Why are abstinence proponents called naive for encouraging and expecting teenagers to abstain from sex. That's no different than saying teenagers can't be taught to abstain from drugs. Heck, if Planned Parenthood were put in charge of children's traffic safety, they would devote their time and energy teaching kids how to dodge cars rather than stay off the freeway. What are we doing to our young impressionable kids?? They look to us for guidance- why are we so quick to give them "safe sex" tools rather than giving them the tools to demand and have self-respect and self-worth. Most parents have to *** at their teens to remember to put their seat belt on, do their homework, put their shoes away, yet you want to trust these same teenagers to take a pill every day or remember to keep a condom near by at all times. Maybe kids are simply not equiped to be having sex, plain and simple! I don't think this is a crazy or unreasonable way of thinking. Teach your children to set their standards high and encourage them to find something to be passionate about, not how to put a condom on a banana!!
Better Prevention or Changing Attitudes?
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Posted By: dlynne14 @ 01/17/2008 5:01:55 PM
Are you for real. To even slightly equate drug abuse/addiction to sexual behavior is absurd. Human beings are sexual beings. Sex has been around since time began. Teenagers have been having sex since time began. Abortion has been around just a long.
Do you really believe you can tell a young teenager that having sex is wrong until marriage and they are just going to say, "okay". When you have a curious, hormone raging teenager wondering what is happening to his/her body, they need answers. They need to be educated completly about sex, sexually transmitted diseases, contraception, parenthood, self esteem, etc, etc. Without education we create ingnorance, with ignorance we create young people making bad choices.
In this country a person is considered an adult at 18. They can vote, they can go off to fight wars. They should have been taught everything that is need to make good sexual choices by the time they are 18 years old. The more education, and the more available contraception is made, the less need for abortion. -
Posted By: blue_rylie @ 01/17/2008 4:22:09 PM
I am all for teaching abstinence, I'm just not for teaching abstinence ONLY. Kids have to be told to put their shoes away time and again because kids make irresponsible and bad choices. That is what makes them kids. If we could teach kids, without a doubt, to wait until adulthood for sex then I'd be thrilled. People have been trying to do that for AGES and for AGES it has been failing. I prefer my kids be taught abstinence AND....and about STD's, and about pregnancy, and about contraception, and about every last little thing that goes along with sex. Even if they don't have sex as teens, they will have it sooner or later. When that day comes, I want them fully educated on all possible risks and benefits and outcomes and possibilities. I'm all for abstinence, but the realist tells me not all kids will achieve that goal, nor will all adults.
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Posted By: rs1234 @ 01/17/2008 1:48:20 PM
blue_rylie The difference is the rest of the medical community is trying to preserve life while PP is destroying it. That is a lot of blood money being earned by PP. Also the rest of the medical community tries to educate people to prevent them from needing their services while PP does just the opposite by fighting abstinence programs.
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Posted By: blue_rylie @ 01/17/2008 1:57:51 PM
Interesting, the rest of the medical community is trying to preserve life while PP is destroying it. Okay, let's break this down. PP offers pap smears, breast exams, STD testing and treatment, prental care *gasp* you heard me right, PRENATAL CARE, and the list goes on. They offer information on not only abortion, but adoption and birth. Our local PP doesn't offer abortion, just on a side note. As for the rest of the medical community trying to preserve life, yeah right. A heart surgeon may be preserving life, but a plastic surgeon certainly is not. The doctor that is handing out acne treatment to my daughter I'm pretty sure is NOT doing it to save her life, unless social life counts. Painting the entire medical community as life saving wonders (save for PP of course) is a tad on the ignorant side. As for educating people, if I want to know how to avoid ever needing an abortion I will go to a doctor that will tell me ALL of my options on how to do that. Abstinence only? Hardly a full education. PP, on the other hand, despite it's supposed uncontollable desire to constantly perform abortions, offers contraception and information on prevention. I wonder if they realize they are cutting into their own profits? If they teach prevention, however will they get all those teenage girls to need abortions from them!
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Posted By: rs1234 @ 01/17/2008 2:23:09 PM
Because they know that the other methods don't always work. I notice in your list of things PP provides you did not mention abstinence education. There biggest profit by their own admission is obtained via abortions $55.8 million in profits through abortions alone. Your local PP may not offer abortion but more than likely that is only because they couldn't find a doctor to come to your neighborhood. I am sure they know exactly where to send you if they convince you to have an abortion and they will receive part of the profit. Plastic surgeons and dermatologist may not preserve life but they still adhere to the hypocratic oath. Abortionist cannot make that claim now can they? As far as having an uncontrollable desire to perform abortions I guess it goes hand in hand with its customers that have uncontrollable desires to have sex.
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Posted By: blue_rylie @ 01/17/2008 2:31:15 PM
Have you ever actually been inside a PP? Talked with any of their doctors? They do teach abstinence. They teach VERY clearly that the only way to ensure you do NOT contract an STD or become pregnant is to abstain. They teach that everything else is prevention and has a failure rate. So interesting as your comments are, I doubt they are well informed. PP teaches ALL options, including abstinence. As for everyone's uncontrollable urge to have sex, couple thousand years of biology working against us. People can and do control themselves, but you can drive the speed limit all the time and still get in an accident. Life happens
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Posted By: rs1234 @ 01/17/2008 2:34:19 PM
An accident???? So you are saying you can accidently have sex???? You are a mindless animal aren't you!
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Posted By: dancingdiamonds4 @ 01/17/2008 2:52:44 PM
You know rs1234 is a complete idiot. You might as well not waste your breath on this one. blue_rylie you are so right about PP but people who are narrow minded and bigotted can not hear you. Their mind is all filled up and there isn't enough room for the truth.
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Posted By: rs1234 @ 01/17/2008 3:02:03 PM
"narrow minded and bigotted" That is a laugh. You are the ones that are bigotted against the unborn. You are too narrow-minded to believe that they should have a say in whether they are murdered or not. You leftist are all the same whenever you are losing an argument you always revert to calling people narrowminded and bigotted or facist or nazis to try to elevate yourself.
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Posted By: dancingdiamonds4 @ 01/17/2008 3:14:55 PM
Oh...so now I'm a lefist am I. Hah!! Is that leftist as in Communist ??? Perhaps, I'm not a true blue patriot just like you??? Really, I guess you just don't have an argument that convincing do you?
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Posted By: rs1234 @ 01/17/2008 4:09:42 PM
If you really do not know the difference between meaningful and meaningless sex then I truly feel sorry for you. I thought only animals had to have sex. But I guess some people also have sexual desires that control everything they do. I guess when you are controlled by your genitals instead of your brain, accidents do happen.
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Posted By: dancingdiamonds4 @ 01/17/2008 4:27:56 PM
rs1234 my point was not to try to get you to define meaningful and meaningless but rather to illustrate that it is only your opinion whether sex is meaningful and meaningless. What is meaningfull to one person might not be to another and vise versa. You just can't impose your opinions and your point of view on someone else. We have freedom and privacy rights in this country to protect us from people just like you.
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Posted By: blue_rylie @ 01/17/2008 4:17:03 PM
You claim there is a difference, and you can't define the difference so you deflect your inability to defend your own statement by throwing insults. Cute tactic, but fails. If there's such a clear difference, as YOU asserted, it should be easy for you to define. Again, if your debate is sound, there wouldn't be the need for distraction via insults
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Posted By: ohboyohboy @ 01/17/2008 3:38:39 PM
You are a perfect example of someone who should have been aborted before birth! Sheep have more inteligents then you bend over idiot! Or better yet take it in the behind then you don't have to worry!
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Posted By: dancingdiamonds4 @ 01/17/2008 3:16:39 PM
BTW you still didn't answer my questions about what is your definition of meaningless sex and meaningful sex. I'm very interested to hear your point of view.
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Posted By: blue_rylie @ 01/17/2008 3:44:14 PM
Do you actually read what's posted? Note the reference to driving. As in, you can drive your CAR safely and you can still get in a CAR accident. I was not referring to pregnancy as an accident, but if you'd like to clarify that for you as well I surely can. The condom accidentally broke. The pill was accidentally ineffective. The vasectomy accidentally failed. If you're going to attempt to twist my statements, you're going to have to be a TAD more creative
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Posted By: Ithink4myself @ 01/17/2008 1:25:13 PM
Logical_Thinker : Okay. Let's take another look at alcohol. We decide to drink. Fine. We decide to drive while drunk. We kill someone because we are too impared to drive. Why do you think MADD got started? Someone's bone-headed "free choice decision" to do what they want with their bodies. Drink yourself to death. Okay by me. But when it becomes an issue is that by your choice, some innocent person (maybe
even a child) has lost their life. Should we have no laws against driving drunk? It's your body, right? Wrong. Our bad decisions effect others. Why don't we stop blaiming the government or the so-called religious right, and start putting the blaime where it belongs. On the choices that we make everyday, and the consequences that come with those choices. We need to start taking responsibility for our own lives. Abortion leads to the belief that a child's life has no value. It leads to infanticide, child abuse and worse. How can you promote abortion without realizing that you are promoting the devaluation of children's lives? Children, including the unborn cannot speak for themselves. If abortion on demand is okay, where do you draw the line?-
Posted By: dancingdiamonds4 @ 01/17/2008 2:02:39 PM
So I guess it's alright to devalue women's lives? They of course are not at important as a fetus's life.
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Posted By: rs1234 @ 01/17/2008 4:16:29 PM
I have not read a single statement on this board that suggest we should kill a women. The only devaluation going on here is on the value of the women in the womb who don't have the choice to be born.
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Posted By: Logical_Thinker @ 01/17/2008 4:12:55 PM
How does this have anything to do with what I said? I was talking about the Prohibition in the 1920s not alcohol consumption in general.
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Posted By: Logical_Thinker @ 01/17/2008 1:05:21 PM
First let me say that I am a white male to clear up any confusion before it happens. Having said that, I don???t see how any male can get on here and say, ???Oh abortion is wrong and I would never do it!??? You are just as bad as the racist business owners who say that they would hire a green man if he was the most qualified person. It is my firm belief that due to the natural state of human nature, no human being can say what he or she would do until put into the situation. And last time I checked men can???t have abortions because they can???t get pregnant so why don???t you come down off your high horse? It is really easy to stand there and say you would or would not do something knowing you will never be put to the test.
On the Jesus said it is wrong front, last time I checked Jesus and his Bible have no legal precedence in this country. The Constitution gives you the right to believe that the earth is 6000 years old, that when we die we go to some magical city in the sky to hang out with the almighty himself, that humanity really started with just two people, that a book written by men can qualify itself as creditable, and that we are not good enough as soon as we are born so we need to repent for a piece of fruit that we didn???t eat. However, the Constitution also gives me the right to laugh at you. That is the beauty of this country; your religious beliefs have to stay away from my legal rights. Almost every great civilization throughout history has ended due to turmoil caused by the fusion of church and state.-
Posted By: kenewton @ 01/17/2008 4:01:58 PM
And almost every great civilization in history has fell without fusion of the church and state. What country......without respect of a god......has stood since civilization began? Division is usually the first factor that destroys. Weakness runs a close second. Failure finishes at third. Failure includes many things such as failure to rethink positions. Failure to accept change. Failure to adapt. If anyone has a perfect plan for the human race, I'd like to hear it.
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Posted By: Logical_Thinker @ 01/17/2008 4:14:41 PM
I said the fusion of church and state not God and state . . . God and church are two very very different things in human society.
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Posted By: adamsb @ 01/17/2008 6:32:44 AM
"So, whether the report is good news or bad depends not just on your political views..."
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Posted By: Dave in NM @ 01/17/2008 3:32:20 PM
Probably plenty of twisted ones, but also the rational ones that think children should be wanted. What kind of twisted political view could think that unwanted children are good news?
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Posted By: peace and love @ 01/17/2008 7:06:56 AM
This is wonderful news.
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Posted By: Dave in NM @ 01/17/2008 3:31:21 PM
Amen! It IS good news (but only to the extent that it indicates that fewer unintended pregnancies are occurring - more unwanted children is NEVER good news!).
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Posted By: Robyn_leann @ 01/17/2008 8:13:34 AM
Bush, our king, is against abortion. Bush has a goal, he needs those extra children to fight his religious wars. He killed mored of our children then abortions in the last 6 years. Now that's a leader, almost as good as Hitler.
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Posted By: Badd_Toad @ 01/17/2008 2:18:47 PM
Lol, what a hatefull person you are. Someone should of aborted you, the world would be a better place.
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Posted By: Dave in NM @ 01/17/2008 3:29:55 PM
It's "hateful" to point out the senseless murder of actual, fully developed, thinking humans? You people have the oddest ideas of what "hate" is.
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Posted By: earthtrekker @ 01/17/2008 8:17:26 AM
Didn???t we just hear from Planned Parenthood all about how teen birth rates have swung up for the first time in years? Didn???t we just hear from Planned Parenthood and their kind all about how Abstinence Only pregnancy prevention programs were wholly to blame? And not ONE WORD that lower abortion rates may be a factor. Now, a month later, Planned Parenthood comes out with the ???good news??? that abortion rates are down and they are crediting birth control? But according to Planned Parenthood, Abstinence Only programs are so influential. If the Abstinence Only model is the reason teen birth rates are higher, shouldn???t it also be the reason abortion rates are down?
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Posted By: Dave in NM @ 01/17/2008 3:29:08 PM
No, abstinence-only "education" is resulting in more unwanted pregnancies. Flat-earth fundies restricting access to abortions are resulting in more unwanted children.
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Posted By: ljcapechick @ 01/17/2008 1:26:55 PM
Thank goodness the Constitution gives me the right to laugh right back at Logical Thinker!! Not exactly logical IMO!!
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Posted By: Logical_Thinker @ 01/17/2008 3:27:55 PM
Isn't the Constitution a beautiful thing!!!
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Posted By: blue_rylie @ 01/17/2008 2:11:38 PM
ithink4myself you posted earlier to me about making the choice before I get pregnant. HOLY COW, why didn't I think of that? You've totally changed my perspective! I've been enlightened! Oh, wait...contraception fails. Hmmm, okay, so abstain! My husband will be thrilled! No, no, that's not a good option. Tell me, name for me a single 100% effective form of prevention from pregnancy and I will right now convert to the prolife movement! Thing is, you can't. Of course people should be making the choice before having sex, prevention is ridiculously important, but it doesn't always work. Reality is contraception fails. Tubals fail. Vasectomies fail. There is NOT ONE single 100% affective elective form of contraception on the market. That is reality
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Posted By: rs1234 @ 01/17/2008 2:26:39 PM
ABSTINENCE DUMB A-- 100%
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Posted By: blue_rylie @ 01/17/2008 2:33:30 PM
And again, abstinence fails. Ask me how I know this? My husband was deployed, on a side note he had already had a vasectomy so I had no reason to be on contraception, and I was raped. If the choice to abstain is taken away by force, then abstinence has failed. So I'm STILL waiting for a 100% effective prevention of pregnancy, because abstaining didn't prevent me from getting pregnant.
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Posted By: dancingdiamonds4 @ 01/17/2008 2:44:38 PM
blue_ryle you don't have to justify your choices to these people. There will always be people that want to control what other people can do. Especially the religious. They think they are earning brownie points for when they get to heaven. Too bad for them.
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Posted By: rs1234 @ 01/17/2008 3:03:35 PM
You are defending the ultimate control over another human being when you defend the murder of an innocent baby. Give me a break.
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Posted By: dancingdiamonds4 @ 01/17/2008 3:24:39 PM
Oh please!!! You just can't be taken seriously....it's great though I'm getting a good laugh!!!
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Posted By: blue_rylie @ 01/17/2008 3:22:13 PM
Exceptions? Explain that to me, because it's either a sweet innocent little baby or it's not. So prolifers allowing *exceptions* is hypocritical. And still you assume. You assume that at the time I was raped, the morning after pill was readily accessible, you assume all rape victims seek immediate medical attention, you assume I went to PP for that medical attention. You know what they say about assuming, right?
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Posted By: rs1234 @ 01/17/2008 2:46:33 PM
Rape and incest are the 2 exceptions that most prolife people agree need a solution. Taking away the innocent life of the child conceived via rape is still morally wrong. The child did not commit the act. However the morning after pill seems to be the most likely canidate to handle the rape situation. Or didn't PP explain that to you? When you went after you were raped did they tell you to wait and come back for an abortion? You seem to be contradicting yourself. Do they provide other services or not? If they do it seems they did not provide very sound advice in this case. Maybe you should sue them for malpractice.
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Posted By: dancingdiamonds4 @ 01/17/2008 3:23:12 PM
Okay rs1234 now I've caught you being a hypocrite....If I am to go along with your argument than the morning after pill is killing an innocent child that has been conceived. Are you saying that a woman who has been raped has a choice but other women can't? Are some fetus's more innocent than others? Hmm!!!
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Posted By: Ithink4myself @ 01/17/2008 2:38:49 PM
So birth control can fail. I wonder if that is why your mother gave birth to you. Good thing for you she she was pro-life.
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Posted By: kenewton @ 01/17/2008 11:30:00 AM
Again I ask: what part of "it's my body and I can do what I want" allows for anyone to decide to end another life?? Why are Christians always referred to as right???? Are we usually right? (Christian Right). Further.....Christian right is usually preceded by 'radical'. I have news.......there is nothing radical about Christians stances or beliefs....they have been around for at least 6000 years and was considered to be a way of life in this country until the 1940's.
I was the father of a fetus in the mid 80's. The mother was addicted to prescription meds (unbeknownst to me) and promiscuous. We were financially poor and wound up fighting and hating each other. The child was
aborted. The mother suffered serious mental problems and I felt guilty as hell. In 1996, the mother called and wanted to meet with me. She told me that then that she was addicted to meds, and that she and another guy had not used a condom, and that there is a possibility that the child could have been deformed and possibly not even mine. I have mixed feelings about abortion, that is why I say it is not a choice for a mother to make alone. It should be decided with loved ones. Abortion= removal of accountability for your actions.-
Posted By: tmoney80 @ 01/17/2008 11:48:52 AM
I am sorry to hear about the issues you had with your baby's mother. I will pray for you right now.
I did, however, want to comment on your statement "there is nothing radical about Christians stances or beliefs". I disagree. The teachings of Jesus were considered very radical in His time and they are still considered radical now. But people calling it radical isn't a bad thing. It means that they don't conform to the common ways and ideas of this world. If you read the gospels you will find that Jesus is constantly being challenged by the buracracy and the teachers of the law. If He wasn't teaching anything radical He wouldn't have constantly been under fire by the Pharisees. In John 14:6 Jesus says " I am the way, the truth and the life; no man comes to the Father except through Me." Even though this is the truth, it is a very radical statement in the eyes of the world. You know what I mean? I just wanted to express to you that you should take offense to people calling Christians radical. It should be something you are proud of as a Christian because it means you are conforming to Jesus and not to this world. Peace.-
Posted By: kenewton @ 01/17/2008 2:59:26 PM
I did not say that Jesus was not considered a radical.......I said that Christians are not radical anymore. It's not a new thought. A non conforming thought. Christianity is a solid way of life. As the Bible teaches....I have put pride aside (or try to), so I am not proud to be called a radical and I am not offended. I do not consider myself a radical, only a follower of truth.
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Posted By: Ithink4myself @ 01/17/2008 1:56:16 PM
jReally, mrsavizdrav? When we promote abortion, we promote the devaluation of children. We teach society that children are easily disposable! We can get rid of them by any means, aborting them before birth, dumping them in toilets and dumpsters after birth, abusing them as infants and toddlers. Why not admit the facts? If we condone the killing of the unborn, we perpetuate the idea that children have no value. And then the elderly. We can kill or abuse them at whim, because pro abortionists beleive that no life is sacred. Except the pig, chicken, cow or fish. Even the rainforests deserve more protection than the unborn.
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Posted By: mrsavizdrav @ 01/17/2008 2:25:09 PM
I never said abortion is OK and I would never do that myself. But if abortion is outlawed that will only make more criminals: different "butchers" performing abortions, parents who molest and neglect their unwanted children, and many of those children will end up criminals too.
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Posted By: Ithink4myself @ 01/17/2008 2:56:08 PM
mrsavizdrav; And you think legal abortion protects children from being sexually molested and/or abused? I personally believe that it comes down to how we view children. As commodities. A disposable section of society that has no voice. Go look on your local sex predator website. See how many you have living in your neighborhood. Abortion on demand only re-enforces in some people's mind that children don't count. I don't see how we can fight against child pornographers, rapist and those others who wish to do them harm, all the while aborting them by the millions before their lives even begin.
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Posted By: nhinhi @ 01/17/2008 11:39:18 AM
what i hate most men have a opinion on this subject. they have nothing to do with this topic. it is not their body or emotion.
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Posted By: Dave in NM @ 01/17/2008 2:51:09 PM
I would agree if you said the problem was men trying to impose their opinions on women, but men "having" opinions? How is it wrong for me to HAVE an opinion about the world in which my daughter grows up, what she's taught in school, what men can get away with in their treatment of her, and what her options may be if she ends up in a bad situation? I shouldn't be able to impose my opinion on her, but if I raise her right, she'll come to me for my opinion, and I have no patience for people telling me she has no right to it, or that I have no right to have it.
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Posted By: NCPOMP @ 01/17/2008 12:14:03 PM
BUT IT IS THEIR CHILD! MY CHILDREN ARE AS MUCH MINE AS MY WIFES!
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Posted By: telicity @ 01/17/2008 11:51:55 AM
So men should not have any emotional attachment to the child growing in a womans tummy?
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Posted By: regretit @ 01/17/2008 11:39:25 AM
Praise God! Thank you, forgive me for mine. Thank you that Your blood washes me clean and heals my mind and my body!!!
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Posted By: kenewton @ 01/17/2008 2:33:33 PM
Well said. This is why Christians have a hard time convincing people that we actually think instead of using the Bible and the 'Laws' and 'traditions' to win arguements. God gave us minds and free wills. We can no longer shove our beliefs down the throats of people.
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Posted By: ferrynheart @ 01/17/2008 11:35:12 AM
I believe abortion is murder, plain and simple. Aside from that, I also challenge the prevailing argument that abortion is OK because "women have the right to make choices concerning their body". Who are they kidding? We don't even legally have the right to put our bodies at risk by choosing not to wear a seat belt! We don't have the right to kill our bodies if we are suffering. The premise that we legally own our bodies and can do what we want with them is a lie. It is nothing more than an excuse to legally commit murder.
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Posted By: littlevoice9 @ 01/17/2008 11:53:39 AM
I can't "sympathize" with you on your thoughts of abortion, because you clearly have no defense. We do have rights as individuals to make choices concerning our bodies. It's our freedom, our choice. Seat belts prevent accidents, and may actually cause deaths in certain situations. If someone is suffering at the hospital and doesn't want to live, they have a right to deside. It's by the power of the people, and as an individual, I have a right to do whatever I want that does not harm someone outside my own body. What I do with my body and my belongings is an individual choice. Your judgments send rapists to jail.... should a rape victim be held accountable for someone else's actions and be forced to have a child???? Absolutely not....and that should be the victim's choice...or anyone's choice for that matter.
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Posted By: kenewton @ 01/17/2008 2:29:20 PM
What you do with your body is your choice. Mutilate it all you want. Have sex anytime you want. If you are raped and get impregnated.......that should be a choice, I agree. If you are out there having sex as you want because it brings you pleasure, then no, I cannot and will not ever agree with abortion for that. Every one is accountable and if you do not want a child then please do everything you can to prevent a pregnancy.
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Posted By: bigbrotherrequiresregistrations @ 01/17/2008 11:32:21 AM
They miss the obvious reason: Demographic changes. Hispanics are against abortion and they have no qualms about have multiple babies out of wedlock. The Hispanic population has boomed while others have remained constant or fallen, and this has skewed the statistics. Almost every problem in our current society can be traced to illegal immigration.
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Posted By: Squiggy2410 @ 01/17/2008 11:44:09 AM
What a racist and overly simplistic answer to our current problems. If you blame job loss on Hispanics, why don't you take a look at how many greedy corporations are sending jobs overseas to China and India? How bout gas prices? They're high because overall world demand is high and the oil companies are manipulating the market to maximize profit. Look at Bush's crazy runaway spending. Is inflation the fault of Hispanics too? It's more the Fed's fault. They keep printing money so they can continue high interest rates, which lowers the value of the dollar. Take economics and see for yourself. Go to the KKK or Aryan Nation to post your racist comments. This isn't the place for'em.
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Posted By: kenewton @ 01/17/2008 2:21:55 PM
A question for you: Ever ask yourself why the 'greedy corporations' move overseas? I think it's because of the 'greedy laborers' and the 'greedy' everything else that keep cutting into the profits of the corporations. It really is the theory behind CAPITALISM. We are not a communist or socialist country, although the unions and liberals think so. I love what's happening to the makers of Vytorin right now. Buy Zecor.....it's the right thing to do. Why do Japanese automakers come here to build cars? Because it's less expensive than freight and tarriffs, thus producing more CAPITAL which in turn breaks down into profits. When a company has to pay workers 18 to 30 per hour for labor, spend billions to apease the environmentalists, billions in income taxes, and more......why not move to a region with no environmental laws, low taxes, and 3 to 6 an hour for labor. Think insurance. Same concept. If an insured has a claim, the insurance company usually looks for every possible way to keep from paying the claim. Manufacturers work the same way. Can't really blame them.
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Posted By: mtthw @ 01/17/2008 12:29:15 PM
To all you nurses out there and healthcare (PROFESSIONALS??) out there that are not smart enough to use birth control or can not keep there legs closed and seems to think its ok to kill just because it may be an inconvenience to your sorry lives, please point yourselves out if any of my family or myself have to be cared for by you dumb asses. Lets take some responsibility for our actions!!!
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Posted By: dancingdiamonds4 @ 01/17/2008 12:40:03 PM
So you think it's a woman's responsiblility to "keep her legs closed"......I submit to you rather that it's a man's responsbility to keep it in his pants. Get off your holyer than thou attitude and come back down to earth. It's really not any of your business or any of my business what another individual with his or her body. It's called privacy and freedom of choice. Why don't you be concerned about yourself and your family and keep you nose out of other people's business. Oh and by the way.....your comment indicates to me that yours is a pretty sorry life indeed.
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Posted By: vince.stewart @ 01/17/2008 1:08:53 PM
Well...actually the responsibiliity rests on both parties.
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Posted By: dancingdiamonds4 @ 01/17/2008 2:15:13 PM
Vince I agree with you but somehow it always comes down to the comment "women should keep their legs closed:" Well if woment keep their legs closed who are men to have sex with????
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Posted By: ladybug101 @ 01/17/2008 12:46:33 PM
And with this comment.....you just made the face of those who are pro-life seem as idiotic as your statement....We are not.....Shalom
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Posted By: ladybug101 @ 01/17/2008 12:44:44 PM
And with this comment.....you just made the face of those who are pro-life seem as idiotic as your statement....We are not.....Shalom
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Posted By: telicity @ 01/17/2008 11:26:05 AM
Abortion is not just a Christian way of life, it should be human instinct to not kill your child! Like I said earlier once you made the CHOICE to get pregnant you no longer have the luxury of being selfish.
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Posted By: sweetivory @ 01/17/2008 12:17:08 PM
what if you didn't make the "choice to get pregnant? what if you were raped? or the condom broke and you're not financially ready to bring a child into this world? I agree, if you don't use protection, abortion is no birth control, but in cases where a woman is not ready to become a mother, she shoulsn't have to be. I support having an option.
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Posted By: telicity @ 01/17/2008 2:15:04 PM
I would not pass judgment on someone raped, nothing is black and white, there is always shades of gray. For me personally I would still keep the baby. I know plenty of people who got pregnant and were no where near financially able to bring a baby in this world including myself when my husband lost his job while I was pregnant. People do it all the time, and are stronger people for doing it. America offers too much help to use that as an excuse.
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Posted By: Badd_Toad @ 01/17/2008 2:12:33 PM
What ever the reason for this decline I think it is a good thing. Being a male I don't think I have the right to force my opinion on such a personal matter on women. But I know 2 women who have had an abortion and for both it is their biggest regret in life. As for the comment by Ithinkmyself, what a hypocrite! People either believe God exists or not. It is the latter that are forcing their lack of belief on the rest of us by trying to eliminate any and every reference to God in this country. If you are unable to see the truth that is you're loss but just what is it that you find so offensive? I have never ever heard anyone seriously try to make any form of worship mandatory in this country. Billions of people have found great comfort and hope in their belief, why do people like yourself find that so horrible? Lose some of the hatred in your heart and you just might see what is so obvious to the rest of us.
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Posted By: telicity @ 01/17/2008 12:55:42 PM
Hey I grew up on banquet Salisbury steak, fish sticks, and McDonlads I turned out ok:)
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Posted By: Have a nice day. @ 01/17/2008 1:19:11 PM
You only think you are ok. Sometimes the effects of fast food are almost invisible until later in life. Fortunately for you there are now some great treatments available for dyslexia. Until you can seek treatment, avoid the "McDonlads." : )
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Posted By: telicity @ 01/17/2008 1:50:09 PM
Sorry typing with one hand, baby in the other I have no seeing problems.
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Posted By: Have a nice day. @ 01/17/2008 2:10:00 PM
You're alright, telicity! It's just nice to have someone with a sense of humor to spar with. Hopefully you were holding the baby in your dominant hand, and typed with your other hand causing the typo. Peace out, and hey..... have a nice day.
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Posted By: telicity @ 01/17/2008 1:53:46 PM
I see your diet has made your ass smarter! :)
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