Better Prevention or Changing Attitudes?

Dear Logical thinker...i quote here you said... "So basically what you are saying is, since informed women are more likely to keep the baby lets inform them, however, since informed teens are more likely to have sex (be it probably in a safer manner) lets not inform them...." Absolutely wrong deduction from the words written...truth is...You were given a wonderfully created brain...use it to the full capacity...ask all the questions you can think of and don't ever be concerned you know more than can be spiritually answered...you were given that thinking,deductive brain for a reason...use it , educate your kids, be involved in their lives and trust them to run with what they learn. Also learn to love and forgive the person (ourselves here) who made mistakes in the past as none of us are the same people we were even yesterday. I sure hope you get a hold of this book on the Big Bang..DNA...and so much more..it's great. (again it's Francis Collin's book, (Francis is head of the Human Genome project, with over a 1000 geneticists under him) His book is titled The Language of God and offers a common ground for scientists and believers to MEET. Good talkin to you logical thinker!

Truth is that we all sit on the judgement board when we condemn the actions of others. Is it better that a child is brought into a house that resents it? Or an abusive house? Or to a family that has no belief in God? If God wants abortion stopped, He will stop it. To argue the right or wrong of it is ludicrous. Christians, pray hard for God's will to be done. That's all we can do. Personal opinions are not really important. All we are really doing is trying our best to show others here how intelligent we are so our prideful selves will swell up. Jesus spent His time here explaining that we should look at ourselves not others. Are we so perfect that we have no issues? Let's examine our own lives, and see where we can change instead of trying so hard to change everyone else.

The abortion issue has some many in's and out's and what for's that it is virtually impossible to be able to address them all. The bottom line is that we are all human. Some of us stop and think while others do not. Some think they are doing the right thing and then "oops" a mistake happens or their form of contraception fails. Now that INDIVIDUAL is left with a CHOICE. Take road "A" with all consequences or "B" with all those consequenses. No matter what the decision there will be pro's and con's. Depending, yet again, on the individual, what can they or can't they handle. We do not travel the same road as another person, what is good for one isn't good for another. Will the person that got pregnant be accepted and not shunned by the church for getting pregnant out of wedlock. That person may choose to get an abortion then face the wrath of the church, then again maybe the church will help and be forgiving. What about the person who gets pregnant and stands to be disowned from the family if she kept it, than again maybe the family will embrace her. There are so many things to consider on an individual basis that it is crazy. People are on her e spouting what they would do, well have you ever been on the streets, gotten raped, ended up pregnant with no means and no family and so chooses to get an abortion for the childs sake? That person felt it was in the best interest of the child where you wouldn't have. Well you know what? IT WASN'T FOR YOU TO DECIDE!! That woman made a very difficult CHOICE as all human beings have a right to do.

You know what I find funny . . . the hypocrisy of some of these religious people. They stand here and say that women should be fully informed before making any decisions because they believe that if women knew more then they would not have abortions. Then the same people say that we should not fully inform our children about sex but rather we should just tell them that it is not right for them or they are too immature. So basically what you are saying is, since informed women are more likely to keep the baby lets inform them, however, since informed teens are more likely to have sex (be it probably in a safer manner) lets not inform them. I am sorry but ignorance is an evil no matter what. Leaving your child without the proper knowledge to make a decision of any kind is a failure of the parent.

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Posted By: lconcepcion @ 01/17/2008 11:26:35 AM
Comment: To each and every person -myself included- who has ever supported, performed, participated, or helped in any way with the mass killing (1out of every 3 children since 1961) of children through the means of abortion of ANY kind through the use of devices such as IUD, to taking abortion pills, to actually surgical procedures: you are an assassin, a killer, just like a downtown gangster. Please don't lie to yourself. Christ will forgive you.

Hey, lconcepcion , get your facts straight....the IUD doesn't kill babies, it prevents pregnancies from ever happening. IUD's come in two varieties in the US. One time releases hormone into a women's system (Mirena) and prevents pregnancy much the same way that the pill does, and the other (ParaGuard) has copper on it, and the copper has spermicidal properties. Either the hormone or copper, combined with the actual device, which is thought to prevent implantation, prevents a women from ever getting pregnant, so don't go calling someone a murderer for being smart enough to take preventative measures. As far as why there is a decrease, it is probably a combination of all the factors, limited access to abortion services, better access to preventative measures (birth control, morning after pill). That being said, at the end of the day, even the most careful of us can end up in this predicament. Birth control fails, even with vasectomies and tubal ligations folks still get surprises, it's not because they were irresponsible. It's good to know that I have options, even if I may never use them. Who are you to condemn someone else for the very personal choices they make?

Well, why don't we outlaw christianity (mainly Catholic)in this country as well. It has killed FAR more people than abortions ever will! Its even made ancient cultures extinct. All those Spanish running around smoking down the natives of the Americans all in the name of Christ. CONVERT OR DIE was their mantra. How dare you tell others on how to live their lives. How can somebody who's religion has so much blood on its hands convince me that it really cares about the unborn? It can't. Its all about control. Religion has ALWAYS been about control. I hope I may one day see humanity grow out of its 'infancy' and dump these silly dogmas before they kill us all.

It's not as if PP is running around forcing people to have abortions. Their profit is a direct result of how many women that they helped. Thank you PP.

In which verse of the bible does God say abortion is murder? I'd really like to know so I can read it for myself.

"Why is it disgusting for PP to turn a profit but if it's an OB/GYN at a hospital that is okay?"

LOL. Your're funny. While most hospitals are on the verge of bankruptcy, Planned Parenthood is reaping approximately $1 billion annually. That's nine zeroes. The more abortions, the bigger the profit. Encouraging abortions is in their best interest, just as making people feel like they are sick boosts sale for the pharma industry. No one is saying PP is entitled to making money, but tell the truth. It is a money-making machine which exploits young, vulnerable women.

I think a point a lot of people are missing is the availability of pregnancy calendars and the like on the internet, it makes the pregnancy more real because you are informed about the growth of the fetus/baby and it makes it harder on your conscience to abort when you know the heart is beating at 5-6 weeks. But I would not outlaw abortion, throughout history, when women are pregnant with a child they dont want they will do anything to end the pregnancy, if there is a medically safe way to do it, that should be her choice. I personally got pregnant at 19, finished college (while on welfare and food stamps for a year) and worked my way through grad school, we need to stop treating teenage pregnancy as the end of a girls life, besides, medically, 18-24 is the optimal time for child bearing.

This is good news regardless of the side you fall on. Teen birth rates being up, not so good news BUT the choice is theirs and they have to make the choice that is right for them. I hate to be the logical one here, but saying just don't get pregnant until you are ready is, well, frankly it's ignorant. Life is not perfect, contraception can and does fail, and rape unfortunately happens. Unintended pregnancies have always occurred and will always occur, that's reality. Women fought long and hard for the RIGHT to determine their own medical and health risks, and the idea that this is in danger now is disgusting. Like it or not, pregnancy is very much a health risk. If you've given birth, then you should be WELL educated on the risks involved, and a woman should choose if she is or is not willing to take that risk. Abortion rates dropping, that's outstanding, the less it is needed the happier everyone is. Eliminating that option altogether, that's ignorant. Until it is your life at risk, it is simply not your choice to make. As it stands right now, there is NOTHING that is 100% effective in preventing unintended pregnancy, and I seriously doubt there will be in any of our lifetimes. I hope that some day all women will have access to quality medical care within their area so that they can make informed decisions that are right for them. And on a side note, abstinence only education is a joke. Hundreds of years of people trying to prevent teen sex and unwed sex have failed at every turn. Education is the best prevention available

It's the continuing empowerment of women that is causing the decline in abortions. This is something pro-life advocates would not agree with. Providing women with the resources they need to deal effectively with their own lives, such as education and choices, puts them in control and allows them to understand there are alternatives to abortion without condemnation. Ironically, it is the right to choose which causes the decline. There seems to be a camp which is not sophisticated enough to understand this. Pro-choice begets trust begets empowerment begets life. Simple.

This should send lots of you over the edge - a novel ideal - just don't have sex then you don't have to worry about any of the associated problems. Sex is NOT a recreational activity. It was established to be a bond of love between a husband and wife and meant for procreation of life. It is special and beautiful. Have more respect for yourself. I know it works because early on when I was young I had a set of rules for myself and didn't violate them. Today, 50 years later I 'm happy, have wonderful kids that I wanted and am healthy and free of regrets and diseases.

No one has the right to impose their will, religion, or morality on someone else.

No one has the right to enter my house and steal my things. No one has the right to use foul language in front of my 3 year old. No one has the right to have sex at will, get on the government welfare system and get free money. No one has the right to impose sickness on others by going to work, school, church and other places while sick. It happens both ways.

Religious fanatic freaks please leave your pathetic comments elsewhere. Stop trying to push your brainwashed dogma on people with intelligent minds that enjoy thinking for themselves rather than have some freako preist/pastor/rev. that likes to fondle little boys tell them what to do and that they are born in sin! As if a baby could be born in sin. Obviously birth control is the way to go if youre sexually active but people make mistakes and abortion needs to be there as a choice. Should it be used as birth control, no.

I have no regrets about mine, and I am a financially successful young woman with loving relationship with a man who was willing to marry her and raise the child. I am glad I had the choice, for a baby would have ruined my life.

ithink4myself Actually, since you seemed to think my mother is prochoice (and was using contraception that failed) I will clarify for you. BOTH of my mothers are prochoice. Yes, I said both. I am adopted. My biological mom didn't think abortion was right for her, she thought adoption was the right choice for her, but she remains prochoice and doesn't think she can tell other women what to do. My adoptive mom, unable to have children herself, is clearly and advocate of adoption but does not think that means every woman has to make that choice nor does she think that children are an entitlement or that sterile couples *deserve* kids via adoption from other women. She also thinks that women need to make their own choices. Care to assume anything else? Since we're there, I'll save you the time. I'm prochoice, a mother of 3 children all born in wedlock, a military wife, and a Christian. Don't assume you know, because clearly you do not