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  • Posted By: byronlutz @ 01/17/2008 10:03:27 AM

    What a strange spin on this story! Just goes to show that when the emotional issue of abortion is discussed, neither side has the capacity to be reasonable.

    • Posted By: Ithink4myself @ 01/17/2008 10:14:42 AM

      Any what example of "reason" are you displaying?

  • Posted By: TheRightToSpeak @ 01/17/2008 10:12:29 AM

    I am pro choice. And although I do think that a fetus is form of life, I believe that the woman carrying the child has the ultimate say in what she does. After all God gave all of us the power of choice for better or worse. Even if abortion was illegal it would still be performed but it wouldn't be regulated and it would be much more horrific. Can we at least agree that it is better to have the practice regulated then unregulated?

    Peace and Love,
    Your comments are truly ignorant. Stating that people shouldn't have sex with Pro-life or anti-choice individuals clearly shows that it is likely your are poorly educated, close minded, and likely of a bad upbringing. Comments and feelings on the topic are one thing but your insights seem to be nothing but rhetoric slanderous remarks to prompt anger and frustration. Making them truly worthless.

  • Posted By: jenlars3 @ 01/17/2008 9:49:04 AM

    Naturally, adoption isn't even mentioned. As an adoptive parent (mother), this is very frustrating that adoption rarely enters into the discussion on abortion. Of course, you never see pamphlets on adoption resources in the lobby at Planned Parenthood. And, of course, much more space is devoted to decrying the lack of abortion providers than the possibility that more women are choosing to carry to term because they want to. After all, NOW would rather have us believe that any woman choosing not to abort an unplanned pregnancy must either be brainwashed by zelots with the astounding idea that maybe there is an intrinsic value to the unborn, kept "barefoot and pregnant" by her ogre husband or boyfriend, or tragically poor and otherwise unable to get to an abortion clinic. It simply can't be that a woman makes the educated "choice" that doesn't go along with NOW's agenda. Sorry, NOW, you don't speak for me.

    • Posted By: blue_rylie @ 01/17/2008 10:11:21 AM

      With all due respect, abortion and adoption are two seperate issues. Abortion is for a woman who doesn't want too, or feels she can't, carry a pregnancy. Adoption is for a woman who doesn't want too, or feels she can't, raise a child. Both are reproductive choices, both deserve equal voice, both SHOULD be taught. But the two choices are exclusive of each other. Adoption does nothing for a woman who doesn't want too, or feels she can't, carry a pregnancy. I've been to planned parenthood, most recently during my pregnancy with my son, and yes they did discuss adoption with me. I planned my son, wanted him, so I wasn't personally interested but the point remains that the goal of planned parenthood overall is to offer ALL options. Perhaps some fall short of this goal, I have not visited them all. NOW chooses it's battles, and adoption isn't at risk of being outlawed by any stretch of the imagination, so NOW has no reason to take up that battle. Adoption is a great choice for those that can do it, but not all can. As an adoptee, I could never make that choice knowing what I know. Both my bio-mom and adopt-mom are prochoice, both do the best they can with what they have, both made a choice. THEIR choice to make. Does not mean it has to be my choice. On a side note, I have to say that adoptive parents and biological parents face some of the toughest parenting choices out there. And I'm glad they do what they do! I support ALL the choices and advocate for FULL education of all the choices.

  • Posted By: CIAmom007 @ 01/17/2008 10:10:33 AM

    Proud Military Wife here are your exact words "Good luck, we have no respect for the weak they only get in our way. and by then you will be seen as no value. " Abortions are necessarily OK, they just sometimes are needed for that individuals situation. Or so they feel at that time. Some people feel bad about doing it, others not so much. I have had two and I don't not feel one once of sadness or emptyness, just relief. I didn't mean for it to happen, it just did. That is just how I am and I can't speak for others. I do understand, I guess I get frustrated with the topic because it is such an individual thing. I try to be as understanding with everything as I can and this subject gets crazy.

  • Posted By: Tracker500 @ 01/17/2008 10:06:35 AM

    mik1of3 said: "One thing I've noticed...why is it that the majority of pro-lifers are also pro-death penalty? Is that not hypocritical?"

    I have heard this question a million times and mik1of3 probably have heard the answer just as many times, but it never seems to sink in. LISTEN UP! An unborn baby NEVER killed anyone. A serial murderer on death row has killed many people and terrorized the public, sometimes putting the victims through excruciating pain. The Timothy McVeigh's of the world has to be neutralized. Now, do you understand? Probably not. You will ask that same question again tomorrow.

  • Posted By: peace and love @ 01/17/2008 10:05:25 AM

    PMW: I completely understand you. I don't agree with you. That, my friend, does not make you right. I too know a woman who had an abortion and she hasn't looked back and doesn't regret it. I'm sorry about your mom's experience but it was her PERSONAL experience. Again, it's a personal matter that must be left up to the individual.

  • Posted By: TheRightToSpeak @ 01/17/2008 10:04:21 AM

    I am pro-choice. I think the ultimate decision is up to the woman carrying the child. A fetus is a form of life however, God gave all of us the power of choice. Even if abortion is made illegal it will still continue but the practices will be much more horrific.

    peace and love - You comments and arguements are truely ignorant. You speak as though you have hate for others. I would easily assume you are with little education and a poor family upbringing.

  • Posted By: kenewton @ 01/17/2008 9:57:59 AM

    Just as a jury of peers usually makes the call (guilty or not) whether or not a serial killer gets the death penalty.....so should the decision to abort a normal healthy pregnancy. While I agree that a woman has the right to do whatever she wants with her own body......what gives her the right to decide to end a life other than her own? Does insurance cover abortion?

  • Posted By: Ithink4myself @ 01/17/2008 9:16:34 AM

    Don't you just love those Pro-choice (peace and love) thinkers? How about we ask the unborn whether they have been given "a choice". How sad, that your definition of "peace and love" is to rip a child out of it's mother's womb, or crush it's skull.

    • Posted By: v63146 @ 01/17/2008 9:57:52 AM

      Maybe we ought to be asking those children that are born in horrible circumstances, abused and addicted to drugs whether they would have "chosen" to be born. Be sensible - a fetus can't make a choice but a woman should have the choice to not have a child if it is not going to be taken care of.

  • Posted By: peace and love @ 01/17/2008 9:57:47 AM

    No one is pro abortion. We are pro choice. No one runs around urging women to abort. We run around fighting for the safe medical treatment for all women regardless of what someone else thinks on the other end of the country. Choice will prevail in our country as it is the majority view.

  • Posted By: ambrosealumni @ 01/17/2008 9:57:34 AM

    P.S. -- these convoluted, over-complicated answers as to why this happening are ridiculously funny to read. I am a Ph.D educated individual who works in the field of medicine and healthcare ... and the answer is so shamelessly obvious. ; )

  • Posted By: ambrosealumni @ 01/17/2008 9:54:59 AM

    Oh, my God. How on earth is this "bad" news for anyone? These flaming liberals at Newsweek are SO predictable. What the heck happened in 1981? Oh, yeah ... we elected Ronald Reagan. The Gipper just keeps on giving. Way to go, Ronaldus Maximus. Keep voting conservative. It works every time it's tried. ; )

    Go ahead, fire your liberal darts. These statistics don't lie. And I will go to sleep smiling. There is more access to abortion than ever, my friends, and you know it. You absolutely know what is happening, and it is a cultural change. Yes, indeed. ; )

  • Posted By: Tracker500 @ 01/17/2008 9:52:46 AM

    Vianna, you don't understand the pro-abortion mindset. You are right that open adoption is the way to go and it brings happiness to the biological mom knowing that her baby is alive and well taken care of, happiness to the adoptive parents and happiness to the baby. But, that is NOT the ultimate goal of the pro-abortion crowd. As far back as the 60's, it has always been about zero population growth. These are the envrionmentalists and the PETA people. To them, humans are destroying the earth, and the only way to prevent that is to kill off as many babies as possible. I don't have strong feelings for either side. If a woman wants an abortion, I couldn't care less. But, let's call a spade a spade. We know exactly why groups like Planned Parenthood are in place. It is all about population control.

  • Posted By: CIAmom007 @ 01/17/2008 9:51:58 AM

    To 'Proud Military Wife', (for you peace and love) it is not as if you are wrong per se, but at the same time you are not right either. God allows us to make our own decisions whether right or wrong and we will be judged on that. He says in the new testament to not judge others as that is not our job, it is only for Him. Yet, you say that you have "no respect for the weak!" Who do you think you are?! Once again, it is down to choice. You disagree while others agree, that is the choice. "Accidents" happen and sometimes to go through that messes up the child and people have the foresight to know that. They are trying to not be selfish by making their choice for what is right for them. YOU DO NOT WALK IN THEIR SHOES SO WHO ARE YOU TO JUDGE? My mother is adopted and still walks with that crutch. Being her daughter I had to bear the depression that she had by not feeling loved enough. "Why didn't they want me?" Anyway, I have made that "decision" twice and NO I don't not need therapy and NO I do not feel bad. I would have felt worse going through it. I now have a beautiful daughter who I give my all to. By the way I am not worked up because I have walked this path that is on the other side of probably everything you know and I know that pain. I will defend that to the end.

  • Posted By: peace and love @ 01/17/2008 9:43:56 AM

    I guess proud military wife will be the one who decides what is right and what is wrong.

    Are we all comfortable with that?

    • Posted By: Proud Military wife @ 01/17/2008 9:49:25 AM

      I never said that. But it is true no matter how you turn your words. There is always a right and wrong. If my children were hungry and I stole bread from you. It is still wrong no matter what the reason. Would I steal bread from you if my children were hungry. yes, does not change that there is consequences to all my actions. And your twisted words does not change that abortion is wrong.

  • Posted By: jrenee @ 01/17/2008 9:47:11 AM

    So....it would be interesting to know if there has been an increase in unwed mothers....and an increase in STDs....Aides...etc. I read about another alarming stude a year ago that showed the infertility rate had increased dramatically possibly due to exposure to toxins, chemicals, etc.
    We MUST continue to promote abstinance amoung our teens!

  • Posted By: carl6352 @ 01/17/2008 9:46:33 AM

    why do more studies its a waist of money. its a combination of all factors.less acsess, more knowledge of what is done, people are having less premarital sex. also because of this we have stopped the decline in population for the first time in years. i guess that's a problem for the gore types. we will destroy the enviorment faster. we do many studies!!!!!!!!!!

  • Posted By: mik1of3 @ 01/17/2008 9:45:52 AM

    And personally, I would be afraid to put a baby up for adoption. Many people who do so, do it on the condition that they remain anonymous. More and more we see those "private" records being opened, in lieu of the adoptees rights.
    And if adoptions are so easy, why are celebrities, and many US citizens, going overseas to do it?

  • Posted By: peace and love @ 01/17/2008 9:16:25 AM

    DON'T HAVE SEX WITH ANTI CHOICE PEOPLE.

    Vote for choice. It's clear that the far right is continuing the desire to control what we do with our bodies. Their claim that a fetus is an infant is just plain ignorant. VOTE FOR PRO CHOICE CANDIDATES.

    • Posted By: noke4duke @ 01/17/2008 9:45:11 AM

      whether or not a fetus is an infant is still medically unresolved. Let's say we one day develop the technology to artificially support the fetus outside of the woman's body until it can live on its own. Would you then consider a fetus alive? Please remember that just because the child is dependent upon the woman to live does not make it not alive. There are plenty of simbiotic creatures in this world that depend upon another lifeform for nourishment and survival. A fetus/unborn child is no different. As far as choice goes, should a woman have the right to choose to kill her newborn infant? No. of course not. So please enlighten me as to the difference.

  • Posted By: djonesss @ 01/17/2008 9:43:58 AM

    Before we ever achieve any lofty goal such as "Peace on Earth", we need for the world to understand the phrase "mind your own business".
    People to need to pay attentions to their own lives and problems and leave others, for whom they are NOT responsible, ALONE!

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