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  • Posted By: aruiz01 @ 01/17/2008 2:07:20 PM

    Let's clarify something. Perot got lots of folks excited about him running for President and then bailed out. He still got 19% of the votes. But his real message to the politicians was loud and clear. Special interest run this country let me show you....Out went the Republicans.... His racist message or ignorance is also loud and clear: "Their hand-eye productivity is incredible because of drawing the symbols," Either way you don't count Perot so go back to goat roping....

  • Posted By: underdog @ 01/17/2008 11:42:33 AM

    Ross Perot who? His time is done with, over, finished. He finished himself off when he withdrew as a candidate , then re entered the race. He needs to retire to Florida and SHUT UP! He's not worth the time or the print space.
    As far as the other comments against McCain as anything but a war hero and a fighter for the causes for the average man, they enforce my belief that if you give an idiot a keyboard and access to the web he will post his looney ideas all day long.

    • Posted By: LetsReason @ 01/17/2008 2:04:45 PM

      Underdog said, "...they enforce my belief that if you give an idiot a keyboard and access to the web he will post his looney ideas all day long." Point and example given all in one post. Excellent!

  • Posted By: OutofWorkinMichigan @ 01/17/2008 2:01:02 PM

    When NAFTA and WTA was being discussed, I remember Mr. Perot warning if those agreements were signed and allowed to go through, it was signing and giving away the USA. I wonder if we are seeing the results now? Fewer jobs here everyday, more foreclosures everyday because we are out of work and cannot pay any interest rate reguardless of the bailout, there needs to be jobs and a paycheck to make payments on homes, cars, and food. Just maybe Mr. Perot knew a little about business and the shape of things to come if those 2 items were signed! If there were more smart people like him who would listen to a good business man, we qould not be in the shape we are in. Lets sell our banks to foreigners!

  • Posted By: td_inRachacha @ 01/17/2008 1:54:40 PM

    Posted By: Jimbozi @ 01/17/2008 1:26:51 PM
    Comment: Ron Paul and the Environment
    http://outside.away.com/outside/culture/200712/election-special-ron-paul.html

    This is why I love message boards, just the complete freedom that people like you have to throw out your half truths. I love it.

    First you threw out a baseless statement that he wants to sell our national parks to the highest bidder.

    Then to prove it you throw out a link that does not quote him as saying "selling our national parks to the highest bidder". I love message boards because it flushes out the spin and mistruths to be debunked.
    Nice try, use some better propoganda next time.

    The internet may be faceless and nameless but lies and spin are not and everytime a generalaztion is used to justify fact and it ends up being outed, it makes it that much easier to debunk next time.
    Nice try tough, I'll give you that much

  • Posted By: dollfin1 @ 01/17/2008 1:51:25 PM

    He is right on point about everything except the opinion that Bush is a decent human being. He is not. If he were running this year I would vote for him.

  • Posted By: dollfin1 @ 01/17/2008 1:48:57 PM

    He is right o point about everything except the fact that Bush is a decent human being.

  • Posted By: Bearinator @ 01/17/2008 1:47:40 PM

    Fruitcake is as fruitcake does

  • Posted By: Jimbozi @ 01/17/2008 1:25:27 PM

    Is that the same Ron Paul that wants to sell our National Parks to the highest bidder??

    • Posted By: Sam_lowrey @ 01/17/2008 1:46:59 PM

      I don't think so, but we are about 8+ Trillion in debt - parks should be the least of your worries.

    • Posted By: td_inRachacha @ 01/17/2008 1:32:04 PM

      I think he's refering to the Ron Paul who is trying to inform this country that it's currency is begining to flat-line. So regardless of what you like, be it, parks, social programs, the war, lower gas prices, gov't subsidies, you will get NONE of it very soon because our currency will be worthless.

      The Federal Reserve is ruining us day by day as they pull in the wealth. Instead the MSM will drone on about racism, hairstyles, "agents of change" nonsense and will not discuss real issues because they are afraid that if they do that the sheep might not vote for who they want you to vote for.

      How can a country with as many tools as we have to educate ourselves be so naive and ignorant?

  • Posted By: colecurtis @ 01/17/2008 1:46:01 PM

    yeah the main part of the conversation that you had with Perot was that last tid bit above about his experience in business. you don't suppose that Perot has invested in Romney's companies of vice versa do you? This is a load of bull and as McCain said he is nuttier than a fruitcake

  • Posted By: bmulkerin @ 01/17/2008 1:44:53 PM

    Why don't you name the books Perot recommended?

  • Posted By: Barton449 @ 01/17/2008 1:42:17 PM

    Perot's ego gave us Clinton...he should be ashamed.

  • Posted By: sunshine7268 @ 01/17/2008 1:32:58 PM

    In a nutshell-I voted or Ross and happen to like how he thinks.
    IMPORTANT: Here's my opportunity to let everyone know that regardless of who they want to be president and whether they are Republican or Democrat, PLEASE VOTE FOR OBAMA IN THE PRIMARIES. WE DO NOT NEED HILLARY CLINTON TO WIN THE DEMOCRATIC NOMINATION.
    FYI- I am a republican and may very well cast my presidential vote that way however Obama is the next best option and certainly wouldn't mind him being president either, but the thought of Hillary in that position scares the living h--- out of me and should everyone else also.

    • Posted By: Sam_lowrey @ 01/17/2008 1:41:51 PM

      Why would a Black supremacists (look at his church's website) and probable stealth Muslim be good?

  • Posted By: linda burnett @ 01/17/2008 12:18:22 PM

    Anyone who thinks Perot is "addle-brained" is sorely mistaken. The media made him out to be wacky and he was never able to shed that image. He wasn't wrong about how to fix the country then and I think most of what he said still applies today. To brush this man off as "paranoid and incoherent" is a mistake. He is an American Patriot and was never wrong about how to fix the country. His "pie charts" may have been boring, but they were right on the money.
    I think Adler presented a fair and balanced article. Does he have a large ego? Sure, but so do most intelligent people who are in the "know". This was a chance to do what the last one who posted said to do, "let this one slide under the radar", but Adler knows that Perot had many followers who knew that his message was one that resonated and had it been implemented, would have led to a much more stable market and country. Do not dismiss this man who loves his country, put together a unti to free our hostages and was able to build an empire from the bottom up to become one of the richest men in the world.

    • Posted By: LetsReason @ 01/17/2008 1:41:37 PM

      The reason people dismiss Perot as whacky is because he has proven that creativity and hard work are what this country needs to improve itself. Most people today in the US do not feel that they are creative (poor school experience cited) and clearly the majority are lazy (whether physically or with their money and the efforts needed to replace it if divvied to help the country). So it is "easier" to just dismiss them. I experience this kind of dismissal as a regular part of my job. When I argue that the children should not be pulled from the Arts (music, art, dance, etc) classes and Physical Education classes to complete incomplete homework assignments, I receive looks of "You just don't get it" and "Give it a rest." Yet we produce tons of robotic humans into a world that they cannot compete in because computers do it much faster and more reliably.

      Ross Perot understood/understands the truth about making it all work because he did it. People don't have his energy so they dismiss his method: hard work and creative ideas.

  • Posted By: bmulkerin @ 01/17/2008 1:40:05 PM

    Why don't you name the books Perot recommended?? I'm sure the authors would like that and maybe this way someone might read them, because it doesn't seem like you are in any hury to.

  • Posted By: BIRDDOG56 @ 01/17/2008 1:39:29 PM

    i think ross perot should run again because i have taled to other people who said they would volt for him

  • Posted By: bpowell72 @ 01/17/2008 1:35:29 PM

    Mr. Alter,

    I was not born until 1972, and therefore have no memories of the era. However, I have become very well acquainted with four men who served as POWs in North Vietnam for periods of time ranging from 2 years to 7.5 years, one of whom was held prisoner for almost 6 years and was John McCain's cellmate for over a year in Hanoi. I have personally spoken to them and heard them speak to others about living POWs left behind in Vietnam. They all believe - and claim that all POWs they know believe - that all living American POWs were brought home. They had ways of communicating in the prison and LOTS of free time on their hands. They memorized each others names and, when they were released, they each wrote down all the names they could remember. Each person on every list was accounted for as either having died or been returned to the United States.

    The gentleman who was Mr. McCain's cell mate does not always see eye-to-eye with Mr. McCain, but has great respect for him. His quote is, "John is a fine man, and we keep in touch, but he's not my kind of Republican." But, he has told me very emphatically that John McCain cares very deeply for the POW/MIA cause, and does not believe that Senator McCain would take it lightly. In my opinion, it is almost blasphemous to Perot to suggest otherwise on such a sensative subject.

    The men that I know all have an immense respect for the late Admiral James Stockdale, who was also a POW in North Vietnam and ran as Ross Perot's VP on the '92 and '96 tickets, so I am not trying to belittle Mr. Perot, his service to his country, or his opinion about the state of our country's affairs. But, if the prisoners themselves do not believe that anyone was left behind, why does Perot? You mentioned his belief in Obama disrespecting the Pledge of Allegiance because of an email he received, and that's very telling because there are also emails about living POWs in Vietnam that also claim "evidence" but do not give any of it.

    As a child, I had the opportunity to know my great-grandparents who lost a son in WWII (pilot of B-24 bomber), and they were once told by his fellow crewmembers that "Stephen parachuted out. I saw it myself." That haunted my great grandmother until her dying day, even though some remains and personal effects were found at the crash site. So, I know first hand what Mr. McCain is talking about when he says this is a cruel hoax on families. Perot needs to stick with finance and stop believing everything he reads on the web.

  • Posted By: fdominguez @ 01/17/2008 12:24:25 PM

    From 12/17/07 edition of Electronic Engineering Times:
    Bachelors in Engineering: India - 237,000, China - 351,000, US - 74,200
    Ph.D in Engineering: India - 1,000, China - 4,300, US - 8,400
    We're still ahead in Engineering Ph.D.s even though India and China are 3-4 times our size. But, our undergraduate degree rates are seriously in need of national attention.

    • Posted By: LetsReason @ 01/17/2008 1:33:19 PM

      Referring to fdominguez's post about the number of engineering degrees from India, China and the US: Are those figures referring to yearly production or the number of people holding those degrees currently residing in those countries? 8,400 Ph.Ds per year in Electronic Engineering alone? Hmmm. Sounds fishy. In any case, who's going to hire a degree when the person who owns it is nothing more than a fleshy computer. Our education system produces robotic number crunchers with little creativity. China has begun a major education reform that puts creativity at the center of the thinking process. I can imagine those 8,400 Ph.Ds finding jobs overseas as the world still hires according to our laurels. Meanwhile, the U.S. companies are hiring the creative Ph.D holders from other countries. Even if we accept the numbers, they are a facade to what is really going on.

  • Posted By: jrobins5 @ 01/17/2008 1:31:53 PM

    Please, PLEASE!!! Listen to Ron Paul!!! He wants to do something about the almost 50% income tax we pay not counting the state taxes. He wants to end the war. The government controls everything we do from manatory seat belts to no smoking. Our forefathers are turning over in their graves with our loss of freedom. The things so many have fought and died for have been taken away for us. He wants to give us, the people of the US, our freedom back from the government. This is will never happen if we elect the same people that have been running the government for many years. We need to get all the support we can for Mr. Paul!!! This
    may be your last chance so please listen to him!!! Things have to change in this country cause the rich keep
    getting richer and the poorer keep getting poorer. Pretty soon we will all be the poorer!!! Don't just follow someone cause everyone else is, please think for yourself. WAKE UP!!! You CAN make a better life for yourself and your children!!

  • Posted By: bemmagemma @ 01/17/2008 1:30:47 PM

    In a nutshell-I voted or Ross and happen to like how he thinks.
    IMPORTANT: Here's my opportunity to let everyone know that regardless of who they want to be president and whether they are Republican or Democrat, PLEASE VOTE FOR OBAMA IN THE PRIMARIES. WE DO NOT NEED HILLARY CLINTON TO WIN THE DEMOCRATIC NOMINATION.
    FYI- I am a republican and may very well cast my presidential vote that way however Obama is the next best option and certainly wouldn't mind him being president either, but the thought of Hillary in that position scares the living h--- out of me and should everyone else also.

  • Posted By: aslan @ 01/17/2008 1:29:59 PM

    I wonder why Perot feels the US has to put our house in order-could it be because of decent W in charge the last 8 years or should I say VP Cheney has run the show. Mr. Perot should speak out more about the disservice W's administration has done to all vets, all the time, right now-all Republicans are ashamed of the lack of leadership and Bush's disdain of those he feels aren't born again. John McCain should have been the candidate in '00 but materialistic and "godly" values fooled a lot of Republicans...glad to be a Catholic democrat

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