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  • Posted By: longforabingdon @ 01/17/2008 11:37:45 AM

    My husband and I have two incredible children thanks to adoption. Sometimes I imagine either one of their birthmothers having aborted my son or daughter. It chills me to the core. I was not able to have children grow within my own body and worked with doctors for 71/2 years before admitting defeat. We were on a waiting list for 5 years before our son's birthmother chose us, and we waited nearly 6 years for our daughter. The heartache of infertility pales when compared to the heartache of a woman choosing to place her child with parents who receive the child with unimaginable joy. I could never have the courage that my children's birthmothers had, and I tell them that every time we correspond with them. They, in turn, tell us constantly how glad they are that they chose us, and what a relief it is to know their birthchild is safe and thriving. My children know how loved they were by birthmothers who chose to give their babies so that the children would have what they were unable to give. Maybe our imaginations are wearing thin in this day, but can you try to imagine what it is like to learn every month for 7 1/2 years that you are not pregnant, again. Try to imagine the grief of a couple who yearn for a baby, yet know that millions of unborn children over the years have just been snuffed out. I, too, must imagine the grief that comes with the decision the abort. The sadness of sitting in a waiting room, just wanting to get it over with so life can begin again for them. I am so, so sorry for all those who've had to make that choice. There is a lot of pain in the world, and we just can't get away from it, can we?

    • Posted By: Natalie410 @ 01/17/2008 11:42:32 AM

      Foster homes are full. Let's take care of those children first and then try to prevent abortions. Why is it that parents only want to adopt babies? 12 year olds are people too.

  • Posted By: lamullen @ 01/17/2008 11:27:49 AM

    Sedona, I have two children whom I love very much. I've had plenty of ultrasounds. I'm not uneducated- I'm a nurse. I don't want anymore kids. I practice birth control, but if it fails, I am glad to know I have a CHOICE in the matter..

    Yes, it has a beating heart. It's still leeching off my body, and if I don't want it there, poof- it's gone.

    • Posted By: mtthw @ 01/17/2008 11:42:02 AM

      Lamullen you have some SERIOUS issues not sure who screwed you up so bad growing up (DADDY?)but you may want to get some professional help for your selfish arrogence. By the way your not that smart:)

    • Posted By: telicity @ 01/17/2008 11:33:23 AM

      You can have your opinions, but please don't refer as a baby as poof it is gone!

  • Posted By: Tracker500 @ 01/17/2008 11:34:31 AM

    "And for you that said that Planned Parenthood is a BIG BUSINESS, look at many evangelical churches. They are nothing but!!!!!!! I don't buy-bull- I'm too smart for that crap."

    lamullen,
    I agree with you on both counts. So, what is it that you don't buy into?

    • Posted By: Ithink4myself @ 01/17/2008 11:41:52 AM

      Maybe you should try stepping into a church, and you can judge for yourself where the money goes. Gee, Operation Smile, mission trips to help Katrina victims rebuild their lives, angel trees to bring Christmas gifts to children who would otherwise have nothing, Crisis Pregnancy to help women who choose life and want to keep their children with layette sets, parenting skills, etc. Again, stop buying into the anti-Christian sentiment of the liberal left. They do not want you to know any of those things. You have obviously not made an effort to "decide for yourself"

  • Posted By: In God We Trust @ 01/17/2008 11:41:29 AM

    The article asked for opinions as to why the abortion rate has dropped. Most of the views I have read reference feelings as to whether prolife or prochoice should be practiced. Let me attempt a direct answer to the question to which the magazine posed. One of the many good things Pope John Paul did during his Papacy was to communicate to the World's young people. Keep in mind that I am addressing the same period of time for which the article begs the question; Circa 1980 until his death in 2005. His message was clear on abortion: Abortion is wrong without qualification. I believe he communicated the message to the young women and the young men of the World. I would say he did this better than any other leader of the modern World over the past 30 years. He communicated. They received the message. They are practicing the message.

  • Posted By: mlajoie2 @ 01/17/2008 11:37:18 AM

    lamullen,
    To say Ru486 is "simple" is grossly misleading. The way it's administered has been shown to result in as much if not more Post-Traumatic Stress Syndrome as "traditional" abortion. I think it's the action itself not the ancillary methods that is probably at the heart of this phenomenon (which is statistically, undeniably true by the way.) Religion totally aside, speaking in natural law terms, how can something so diametrically opposed to instinct (maternal bonding in Psychology, once again is a matter of statistical fact) NOT be so traumatic? Perhaps millions of scarred lives might be part of the explanation for the drop. Despite being so secretive as the abortion industry is (the largest unregulated one), you just can't hide such a massive phenomenon...word gets around.

  • Posted By: Journeyman @ 01/17/2008 11:36:43 AM

    The real point in all of this is that abortion is barbaric, no matter how you view the fetus/baby. You are ripping it apart, burning it or sticking a tool into the skull to extract it! Can anyone out there really say this is logical and o.k.?

  • Posted By: lamullen @ 01/17/2008 11:36:31 AM

    tracker- Bible-------- buy-bull............ eerily similar, to me!

  • Posted By: mlajoie2 @ 01/17/2008 11:35:56 AM

    lamullen,
    To say Ru486 is "simple" is grossly misleading. The way it's administered has been shown to result in as much if not more Post-Traumatic Stress Syndrome as "traditional" abortion. I think it's the action itself not the ancillary methods that is probably at the heart of this phenomenon (which is statistically, undeniably true by the way.) Religion totally aside, speaking in natural law terms, how can something so diametrically opposed to instinct (maternal bonding in Psychology, once again is a matter of statistical fact) NOT be so traumatic? Perhaps millions of scarred lives might be part of the explanation for the drop. Despite being so secretive as the abortion industry is (the largest unregulated one), you just can't hide such a massive phenomenon...word gets around.

  • Posted By: Ambylee @ 01/17/2008 11:34:56 AM

    " Yes, abortions are down, but it's unclear why. Is it because of increased access to birth control? Decreased access to abortion clinics? Increased availability of new medications that end pregnancy? Or are more women simply choosing to continue their pregnancies?"

    The above sentences are quoted from the article. They list "increased availability of new medications that end pregnancy" as one of the possible reasons for the decline in abortions. Excuse me, but since when is a medication that ends pregnancy DIFFERENT than abortion? Aren't those the same thing? Add those to your numbers people and see how little abortions have actually declined.. Just because it's an easier way to abort and end a pregnancy DOES NOT disqualify it as a LIFE ENDING ABORTION, Get a clue. A LIFE IS A LIFE. Whether ended by a pill right away, or later on in a doctor's office somewhere.

  • Posted By: bigbrotherrequiresregistrations @ 01/17/2008 11:34:04 AM

    For evidence of the changed attitudes, simply look at the disparate percentage pro-life comments here.

  • Posted By: MsLurkins @ 01/17/2008 11:32:38 AM

    Undoubtedly this study proves significant in that it highlights the importance of researching issues related to women???s health and serves as a tool to better gauge the work we have ahead of us. If researchers conclude the drop in the abortion rate is due to better access to birth control we should consider that a victory for humankind and a valuable lesson that prevention works. If, on the other hand, the drop is due to lack of provider access this should serve as a warning to all that half of the population is suffering an unjust hardship that must be overcome.

  • Posted By: MsLurkins @ 01/17/2008 11:32:19 AM

    Undoubtedly this study proves significant in that it highlights the importance of researching issues related to women???s health and serves as a tool to better gauge the work we have ahead of us. If researchers conclude the drop in the abortion rate is due to better access to birth control we should consider that a victory for humankind and a valuable lesson that prevention works. If, on the other hand, the drop is due to lack of provider access this should serve as a warning to all that half of the population is suffering an unjust hardship that must be overcome.

  • Posted By: Kinch @ 01/17/2008 11:31:28 AM

    What many people don't know if the PP found was a racist. She encouraged people who weren't white to get abortions so "there wouldn't be more of them." There are many books and college studies about this(for for those, these sources aren't mostly from religious people or colleges.). I wonder what would happen if more people thinking about abortions knew this... the founder hated your race so wanted you not to reproduce, and decided to help you with that. I also find it sad that many pro-choice peope don't think of a baby as a baby inside thwomb. Killing a baby inside the womb would be like same as killing a newborn... is that right?

  • Posted By: tontabillies @ 01/17/2008 10:39:44 AM

    I'm surprised that a lot of these comments mention "god". I think that it is quite scary that the radical Chrisitan Right is trying to force their beliefs on the rest of us. Who made them the moral police? Just because their god says abortion is wrong, does not mean that the rest of us have to listen and conform. And, to the person who wrote that adoption pamphlets are not available in abortion clinics: they are. And, they make you hold them (or read them) for at least 10 minutes before going to see the doctor. I know because I had a abortion. And, proud military wife, most women that have abortions, myself included, do not have feelings of emptyness, sadness, or regret. I'm sorry that your mother did, but, her experience is not similar to the majority's. And, no, insurance does not cover abortion. Maybe that's the reason that the rate of abortions have gone down. Maybe it's just too damn expensive for the people that need it the most. And Tracker500, we all already know that Planned Parenthood began as a eugenics program, but the program and its mission has drastically changed since its beginning. Pro-choice is not about a zero population growth or the enviroment. It about women's rights to make safe desicions about their own bodies! And what can be wrong with that?

    • Posted By: numuvs @ 01/17/2008 11:29:03 AM

      "the radical Chrisitan Right is trying to force their beliefs on the rest of us" No one is forcing God on you, we cannot, He chooses you. Morality is not vague, you either do the right thing or you don't, Telling someone not to lie is a good thing, or not to steal is a good thing. Do not cheat on your spouse is a good thing, Do not murder is a good thing. To God, those things are offensive, who want to be around that type of person anyway. Moral law, when you willfully lie to a Judge = jail, when you willfully commit murder = jail. When you steal = jail. Morality!

      Same with the womans right to choice, you should apologize to Heidi Fleis, she was choosing to sell her body for money. The Bunny Ranch is legal and doing well, Why is that illegal in 49 states and abortion legal if women really had a choice? The Government is pushing morality on you.

      If women were allowed to sell sex legally, the pregnancy rate would drop below 10% within weeks. TV, Magazine, Internet have made a ton of money on women selling their bodies, we are not reaching very far to say to the girl in 5th grade when you hand them condoms in school, make them pay you $100.00 minimum. Do not give it away for free, they will pay for it. Abortion rate goes down, teenage pregnancy goes down, STD's go down, and freedom of choice is now accomplished.

      Morality will increase!

    • Posted By: posrip @ 01/17/2008 10:59:18 AM

      comment: "And, proud military wife, most women that have abortions, myself included, do not have feelings of emptyness, sadness, or regret. I'm sorry that your mother did, but, her experience is not similar to the majority's." You don't see a problem when people can have an abortion and have no feelings of sadness afterwards? My girlfriend had one 20 years ago and I remember every year when it comes to that day. There is clearly a moral problem, wether you are religious or not, when that is possible.

    • Posted By: telicity @ 01/17/2008 10:46:43 AM

      insurance does cover abortions, my sister had twins at a very young age, and her boyfriends insurance covered abortions. Luckily she didn't believe in abortions so I have 2 beautiful nephews!

      • Posted By: tontabillies @ 01/17/2008 10:55:33 AM

        The majority of insurance companies DO NOT cover abortions. (However, they will cover Viagra, of course.) And even if it did, 44 million Americans don't even have health insurance anyways, so it does not matter. The point is, is that abortions are too expensive, period. It does us no good if women have the legal choice to have an abortion, but do not have the money to do it.

  • Posted By: coachleif @ 01/17/2008 11:27:52 AM

    The decline in availablility of abortion facilities is the first and easiest possible reason for the decline to dismiss so that analysis of the remaining factors can proceed apace without this unneeded confusing factor added. Abortion clinics declined at a rate comensurate with the declining need for them -- supply and demand. With fewer abortions being done, the market can support fewer clinics. Add to that the great "productivity" of RU486 type abortions -- more can be performed with a more modest facility -- and you will see that the number of women who "could" be served didn't decline as steeply as a simple analysis of numbers of clinics.

    My gut reaction based solely on living in this society and being interactive at all levels -- I'm an employer of a mostly female workforce aged 15 - 55, I have two grown daughters and 3 grade school aged brothers, and I coach high school aged girls sports so I'm pretty tapped in to the social atmosphere that prevails today -- my gut feeling is that it's probably a fairly equal combination of all the other factors. Let's face it, given other, safer, less physically invading options, I don't know any woman OR man who would PREFER to end a pregnancy through surgical abortion! So this is kind of a "DUH" when it comes to analyzing the causes. Seems like a pretty natural progression to me

  • Posted By: telicity @ 01/17/2008 11:27:17 AM

    Furthermore it is not a "thing" in your body, what a cold thing to say or believe sickening really.

  • Posted By: Benaround @ 01/17/2008 11:25:54 AM

    I suppose Mr Bennett thinks that the wrongness of the holocaust and the genetic cleansing that has taken place in our world is just the imagination of radical right wing Christians. Over 40 million babies are murdered worldwide every year. Science can not argue that fetuses are just tissue, they are living organisms and that is exacrtly what a human being is. Let's get real about the "radical Christian views" balogna and call the truth for what it is. Abortion is murder and it is wrong.

  • Posted By: Sedona4 @ 01/17/2008 11:24:22 AM

    One word: Ultrasounds. That did it for me.
    Prior to my daughter's ultrasound at 9 weeks, I bought into the whole "it's my choice, no right-wing white man is going to tell me what to do with my body" garbage. Then, when I was 30 years old, I had an ultrasound (for an ovarian cyst, but my doctor let me look at the fetus while she was running the machine). I clearly saw a tiny BABY -- MOVING -- not a clump of cells like I had always sort of blithely thought.
    That very day, I did a 180 degree flip on my views on abortion. Once you realize it's a life, everything falls into place. You can give all the reasons in the world why it "might" be in the best interest of the child not to be born. The same reasons could be said for why we ought to euthanize old people for getting too old -- and that's a monstrous thought. It's a life. As a society, we should just deal with that fact, and not pretend like it's some amorphous blob of potential because it's convenient for us to do so.
    P.S. I am completely non-religious -- but I do have perfectly good eyes and I know what I saw. I challenge anyone who is pro-abortion to go to an ultrasound provider and take a look at a 9 or 10 week old fetus and tell yourself that's not a living being.

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