Yes, do unto others, do unto me.
You didn???t mean to say guard your mouth, right? There was not really an implied threat of vengeance from the victor on those who are not ???respectful,??? right? It just leapt out of your religious lexicon and you forgot to edit it out. Now, you will be more careful, you say.
Your fear of misinterpretation may be with you for the duration of this election cycle and your defensive responses about the Saints may surely be fired up again and again. And the need to censure others, a trait common in all of the ???Abrahamist??? ???religions,??? must also call you to draw your sword and cut ??? over and over again. Have mercy!
So now, I reveal for all to see my own personal fear of the fierce missionary, da???wa zeal of the Saints and the secrecy which shrouds them-you. In the current instance, Romney became upset and defensive when someone tried insistently to delve into his secrets, i.e., who are his advisors?
I fear what kind of White House it would be with a cult-leader President with cult advisors keeping secrets, no matter how ???good??? they are. Who are these advisors?
I posit it as fact ??? that into LDS temples, as mosques, normal infidels such as me are strictly forbidden to enter. And, whatever rituals or business goes on in them is strictly secret and ???believers??? are forbidden to publicly divulge either the context or content.
But, not in our White House, as I live and breathe!
Surely, this is a proselytizing cult of secrets and the forbidden! Perhaps you, one who does unto others, might personally sympathize with the fears of those of us who love constitutional liberty and despise religious dogmas, no matter how ???good??? they claim to be. That???s what love would do.
Perhaps you and your candidate may become more open and less defensive, and let the rest of us know how to deal with what we perceive as a cultish mentality in a ???mature and patriotic way????
??? perhaps not. Perhaps the best way is the time-honored way: just smite the unbelievers.
I remain ??? grasping at straws ??? a credible historian ??? in memory of labor leader-hero Joe Hill, author of the song The Preacher and the Slave, executed by a Mormon firing squad in Utah on November 19, 1915.
???Shall you kneel in deep submission
from your cradle to your grave?
Is the height of your ambition
to be a good and willing slave?"
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POLITICS
Romney Gets Riled
At last, a moment of drama amid a very scripted campaign
Jan 17, 2008
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Posted By: Doodle Yankee @ 01/18/2008 8:12:26 PM
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Posted By: HolyRoller @ 01/18/2008 8:25:09 PM
Doodle Yankee-I want to thank you for giving some insight as to the real character of the cult of mormon. Anyone who considers this to be intolerant and mean-spirited, lacks knowledge as to what Romney's campaign is really about. The mormon sect is made up of the most racially prejudice group in America, the most elitist of all so called religions and Mitt Romney is their temple prostitute. Harry "Pinky" Reid is their Democratic whore. Salt Lake believes it can gain control of our entire country with a lot of money, well thought out lies, and the help of their "angel" -Satan himself.
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Posted By: BryceO @ 01/19/2008 11:36:48 AM
Just so everyone knows, Joe Hill was a member of I.W.W which was a workers union seeking to throw down capitalist priciples in America. He was involved in a shooting and was accused of murder. It is contraversial if his own gun shot wound came from the actual murder scene or if it happened in his allaby that a married women's (whome he was involved with) husband shot him. His trial was conclusive that he was guilty of murder and Joe chose himself the firing squad for death. There was a plea for a fair trial from the I.W.W. to the president of the United States and the Gov. of Utah but Joe refused in his hope to appear as a martyr for the I.W.W. movement. He was subsuquenty shot by the Utah State Penitentry firing squad (not the mormons as Doodle Yankee claims) on Nov. 19th, 1915. Mormon's did not kill Joe Hill, He was not a preacher, he was constantly in trouble with the law as a result of his involvement with the I.W.W. or Industrial Workers of the World, he may or may not have been guilty of the murder he might have been involved in but refused a fair trial to prove so. Get your facts straight and stop trying to make mormons look like a murderous, cultish, devilish, secrative church. Especially when you don't know your facts.
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Posted By: Doodle Yankee @ 02/12/2008 8:44:03 PM
Let us recap your ???facts- as you state them: So dear Joe, who was in Utah attempting to -throw down capitalist principles,- was conclusively condemned to death in the land of the Latter Day Saints for being ???involved- in a shooting, despite the lack of conclusive evidence. He may or may not have been guilty, you say. He not only chose to be shot to death but refused to submit to a new, -fair trial- so that he could become a martyr for workers, so you say.
This latter factoid implies the real truth, that the first trial that condemned him to death in Utah was not a fair trial. Even so, his mortal body was riddled with bullets in the land of the Latter Day Saints. Nevertheless, despite the certainty that, then as now, the State of Utah, its government, police, courts and penitentiaries are operated exclusively by Mormons, you seem to deny that Mormons had anything at all to do with the judicial murder of poor Joe Hill.
Also, you seem to strongly imply that because of his disreputable association with labor unions attempting to ???throw down capitalist principles,??? because he was constantly ???in trouble with the law,??? and because he was not preacher but only an unsavory union organizer acting like a preacher, he probably deserved to be executed.
So, where did you get your facts, wise guy? Das wut I wanna no! Is it a secret only available to cult members?
Also, your misleading comments only cover a footnote to my posting and, as all the other Mormon ditto heads have done, you ignored the main text of the posting. For instance, even Muslims can enter their mosques without getting permissions from their, er, superiors.
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Posted By: Twister52 @ 01/19/2008 4:37:26 PM
BryceO - Thx for the clarification. Too bad that HolyRoller and Doodle Yankee are so blind.....
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Posted By: HolyRoller @ 01/19/2008 12:24:07 PM
And of course a fine man like Brigham didn't order the execution of settlers in his promised land did he? NO-he just used Caiphus's word-Let one man do for the good of us all. Poor Joe Brown.
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Posted By: Doodle Yankee @ 02/10/2008 6:03:27 PM
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Hail!
Huckabee the southernish Baptist, with his Holy Roller absolutists, hath vanquished Mitt the wearying Robot, with his Mormonish Holier than Thouers!
Ain???t America???s separatist religious sects wonderful in their righteous SPITEFULNESS, and in their insistence on OBEDIENCE to the interpretations of their own power-worshiping clerics?
May the living Christ save us from them all.
Amour! - and Glory Hallelujah!
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Shall you kneel in deep submission
from your cradle to your grave?
Is the height of your ambition
to be a good and willing slave?
Joe Hill, martyr for the liberty of the Son of Man.
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Posted By: flapjack @ 01/30/2008 3:43:19 AM
Re: "Their theology is from the lie in the garden "Thou shall not surely die, Thou shall be as gods."
Adam and Eve DIDN'T die, and they DID become as gods, knowing good and evil (Gen. 3:4-5). Satan wasn't lying to them, he was tempting them to disobey God. C'mon, people: read the Bible.
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Posted By: enram @ 01/27/2008 6:54:42 PM
I haven't been on this site for days, but I wasn't surprised to see HolyRoller still at it . . . preaching same old garbage.
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Posted By: Maddie343333 @ 01/26/2008 8:03:53 PM
Why does everyone hate mormons?
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Posted By: HolyRoller @ 01/27/2008 1:32:39 PM
Because their "religion" is a spawn of demons. Their theology is from the lie in the garden "Thou shall not surely die, Thou shall be as gods. And I know no one who hates mormons, just their doctrines of lies.
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Posted By: tyler2007 @ 01/17/2008 10:56:02 PM
Love it. I'd like to see more candidates get in the face of reporters and their insipid assumptions.
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Posted By: sharp @ 01/26/2008 12:21:16 PM
What assumption?
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Posted By: jsroos @ 01/20/2008 4:11:15 AM
Why do reporters always feel the need to add their opinion into their articles? WE listened and watched what happened... then newsweek, decided to ADD their one sided comments to the article. LET US DECIDE AND JUST REPORT THE FACT (failing media). And for all of you who posted about religion... This article has nothing to do with his religion, so pull your heads out of that box long enough to actually see what else is going on in the campaign.
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Posted By: sharp @ 01/26/2008 12:18:43 PM
jsroos: I think you're going a bit far with *always.* Ms. Smalley's article is analytical and gives, in my opinion, a better, more contextual look at that incident than the video alone. If you just watch the video, you might side with the voter who called the reporter rude. To that woman, it's possibly her first and only time seeing Mitt Romney, but for the press corps, it's a rare chance in a long campaign to actually engage him and call him out on some barely truths he's saying. Ms. Smalley did not give her opinion about the candidate himself, but rather her point of view of being one of the Romney press corps - what it's like covering the candidate.
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Posted By: sunshineisfree @ 01/19/2008 2:31:22 AM
As with any sincere and truth-loving people who call themselves Christians, Mormons (or Latter-day Saints) who take their beliefs seriously try their best to follow the example of the Carpenter whom you invoke. They believe that we must keep Christ's commandments in order to receive his grace for salvation, as testified by the Savior in St. John 14:21: He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of the Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself unto him. " The LDS also believe in the restoration of the true church of Christ as Jesus established it on the earth, including prophets, apostles, bishops, the seventy, etc., revelation, as well as the power, and the authority, to act in God's name, including the performing of miracles and the administering of saving ordinances such as baptism. I ask you, how can this not be Christian? It is Christian. It is Christian in every respect. But I thank you for the opportunity to share this - some people have no idea what Mormons actually believe, since there are so many lies and half-truths out there. I believe what they teach - you see, I'm Mormon, and I most definitely believe in Christ. :)
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Posted By: HolyRoller @ 01/19/2008 12:08:59 PM
So you believe-so do them demons in Hell, and they tremble at his name. You DO NOT believe that JESUS and the FATHER are equal, nor do you believe that the HOLY GHOST is an equal "person" You DO believe that the FATHER was once a man, You DO believe that JESUS resurrected as a god, but was not one in bodily form, and you DO believe the lie int the Garden-"ye shall be GODS" These are a very few of the heresy in the Church of LSD. By the way have ya'll found Brigham Youngs moon cities yet.
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Posted By: sunshineisfree @ 01/26/2008 3:46:18 AM
Actually, Yes, HolyRoller, we do in fact believe that Jesus and the Father are equal, because Jesus received "all that the Father hath". We believe that he WAS God before he came to earth. But he did not yet have a body. He was Jehovah of the old testament, haven been given authority as the Word of God, who was with the Father in the beginning (as according to the testimony of John: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."). (more to come...)
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Posted By: june_bug_777 @ 01/24/2008 9:43:03 PM
This off-the-cuff conversation with this reporter is exactly what we need to see more of. Mitt Romney is totally scripted. And he's mean. I suspect this is because all of his ideas for the presidency are handed to him by his advisors, and once again, we've got a puppet, a pretty face, being run by others standing behind him. He's probably insecure because if he's caught off guard, we might hear him tell us what his real agenda is, in his own words. So what is it? Can he express ideas in his own word. Let's hear his original thoughts....are there any?
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Posted By: HolyRoller @ 01/22/2008 11:11:11 PM
Mormons say they believe in Jesus but the Jesus they serve is not the Biblical Jesus. The Jesus of the Mormon Church is the brother of Lucifer. Jesus is a spirit child of God the Father and a heavenly mother by physical union. (sex) Jesus was born a child and through obedience to the Laws became a God, therefore Jesus has not always been God. Jesus' shed blood on the cross does not atone for all sins, but there are certain sins that the blood of Jesus does not atone for. Jesus after He was crucified and raised to life married three women and had offspring.
Mormons say they believe in God the Father but He is not the same One from the Bible. Mormons believe that God the Father was once a man who became a God. Mormons believe that God the Father had a father, and his father had a father, an endless progression of Gods. That means God has not always been God, but the Father was at one time not God by nature.
Mormons say they believe in the Trinity but their definition is different. The Mormon Church teaches that the Father, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit (Trinity) are three different Gods. Mormons believe the Trinity is one in purpose not in nature.
Mormons say they are the only true Church. The Mormon Church teaches that they are the only true Church and that all others are the Church of the devil. They may not say this to you but they do teach this.
Mormons say they believe in the Bible. The Mormon Church teaches that there are 4 holy books. These books are: the Book of Mormon, the Pearl of Great Price, Doctrines and Covenants, and the Bible. The Bible in the Mormon Church is least looked upon for doctrine and theology. Mormons are taught that the Bible is correct as long as it goes with their theology. If the Bible contradicts what the other 3 books say or their theology, than the Bible is wrong according to the Mormon Church.-
Posted By: jazzbebop @ 01/24/2008 1:45:27 AM
Actually they kind of side with Mary on the birth and conception of Jesus. She thought it to be personal and private, so in the scriptures it says she "hid these things in her heart". the King james version of the bible, and most others, state that mary was "overshadowed by the most high" and that she was a virgin. Hence, anyones interpretation of how she became pregnant, is a mystery. Which is probably what it should be. As americans we want to know how everyone has done it and is doing it, and quite frankly some things should just be held sacred. And in this case, not only is it sacred, but apparently secret - as know one can really explain it, and Mary chose not to divulge it. So, the mormons don't actually teach anything about sex and the gods... they have left that to the Romans. In addition, their definition of the trinity is different, but at least it is original?! Everyone else decided to subscribe to the council of nicea;s definition of the trinity from the 3rd century. And, as weird as it may seem, thought the mormons believe in 4 books of scripture they actually thinnk there are more out there. Why would God speak only to the people near modern day israel as we know it? And we already know that the 3 wise men as mentioned in the NT came from the east, how did they know to follow a star and know of the prophecies? They didn't have blog posts, email, printed books, or much of paper to write..... could God have spoken to them also? And if so, would they not do as peter and the apostles who stated "holy men wrote as god spoke to them"? So if they wrote, where are their published works? And didn't we already cover this in another post that you never responded too?
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Posted By: Pseudo23 @ 01/24/2008 1:20:45 AM
Wow buddy. you sure know alot about what you dont know. but you sure think you know. but you dont. sorry you hate mormons. lots of nice people. just like other faiths.
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Posted By: hoopes_az @ 01/22/2008 1:13:07 PM
Comment: PLEASE READ:
DO US ALL A FAVOR AND IGNORE HOLYROLLER'S POSTS.
He's really sad and lonely...he seeks your company by drawing you into a contentious debate. He tempts you and baits you into angry, hate laced conversations. You walk away wishing ill feelings towards him. Sound familiar?
He needs folks to respond to him to feel important. Don't oblige. No hateful lie he tells about the Mormon church can actually make it true. Folks who already dislike Mormons will be inclined to agree with him and not listen to a thing you say in defense. People with a sense of decency and any intelligence will dismiss him and his comments for what they are...and they don't need to hear from you to make up their mind.
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Posted By: HolyRoller @ 01/22/2008 11:06:13 PM
So now the mormon view is -PLEASE HIDE YOUR HEAD IN THE SAND-ROMNEY"S RELIGIOUS VALUES ARE UNIMPORTANT-GOD DOESN"T REALLY CARE IF HE FOLLOWS A DEMONIC LIE. MITT WILL NOT MAKE HIS FAITH HIS TOP PRIORITY
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Posted By: Twister52 @ 01/23/2008 8:50:44 PM
"HolyRoller", dude, after reading your replies to so MANY posts, there's no other way to put this.....you're so lost I coubt you could lead a group of Girl Scouts out of a wet paper sack. I have personally answered at least 6 or 7 of your attacks in separate, clearly written posts and when "hoopes_az" says he not replying to your rantings anymore because your ludicrous attitude is such a downer, you immediately say that the LDS church viewpoint is that we encourage all people to "stick their head in the sand" because our values are unimportant. What?!?! Just why in the world do you think that I and so many other Latter-day Saints have spent the time and effort to repeateadly explain things to you and other non-Mormons on this post? For our health? It can't be for money, pal, because we're not getting paid. In short, we HAVE clearly explained our doctrines(repeatedly!) and constantly URGED people to go to God as the source of all truth, and for all this, you say we want people to not investigate our teachings or history. All mach no vector will get you nowhere, HolyRoller, that is, unless you like being laughed at by virtually every sane poster on this blog. So blog your venom all you want, but ironically all it does is make intelligent people of integrity wonder why there is so much hatred spewed towards the LDS faith. The more hate you put out there, the more that people of class investigate us. Adios! The caravan moves on......
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Posted By: HolyRoller @ 01/19/2008 11:52:23 PM
Re:Twister
Does it not makes sense that if Satan wants people to believe the Book of Mormon is sacred scripture, he would incorporate an unbiblical method in order to come to such a conclusion? The Bible never says to pray about the matter. Instead, I John 4:1 reads, "Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God; because many false prophets are gone out into the world."
Some Mormon missionaries have erroneously told prospective converts that this means we should pray concerning the Book of Mormon. To assume such an interpretation is to ignore the Greek language used by the Apostle John. The word "try" in this verse is the word dok-im-ad-zo which means to examine, prove, or test. When it comes to making a decision of whether or not the Book of Mormon is from God, we are to test what it has to say. If it contradicts what God has already revealed, it fails. The real Holy Spirit will not contradict the Words of the True God. Unfortunately many sincere people fall for this ploy, not heeding the warning set forth by the Apostle John, and have, in essence, "gained a testimony of the Book of Mormon" in an unbiblical manner. It makes perfect sense that the father of lies would employ a false testing standard in order to seduce a person into believing a lie.-
Posted By: Twister52 @ 01/20/2008 12:46:44 AM
"HolyRoller", wow, is your thinking whacked. You claim that those who belong to and believe in the LDS faith have, and I quote,: "gained a testimony of the Book of Mormon IN AN UNBIBLICAL MANNER". What?!So what about James 1:5, which says, quote: "IF ANY OF YOU LACK WISDOM, LET HIM ASK OF GOD, that giveth to all men LIBERALLY, and UPBRAIDETH NOT; and it SHALL be given him". That is in your Bible as well as mine but when those who gain a witness from God about the truthfulness of The Book of Mormon, you suddenly say we have not gone about it God's way. I must admit, I admire your determination and zeal but you're not making sense. Next false accusation......
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Posted By: HolyRoller @ 01/20/2008 12:58:30 AM
Mormons say they believe in Jesus but the Jesus they serve is not the Biblical Jesus. The Jesus of the Mormon Church is the brother of Lucifer. Jesus is a spirit child of God the Father and a heavenly mother by physical union. (sex) Jesus was born a child and through obedience to the Laws became a God, therefore Jesus has not always been God. Jesus' shed blood on the cross does not atone for all sins, but there are certain sins that the blood of Jesus does not atone for. Jesus after He was crucified and raised to life married three women and had offspring.
Mormons say they believe in God the Father but He is not the same One from the Bible. Mormons believe that God the Father was once a man who became a God. Mormons believe that God the Father had a father, and his father had a father, an endless progression of Gods. That means God has not always been God, but the Father was at one time not God by nature.
Mormons say they believe in the Trinity but their definition is different. The Mormon Church teaches that the Father, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit (Trinity) are three different Gods. Mormons believe the Trinity is one in purpose not in nature.
Mormons say they are the only true Church. The Mormon Church teaches that they are the only true Church and that all others are the Church of the devil. They may not say this to you but they do teach this.
Mormons say they believe in the Bible. The Mormon Church teaches that there are 4 holy books. These books are: the Book of Mormon, the Pearl of Great Price, Doctrines and Covenants, and the Bible. The Bible in the Mormon Church is least looked upon for doctrine and theology. Mormons are taught that the Bible is correct as long as it goes with their theology. If the Bible contradicts what the other 3 books say or their theology, than the Bible is wrong according to the Mormon Church.
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Posted By: Twister52 @ 01/20/2008 1:28:55 AM
"HolyRoller", you've posted many untruths here. Was your spirit created by a physical union between your heavenly parents? Beats me, all I know is that God is indeed the spiritual father of us all. And where in the world did you come up with Christ marrying 3 women and having children after He was resurrected? I suppose you'll tell me that that is "secret Mormon doctrine" that LDS leaders don't want to tell the masses, right? The LDS church does not teach that, never has. The other falsehoods you spewed I'll leave to someone else to refute. Anyway, here's why I'm replying.....you ran away from my scriptural refutation about how it was right and "God-approved" to pray and ask Him about The Book of Mormon (or any other perplexing issue). James 1:5 is written so clearly that there is no way to logically argue any other perspective and you know it. James even said that God will give to everyone who lacks knowledge "liberally", in other words "freely" and promises us that He will not "upbraid" us, or in other words, He won't chastise us for not knowing the answer to our question or for having to ask Him. Yes, John said in the Book of Revelations that there are many false spirits abroad and I agree there certainly are. However, who are you, to effectively seal the mouth of God by saying "No more scripture!"? John the Revelator did not say that. Instead he was saying that ALL scripture, from the days of Adam to the last, would all agree with one another because God is unchangeable. That is true, unless man has tampered with it...... Goodnight my friend, good night.
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Posted By: HolyRoller @ 01/20/2008 1:43:14 AM
If I can produce evidence of my charges, would you be open to exploring tje possibility that you have been decieved by your "religion?
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Posted By: Twister52 @ 01/22/2008 12:26:07 AM
"HolyRoller", you may bring all the "evidence" you wish, but the Creator of us all has previously told me on 2 specific occasions that The Book of Mormon is true, ie, "approved wholeheartedly" by God Himself. You can not definitely "prove" anything through Scriptural arguments nor can I (and please understand that though I have appealed to certain biblical scriptures to understand LDS theology, I have never claimed that the ultimate source of proving Mormonism beyond a shadow of a doubt lies in the Bible) which is why I have encouraged you or anyone to ask the ultimate source of truth....God. So, God has spoken to me on the matter and who am I to argue against Him? Perhaps you will say that that is not what God was speaking to me, as one man did to me in Mississippi. But there was no doubt. His answer was clear and is a matter of fact and history and wanting it to be otherwise will not change a thing. Go to the Lord and ask in private, humble prayer. What are you so afraid of?
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Posted By: HolyRoller @ 01/22/2008 11:20:40 PM
The Mormon scripture Doctrine and Covenants presents more serious problems. The original edition of Doctrine and Covenants was called the Book of Commandments and was published in 1833. This book contrained allegedly direct, word-for-word revelations from God to Joseph Smith. But in 1835 the Book of Commandments was reissued under the title Doctrine and Covenants and appeared with literally thousands of changes made from God's earlier revelations.
There are at least 65,000 changes between the Book of Commandments and Doctrine and Covenants. Joseph Smith had apparently changed his mind about what was and wasn't God's Word 135
Nevertheless, the Mormon Church frequently claims that the Book of Mormon and Doctrine and Covenants have never been changed. Supposedly, there has been no tampering with "God's Word."136 But the evidence is there for any Mormon to see. All interested readers may examine the issue for themselves by comparing modern versions with the first editions of the Book of Mormon and Doctrine and Covenants as found in Joseph Smith Begins His Work, Volumes 1 and 2 (notarized photostat copies) Do you want to read them? -
Posted By: HolyRoller @ 01/22/2008 11:01:35 PM
"Twister52" I truly appreciate your honesty in your last post. I feel your longing for a relationship with the creator of the universe and respect it. Please understand my reasons for my posts. (1)I know that mormonism is a lie of Satan. Moses tells of its coming with his account of Adam and Eves fall from grace. Did or did not, the serpent tell them "You shall not surely die, you shall be as gods." This is basicly the foundation of the mormon doctrine.
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Posted By: HolyRoller @ 01/19/2008 6:46:03 PM
"Those who were less valiant in pre-existence and who thereby had certain spiritual restrictions imposed upon them during mortality are known to us as the negroes. Such spirits are sent to earth through the lineage of Cain, the mark put upon him for his rebellion against God and his murder of Abel being a black skin. (Moses 5:16-41; 7:8,12,22.) Noah's son Ham married Egyptus, a descendant of Cain, thus preserving the negro lineage through the flood. (Abra. 1:20-27.) Negroes in this life are denied the priesthood; under no circumstances can they hold this delegation of authority from the Almighty." (Mormon Doctrine, page 527, 1966 Edition
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Posted By: HolyRoller @ 01/19/2008 6:51:51 PM
Anyone want a few more mormon "truths"??? Not racist huh. You dropped this doctrine when GOD revealed himself to another of your profits. Just coincedence the IRS was about to yank your tax-exempt status.
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Posted By: Twister52 @ 01/19/2008 10:35:29 PM
All, "HolyRoller" is referring to a quote by a man named Bruce McConkie, who was an LDS apostle who died in 1985. It was McConkie's personal opinion that blacks would never receive the Priesthood. He included that opinion in a book called "Mormon Doctrine" although, may I point out, that his opinion on this subject was never an official doctrine of the LDS church, though the title of the book would lead one to believe otherwise. Quite simply, Mr. McConkie's opinion on this subject was incorrect. In 1978 the Lord revealed through the prophet at the time (a man named Spencer Kimball) and his two counselors and 12 other apostles (one of which was actually Bruce McConkie) that the time had come for blacks and other non-white races to receive the Priesthood and all the blessings that flowed from it. I do not pretend to know why the Lord did this in 1978 (though "HolyRoller" claims it was due to ulterior motives) but I am glad that the Lord decided what He did. Lest anyone cry out in anger that Bruce McConkie, as an apostle of the Lord, was "wrong" and point an accusing finger to prove his claim of being an apostle of Christ as false, may I remind those prone to criticize that even the Savior's beloved Peter "got it wrong" and denied knowing the Savior on the eve of His crucifixion. As for "HolyRoller's" claim of the LDS church being racist, nothing could be further from the truth. People of ALL races have ALWAYS been allowed to join the LDS church through baptism since the church's inception in 1830. They could become members, pray in meetings, partake of the sacrament, teach Sunday School lessons and worship along side every other member. Does that sound "racist" to you? Indeed, a woman named Jane Manning James joined the LDS church through baptism back in the days of Joseph Smith. And, no, she was not the only one. Next question......
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Posted By: Twister52 @ 01/22/2008 12:06:49 AM
Towards the end of my rebuttal that should read "a black woman named Jane Manning James.....". Sorry for any confusion
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Posted By: Doodle Yankee @ 01/21/2008 2:14:01 AM
A current question about the motives of Presidential candidate Romney (who is clearly under oath to be a missionary for his church), has here descended into a sectarian squabble, often hateful, about pre-scientific scriptures.
It is so easy for the rest of us to disparage such religious fundamentalists, on whom the enlightening breezes of real, rational thinking seem to have no effect at all.
We, the other brothers and sisters in divinity, must always remember to forgive and keep reaching for the Unity of all our brothers and sisters, divinely human even though they refuse to think clearly because of their clerical brainwashing.
To all those who refuse to simply come respectfully to each other from the love of The Christ, instead of from clerical rituals and traditions, disparage means to put down.
I???m out o???here.
I cleave the heavens, and soar to the infinite.
What others see from afar, I leave far behind me.
Altiora Peto!
- Aspire to Grandeur! -
Giordano Bruno
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Posted By: HolyRoller @ 01/20/2008 10:25:03 PM
Enjoyed the article, but I "ve goy a better headline title:
MITT GETS MAJIK MORMON PANTIES IN A WAD
Now I"ll bet that would draw some readers.
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Posted By: jsroos @ 01/20/2008 8:04:47 PM
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Posted By: healthcareisaright @ 01/20/2008 11:53:18 AM
good job at locating the obvious jaroos person. everyone else can bend over just get a look with their good eye but yet when some sort of composite view is posted in such a manner as to lead others to think these statements might be true personal views you want to get touchy. touch this sport.
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Posted By: HolyRoller @ 01/20/2008 12:05:53 AM
1. The doctrine of God once being a man comes from the teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith.
2. Mormons believe that God was once a man because this is what Joseph Smith taught.
3. Mormons believe that God was once a man because this is what the Mormon Church teaches.
4. Mormons also believe the Scriptures teach that God has always been God from eternity, but they have a different theological view on what eternal, eternity, and everlasting means.
5. Mormons agree, "Not much has been revealed about this concept beyond the fact that God was once a man", therefore Mormons really don't understand this doctrine nor can they prove it.
Mormons have been deceived on the eternal nature of God-
Posted By: Twister52 @ 01/20/2008 1:02:43 AM
"HolyRoller", you have 5 points here that really are all the same thing. Come on, surely you can present your viewpoints better than making it seem like your objections are more numerous than they really are. So you disagree with the doctrine of who we as human beings are, a point I artfully refuted below and the best you can do is repeat your same rants in a numerically growing fashion? Whereas your arguments in your postings have proven to be shallow, the viewpoints of LDS theology and their explanations make sense and brings peace to one's soul. It is midnight now so from here on out your on your own. You obviously believe in Christ and I say I do too. It is a pity that so far you choose to hate rather than try to understand. May our common God, the King of all Kings bless us both. Till we meet again.
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Posted By: HolyRoller @ 01/19/2008 8:55:34 PM
"That becomes the hinge pin on which this whole cause turns. If the First Vision was true, if it actually happened, then the Book of Mormon is true. Then we have the priesthood. Then we have the Church organization and all of the other keys and blessings of authority which we say we have. If the First Vision did not occur, then we are involved in a great sham. It is just that simple." (New York Rochester Missionary Meeting, July 12, 1996.) (Teachings of Gordon B. Hinckley, p. 227)
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Posted By: Twister52 @ 01/19/2008 10:54:25 PM
"HolyRoller", so what's your point? I assume that you're trying to say that our current prophet, Gordon B. Hinckley, doubts the reality of his calling or claim of being chosen as the Lord's prophet? If that is the case you are sadly mistaken because you are taking this quote entirely out of context. In a world-wide church meeting Mr. Hinckley was simply stating that the whole of the LDS church's claim of being the restored church of Jesus Christ lies in the truth of the reality of Joseph Smith being called as a prophet of God. And that IS the reality of the situation....if Joseph Smith was actually called by the God of Heaven to do a work for Him, then what he established was done by God's direction and with God's approval and authority. If Joseph was a "false prophet" then what he established is a farce and will not stand approved by God at the last day. There is no in-between; God either approves of something or He does not. How is one to know if Joseph Smith was indeed a man called by God to work for Him? By learning of the truthfulness of The Book of Mormon. If the book is "true", ie, approved by God as having originated from God, then Joseph is a latter-day prophet. If the book is false, then Joseph Smith and all he established is false as well. I have read and studied The Book of Mormon and prayed about it in secret to God and not once, but twice, God has sent the Holy Spirit to confirm the book's truth. The Book of Mormon is, along with the Holy Bible, a witness of Christ and it has been given to us in these last days before the Savior comes again to help the world discern truth from error and to strengthen and comfort those who love the Lord. Next accusation....... Dan Maloy, Enid, OK
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Posted By: HolyRoller @ 01/20/2008 12:08:10 AM
1. The doctrine of God once being a man comes from the teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith.
2. Mormons believe that God was once a man because this is what Joseph Smith taught.
3. Mormons believe that God was once a man because this is what the Mormon Church teaches.
4. Mormons also believe the Scriptures teach that God has always been God from eternity, but they have a different theological view on what eternal, eternity, and everlasting means.
5. Mormons agree, "Not much has been revealed about this concept beyond the fact that God was once a man", therefore Mormons really don't understand this doctrine nor can they prove it.
Mormons have been deceived on the eternal nature of God
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Posted By: SupaMan07 @ 01/19/2008 11:13:56 PM
Why do u bash mormens what has that religon done to you just because you don't like it dosen't mean you have to hate Mitt Romney or any other mormen for that matter all your doing is digging your self deeper and deeper down in the bowels of hell
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Posted By: SupaMan07 @ 01/19/2008 11:21:04 PM
CHUCK NORRIS WILL COME AND ROUNDHOUSE KICK YOU IN THE FACE IF BASH REPUBLICANS
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Posted By: HolyRoller @ 01/19/2008 11:42:58 PM
Uh...What???
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