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Would You Like Fries With Your Clone?

European and U.S. food safety agencies have deemed cloned pigs and cows safe to eat. Should we all become vegetarians?

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  • Posted By: raylexabb @ 03/08/2009 11:46:09 PM

    what about the hormones used when impregnating the surrogate and the fact that many are born with compromised immune systems requiring treatment with antibiotics and the use of 6-DMAP? I don't want to feed this to my family. I want the cloned meat to be labeled so I can choose what I want to buy for my family.

  • Posted By: FirstZebra @ 05/08/2008 10:50:02 PM

    NOT A COMMENT>>JUST AN OPINION
    If the US ag. communty hadn't developed the cereal crop we now count on, where would the world be now?
    We had the same hue and cry over preservation IE, canning, Homogenization, radiation and now cloning'
    Therre are times when I think the human race is headed for extinction..

  • Posted By: illuuminus @ 01/19/2008 6:24:23 PM

    The real point here is whether we will allow these corporate controlled governmental bodies complete control over our food supply. Do you want every bit of food you consume to be manmade, processed, chemically derived, or bio-engineered? If you think it's no big deal, then perhaps it's not, for you anyway. But what about when that day comes that you begin to think a bit more intelligently, and to care about things, about people, but alas, you discover it's too late. You've seen what's happened to the water supply, have you not? Do you drink water from your tap at home anymore, as you did when you were a kid? Do you realize that a large percentage of the foods we're eating now on a daily basis fit the definition of experimental, as they have been chemically tampered to such a degree that no one really knows what harm they'll cause in the long run? Think bio-engineered foods are just as good as those that once thrived naturally on this planet? Well, maybe you can take up your argument with the bees. What do you suppose has happened to them? Oh, sorry, I forgot. You don't really care as long as you get that nice juicy steak. Mark my words... If we don't stop this insane self destrucive rollercoaster soon you'll be dining on Soylent Green, and that's not science fiction.

    • Posted By: cassandraparkes @ 05/05/2008 4:13:17 PM

      I drink water from my tap at home and I'm jsut fine.

    • Posted By: cassandraparkes @ 05/05/2008 4:12:49 PM

      I drink water from my tap at home and I'm just fine.

    • Posted By: moneyos @ 01/19/2008 6:32:06 PM

      Al Gore said that global warming is going to kill billions of people in the next few years. If we dont start cloning our food, then we will starve and have to feed on each other. Dang republicans.

  • Posted By: Arif @ 01/21/2008 2:06:32 AM

    I have absolutely nothing against people choosing to eat clone derived foods.

    The operative word here is CHOOSE!

    If someone has faith in owners of big agribusiness being thorough and careful enough to not put profits ahead of consumer safety, and faith in FDA officials having absolute integrity all the time - by all means, buy and eat what they want to sell you. You can make your own informed decision.

    Oh, but wait. Why don't these people want to let you and I make our own informed decisions regarding the food we eat? Could it be we might by chance make a decision that is not in THEIR interests?$$?

    The FDA has never had to recall a product they've previously approved - have they?

    And they've never ever put anyone in charge of approving something who happened to previously work for the company asking for approval - have they?

    Surely the government would never ever give any bureaucrat the power to make decisions affecting millions of people without the people being allowed to make their own personal decisions in the matter - unless, of course, the bureaucrat(s) in question had the integrity of a saint (and a non-denominational, non-religion specific, and non-culturally biased saint at that).

    • Posted By: sportbillie11 @ 02/08/2008 1:37:14 PM

      I completely agree that the operative word is CHOOSE. If the cloning industry and the FDA are so confident that genetically modified and cloned products are safe, there should be no objection to mandatory labeling. Is it too late for produce? The special interest groups count on the public's confusion and apathy to push their agendas, we have to push back!

    • Posted By: sportbillie11 @ 02/08/2008 1:29:05 PM

      I absolutely agree that the oprative word is CHOOSE -- If the FDA and cloning industry are so confident that cloned and genetically modified products are safe, they should have no problems with mandatory labeling. It's bad enough the produce we eat is not labeled so...

  • Posted By: Tigerlily0605 @ 02/03/2008 1:14:20 PM

    I have a huge problem with animals suffering just so humans can eat meat that we don't even need to eat! For the good of all creatures and the environment, humans should become vegetarians. Cloning animals is just another horrible injustice perpetrated on animals!

  • Posted By: watercop @ 01/19/2008 4:58:32 PM

    Abherrent, cloned flesh is an abomination to God. He utterly destroyed Soddom and Gemorrah because of it. No way will I ever willingly eat a cloned animal.

    Science is of man. God demands that we obey His word and the Bible is specific about what should we should eat. Defiled flesh is on the list.

    • Posted By: observer101 @ 01/25/2008 9:26:16 PM

      I have no problem with God, the bible, or religions in general, but science is a good thing. Some of what comes from it might not be so good, a majority is of benefit to man kind. He seem to remember hearing of a scripture somewhere encouraging mankind to discover his surrounding. nothing wrong with that.

  • Posted By: watercop @ 01/20/2008 11:08:11 AM

    The cloning of our foodstuffs is another lie from the great deceiver. Defiled flesh is an abomination in the eyes of God. Can you think of a better choice for the mark of the beast?

    I am trained in electrical engineering, contributed to the space shuttle technology, served my country in the military, and, most pointedly, I am not some whack job. Once science becomes hubris and goes against the word of God it no longer serves us or Him honorably.

    Man's tinkering with God's plan and His creation of all that He gave us is another of satan's deceptions. I will never, knowingly, go against the word of God by eating defiled flesh.

    • Posted By: William.Demuth @ 01/22/2008 10:45:58 AM

      Seek Therapy, you are embarrasing yourself.

      • Posted By: observer101 @ 01/23/2008 10:27:22 AM

        Why is he embarrassing himself...because he believes in God? Maybe he has a point. Everything man has tried to make better has backfired horribly. From medications to atomic energy. Not to say that man cant try to better his existance on earth, but somethings just go too far. Im not a bible thumper but sometimes one should think beyond the realms of money.

        • Posted By: William.Demuth @ 01/23/2008 2:00:56 PM

          Satan is now equated with capitalism? Myths and superstitions have no place in rational debate. If it were left to these Luddites, we would all still be cowering in mud huts fearing the thunder.

          • Posted By: observer101 @ 01/25/2008 9:20:01 PM

            Well good thing God gave us the brains to adapt and LEARN to understand the way some things like thunder work huh?. I dont know what religion he is nor do I care, but attacking someones beliefs isnt a rational debate in itself. It must be nice to know that you believe there is nothing after death, for your sake you better hope your right. Because if there isnt.. you have nothing to look forward to..If there is something to God then your gonna have problems..:)

  • Posted By: hitman @ 01/24/2008 3:02:29 PM

    Bottom line- the fries are much worse for you than the meat

  • Posted By: observer101 @ 01/23/2008 2:02:58 PM

    All this ever boils down to is money. It doesnt matter if its healthy or not for human consumption. If theres a buck or kick backs for the governments then its good enough for them. This has been seen with all types of food and meds. What med hasnt been recalled for being deadly or damageing in some way shape or form. I think I will just stick with the tried and true foods until I die from yellow #5 food dyes or other food additives. Funny how food additives are put in to make food last longer, but makes humans die faster. But I digress, Cloning cattle for food seems awfully dangerous esp. if it really hasnt been REALLY tested in some way first. Esp if the clones are coming out with some defect. Wouldnt we be concerned about contracting some type of genetically altered disease from this. IM thinking mad cow disease, or some other strange thing we couldnt even fathom yet.

    • Posted By: Potion78 @ 01/24/2008 2:10:44 PM

      Absolutely ... there is enough funny business going on with the food we eat. We have enough health problems to worry about. Why added "Millie the Cloned Retarded Cow" to the list?

  • Posted By: tontobarhawk @ 01/22/2008 3:00:01 PM

    I think putting cloned meat into the food chain is the stupidist thing in the world. My great garndfather said this country would destroy itself once we started to rely on cloned meat and crops.

  • Posted By: William.Demuth @ 01/22/2008 10:41:05 AM

    I don't think this is the best idea!

    Cloning is essentially asexual reproduction, and will inherently lead to genetic mutations. The real issue is not so much with the cloning of an animal, but with the cloning of a clone.

    Without a pair of parents each successive generation will not have the ability to repair genetic mutations by having redundancy in its gene pool. Mutations caused by human created or random environmental elements will compound over time, with unknowable results. In addition as a byproduct of trading short term profits for genetic diversity, biodiversity will be rapidly lost, leaving our food chain vulnerable to disease.

    On a more terrifying level, if certain clone trees were to rise to dominance it would seem feasible to identify genetic vulnerabilities inherent in the root stock and then bioengineer a viral weapon to attack them.

    The reference to acquired mental retardation is a bad omen, because it clearly indicates the process is not exact, but merely a very close approximation. While the differences may be minute, when they become compounded over time, not only will we get unexpected results, I suspect we will rapidly get entirely new species.

  • Posted By: JAYQUINN2 @ 01/22/2008 10:39:05 AM

    The ranchers don't want to sell more expensive cows. Consumers want more expensive cows. We want safe meat and use antibiotics and we call foul. If mad cow spread throughout the US we would be the same ones blaming our government for not protecting us. We want diamonds at lower prices, so you have blood diamonds. We want big suv's and only one or two people ever drive them and complain about fuel and greenhouse effects. we are our own contradiction.

  • Posted By: pez_dspnsr @ 01/19/2008 4:55:11 PM

    This is the end of the human race. We're shooting ourselves in the foot. Watch this cloned meat screw around with our bodies and start killing us or mutating us. It's funny how some people post that they're okay with cloned meat as long as it's not harmful. I guess only time will tell.

    This issue is all about greed. Ranchers want to sell more of the expensive type of cow. You know what? There doesn't seem to be a beef shortage at the grocery stores. What are they going to tell us is the benefit of cloned meat? That it's cheaper? If so...I'm fine with paying the current price of beef.

    Don' t we remember that not so long ago there was a huge recall of meat due to E. Coli? What if cloned meat conjures up some stronger, more dangerous form of E. Coli or some other disease?

    • Posted By: JAYQUINN2 @ 01/22/2008 10:38:42 AM

      The ranchers don't want to sell more expensive cows. Consumers want more expensive cows. We want safe meat and use antibiotics and we call foul. If mad cow spread throughout the US we would be the same ones blaming our government for not protecting us. We want diamonds at lower prices, so you have blood diamonds. We want big suv's and only one or two people ever drive them and complain about fuel and greenhouse effects. we are our own contradiction.

    • Posted By: illuuminus @ 01/19/2008 6:29:01 PM

      Good point. I hope to Christ people will get up from the couch and make a stand against this crap before it's too late.

  • Posted By: rhondacooper @ 01/21/2008 8:40:09 AM

    I think this is invaluable research but to serve cloned meat to the public so soon may be not such an "invaluable" idea. But here is a good idea- if it is " so safe"- never mind the cost factor- lets let the FDA and govt. feed it to themselves and their family for 20 years for free- and if there are no complications or adverse effects- then we will deem it safe for the public consumption. Sounds like a plan- R Cooper

  • Posted By: PVperson @ 01/20/2008 7:40:19 PM

    I am much more concerned about what is injected or fed to a calf/cow than how it's grandparents were concieved. I see no reason to avoid the products derived from a cloned lineage alone.
    P.S. watercop, guys like you are what I want to avoid.................

  • Posted By: rudymac63 @ 01/20/2008 5:32:01 PM

    Wait a minute... Did I miss something? When did cows and bulls, or chickens and roosters, or pigs suddenly go on a sex strike? Can't they make offspring the old fashioned way anymore? Why not just play some Barry White for them, and let them do what comes naturally? Why the need to clone for food? Have we become so Puritanical that even animals can't "do it" anymore?

  • Posted By: jwbales @ 01/20/2008 2:58:58 PM

    The scientific and ethical ignorance of the general populace sometimes amazes me. The assembly line production of top-line meat animals is a triumph of reason, science and capitalism. This is wonderful news. As for those who are opposed, let them grub for roots and nuts.

  • Posted By: Zen_Frenchie @ 01/20/2008 3:19:57 AM

    This about sums it up I reckon, have we learned nothing from it?


    Classic image of a cow with BSE. A notable feature of such disease is the inability of the infected animal to stand.
    Source: APHIS

    Bovine spongiform encephalopathy (BSE), commonly known as mad-cow disease, is a fatal, neurodegenerative disease in cattle, that causes a spongy degeneration in the brain and spinal cord. BSE has a long incubation period, about 4 years, usually affecting adult cattle at a peak age onset of four to five years, all breeds being equally susceptible. [1] In the United Kingdom, the country worst affected, 179,000 cattle were infected and 4.4 million killed as a precaution.[2]
    It is believed, but not proven, that the disease may be transmitted to human beings who eat infected carcasses.[3] In humans, it is known as new variant Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease (vCJD or nvCJD), and by June 2007, it had killed 165 people in Britain, and six elsewhere[4] with the number expected to rise because of the disease's long incubation period.[citation needed] Between 460,000 and 482,000 BSE-infected animals had entered the human food chain before controls on high-risk offal were introduced in 1989.[5]
    A British inquiry into BSE concluded that the epidemic was caused by feeding cattle, who are normally herbivores, the remains of other cattle in the form of meat and bone meal (MBM), which caused the infectious agent to spread.[6][7] The origin of the disease itself remains unknown. The infectious agent is distinctive for the high temperatures at which it remains viable; this contributed to the spread of the disease in Britain, which had reduced the temperatures used during its rendering process.[6] Another contributory factor was the feeding of infected protein supplements to very young calves.[6][8]

  • Posted By: CrashFUSION @ 01/20/2008 1:27:35 AM

    There is absolutely no reason to believe that the cloned food supply is defiecient in any way. The tests preformed all have been very through, since no matter what you might think, the government does not want to kill of a majority of its population. Technology has come a long way, so if you want to believe the meat is "messed up," preform the tests yourself.

  • Posted By: CrashFUSION @ 01/20/2008 1:23:54 AM

    Unless you want to test the cloned foods yourself, accept the food agencies' word. Technology has come a long way, enough so that cloning is not a dream in the future any more.Since there is hardly any reason to believe otherwise, just eat the meat, whether it is cloned or not.

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