Romney Gets Riled

front page of the site and responded to that. I'll take it down a notch from the ???defending Mormon as Christians??? side of things. However, for Roller's concerns as well as Doodle Yankee's, Mitt pretty much stated his dedication to the office of the President of the United States in his Faith in America speech, which you can find on YouTube.com at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaR3SplytX0

He says "I will serve no one religion, no one group, no one cause and no one interest. A president must serve only the common cause of the people of the United States." He also states:
"...no authorities of my church, or any other church for that matter, will ever exert influence on presidential decisions. Their authority is theirs, within the province of church affairs and it ends where the affairs of the nation begins." Also, in regard to his governorship, "I did not confuse the particular teachings of my church with the obligations of the office, and of the Constitution. I will put no doctrine of any church above the plain duties of the office and the sovereign authority of the law."

As for whether Romney will be dictated to by the leadership of the church, I'll quote for you another of our fundamental beliefs: "We believe in being subject to kings, rulers, magistrates, and in honoring and sustaining the law."

Your concerns also about the Constitution and the "threat" of Salt Lake trying to take over the nation are unfounded. Another fundamental, and HolyRoller, may I say, unchanging belief (having been penned by J. Smith in approx 1830) is that "We claim the right to worship almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where or what they may." Given these two tenets, there can be no claim to trying to take over, anywhere.

Another interesting quote from Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith:

"The scriptures inform us that Jesus said, as the Father hath power in himself, even so hath the Son power to do what? Why, what the Father did. The answer is obvious in a manner to lay down his body and take it up again. Jesus, what are you going to do? To lay down my life as my Father did, and take it up again. Do you believe it? If you do not believe it you do not believe the Bible. The scriptures say it, and I defy all the learning and wisdom and all the combined powers of earth and hell together to refute it." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pages 345-348)

So God the Father was also DEAD at one time, huh. NO YOU PEOPLE ARE NOT A CULT.

God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens! That is the great secret. If the veil were rent today, and the great God who holds this world in its orbit, and who upholds all worlds and all things by His power, was to make himself visible. Say, if you were to see him today, you would see him like a man in form, like yourselves in all the person, image, and very form as a man; for Adam was created in the very fashion, image and likeness of God, and received instruction from, and walked, talked and conversed with Him, as one man talks and communes with another.

In order to understand the subject of the dead, for consolation of those who mourn for the loss of their friends, it is necessary we should understand the character and being of God and how He came to be so; for I am going to tell you how God came to be God. We have imagined and supposed that God was God from all eternity. I will refute that idea, and take away the veil, so that you may see." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, page 345)

Yes, Bishop Sunshine,

We got it now! - Mormon secrecy, cultism, authoritism and lack of open due process are firmly based on ???sacred??? scriptures! I???ll bet you got a million of ???em and your expositions probably all tend to be a bit longish - but I can see clearly now, gone are the dark clouds that had me blind, its going to be a bright, Sun Shiny day.

Well, on second thought, not really. Perhaps, from another point of view, the innocent One was so reticint to reveal himself because he was, and is, so abused by dogma-based religious persecutors, i.e., the all-knowing clerics of the ???holy,??? guardians of the ???sacred??? places.

B.S. Still today, these clerics and their missionaries insist on ruling us all, as preaches rule their flocks, with the authority of ancient ancestors to whom their own particular Great Revealer hadn???t even revealed the mystery of trajectory of the Earth around the Sun. Can you say reactionary?

Isn???t it so, dear Sunny, that the One (who???s Name your church uses as a brand name) wrote no scriptures? ??? no, not a one! He left no commandments, only the Idea of Love! and he established no ???church??? and no structure of ???authority??? to be ???restored.??? All clerical b.s.

CULTS So, your temples have ???nothing evil, scary, or ugly or contrary to the happiness and goodness of humankind,??? NO SEX, nothing weird,??? just ???purely good, purely beautiful, and purely holy.??? Just like a mosque, something purely separate from a foul, sex-obsessed world! - the good side of a Dual Universe. How wonderful! You guys are just soooo Good ??? it???s scary.

But, as usual, such fantasmagorical b.s. can only be maintained under the shrouds of clerical secrecy, the authority of ???revealed??? doctrines, and codes of rewards and punishments - the tools of cults. Truly, the monotheist cults have been surpassed by no other form of religlion in clerical secrecy and in the frequency and horror of their punishments.

The purely innocent can clearly assert that your LDS ???beliefs??? and fantasies are simply (false) derivations from the living Word, the kinds of derivitions which have (through the long Dark Ages of the rule of the traditions of Rome and Mecca) kept yokes of separation and submission on the necks of the One free Being, the Son of man.

Yet, when the ideologies of submission are questioned, the ???believers??? just trot out more old scripture. Never mind liberty - what science?

LOVE Who will pray with me? May Love save us from all the fanatical missionaries of ???almighty??? monotheism! whether they be Saintists, Islamists, Papists, Southern Baptists, or whatever! May they be stopped from taking over all governments! And, may they learn to stop shoving their Books in my face!

Free men must reject the idea that we must be ???subjects??? (in submission) to anything or anyone, including god-concepts, lords, kings, rulers, magistrates, all superstitions of ???faith,??? and all dogmas whatsoever (inclu

get mit to explaine this away.:Romney spokesman Eric Fehrnstrom insisted Romney is not beholden to anyone, having sunk more than $17 million of his personal fortune into his campaign.

???He doesn???t owe anybody anything, and he has the independence of judgment to make the right decisions for the American people,??? Fehrnstrom said. ???He has many people who give him advice, support and encouragement. But the bottom line is that Mitt Romney is an outsider who???s never served in Washington.???

According to Public Citizen, Romney has refused to make good on a previous promise to release a list of top fund-raisers.

The other lobbyists who raised funds for Romney, according to Public Citizen: Gregory B. Butler Sr., who represents Northeast Utilities; Jack Gerard of Virginia, who represents the chemical industry; Alberto R. Cardenas, William G. Harrison, David A. Rancourt and John Thrasher, all of Florida; Scott Baugh of California; Daniel Dumezich and Robert T. Grand, both of Indiana; and Eric Tanenblatt of Georgia.
what a tool this mit is truning out to be. why brag so much about his personal money while sending these folks out to become "in his dept so he is only going to owe himself and the folks his religion allows him. he is proably a bishop with lds so that right away means he has found a method to screw over our tax system as it stands. this onology between the truth and mit beliefs and his personal epistemology is too important to let slip by the wayside and let his "camp" fill the trash truck again to make a dump on average joe usa.

Issues people, issues! Keep your eye on the ball! We all agree that Romney's demeanor was fine during the "incident", and that--if anything--the reporter was just trying to get his five minutes of fame.

Now that Tancredo is out, Hunter is ignored, and Thompson is on life support, it's important to pin Romney down on the issues--particularly illegal aliens already here in the US.

Will he deport them, or force them to leave through other policies? What are those policies?
Will he ensure that they do not have access to Social Security benefits and other benefit programs?
Will he initiate termination of the anchor baby rule, and chain migration?
When will the fence--actual, not virtual--be completed?

Voters in upcoming primaries want answers to the above. (Mitt, your demeanor is fine.)

Don'tcha just love it when that happens? A candidate gets called out on a statement in front of everyone and gets peevish and then nervously tries to rattle off an answer in response? A couple months ago I decided to completely rule out voting for a candidate who lied or exaggerated. Guiliani was out before I could finish a sentence. Others, including Romney were gone a long time ago. Help! I have no one to vote for.

Salvador Delphin DeJesus @ 01/18/2008 12:14:29 AM
Comment: Wow, I find the comments posted EXTREMELY offensive. It never fails to me to be an issue of concern among people to find some way to criticize a man about his religion and not his positions. What if everybody just went about making bigoted and stereotypical statements like these posted today about Mormonism and turned them toward Baptist? Or how about Catholism?

BECAUSE they are not fabrications of a two bit huckster with a desire for powe, money or sex like Joe Smith and Brigham Young. Americans know the difference.

I live in Massachusetts and was witness to the devestation Romney left in his wake. The reason he only ran once was because all polls indicated he would have lost in the most lop-sided loss in state history. I am no John Kerry fan, by any means, but Romney's flip-flopping on issues far outpaces Kerry and his wishy-washy pov. Please do not put your stubborn refusal to back down on supporting Romney before the sake of the history of this country. While none of the candidates are perfect, Romney only appears aesthetically perfect, but he is by far the most dangerous candidate on the ticket. Look at the track records of Presidents who come from millionaire upbringing, thereby meaning they have never HAD to work a day in their life, nor has ever know life without health benefits. Big difference between having to work to live, which most of us do, versus working to keep busy, and for accolades. How much can they really relate to the problems of the middle-class, hard-working person, who works to feed the family, keep the house, and struggles to keep health benefits. There ought to be a law that spoiled, silver spoon millionaires can't run for office, at any level. Self-made millionaires, sure....But come on...do you think Kennedy had the grades for Harvard? Of course not...Daddy built a new gym and John got accepted. And GW? Another silver spoon moron...The person we all need to run for President is out there somewhere, but is way too smart to run for President...so we get the garbage running the country now, at all levels.

It's tough for a guy like Romney to be given a fair shake. I think there have been a lot of cheap shot directed toward him. Unfortunatly, there are many like Glen who don't like the idea that Gov. Romney is a Mormon, and they veil their attacks on his religion by cowardly, unprofessional acts like this.

Holyroller, your name gives me a hint at what your religious affiliation is. You want to use this forum to preach your anitmormon beliefs. Why don't you go find an anitmormon site and post your little heart away. Let's reserve this site for issues!

I live in Massachusetts and was witness to the devestation Romney left in his wake. The reason he only ran once was because all polls indicated he would have lost in the most lop-sided loss in state history. I am no John Kerry fan, by any means, but Romney's flip-flopping on issues far outpaces Kerry and his wishy-washy pov. Please do not put your stubborn refusal to back down on supporting Romney before the sake of the history of this country. While none of the candidates are perfect, Romney only appears aesthetically perfect, but he is by far the most dangerous candidate on the ticket. Look at the track records of Presidents who come from millionaire upbringing, thereby meaning they have never HAD to work a day in their life, nor has ever know life without health benefits. Big difference between having to work to live, which most of us do, versus working to keep busy, and for accolades. How much can they really relate to the problems of the middle-class, hard-working person, who works to feed the family, keep the house, and struggles to keep health benefits. There ought to be a law that spoiled, silver spoon millionaires can't run for office, at any level. Self-made millionaires, sure....But come on...do you think Kennedy had the grades for Harvard? Of course not...Daddy built a new gym and John got accepted. And GW? Another silver spoon moron...The person we all need to run for President is out there somewhere, but is way too smart to run for President...so we get the garbage running the country now, at all levels.

Oh this is classic! Reminiscent of Romney's "I marched with MLK" statements earlier in the campaign and also reminiscent of another politicians famous delusional spin, "I did not have sex with that woman...". How do these guys get off taking such creative license with the truth?!

All I have to add is to reflect what one pundit espoused on a recent news show, and I don't think he meant it in a flattering way but it speaks volumes nonetheless..."Huckabee is the only one of the candidates that actually believes what comes out of his (or her) mouth".

does anyone really want to trust someone with the office of the president of the united states whom belives in and wears "magic underwear". spell casting protective underwear,,, and somehow we are to think these perceptive perversions aren't carried through every aspect of his life. that is more absurd than seeing ufos