is that the members of the Church will save the nation when it hangs by a thread. And as near as I can tell in the last twenty years we no longer have prayer in schools, groups are trying to remove "in god we trust" on our money, LA leads the country in producing pornography, we allow abortions, we have the night after pill, you can't post the ten commandments or show a nativity scene on public land - sounds like someone ought to save the country, and it might as well be the mormons that do it.

      • Posted By: sb1967 @ 01/16/2008 7:45:40 PM

        Jazzbebop, your last comment is exactly what scares non-Mormons about the Church. Mormons seem to have this view that everyone needs saving and that they are uniquely positioned to do the saving. It seems like its hard for Mormons to opt for a view where Momons and non-Mormons are working together. Why...because you are God's chosen people? Given what Christ actually taught, the irony of that is almost comical. Read the Bible, the BofM, or even a zillion conference talks and you will see numerous warnings against this and then proclaim that prophecy is being fulfilled with Mitt.....what a joke.

        • Posted By: jazzbebop @ 01/16/2008 8:05:12 PM

          Oh... and the mormons are always looking to join together with other christians, jews, or muslims and do good deeds. The problem..... the other "christians" get together and show movies and books which portray us as freaks, and then attack us for our beliefs. They take a little tiny piece of info and turn it into a big, mass mess.... heck, if I didn't know that what was said was untrue I would think we were freaks also! Bottom line, we don't turn our hand away from others - it has been others who turn their hand away from us..... case in point - study your american history. Who was driven out of Illinois, Missouri, New York, Ohio, etc.... by mobs and lynch mobs to settle in the desert of Utah? Huckabee? NO....... it was the mormons.

        • Posted By: aad135 @ 01/16/2008 8:03:20 PM

          Whoa, whoa whoa here..! What do you mean that scares you that all Mormons think that everyone needs saving..? Correct me if I'm wrong, but the enitrity of the Gospel of Jesus Christ is based upon saving lost souls ("He who believes on Me shall be saved" ring a bell with anyone). Yes, all of mankind is in need of saving through the Atonement of Jesus Christ - there is none other by which this can be accomplished (even you HolyRoller). I have chosen the Mormon faith as my conveyor back to my Heavenly Father. For you, if it is Cathaholicism, Baptistry, or whatever, power to you. I don't demean what you believe, just as I believe that it is my right to believe what I will believe. That is the religious freedom that this country was founded upon.

        • Posted By: jazzbebop @ 01/16/2008 8:00:24 PM

          No one said, nor would I, that the quote is being fulfilled by "mitt". I certainly don't believe that - I think that we as an American people have to become more apathetic till any "saving" needs to be done. What you all need to do though is look at why you think we are the "chosen" people - I never said that, nor has anyone else said it. But Christainity as a whole is getting a little "loosy goosy". Most churches are beginning to accept lifestyles that are not conducive nor congruent with what Christ taught. So, to see a man step up for president that actually gives more than lip service, is a little refreshing. Clinton believed also, but his conduct in the big house didn't back it up necessarily. Romney's does, and will continue. I still don't align with all his political views - but I do align with his character, and feel he would do a great job.

      • Posted By: jazzbebop @ 01/16/2008 7:04:37 PM

        oh... and the quote is not actually found in the book of mormon for your clarification. It is apparent that you have never read the book, if you actually had - your comments would be less ignorant. Not to say that you are ignorant - but, when you speak it is evident it is all based on here say or heresy. Either way, read the book and lets talk - rather than have you say things that you heard someone else say, that didn't know what they were talking about either. Not trying to be rude here, just give us the facts - not your interpretation of someone elses misaligned thoughts.

    • Posted By: jazzbebop @ 01/16/2008 7:12:16 PM

      Oh, and one last thing... there is nothing marrying church and state as you say in the Book of Mormon. Again, don't know where you are getting this information, but it is definately off track, out of line, untrue and SCREWED UP! Quit playing your video game and read something! Like the book you keep trying to quote!

    • Posted By: jazzbebop @ 01/16/2008 6:55:36 PM

      The problem with your study of the faith is that it is all done by religionists that are afraid to lose their own flock. For some reason, the church of Jesus Christ of latter day saints is the fastest growing religion in the world. You think there are that many dumb people out there? Come on - a group of people that actually live by not smoking, drinking, having premarital sex, swearing, cheating, lying, stealing to be compared to satanists? I don't know where you study your mormon beliefs - but what your hearing isn't the truth bud. So, lets dispell the myths now..... what's wrong with mormons, let me clear it up for ya....

  • Posted By: jazzbebop @ 01/16/2008 7:08:43 PM

    ROMNEY FOR PRESIDENT!!! Hands down the best candidate for the GOP. GIve him Thompson as his running mate! As far as the Dem's, well give me Joe Lieberman for Pres and Obama as his VP! Either way, I could vote for those tickets......

  • Posted By: D Mac @ 01/16/2008 4:52:37 PM



    1. Many people dislike the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. Interestingly, the Church that Christ established was regarded to be a sect, and "everywhere it was spoken against" (Acts 28:22.
    2.Mormons do believe that God appeared to Joseph Smith. Of course, many will ridicule this belief. However, there is no doubt that diety did appear to Moses and many others in the Bible. Why is this not possible today? In our view, our world needs revelation more than ever. Amos 3:7 states "surely the Lord God will do nothing save he revealeth his secrets to his servants the prophets."
    3. Mormons do believe that an apostasy occurred within the early Christian church after Christ died and the apostles were killed and imprisoned. In our view, the Bible states that this would occur. See Amos 8:11, 1 Corinthians 11:18; 2 Tim 1:15; 2 Tim 2:18; 2 Thes 2:3. The book Lost Christianities, written by a non-Mormon Christian scholar, seems to support this view. Martin Luther stated that "Christianity has ceased to exist among those who should have preserved it." John Wesley stated that Christians had lost the gifts of the spirit. Many of the other great reformers made similar comments.
    4. The Bible predicted a restoration would take place. See Act 3:21; Isa 11:11; Isa 29:14; Dan 2:44; Matt 17:1; Eph 1:10. Roger Williams also noted that "There is no regularly constituted church on earth, nor any person authorized to administer any church ordinance here; nor can therebe until new apostles are sent by the Great Head of the Church for whose coming I am waiting."
    5. Many claim that Mormons are not Christians. They state this for two reasons: we believe God, Jesus and the Holy Ghost are separate beings; and because we believe Jesus has a physical body. We believe God, Jesus and the Holy Ghost are separate beings because Christ taught us to pray to God; because God's voice was heard from heaven when Christ was transfigured (Matt 17:5); because Jesus prayed to God while on the cross, and because Stephen had a vision of God and Jesus standing on his right side (Acts 7:55). We also believe Christ has a resurrected body. He said in Luke 24:39 "Handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have." In our view, if Christ does not have a body, then he was not resurrected. If Christ was not ressurrected, we could not be resurrected either and religion would have no point since there would be no afterlife.

    Finally, one of our articles of faith states "We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may."

    Hoping that this provides increased understanding and respect for others.

    • Posted By: aad135 @ 01/16/2008 5:12:29 PM

      Amen...

      • Posted By: mariepower @ 01/16/2008 6:31:44 PM

        Enter Your CommentI want to know why it's all fair and good to grill Mike Huckabee about his doctrinal positions, which are in the mainstream of American Christianity, but it's completely off-limits to ask Bishop Mitt Romney about his beliefs. It strikes me as FAR more unusual for someone to believe that the Garden of Eden--and the cradle of civilization--is Missouri than for someone to believe "In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth." But no one ever asks Romney anything about his faith, nor is he ever referred to as 'a former Mormon bishop" while Huckabee is constantly referred to as ' a former Baptist minister." Why the double standard?

        • Posted By: aad135 @ 01/16/2008 7:08:14 PM

          There is no double standard. Huckabee is using his minister label to present him as somehting that he is not. He is using his former office to appeal to a base of Republicans who would vote on him solely due to the "fact" that he claims to be the only true Christian in the campaign. Romney is not making a case about religion, however Huckabee brings it up all the time. The liberal media is pushing Huckabee as the evangelical, conservative candidate because they and the DNC would like nothing more than to defeat that part of America that terrifies everything liberal in this country. That's why Romney is villified for his "non-secular" beliefs, and Huckabee rides the liberal wave that has been created for him.

  • Posted By: Sane in Utah @ 01/16/2008 6:49:35 PM

    Romney will say anything to win. The only time any of these GOP political hacks "care" about the average middle to lower class citizen is when they are campaigning. If you think Romney really has a plan to bring jobs back to Michigan, then you are definitely taking some great drugs -- please send some my way. All the GOP has to offer is more white, rich elitists telling us that everything is wonderful with us (they wouldn't know an average person if one stood in front of them) and that starting more wars (such as in Iran -- look at every GOP candidates opinion on that!) is the best way to go. All I can say is, GOD save us from Republican before it is too late!!!

    • Posted By: jlynch617 @ 01/16/2008 7:04:38 PM

      Sane, do you realy believe that any of these polititions realy mean everything they say. Hillery with 35 years of experiance at what, being first lady? John Edwards always fighting for the little guy, in the meantime making millions in class action suits. Ever see what the little guy gets out of those suits? Sen. Obama is an unknown, sounds good, but who knows if he can get anything done, look at Jimmy Carter. One of them may be our next President and I will respect them for that, but please, get your head out of the sand.

    • Posted By: jazzbebop @ 01/16/2008 6:51:46 PM

      To in sane in Utah..... blah... blah.... blah.....

  • Posted By: rybo74 @ 01/16/2008 6:51:12 PM

    The mormon faith in its entirety is absolutely one of the most appalling "religions" of our time. Each and every one of you that continue to defend LDS and challenge other individuals to look past an individuals religion while picking a president I ask you..

    If Romney was the man he is today (sans his mormon faith) and had each and every quality that you looked for in a president and yet prior to election day it is released that he is a firm believer in satanism...would you not judge him based on his religion?

    Disclaimer: I am in NO WAY SHAPE OR FORM comparing mormonism to satanism, I am simply using an extreme example to make a point.

    I would say that 99.9% of you would do just that. You have to understand how difficult it is for those of us that have studied your faith to believe in a man's ability to run this country if he truly believes some of the things that LDS teaches. The separation of church in state sounds great in theory however it is impossible to implement in it's entirety. One cannot absolve himself of his beliefs simply because a political decision is at hand. It is in our very nature to make decisions based on what we believe in. Unfortunately, there are direct quotes marrying church and state in The Book of Mormon. The mormon religion will save this nation when the constitution itself finds itself hanging by a thread. That is not verbatim but I'm sure several of you are aware of that quote. I could go on and on about several topics and argue points but I am merely seeking understanding from your side when individuals state that religion does come into play when choosing a candidate.

  • Posted By: Pelican @ 01/16/2008 10:18:29 AM

    Jldean writes"I've heard the same testimony from ex-Mormons who have had to sue to leave the LDS "church". It's a cult started by a proven, admitted con-man.
    Yes and I have heard from ex-Mormons that they had a hard time having the horns rempoved from their head.
    Your broad brush approach to explain things are amazing.
    IF you would like to read a short bit about what they believe try this link
    http://farms.byu.edu/10basic/

    • Posted By: True_liberal @ 01/16/2008 6:49:44 PM

      Totally FALSE. Nobody has to sue to "leave the church", they just request it in writing. It never ceases to amaze me what stupid and false ideas about the Mormons gets repeated by the ignorant and the bigoted.

  • Posted By: jazzbebop @ 01/16/2008 6:48:10 PM

    MITT ROMNEY! FOR PRESIDENT! HE IS HANDS DOWN THE BEST CANDIDATE WE HAVE FOR THE REPUBLICAN PARTY. He lives a good moral life, great family, honest, hard working, successful, what more could you ask for?! won't be hiding young females in the oval office, or disgracing it in any way, wishes to protect America, wishes to stimulate the economy, will not take a salary for his time in public office? The Perfect Person for the Job. Last but not least, won't bash your religion..... SOunds like a great role model

  • Posted By: Temujin @ 01/16/2008 2:06:53 PM

    All of this talk about religion saving the country is BS. All of you religious freaks have poisoned this country with your self-righteous rhetoric and bible thumping. You talk about marraige being between a man and a woman when 50% of you can't even make that work. You disgust me and I am sick of the stranglehold you have on the American dream, so carefully squeezing out of it anyone who doesn't share your twisted sense of right and wrong. You preach that homosexuals are immoral and should be punished for their sins yet you fools are responsible for more murders in recorded history than any other religious group.

    Religion is the anti-logic and I am sick of you idiots using politics to spread your filth and oppress anyone who doesn't believe the same as you. You are incapable of reason and thus should be the least qualified group of citizens to vote in an election.

    Go die.

    • Posted By: AH1986 @ 01/16/2008 6:02:31 PM

      I have a question for you. Why are you hear.....in this life I mean? To become rich? Famous? what?! I have a purpose. I am hear to learn and to progress and to become a better person WITHOUT judging others. I don't agree with homosexuality. I think that only a man and a woman together can create a new life. I believe that men and woman have specific gender traits that when both present and used properly can help an innocent child grow to learn how to live in this harsh, cruel world we now inhabit. I don't put others down for what they do or don't believe, and I expect the same from others as well. if you think that me being able to adhere to my own values is an example of pride, then by all means let me be proud, but this no one can take away from me. MY FAITH IN SOMETHING BIGGER THAN MYSELF! I don't think that you're ignorant, as opposed to what the other bloggers have posted, I just think that you are very opinionated and have this sick need to be right. Follow your own path, but please, don't insult me or my faith again.

    • Posted By: aad135 @ 01/16/2008 2:26:51 PM

      Temujin - even if I don't agree with your comments, I believe that you have the right to say what you just posted; that is America. Although it is filled with ignorance (Muslims have slaughtered more non-Islam believing people than any religion in history for the simple fact that they are infidels - Christians, and most other "peaceful" religions try to convert) it is your perrogative to state it. I agree with you, religion will not save this country. But a restoration of the founding principles of this nation will. That is not religion (our founding fathers strictly prohibited a state-religion) but a return to morality, and character will. Yes, it is my belief that homosexual marriage is not moral and against the sanctity of the marriage covenant. However, to be "PC" our cuontry is beginning the shift recognizing homosexual relationships as a choice of lifestyle, and along with that choice granting certain privileges. I disagree that religion is the stranglehold on the American dream. I believe it is the unwillingness to work for what you want - the "you owe me" attitude is what is causing everything that is contrary to the inalienable rights granted in our Constitution. The blacks continue to use the "excuse" that my great-great-great-great-great granfather was brought here in a slave ship, so you owe me. That is non-sense! The American Dream is being snuffed out due to our own incompetence, and our government's inability to satisfy every individuals need. I'm sorry, but the needs of the many out-weigh the needs of the few - or the one. I'd rather have a candidate that has a set of values that he or she maintains, rather than someone that has none...

  • Posted By: widget @ 01/16/2008 5:24:24 PM

    Why is it that the press considers (or even raises the question) that Romney's win a is fluke? He has been at least 2nd in every state he has competted in so far (McCain and Huckabee can't claim that). He has won more votes from individuals to date than any other candidate. He has had more Delegates than anyother cadidate. So odds are he is more likely to win a state than either Huckabee or McCain. Romney is a front runner over all and has been since taking 2nd in New Hamphire. The press shows their Bias by theri repeated negative Headlines about him. They are not credible reporters.

  • Posted By: REASON-1 @ 01/16/2008 5:21:50 PM

    Who said you can't buy an elaction? Only 20% of the total registered voters in michigan came out to vote compared to virtually all of the voters in New Hampshire. Romneys' arguments about what is wrong with washington; that it is broken and needs " CHANGE " sounds more like a Democratic cabdidates'Retoric than the Positive and Logical conservative presentations of a Republican like Fred Thompson. The Michigan voters should be ashamed of themselves for swallowing such drivell. Do they expect him to come up with a "MAGIC PILL" to solve their problems which they themselves are responsible for? When the workers bought one of the big companies and threw out the corrupt management making it worker owned and went from being in the red to being in the black in one year, I thought they finally had a handle on the cause of their problems. Apparently NOT since they must have given themselves UNREASONABLE raises and dividends causing a rise in the cost of steel and the cost of parts made by smaller companies wanting to keep pace. A car that retailed for $ 2000 dollars in 1974 now costs $24000 an increase of 1200 percent in only 33 years compared to an increase of 500 percent in the previous 40 years.Romneys' record like those of the Democrats shows that his solution is to spend more money on programs that won't work and haven't worked for the past 57 years.Will he be spending his money like he has been to get elacted? NO! He will be spending YOUR MONEY just like the Democrats will and have in the past.Amnesty for illegal immigrants who will pay a fine? Won't that open the door for more illegal immigrants from every country who have the money to pay the fine and bypass the current immigration law? Of course it will causing an unsustainable drain on the social security and welfare systems as well as the healthcare and school systems.Can't you see that these programs proposed by Romney,( Juliani another democrat) and the Democratic candidates are all related ? This is NOT a GAME as many commentators would have you believe. Just count the number of times it is referred to as a game during one broadcast.They are predicting the winners with no concern for the losers."So what?, you ask." The real losers will be ("YOU").

  • Posted By: mariethomson @ 01/16/2008 12:21:33 PM

    Romne was not as you pressters would like to believe on the brink of a failed campaign. He had won or votes and mor delegates prior to Michigan to claim frontrunner status (without the press' negatives). He always told us his strategy was to finish first or second in all the early primary states. Well so farhe has done just that.

    Romney has:

    1) Won big in Michigan with lots of delegate votes added.
    2) Won in Wyoming with delegate votes added.
    3) Won second in Iowa with significant delegate votes garnered.
    4) Won second in New Hampshire with delegate votes.

    McCain and Hucabee:

    1) McCain LOST BADLY in Michigan
    2) McCain LOST BADLY in Iowa
    3) McCain LOST BADLY in Wyoming
    4) Huckabee LOST BADLY in Michigan
    5) Huckabee LOST BADLY in Wyoming
    6) Huckabee LOST BADLY in New Hampshire
    Only Romney resonates strongly everywhere in the country!!!

    • Posted By: mudshrimpmoe @ 01/16/2008 12:33:31 PM

      Romney is polling a distant fourth nationally, around 14%. He does not resonate strongly nationwide. In fact, he's only doing as well as he is in the early states because he's vastly outspending all the other GOP candidates ... put together! He's not just outspending them as individuals, but all of them added together!

      Romney supporters put a lot of stock in the delegate count as it stands right now, and probably hope that the primaries would stop with the count as it stands now. It won't happen that way. Romney can't afford to outspend everybody else everywhere. He also has the highest % among GOP candidates of voters nationwide who will NOT vote for him no matter what.

      • Posted By: JGolden @ 01/16/2008 5:18:27 PM

        Yes he has invested a lot of money. However, it is paying off and he now has more delegates than all other canidates from his party combined. http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/scorecard/#val=R. Hardly a waste of money!

  • Posted By: D Mac @ 01/16/2008 4:56:21 PM

    If you don't want to vote for Romney, that is your God given right in this country. However, I would hope we would be voting based on merit and religion (which seems to be constitutional).

    Just to clarify:

    Many people criticize Mormon involvement in polygamy. What is not mentioned is that this also took place in the Old Testament. In fact, an angel of the Lord even told Hagar that she should return to Abraham (Gen 16:7-11). Of course, Mormons stopped polygamy over a hundred years ago and it is hard to deny that Mormons have strong family values today.

    Mormon underwear? Read Lev. 8: 2, 30 or Ex. 29: 5, 21, 29.

    Everything that Mormons believe is found in the Bible.

  • Posted By: murjohn @ 01/16/2008 4:53:46 PM

    There is at LEAST one thing worse than a woman, a black or a Mormon ...... a woman-hater, a black-hater and/or (usually all three) a Mormon-hater.

  • Posted By: murjohn @ 01/16/2008 4:46:09 PM

    There is at least one thing worse than a woman, a black or a Mormon .........a woman-hater, a black-hater and/or (usually the case) a Mormon-hater.

  • Posted By: barbaro @ 01/16/2008 2:17:57 PM

    Americans don't want a decent president with morals or a christian. Look what they did to Bush. If America keeps going like its going the same thing happened to Rome will happen in America! If every proclaimed christian voted the way they say they believe we probably would start to get somewhere. I'm glad I'm at a older age and feelsorry for the generations ahead if we last that long. No God No morals, Against fighting for our country, the list can go on. We use to be the # 1 nation in the world not any more. Yes we need a moral figure in the White House. Like Rome we will fall to if we don't change.!

    • Posted By: Temujin @ 01/16/2008 2:25:34 PM

      Yes, indeed, if we don't find God again, the Goths (Canadians) will swoop down and plunder our riches.

      Please.

      One can have morals without a god. Your inability to separate the two is why this country has gone downhill since televised evangelism.

      • Posted By: aad135 @ 01/16/2008 2:46:57 PM

        Again, more ignorant comments. No, actually, it is the immigration from the south (Mexico) that is over running this country - far worse that any Gothic invasion into Rome. At least Rome knew what to do to stop them, but failed. The Mexican invasion is rotting this country out from within. Illigal immigration is sapping all our welfare and educational systems dry. People wonder why they can't make a decent living, or why our economy is in just bad shape? Illegal immigration is the #1 problem and until we get a firm grip and plan to enforce our current laws, everything else will continue to decline. I'm worried about my Social Security because it is currently supplying some Mexican family with food stamps and emergency room medical services..!

        • Posted By: Temujin @ 01/16/2008 3:24:15 PM

          A pox on all those Mexicans who are taking all the jobs us Americans want. I guess that's why we have so many Mexican doctors, lawyers, teachers, and philosophers now.

          The truth is they are trying to make a better life for their children. You would do the same, you're just too blind to admit it. Every major ethnic group that has migrated to the United States has endured the same fate the Mexicans are now facing. I have no doubt they (the Mexicans) will prevail just as our ancestors did.

          As far as the fiscal deficit they create, hey, i'd much rather my tax dollar go to people in this country who need it more than I do rather than those hopeless cases that are Iraq and Afghanistan. As for everyone else in this country who leeches off of the government rather than WORKING like most Mexicans do, go away.

          • Posted By: aad135 @ 01/16/2008 4:01:32 PM

            Temujin - again more ignorance. The highest percentage of your forebearers that immigrated to the US did so legally. There is still a high percentage that are here legally, however it is the illegals that is sapping our national resources. There is a community here in Washington, way out in no-where USA that is 70% Mexican. This population influx came about in the last 10 years. Crime, drugs, and poverty have increased 300%. The logging industry that prevailed out there is now diminished because the white population that once lived out there moved because of the Mexican illegals. This is just one small-town USA story - this is a fact. I have no qualm with try to make a better life for them selves, but not at my expense. Obviously, you haven't been to an inter-city ER lately where most of the staff are minority races, because they are the lowest paying medical fields that they are willing to take. Yes, I agree with you that most Mexicans are hardworking, but when their slave labor is taken illegally, and their medical expenses are paid for by me, illegally, I have a problem with that...

  • Posted By: jimmimac @ 01/16/2008 3:38:03 PM

    To tell you the TRUTH religion, shouldnt even be an Issue for being a President, America is so diverse and has many more important Isues facing our Country, But anyone who siz we must cange the Constitution should not be running for Presindent in this Country, and doesnt the Bible say thou shall not Kill? STOP the WAR ! FREEDOM and INDIVIDUAL LIBERTY= RON PAUL

    • Posted By: Kallen @ 01/16/2008 3:42:18 PM

      Interesting how you pull just one thing from the Bible to support your rant. The bible also has plenty of examples of God specifically telling his "people" to go to war, to kill, and to slaughter men, women, and children. I'm NOT advocating those things, but the Bible has LOTS of messages. You can't just pull one out and act like that's the final word.

  • Posted By: JBuzicky75@comcast.net @ 01/16/2008 2:55:44 AM

    Top 10 Amazing Facts of Mormonism
    1. Mormons can become gods and goddesses.
    2. Goddesses will spend eternity in full submission to their god-husband.
    3. Mormon women will give birth ???forever and ever??? to spirit-babies.
    4. Mormon men can have multiple wives in heaven???eternal polygamy.

    5. Heavenly Father is an exalted man who lives with his goddess w
    ife, Heavenly Mother, on a planet near the great star Kolob.


    6. American Indians are descendants of the wicked Lamanites, who were Israelites that God cursed with dark skin.

    7. God the Father had sex with Mary to conceive Jesus, who is the half brother of Lucifer.
    8. All Christian churches are an abomination.
    9. Mormons need 4 secret handshakes to get into the Celestial heaven.
    10. Joseph Smith revealed that the actual Garden of Eden is in Jackson County, Missouri.
    ..and Ron Paul is the crazy one?

    • Posted By: rickskm @ 01/16/2008 8:32:10 AM

      JBuz, you're a sad, small person, and I truly feel sorry for you. This country was built on many ideals, among which was the right to religious freedom. I can only assume that you believe that this freedom extends only to those who believe as you believe.

      I don't recall seeing you or anyone else badmouthing the Mormon church as aid poured in from that church when Hurricanes Katrina and Rita hit the South - aid that flowed in with better organization and care than that provided by government agencies. And I'm fairly certain that the care packages provided by the Mormon church did not come complete with copies of the Book of Mormon. Though you may find it hard to believe, Mormons are just as capable as anyone else of serving their fellow man for the sake of serving, not for some ulterior motives.

      As I recall, this country did not face a new Inquisition when we had our first Catholic president. It seems silly to think that having a Mormon president would mean that every school would have Osmonds or Mormon Tabernacle Choir music pumped into it each morning.

      JBuz, you may want to gain a quick education prior to the general election. Try reading the Federalist Papers, so you can see how this nation's government was designed to limit the powers of radical special interests while still providing the freedoms we all cherish.

      If you disagree with a political candidate's views, vote against them. But if your vote is cast largely based on his or her religious beliefs, your place is in Iran, not in the United States of America.

      • Posted By: jldean1 @ 01/16/2008 10:05:06 AM

        You may all ridicule JBuz, but with the exceptions of numbers eight and nine, he's telling the truth. I've heard the same testimony from ex-Mormons who have had to sue to leave the LDS "church". It's a cult started by a proven, admitted con-man. The rest of you should do your research before you blindly label LDS members as Christians. This is not to say that there aren't good, wholesome people in the LDS community. But Christians they aren't. Below are two sites you might consider reviewing before you start believing LDS "doctrine". (And no, I'm not Catholic =) ).

        http://www.exmormon.org/
        http://www.exmormon.org/fourteen.htm
        http://www.catholic.com/library/Gods_of_the_Mormon_Church.asp

        There are numerous other sites that expose the true nature of the LDS "church". And I encourage all of you to do some research to learn the truth. Again, none of this is to say that Mitt Romney is a bad man. Personally I think he's a good family man. But if your core beliefs can be based on a doctrine that is proven false and, to the Christain church, heretical, what does that say about your judgement in other more secular matters?

        • Posted By: rickskm @ 01/16/2008 3:31:07 PM

          Interesting that your knowledge of Mormonism comes from EX Mormons. Do you approach everything in life the same way? When you're shopping for a car and think a Camry might be nice, do you immediately go looking for people who once owned a Camry and thought it was a horrible car? When you need an attorney, do you seek out every client for whom the attorney ever lost a case? If you're looking for the negative spin on anyone or anything, I assure you that you will find it. I for one prefer to get both sides of a story, then thoughtfully decide for myself.

        • Posted By: BotBot @ 01/16/2008 2:28:31 PM

          The Church of Jesus Christ (LDS) is often accused by Evangelical pastors of not believing in Christ and, therefore, not being a Christian religion. This article http://mormonsarechristian.blogspot.com/ helps to clarify such misconceptions by examining early Christianity's comprehension of baptism, the Godhead, the deity of Jesus Christ and His Atonement.

          The Church of Jesus Christ (LDS) adheres more closely to First Century Christianity and the New Testament than any other denomination. For example, Harper???s Bible Dictionary entry on the Trinity says ???the formal doctrine of the Trinity as it was defined by the great church councils of the fourth and fifth centuries is not to be found in the New Testament.???


          One Baptist blogger stated ???99 percent of the members of his Baptist church believe in the Mormon (and Early Christian) view of the Trinity. It is the preachers who insist on the Nicene Creed definition.??? It seems to me the reason the pastors denigrate the Church of Jesus Christ (LDS) is to protect their flock (and their livelihood).

        • Posted By: Utah54 @ 01/16/2008 11:52:19 AM

          We have never taught that Mary and Heavenly Father had sex. That is a blatant lie. We believe in the virgin birth. It amazes me that people will get their information from those who have an agenda. It blows my mind that people will deem a source credible because it tickles their ears. If I want to know about Judaism I do not ask an evangelical for info. Why because they are not practicing the faith in question? I also do not get my information from one who has left the faith because they are bitter and are nursing a chip on their shoulder and not a reliable source of information. One question to ask of those "ex-Mormons" is ask them why they were excommunicated? Living in Utah I have voted against people who are the same faith as I am. I also personally would never vote for Harry Reid for dog catcher. That being said because of Mike Huckabee playing the religion card I will not vote for him if he is the GOP nominee. I will vote for a democrat for President for the first time in my life. I was here in 1998 when he gave a speech filled with hate and lack of respect. I question a man's ability to be president if he is that narrow-minded.

          • Posted By: astounded @ 01/16/2008 1:31:08 PM

            Of course you're not Catholic. Catholics and LDS generally have mutual respect without all the fanatacism that is displayed on these blogs. What is continually astounding to me is the gall of some people, like yourself, who arrogantly set themselves up as the word on who is Christian and who isn't. Did God tell you who isn't Christian? Because if not, then you have some explaining to do. You are witnessing your own lack of faith by thinking it is up to you to speak for Christ about who is a proper Christian. That in itself is proof that you aren't a true Christian as that is about the most un-Christlike display imaginable. Open your eyes and stop wandering around like a blind sheep who is repeating nonsense from your preacher who wants to keep you in his flock. You don't have to join the LDS church if you don't want to. Nobody is trying to make you do anything. But to sit back and judge who is Christian and who isn't is an amusing paradox for a self-proclaimed Christian isn't it?

            And stop trying to hide behind religion to try to promote whoever your candidate is. Let's face it. You are trying to make someone look bad by misrepresenting their religion, to dissuade people from voting for that person.

      • Posted By: lark @ 01/16/2008 1:03:59 PM

        I think you are totally missing the point here. It is a question of the judgement of Romney who ascribes to a faith that is very "out there" with some of it's teachings. Yes, we have a separation of church and state in this country, but to say that someone who is pointing out some the more radical beliefs of the Mormons belongs in Iran makes you just as intolerant as you are accusing this poster of being. If someone decides that they don't want to vote for someone because they are of a faith that they don't approve of, it is their perogative--this is America! For that matter, if Tom Cruise or John Travolta ran for President, no matter what their polital views, I could never vote for them because of their membership in the Church of Scientology, and you better believe that their religion would become an issue.

    • Posted By: vicasey @ 01/16/2008 1:07:08 PM

      Not sure what religion you profess to believe JBuz, but they all have oddities about them. Just look at how crazy Jesus sounded to the majority when he was preaching to the people in his day. His teachings were of such blasphemy they killed him.

      I do not believe everything you listed is true, but the mormon church would be a better place to get clarafication.

      • Posted By: JBuzicky75@comcast.net @ 01/16/2008 2:41:56 PM

        I am a devout Deist. So I'll sit back and listen to whats wrong with reason and personal experience.

        Ron Paul and or Dennis Kucinich are the ONLY candidates that represent change. Look at the other candidates' advisers and the fact they all belong to the CFR.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ES7S0rJu3o

  • Posted By: BotBot @ 01/16/2008 2:23:32 PM

    The secularists would decimate a Huckabee GOP candidate (the "Christian homophobic Leader") in the general election. Huck is the DNC???s favorite candidate, they have not issued a negative press release on him in 9 months. Mitt is the DNC???s nightmare; the DNC has issued 99 press releases on Mitt. McCain???s the favorite of the Trial Lawyers??? lobby, and advocates for open-borders. Mitt has more Republican votes and delegates than any other candidate.

    Mitt Romney has the right qualifications (the only one with non-governmental (Bain, Olympics) leadership experience, a deep-seated faith, a vision for this country's future, and an exemplary personal and family life.

    Mitt has the organizational skills to run a campaign in the general election and run the country. Huck, McCain, Hillary or Obama have never even run a lemonade stand. Mitt would appeal to the Independents and some Democrats for his unique qualifications to lead our country.

    • Posted By: jckurz @ 01/16/2008 2:45:14 PM

      Romney had carte blanche with the Olympics to do anything he wanted, and probably a similar level of power at Bain. He won't be so lucky as president. The CEO approach doesn't work so well there, when you have to actually win people to your position and you can't just tell them what to do. Everybody also trumpets his fiscal record in Mass, but he had a line-item veto giving him tremendous leverage. Again, he won't be so lucky as president.

      When you look at Mitt's Massachusetts record, remember that he did almost nothing to establish a lasting legacy. He did nothing to bolster the Republican party here, and in fact Republicans in the legislature here have come out in support of McCain. It's as much a one-party state now as when he started. Also when his lieutenant governor, Kerry Healey, ran to succeed him, he didn't support her. She was thrown to the dogs (the press and Democrats) who ganged up to sink her prospects of winning. As a consequence, Deval Patrick, was elected with little scrutiny of his record or policies. He's liberal spender with lots of new ideas for big new programs, and is rapidly reversing everything Mitt did. So much for a legacy! Mitt used his governership as a springboard to the presidency, and that's pretty much it. It's all about him. It always has been.

      • Posted By: Kallen @ 01/16/2008 3:27:39 PM

        jckurz, valid points. But, there are a LOT of CEOs who did not have the success the Romney had. The previous head of the SLC Olympic committee failed with the same "power" that Romney had. If it was just a matter of "telling people what to do", I'm guessing MANY CEO's would be more successful.

        Even with a position of authority, you still need to motivate and set examples, and encourage, and enlighten your crew. Romney is GREAT at that.

        For example, instead of just TELLING his Olympic staff and committees to cut down on spending, he set the example by putting an end to all catered business meeting. Instead, he had pizza brought in. And, if you wanted any, it was a dollar a slice!

        THAT's leadership. That's the kind of thing Mitt Romney can do as President. He's got the ideas and the skill-set to make wonderful things happen.

  • Posted By: gomyson @ 01/16/2008 3:11:47 PM

    Mitt Romney is a decent fellow and I believe his steadiness is frustrating people who do not know what else to do, but kick up a lot of dust. The tantrums and tirades posted here are more the reflection of ignorant writers, not the candidate. I do appreciate views on policies, ideas for solutions and our need as a nation to behave more responsibly and with compassion in the world. I hold a lot of respect for Mitt Romney. He represents what I'd like to believe America still values--family, faith, and freedom. John McCain is an honorable man. I like him, but his best years are really behind him and his campaign promises are "no promises". He knows how bleak the nation's situation is and he knows he is just one tired man. He doubts (given the network he has to work with) that he can deliver everything on the nation's wish list, so he doesn't make promises he can't keep. Fair enough. However, I want a candidate who is used to solving challenging problems. Many times in business and the public sector, Mr. Romney sees a grim reality and says with cheerful optimism "Let's try together" and then he brings in everyone for the brain storm and uses every resource, treating people with respect all along the way. He is inclusive and that is why he succeeds. The people most unhappy with Mr. Romney likely chose the comfort of excuse and complacence and probably got nudged out of the roadblock. Like John McCain, Mr. Romney also does not make promises he cannot keep. However, he promises to FIGHT for the economy and the nation's health, education and security. Everyone knows, you cannot win what you will not try! Romney has my vote. On a side note in defence of religious freedom and fault-finding, I have followed the natural disasters that have plagued our world over the last few decades and have been intrigued by the relief that comes without fanfare from this candidate's church. They are always standing ready and always one of the first on the scene to provide relief! All I know is there are a lot of people in the world who have been blessed by their network of competence and caring. It is interesting that their pioneer mascot is the BEE and that many hail from the Beehive State. I'd be interested to know if Jerry Seinfeld isn't subtly campaigning for the man via the BEE MOVIE. Brilliant!

    • Posted By: AH1986 @ 01/16/2008 3:21:41 PM

      All I can say to this comment is thank you. Thank you for looking past the false information and detrimental remarks from the other posts and the media, and putting an actual, and FAIR comments as to why you are choosing Romney over McCain. If your choice were reversed, I would still see this post as a breath of fresh air to all the inaccurate, and downplay associated with the media. Thank you once again for your HONEST oppinion.

  • Posted By: jimmimac @ 01/16/2008 3:21:14 PM

    All those uncommited votes were for RonPaul and you know-it, I can't wait till the Primary comes out West, then you will all wake up to the fact that Paul is the only one who speaks to the real Americans

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