All the talk in the word won't change the minds of pro choice liberals. Just vote republican next election and hope that one of the liberal supreme court justices steps down in the next four years. Then they will be replaced by a conservative judge and the abortion law will be overturned.
Better Prevention or Changing Attitudes?
-
Posted By: ibechuck97 @ 01/17/2008 11:34:14 AM
-
Posted By: Dave in NM @ 01/17/2008 12:34:20 PM
Goody. If that happens, we can welcome back the era of the coathanger abortion, when those sinful hussies who get unintentionally pregnant will finally have the retribution they deserve. That, after all, is the role of mankind in your cosmology, is it not? Enforcer of morality, punisher of immorality, judge, jury and executioner? Oh - wait - isn't that your god's role?
-
-
Posted By: mkarnuk@hotmail.com @ 01/17/2008 12:33:31 PM
To FeddieChick: Check out Jeremiah 1:5; Isaiah 44:24; 49:1 and 5; 43:7.
-
Posted By: ILoveLife @ 01/17/2008 11:39:46 AM
The issue is whether an unborn child is a life. If it is, there is absolutely no moral or legal justification for ending that life. Can we say that an unborn child is not a life because of its size? Certainly not. Larger people are not any more of a life than smaller people. Can we say that an unborn child is not a life because of the state of its physical or intellectual development? Definitely not. Geniuses are not any more or less of a life than children or individuals with mental handicaps. Can we say that an unborn child is not a life because of where it is located? Absolutely not. If I put you in a closet and I can't directly see you, it does not change the fact that you are still a life. Can we say that your are not a life if you are completely dependent on your mother for your ability to live? No. A one month old child is certainly a life and yet reliant on his or her mother for continued survival. It is abundantly clear that an unborn chld is a life. Life is a miracle and women are so incredibly lucky to be a vessel for completion of that miracle. My sincere hope is that the decrease in abortions is due to the ability of women to realize all of this.
-
Posted By: Dave in NM @ 01/17/2008 12:31:53 PM
Whether a fetus is a "life" is a matter of opinion, based on how you CHOOSE to define "life." My sincere hope is that the number of abortions continues to decline, due to the availability of birth control and REAL sex education.
-
-
Posted By: Americanmutt @ 01/17/2008 11:46:33 AM
How about Prayer? Prayer is the power behind all good things that happen.
-
Posted By: Dave in NM @ 01/17/2008 12:26:42 PM
That statement is just too ludicrous to justify a detailed response. I will just say that, speaking from experience, the best thing I know of in the world is my children, and they are NOT the result of "prayer." They're the result of careful family planning, a concept the religious seem not to grasp.
-
-
Posted By: Tracker500 @ 01/17/2008 11:48:32 AM
"Bible--- buy-bull..... eerily similar, to me! ...... I'm too smart for that crap."
I am an atheist, so the Bible means nothing to me either. You may not be as smart as you think you are. I think you are a legend in your own mind. Albert Einstein and some of the brightest minds in history believed there is a God. You can only dream you can ever be as smart as these people. My advice to you is if you don't believe in God, don't knock others who do.-
Posted By: Dave in NM @ 01/17/2008 12:25:11 PM
As an atheist, I will give the viewpoints of the religious every bit as much respect as they give mine. More, in virtually every case. My only concern is that they follow their worldview, and allow everyone else to follow theirs.
-
-
Posted By: csvhcole@hotmail.com @ 01/17/2008 12:22:27 PM
I find it simply short-sided that you don't even talk to Pro-Life groups. You only give a part of the story that you choose us to read. You think we don't know that Pro-life education should be given equal time and newsworthy reporting. When will the press realize we don't base our news on your opinion!
csvhcole@hotmail.com
-
Posted By: Lucy's Friend @ 01/17/2008 11:33:32 AM
Amazing....absolutely amazing. I am pro-choice, but I could never have terminated my child (very unexpected, but very much loved and wanted!). I am not generalizing here, but you Bible-thumpers seem to have forgotten something (or choose not to believe it). Do you really believe that we humans can actually prevent a soul from coming to this earth that God has sent? Get over yourself........if God wants this soul to be here, it will be here. I believe He puts us through these trials for a reason. The reason is between us and God......and no, I do not believe in partial birth abortions either. But like I said, this soul will come to this world if God so says. And what of those women who have "men" in their lives who "own" them? "This is MY woman and I can do what I want with her!" Amazing how the male factor has been left out. And yes, Dubya's grade were purchased by Daddy Bush. I get my facts from the same place you do, just because you choose to not believe it....your problem.
-
Posted By: luciefreddie @ 01/17/2008 12:19:55 PM
I find it quite odd that you combine a negative connotation for "Bible thumpers" and obviously have a belief in God. What is odd about the combination is that you obviously believe that God decides on which life makes it (for lack of better terminology). This idea does not line up is scripture though. God is the creator of life; however, God also gave us free will. He gave us the opportunity to do what we want even if it contradicts what He desires for us. There is, however, a penalty for not doing what God wants us to do (sin). That penalty is death. For some, that comes very soon; for some, much later in life. I don't really think that this is the right venue for sharing the truth of the gospel, so I will just say this: Before you make comments referring to the God of the Bible, please have an understanding of the truth in the Word, which He divinely inspired. I have a feeling that professing Christians (I personally think that there are many professing Christians that are not children of God if you look at them in the mirror of the Bible) are the reason for so much hatred, bitterness, anger from non-Christians and ultimately may be the reason for a lot of people spending an eternity in hell.
-
Posted By: Ithink4myself @ 01/17/2008 11:59:07 AM
Where do you get your facts from? CNN? MSNBC and the other Bush-Hating so-called news stations? Get real! You are being brainwashed and you don't even realize it! I doubt you get your "facts" from the same place I do.
-
-
Posted By: motherterra @ 01/17/2008 12:19:23 PM
It is your child, because you have claimed that child, and coparented that child. If you were not there, must the woman give up her right to claim her child?
-
Posted By: plentee @ 01/17/2008 12:18:14 PM
Abortion is killing. If you dont want to get pregnent then for heavens sakes buy a condom, get on the pill or something. Better yet dont have sex. Abortion is not the answer, there are millions of people in the world who can not have children, give the baby up for adoption. Let it live, your mother chose to have you.
-
Posted By: Tracker500 @ 01/17/2008 12:17:33 PM
Cecile, the nurse's words were "poof......it's gone". How sick is that coming from a healthcare professional?
-
Posted By: motherterra @ 01/17/2008 12:12:52 PM
No woman should ever be pressured to have an abortion. And, no woman should ever be pressured to carry a pregnancy to term. Unfortunately, women are pressured all the time, both ways. The right to choice means the right to choice. This is my body, and my life, and I decide. If I love and want my baby, I should be able to have that baby, even without the "legitimacy" of a man or in the absence of work culture that wants to punish me. Women are attacked either way they go, but you can be sure, an unwed pregnancy is one sure fire way to attract punishment. It's not right. Women should be able to choose to have their children outside of marriage, if they choose. This is better for everyone, including men. Men, would you rather have someone marry you for your sperm and your oney, or for love?
-
Posted By: ljcapechick @ 01/17/2008 12:12:40 PM
As for the reason the abortion rate has dropped, I'm surprised no one has mentioned that the stigma of single parenting, unplanned pregnancy, and out-of-wedlock birth has done a virtual 180 in the recent past. It's hard to turn on the TV or check out of the grocery store without seeing some glamourous celeb discovering she's expecting. Unplanned pregnancy is far from the shameful secret that having a "b*st*rd" child was when I was born to my brave unwed mom.
A lot of the article talks about access to abortion for the poor and for teenagers. Our vast entitlement system may not put young moms on easy street, but it sure does make parenting an easier option than it used to be. If you're a teenager with a poor education and few job prospects and you're weighing the choice of working two minimum wage jobs to support yourself as an independent young woman or going and having a baby so you can get free housing, health care, and food stamps while your "baby daddy" buys the smokes, why in the world would the subject of abortion even come up??
-
Posted By: walkthoughter @ 01/17/2008 11:20:29 AM
I think it is interesting that abortion rates are down and unwed teen pregnancy rates are up. This shows me that birth control is not being used, and pregnancy is not being prevented. It also shows that abstinence only programs are not working. Lack of access to good birth control information and abortion services seem behind both these statistics which I do not interpret as a positive change in attitude. We still have children having children without the emotional maturity or financial means to raise healthy, happy babies. Our society will feel the consequences.
-
Posted By: rs1234 @ 01/17/2008 12:12:18 PM
Abstinence does work. The programs that dont work are the ones that are taught as 1 of many alternatives. Every person who has practiced strict abstinence is another person who has helped decrease the abortion rate. I am sure that is not the only reason for the decline but it is one of several factors that the left will deny to the end.
-
-
Posted By: danachoice @ 01/17/2008 11:51:12 AM
To the woman who chose to adopt a babies after years of infertility. I am sorry for your heartache. But did you ever consider adopting an older child? There are hundreds of thousands of children who suffer neglect and abuse every year. They come into this world needing love, nutirition and basic child rearing. They do not recieve this kind of care. Did you ever think to make a difference in the life of a child who is already here? Hearing about the pain of infertility pales in comparison to that of a child who suffers from neglect and abuse whether physical, emotional or sexual. So everyone wants a baby with a clean slate. Don't forget about children who are in pain every day!
-
Posted By: longforabingdon @ 01/17/2008 12:11:07 PM
You are absolutely right, the "pain" of infertility is in no way compareable to the older children who wait for a family. I regret to say that no, we would not consider fostering or adopting an older child. When going through the adoption process, the councilors ask couples to be very, very honest about what they can handle. They don't want to place a child with a couple who, deep down, were wishing for something else. We had to really think it through and let them know what we honestly wanted. There are those who seek an older child specifically, but those people are rare, and posess qualities that we just don't have. I guess it's like abortion, it's a matter of choice.
-
Posted By: telicity @ 01/17/2008 12:02:48 PM
Sometimes we can't save everyone, I wish we could. She could have adopted an older child, but that still leaves the baby behind. At least that is one less child in the system. Besides I know some who have been in an orphanage their whole life, and are still exemplary people . Perhaps even better than most people I know.
-
-
Posted By: Cecile @ 01/17/2008 12:10:27 PM
All of you who condone abortion, makes me ashamed of our human race. These are in fact innocent, precious babies, who have not been given a chance in life. Have you not read how they try to escape the tool that is coming after them and butcher them.
I can't imagine a nurse, "saying that she has children that she loves them very much, but if she ever got pregnant again, I can't remember her exact wor;ds, but indicated she would not hesitate to exercise her own choice.
I'm sure I'll not heal anyone's mentality, only God can do this. He sure healed mine.
-
Posted By: GeorgiaJayhawk @ 01/17/2008 12:10:09 PM
sorry about the double post....
-
Posted By: IREADNEWS @ 01/17/2008 11:19:23 AM
If a woman does not want to become pregnant, there are many and plenty of options for her. Unwanted pregnancies are inexcusable! At least, in my opinion. I would not personally have an abortion, I think it should be used only when medically needed. I.E the life of the mother, baby or both are in danger, or the baby to will be born not being able to have a quality life. Abortion is not a method of birth control, its actually a cruel process. And just so you know, when you have an abortion thinking it's "your body" are you the one dying? I didn't think so. So stop being ignorant out there!! There are probably more forms of birth control than there are cold medicines. Planned parenthood offers its services free, to those women of low income and teenage girls....I used it!
-
Posted By: Natalie410 @ 01/17/2008 11:40:09 AM
what's the difference between ending a life and preventing it? The end is the same....no woman should get their period or spit out an egg and no sperm shall go down the drain because they all were lives that you KILLED by jerking off....get real....birth control is not 100% effective and i'd rather have someone pay for an abortion than spend my taxes bouncing that child from foster home to foster home.. It's not a beating heart, it's a pulsing group of cells...i have a child and would probably never get an abortion...but you don't know everybody's circumstances so you are not in a position to judge...if you believe in HIM leave it to HIM and stay out of way. Walk your own high way but don't preach to others...god's animals eat their own young all the time
-
Posted By: rs1234 @ 01/17/2008 12:08:53 PM
An egg or sperm cannot grow on their own moron so they are not the same as a fetus. But you are right we should leave it to HIM so when you child is raped and murdered let's just let the sick murderer free to roam the streets until HE takes care of it. After all we are all just animals right?
-
-
-
Posted By: regretit @ 01/17/2008 11:31:03 AM
I have had an abortion. It is the most traumatic thing I have ever gone through. It is horrific. Women keep silent about it because they are ashamed. They really don't want to tell those who are thinking about it not to do it because of the same. It was not only tramatic to my body, but I have never fully gotten over it. I did it when I was 18 and as a result almost have not been able to have chlidren later. I regret it. Don't do it...it messes with your body and your mind forever.
-
Posted By: cmf1977 @ 01/17/2008 12:06:24 PM
I had an abortion as well. It wasn't a decision I just woke up one morning and made. I was a pregnant teen who didnt have information on birth control. My mom didnt even talk to me about my period. I was tramatized by an unplanned pregnancy. I am glad I did. I regret putting myself in the position that I needed to. i STAND BY DECISON
-
Posted By: telicity @ 01/17/2008 11:36:46 AM
Thank you for your brave comment.
-
-
Posted By: GeorgiaJayhawk @ 01/17/2008 12:05:47 PM
In response to this post:
Posted By: lconcepcion @ 01/17/2008 11:26:35 AM
Comment: To each and every person -myself included- who has ever supported, performed, participated, or helped in any way with the mass killing (1out of every 3 children since 1961) of children through the means of abortion of ANY kind through the use of devices such as IUD, to taking abortion pills, to actually surgical procedures: you are an assassin, a killer, just like a downtown gangster. Please don't lie to yourself. Christ will forgive you.
Hey, lconcepcion , get your facts straight....the IUD doesn't kill babies, it prevents pregnancies from ever happening. IUD's come in two varieties in the US. One time releases hormone into a women's system (Mirena) and prevents pregnancy much the same way that the pill does, and the other (ParaGuard) has copper on it, and the copper has spermicidal properties. Either the hormone or copper, combined with the actual device, which is thought to prevent implantation, prevents a women from ever getting pregnant, so don't go calling someone a murderer for being smart enough to take preventative measures. As far as why there is a decrease, it is probably a combination of all the factors, limited access to abortion services, better access to preventative measures (birth control, morning after pill). That being said, at the end of the day, even the most careful of us can end up in this predicament. Birth control fails, even with vasectomies and tubal ligations folks still get surprises, it's not because they were irresponsible. It's good to know that I have options, even if I may never use them. Who are you to condemn someone else for the very personal choices they make?
-
Posted By: mlajoie2 @ 01/17/2008 12:01:50 PM
Lamullen
Self-defense is "necessary". Repelling a foreign invasion is "necessary". Killing innocent children is not "necessary" in any way near the same sense. Rape is "reality"; murder is a "reality". Does that mean our laws shouldn't condemn these heinous actions since they are "realities"? And by the way, war and killing are always evil even if necessary - there is such a thing as evil...
Report Abuse
Enter comments if any for reporting abuse
- Black Friday should unleash pent-up demand. Analyst Bill DreherNYT
- The task is to restore our conservative bona fides James Bopp Jr. on a 10-pt GOP checklist NYT
- Twenty five years feels right in my bones and right in my spirit. Oprah on ending her showCST
- It’s going to be a holy war Orrin Hatch on debate over the Senate health billNYT
- The nation and the world will see him for the coward he is Holder, on trying KSMAP
Discuss