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Would You Like Fries With Your Clone?

European and U.S. food safety agencies have deemed cloned pigs and cows safe to eat. Should we all become vegetarians?

 
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  • Posted By: FirstZebra @ 05/08/2008 10:50:02 PM

    Comment: NOT A COMMENT>>JUST AN OPINION
    If the US ag. communty hadn't developed the cereal crop we now count on, where would the world be now?
    We had the same hue and cry over preservation IE, canning, Homogenization, radiation and now cloning'
    Therre are times when I think the human race is headed for extinction..

  • Posted By: Tigerlily0605 @ 02/03/2008 1:14:20 PM

    Comment: I have a huge problem with animals suffering just so humans can eat meat that we don't even need to eat! For the good of all creatures and the environment, humans should become vegetarians. Cloning animals is just another horrible injustice perpetrated on animals!

  • Posted By: hitman @ 01/24/2008 3:02:29 PM

    Comment: Bottom line- the fries are much worse for you than the meat

  • Posted By: observer101 @ 01/23/2008 2:02:58 PM

    Comment: All this ever boils down to is money. It doesnt matter if its healthy or not for human consumption. If theres a buck or kick backs for the governments then its good enough for them. This has been seen with all types of food and meds. What med hasnt been recalled for being deadly or damageing in some way shape or form. I think I will just stick with the tried and true foods until I die from yellow #5 food dyes or other food additives. Funny how food additives are put in to make food last longer, but makes humans die faster. But I digress, Cloning cattle for food seems awfully dangerous esp. if it really hasnt been REALLY tested in some way first. Esp if the clones are coming out with some defect. Wouldnt we be concerned about contracting some type of genetically altered disease from this. IM thinking mad cow disease, or some other strange thing we couldnt even fathom yet.

    • Posted By: Potion78 @ 01/24/2008 14:10:44

      Comment: Absolutely ... there is enough funny business going on with the food we eat. We have enough health problems to worry about. Why added "Millie the Cloned Retarded Cow" to the list?

  • Posted By: tontobarhawk @ 01/22/2008 3:00:01 PM

    Comment: I think putting cloned meat into the food chain is the stupidist thing in the world. My great garndfather said this country would destroy itself once we started to rely on cloned meat and crops.

  • Posted By: William.Demuth @ 01/22/2008 10:41:05 AM

    Comment: I don't think this is the best idea!

    Cloning is essentially asexual reproduction, and will inherently lead to genetic mutations. The real issue is not so much with the cloning of an animal, but with the cloning of a clone.

    Without a pair of parents each successive generation will not have the ability to repair genetic mutations by having redundancy in its gene pool. Mutations caused by human created or random environmental elements will compound over time, with unknowable results. In addition as a byproduct of trading short term profits for genetic diversity, biodiversity will be rapidly lost, leaving our food chain vulnerable to disease.

    On a more terrifying level, if certain clone trees were to rise to dominance it would seem feasible to identify genetic vulnerabilities inherent in the root stock and then bioengineer a viral weapon to attack them.

    The reference to acquired mental retardation is a bad omen, because it clearly indicates the process is not exact, but merely a very close approximation. While the differences may be minute, when they become compounded over time, not only will we get unexpected results, I suspect we will rapidly get entirely new species.

  • Posted By: JAYQUINN2 @ 01/22/2008 10:39:05 AM

    Comment: The ranchers don't want to sell more expensive cows. Consumers want more expensive cows. We want safe meat and use antibiotics and we call foul. If mad cow spread throughout the US we would be the same ones blaming our government for not protecting us. We want diamonds at lower prices, so you have blood diamonds. We want big suv's and only one or two people ever drive them and complain about fuel and greenhouse effects. we are our own contradiction.

  • Posted By: rhondacooper @ 01/21/2008 8:40:09 AM

    Comment: I think this is invaluable research but to serve cloned meat to the public so soon may be not such an "invaluable" idea. But here is a good idea- if it is " so safe"- never mind the cost factor- lets let the FDA and govt. feed it to themselves and their family for 20 years for free- and if there are no complications or adverse effects- then we will deem it safe for the public consumption. Sounds like a plan- R Cooper

  • Posted By: Arif @ 01/21/2008 2:06:32 AM

    Comment: I have absolutely nothing against people choosing to eat clone derived foods.

    The operative word here is CHOOSE!

    If someone has faith in owners of big agribusiness being thorough and careful enough to not put profits ahead of consumer safety, and faith in FDA officials having absolute integrity all the time - by all means, buy and eat what they want to sell you. You can make your own informed decision.

    Oh, but wait. Why don't these people want to let you and I make our own informed decisions regarding the food we eat? Could it be we might by chance make a decision that is not in THEIR interests?$$?

    The FDA has never had to recall a product they've previously approved - have they?

    And they've never ever put anyone in charge of approving something who happened to previously work for the company asking for approval - have they?

    Surely the government would never ever give any bureaucrat the power to make decisions affecting millions of people without the people being allowed to make their own personal decisions in the matter - unless, of course, the bureaucrat(s) in question had the integrity of a saint (and a non-denominational, non-religion specific, and non-culturally biased saint at that).

    • Posted By: sportbillie11 @ 02/08/2008 13:37:14

      Comment: I completely agree that the operative word is CHOOSE. If the cloning industry and the FDA are so confident that genetically modified and cloned products are safe, there should be no objection to mandatory labeling. Is it too late for produce? The special interest groups count on the public's confusion and apathy to push their agendas, we have to push back!

    • Posted By: sportbillie11 @ 02/08/2008 13:29:05

      Comment: I absolutely agree that the oprative word is CHOOSE -- If the FDA and cloning industry are so confident that cloned and genetically modified products are safe, they should have no problems with mandatory labeling. It's bad enough the produce we eat is not labeled so...

  • Posted By: PVperson @ 01/20/2008 7:40:19 PM

    Comment: I am much more concerned about what is injected or fed to a calf/cow than how it's grandparents were concieved. I see no reason to avoid the products derived from a cloned lineage alone.
    P.S. watercop, guys like you are what I want to avoid.................

  • Posted By: rudymac63 @ 01/20/2008 5:32:01 PM

    Comment: Wait a minute... Did I miss something? When did cows and bulls, or chickens and roosters, or pigs suddenly go on a sex strike? Can't they make offspring the old fashioned way anymore? Why not just play some Barry White for them, and let them do what comes naturally? Why the need to clone for food? Have we become so Puritanical that even animals can't "do it" anymore?

  • Posted By: jwbales @ 01/20/2008 2:58:58 PM

    Comment: The scientific and ethical ignorance of the general populace sometimes amazes me. The assembly line production of top-line meat animals is a triumph of reason, science and capitalism. This is wonderful news. As for those who are opposed, let them grub for roots and nuts.

  • Posted By: watercop @ 01/20/2008 11:08:11 AM

    Comment: The cloning of our foodstuffs is another lie from the great deceiver. Defiled flesh is an abomination in the eyes of God. Can you think of a better choice for the mark of the beast?

    I am trained in electrical engineering, contributed to the space shuttle technology, served my country in the military, and, most pointedly, I am not some whack job. Once science becomes hubris and goes against the word of God it no longer serves us or Him honorably.

    Man's tinkering with God's plan and His creation of all that He gave us is another of satan's deceptions. I will never, knowingly, go against the word of God by eating defiled flesh.

    • Posted By: William.Demuth @ 01/22/2008 10:45:58

      Comment: Seek Therapy, you are embarrasing yourself.

      • Posted By: observer101 @ 01/23/2008 10:27:22

        Comment: Why is he embarrassing himself...because he believes in God? Maybe he has a point. Everything man has tried to make better has backfired horribly. From medications to atomic energy. Not to say that man cant try to better his existance on earth, but somethings just go too far. Im not a bible thumper but sometimes one should think beyond the realms of money.

        • Posted By: William.Demuth @ 01/23/2008 14:00:56

          Comment: Satan is now equated with capitalism? Myths and superstitions have no place in rational debate. If it were left to these Luddites, we would all still be cowering in mud huts fearing the thunder.

          • Posted By: observer101 @ 01/25/2008 21:20:01

            Comment: Well good thing God gave us the brains to adapt and LEARN to understand the way some things like thunder work huh?. I dont know what religion he is nor do I care, but attacking someones beliefs isnt a rational debate in itself. It must be nice to know that you believe there is nothing after death, for your sake you better hope your right. Because if there isnt.. you have nothing to look forward to..If there is something to God then your gonna have problems..:)

  • Posted By: Zen_Frenchie @ 01/20/2008 3:19:57 AM

    Comment: This about sums it up I reckon, have we learned nothing from it?


    Classic image of a cow with BSE. A notable feature of such disease is the inability of the infected animal to stand.
    Source: APHIS

    Bovine spongiform encephalopathy (BSE), commonly known as mad-cow disease, is a fatal, neurodegenerative disease in cattle, that causes a spongy degeneration in the brain and spinal cord. BSE has a long incubation period, about 4 years, usually affecting adult cattle at a peak age onset of four to five years, all breeds being equally susceptible. [1] In the United Kingdom, the country worst affected, 179,000 cattle were infected and 4.4 million killed as a precaution.[2]
    It is believed, but not proven, that the disease may be transmitted to human beings who eat infected carcasses.[3] In humans, it is known as new variant Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease (vCJD or nvCJD), and by June 2007, it had killed 165 people in Britain, and six elsewhere[4] with the number expected to rise because of the disease's long incubation period.[citation needed] Between 460,000 and 482,000 BSE-infected animals had entered the human food chain before controls on high-risk offal were introduced in 1989.[5]
    A British inquiry into BSE concluded that the epidemic was caused by feeding cattle, who are normally herbivores, the remains of other cattle in the form of meat and bone meal (MBM), which caused the infectious agent to spread.[6][7] The origin of the disease itself remains unknown. The infectious agent is distinctive for the high temperatures at which it remains viable; this contributed to the spread of the disease in Britain, which had reduced the temperatures used during its rendering process.[6] Another contributory factor was the feeding of infected protein supplements to very young calves.[6][8]

  • Posted By: CrashFUSION @ 01/20/2008 1:27:35 AM

    Comment: There is absolutely no reason to believe that the cloned food supply is defiecient in any way. The tests preformed all have been very through, since no matter what you might think, the government does not want to kill of a majority of its population. Technology has come a long way, so if you want to believe the meat is "messed up," preform the tests yourself.

  • Posted By: CrashFUSION @ 01/20/2008 1:23:54 AM

    Comment: Unless you want to test the cloned foods yourself, accept the food agencies' word. Technology has come a long way, enough so that cloning is not a dream in the future any more.Since there is hardly any reason to believe otherwise, just eat the meat, whether it is cloned or not.

  • Posted By: cofee @ 01/19/2008 7:12:55 PM

    Comment: Test tube babies? No need! They are using us as unknowing subjects for their experiments and studies. What is the effect of the manipulated food and cloned animals on these people. How many additional cases of cancer, alzheimers, genetic defects, numerous illnesses are being found? There was a time when saccharine was deemed safe by the FDA. It turned out to cause cancer in lab animals. What about the latest cholesterol medicine? Why is it they don't require the foods to be labeled? THEY AREN'T SURE HOW MANY WOULD REFUSE TO BUY IT! Your babies are given milk from cows that have been given antibiotics...gee...aren't they always warning you to watch the amount of antibiotics you give your child because down the road you will have had so many antibiotics fighting an infection with some of them will be useless? Is it the way of the future to use humans as guinea pigs? Lab rats? All so they can claim to be responsible for being the first to clone something or play their own form of God? If you are worried more about where the next mall is going, or which kind of car to get next...we are in serious trouble. Your future as well as the future of all of us is at stake....demand change...Don't focus on global warming....worry about global poisoning...from genetic manipulation and cloning...all for the sake of progress.

  • Posted By: cofee @ 01/19/2008 6:50:50 PM

    Comment: I am absolutely disgusted at what these people are doing to our food supplies! What is it for, progress? Science? What about the increases in disease, cancer rates soaring, alzheimer's disease? What is causing all of this? Drink milk...it says....it will help build strong bodies and minds...sure milk from cow's that have been given antibiotics...what of the soar in MRSA cases? I truly wish I knew how to fight these people! I would not willingly buy meat from a cloned animal, foods that have been altered, or milk from cows that have been given drugs. I remember when saccharine, the sugar substitute, was claimed to be safe to use and it turned out later to cause cancer in lab animals. We are turning into a wasteful society. Build it..tear it down.. Throw it away! We waste so very much. How can I fight this? I don't want to give something to my child, believing it to be safe, only to discover in a number of years that it was giving them cancer all along and they didn't know it. FDA has given the "heads up" to drugs only to find out that it was harmful or ineffective down the road..eg: recent cholesterol/heart medicine. Are you more concerned by the vehicle you drive or what your wardrobe looks like rather that what you are ingesting? Worry greatly about the economy as you are safe...this moment...and pay down the road for the increasing health care costs. We have a right to chose whether or not we eat or drink products from cloned animals! Don't be hasty in believing that these things are safe. Worry more about what you are putting into your body than where the next mall is going to be built!....Coffee

  • Posted By: UNDIEMIA @ 01/19/2008 6:44:46 PM

    Comment: What the hack is wrong with you people, look around you.Theres going to be a shortage of food in the long run. In wheat,corn,veg: meat you name it almost everything you eat now days is clone from onething to another, oh yeah,keep on reading the book thats going to help you . GET REAL PEOPLE.

  • Posted By: 02235937 @ 01/19/2008 6:29:17 PM

    Comment: The only obvious danger in cloning is the increased narrowing of the gene pool. This is already far along with dairy, swine, and chickens. With vertical integration contract farming, swine and broilers are very standardized. The beef industry is looking to do the same. The small, diversitied farm is almost gone. These people spending $20000 to produce a clone aren't what I'd call a farmer. A good bull can handle about 30 to 35 cows in a controlled breeding season. Artificial insemination enables getting 100's or 1000's of calves, even after he's long dead. With flushing, in vetreo, and surrogate mothers, the dam can yield many offspring. Great short term; standardized product; packs nicely in the shipping box; looks good on the Walmart shelf. What happens to the diversity? Genetic diversity naturally diminishes in any population, unless other additions are made. Then the ability to adapt to new situations is lost.

  • Posted By: dreamer1021 @ 01/19/2008 6:25:52 PM

    Comment: yes i am vegetarian
    but i just want to say this is *** up in sooo many ways
    i think everything should be natural and that animal abuse and cloning altogether should go die
    yes i am very apinionated but this *** crosses the line

  • Posted By: Fred Flintstone @ 01/19/2008 6:25:07 PM

    Comment: Its just plain rong , against the laws of nature . The US government AKA the FDA is making a very poor choice in alowing this none natural meat in our local supermarkets . The very people that are supposed to protect us must be stoped now ! I cant help but wander who is linning the FDA pockets more the scientist playing GOD or these certain beef and pork producers who strive for a super breed. In short we Americans should boycott any place that distributes or sells this trash meet .

  • Posted By: illuuminus @ 01/19/2008 6:24:23 PM

    Comment: The real point here is whether we will allow these corporate controlled governmental bodies complete control over our food supply. Do you want every bit of food you consume to be manmade, processed, chemically derived, or bio-engineered? If you think it's no big deal, then perhaps it's not, for you anyway. But what about when that day comes that you begin to think a bit more intelligently, and to care about things, about people, but alas, you discover it's too late. You've seen what's happened to the water supply, have you not? Do you drink water from your tap at home anymore, as you did when you were a kid? Do you realize that a large percentage of the foods we're eating now on a daily basis fit the definition of experimental, as they have been chemically tampered to such a degree that no one really knows what harm they'll cause in the long run? Think bio-engineered foods are just as good as those that once thrived naturally on this planet? Well, maybe you can take up your argument with the bees. What do you suppose has happened to them? Oh, sorry, I forgot. You don't really care as long as you get that nice juicy steak. Mark my words... If we don't stop this insane self destrucive rollercoaster soon you'll be dining on Soylent Green, and that's not science fiction.

    • Posted By: cassandraparkes @ 05/05/2008 16:13:17

      Comment: I drink water from my tap at home and I'm jsut fine.

    • Posted By: cassandraparkes @ 05/05/2008 16:12:49

      Comment: I drink water from my tap at home and I'm just fine.

    • Posted By: moneyos @ 01/19/2008 18:32:06

      Comment: Al Gore said that global warming is going to kill billions of people in the next few years. If we dont start cloning our food, then we will starve and have to feed on each other. Dang republicans.

  • Posted By: UNDIEMIA @ 01/19/2008 6:18:09 PM

    Comment: With the world as of right now,there is and well be a shortage of food,meat,veg,wheat.etc; As i see it, don't knock-it down if you don't know what your saying.In the near furture we will be needing all the help we can get,to feed all the people---think about it?

    • Posted By: illuuminus @ 01/19/2008 19:13:04

      Comment: Great point, Undiemia. The same geniuses who have consistently tampered with the world food supply in order to increase their profits are at work here. When you say we are facing food shortages, you are absolutely correct: Manmade food shortages via all sorts of rampantly corrupt, inept, and downright evil corporate maneuvering. The reason many grains don't reproduce naturally anymore, is that corporations like Monsanto have managed to obtain patents on them. They take control of these formerly naturally occuring, abundant foods, and bio-engineer the seed so that it no longer self perpetuates. Once free rice farmers must now repurchase their product, a bio-engineered variation of what once occurred naturally, from a corrupt corporation on a yearly basis. Rice is a good example of this. Do a bit of research and you'll see what I mean. If you think these dirty, greedy bastards are going to do anything that is not in the interest of their profits, you are sadly mistaken. I guarantee you this will only serve to worsen the situation. Once every single thing you eat is completely corporate and government owned and controlled, it'll be far to late for you to change your mind.

    • Posted By: dreamer1021 @ 01/19/2008 18:27:47

      Comment: umm then why not clne them something healthy and stop animal murder in the process
      u could feed them something like whole grains, vegetables and fruits
      better for your body too and don't create as many heart, blood issues either
      just sayiing....

  • Posted By: illuuminuus @ 01/19/2008 6:07:18 PM

    Comment: Listen to me USDA and FDA... I am the consumer. You work for me, remember?? No? That's ok, cuz guess what.... YOU'RE FIRED YOU LOUSY SPINELESS, GUTLESS, SOLD OUT TURDS!!! I propose that we as citizens begin to compile lists of the individuals responsible at each level of these atrocious policy making decisions, and hold them individually responsible at the end of the day. A court imposed fine on a billion dollar corporation is not justice, and that's exactly why the corruption and abuse continues. If this is to be the way of things then we'll need to take justice into our own hands to make these evil, cowardly curs reconsider taking that payoff money.

  • Posted By: illuuminuus @ 01/19/2008 6:05:18 PM

    Comment: Listen to me USDA and FDA... I am the consumer. You work for me, remember?? No? That's ok, cuz guess what.... YOU'RE FIRED YOU LOUSY SPINELESS, GUTLESS, SOLD OUT TURDS!!! I propose that we as citizens begin to compile lists of the individuals responsible at each level of these atrocious policy making decisions, and hold them individually responsible at the end of the day. A court imposed fine on a billion dollar corporation is not justice, and that's exactly why the corruption and abuse continues. If this is to be the way of things then we'll need to take justice into our own hands to make these evil, cowardly curs reconsider taking that payoff money.

  • Posted By: people6 @ 01/19/2008 5:49:40 PM

    Comment: i don't want to eat something that is someone's GE experiment just to make them famous and get a cushy science job then suddenly drop dead!

  • Posted By: hitman @ 01/19/2008 5:49:34 PM

    Comment: Those people whom are afraid of science are a joke. They are more than willing to use it to their advantage when it suits them, but are afraid of accepting anything new that may seem strange to them. It always goes back to the bible until it absolutely can't be refuted (e.g. flat earth, earth is center of universe, evolution, etc.) Scientists are the ones that use their God-given talent the most, not the idiots afraid that discovery might go against their precious book.

  • Posted By: people6 @ 01/19/2008 5:46:22 PM

    Comment: I don't want to eat someone's science project just to make someone famous and have a cushy science job and suddunly drop dead!

  • Posted By: Airline @ 01/19/2008 5:41:46 PM

    Comment: This world is totally out of control to allow cloned animals on the dinner table. There should be a label on all meat from cloned animals. I often wonder if we are already consuming this craziness. The madness needs to stop. Whatever happened to mating of animals? Evidently the ones who makes the decisions do not eat meat. That is just down right GROSS. The more I hear, the more I want vegetables only.

  • Posted By: Airline @ 01/19/2008 5:40:44 PM

    Comment: This world is totally out of control to allow cloned animals on the dinner table. There should be a label on all meat from cloned animals. I often wonder if we are already consuming this craziness. The madness needs to stop. Whatever happened to mating of animals? Evidently the ones who makes the decisions do not eat meat. That is just down right GROSS. The more I hear, the more I want vegetables only.

  • Posted By: logical1one @ 01/19/2008 5:11:20 PM

    Comment: I don't care if it is deemed safe to eat or not. I do not want to eat someone's science project. I will not eat cloned food. If the government decides to market it it should label that food as what it is, and they should eat cloned food before it is distributed to anyone else.

  • Posted By: watercop @ 01/19/2008 5:10:07 PM

    Comment: Aberrant flesh is an abomination to God which caused Him to utterly destroy Soddom and Gemorrah. There is no way that I will ever willingly eat cloned animals.

    Science is the work of man and men are mislead by the great accuser. The Bible is specific as to what we should eat and it forbids defiled flesh.

  • Posted By: Cheap Jeep @ 01/19/2008 5:07:41 PM

    Comment: Epigenics is the study of external activators 'outside or in addition to' principle core-strand DNA. It is based on the discovery that certain encoding sequencers that effect the final endstate or activation of cellular phenotype as a functional stabilizer are NOT in the primary genetics. And that these dynamic elements may have an environmental or at least long-period (transgenerational) reset/flush period to maintain functional efficiency. I won't claim a Gaea effect but things like prions clusters and other (carcinogenic peptides may 'set the clock' on certain eventuated cancers) are not to be messed with lightly as catalyst enablers for cell growth. Until and unless we can assure ourselves that we are not eating an unstable endphase meat whose proteineic legacy is not transferrable to our own, we REALLY need to put a hold on cloned meat 'optimization' experiments.

  • Posted By: Cheap Jeep @ 01/19/2008 5:07:10 PM

    Comment: Epigenics is the study of external activators 'outside or in addition to' principle core-strand DNA. It is based on the discovery that certain encoding sequencers that effect the final endstate or activation of cellular phenotype as a functional stabilizer are NOT in the primary genetics. And that these dynamic elements may have an environmental or at least long-period (transgenerational) reset/flush period to maintain functional efficiency. I won't claim a Gaea effect but things like prions clusters and other (carcinogenic peptides may 'set the clock' on certain eventuated cancers) are not to be messed with lightly as catalyst enablers for cell growth. Until and unless we can assure ourselves that we are not eating an unstable endphase meat whose proteineic legacy is not transferrable to our own, we REALLY need to put a hold on cloned meat 'optimization' experiments.

  • Posted By: watercop @ 01/19/2008 4:58:32 PM

    Comment: Abherrent, cloned flesh is an abomination to God. He utterly destroyed Soddom and Gemorrah because of it. No way will I ever willingly eat a cloned animal.

    Science is of man. God demands that we obey His word and the Bible is specific about what should we should eat. Defiled flesh is on the list.

    • Posted By: observer101 @ 01/25/2008 21:26:16

      Comment: I have no problem with God, the bible, or religions in general, but science is a good thing. Some of what comes from it might not be so good, a majority is of benefit to man kind. He seem to remember hearing of a scripture somewhere encouraging mankind to discover his surrounding. nothing wrong with that.

  • Posted By: pez_dspnsr @ 01/19/2008 4:55:11 PM

    Comment: This is the end of the human race. We're shooting ourselves in the foot. Watch this cloned meat screw around with our bodies and start killing us or mutating us. It's funny how some people post that they're okay with cloned meat as long as it's not harmful. I guess only time will tell.

    This issue is all about greed. Ranchers want to sell more of the expensive type of cow. You know what? There doesn't seem to be a beef shortage at the grocery stores. What are they going to tell us is the benefit of cloned meat? That it's cheaper? If so...I'm fine with paying the current price of beef.

    Don' t we remember that not so long ago there was a huge recall of meat due to E. Coli? What if cloned meat conjures up some stronger, more dangerous form of E. Coli or some other disease?

    • Posted By: JAYQUINN2 @ 01/22/2008 10:38:42

      Comment: The ranchers don't want to sell more expensive cows. Consumers want more expensive cows. We want safe meat and use antibiotics and we call foul. If mad cow spread throughout the US we would be the same ones blaming our government for not protecting us. We want diamonds at lower prices, so you have blood diamonds. We want big suv's and only one or two people ever drive them and complain about fuel and greenhouse effects. we are our own contradiction.

    • Posted By: illuuminus @ 01/19/2008 18:29:01

      Comment: Good point. I hope to Christ people will get up from the couch and make a stand against this crap before it's too late.

  • Posted By: justfood @ 01/19/2008 4:51:13 PM

    Comment: The fact that there is even a debate about this is an illustration of the sad state our nation's approach to food, animals, and agriculture is in. There is no reason to clone cows or any other animal. That is not the solution. The solution is to get animals out of CAFOs and back onto pastures, to stop treating them as meat-making machines and let them do what they were born naturally to do - give them good things to eat so that when we eat them, we eat the good things they ate, and not the horrible mushed up corn and antibiotic mixture that is currently being force-fed to cows and other animals stuffed backside to backside in unsanitary feedlots. The solution is not to clone. But, the issues is that there is most likely money in cloning - there's always profit to be made, and the FDA has once again illustrated that what it cares most about is helping corporations make profit, - who cares about the health and wellbeing of people, or even those animals that provide us with food. The real kicker here is that the FDA, again thanks to the loud and careless voices of corporations and people who want to make a buck. doesn't want to allow foods that are not from cloned fake animal sources to be labeled as such. Where do my rights fall in this situation? I want to eat food that I am sure about, not food that might or might not be mystery meat. I will simply stop buying all meat and dairy and the products made with milk and dairy unless I know for sure the source.The same goes for GM food and milk from cows treated with growth hormones - I don't want to be the sucker who helps monsanto make a profit while farmers, cows, and consumers suffer the consequences. The real issue we need to focus on is the environment and our health - how does cloning cows help the environment? How does it help our health? The answer to both questions is, it doesn't. It is a stupid and unnecessary science experiment that is a diversion from the real issues but also an illustration of the lengths people will go for money and the uselessness of the FDA for even considering this as a remotely good idea. We all need to eat. We should all have a say in how our food is produced. We should have the right to voice our concerns and say no to being subjected to some ridiculous science project - label foods, consumers want transparency, we deserve it and we can make our own decisions. And stop thinking cloning is a good idea. I don't think people know the full consequences of this act - science doesn't think about the future, about the 7th generation. Neither do corporations. All that matters to them is the here and the now, getting money, making the big breakthrough discovery first, and all the rest be damned. We deserve better than this. We deserve true ecology, true sustainability, and true democracy in all areas of our lives, especially the one that takes place three times a day and is necessary for our survival: eating.

    • Posted By: 2concerned @ 01/19/2008 19:03:39

      Comment: I 100% agree. Thank you for your comment!

  • Posted By: MissDemeanor @ 01/19/2008 4:18:19 PM

    Comment: Hmm...mental retardation in cows that are cloned? Does that mean they'd sleep actually lying down instead of sleeping standing up?

    • Posted By: illuuminus @ 01/19/2008 18:25:35

      Comment: Excellent post my friend! Thank you for making a stand.

  • Posted By: G Raymond @ 01/19/2008 9:51:27 AM

    Comment: "... the possibility remains that some may harbor subtle genetic defects that could impair their health or make them unsafe for consumption" Or should that have been "epigenetic defect?"

    As anyone taking Chemistry 101 finds out, it is statistically possible that all of the air molecules in a room could suddenly move to one side of the room, leaving you standing in a vacuum. What are we doing about that?

    Clones - wow! I'm so worried about the health effects of cloned food that I've got to go light up a cigarette and go for a drive.

  • Posted By: G Raymond @ 01/19/2008 9:41:13 AM

    Comment: "There is some evidence that cloned animals show a higher propensity for developmental problems, such as mental retardation."

    Twins watch out - there's some evidence you may be retarded. I wonder if the author is a twin?

    • Posted By: mfenwick @ 01/19/2008 17:29:00

      Comment: Does this mean that eating a retarded cow will make us retarded as well? I've always wondered what was wrong with those young hooligans down the street from me. They both work at McDonald's.

  • Posted By: G Raymond @ 01/19/2008 9:36:31 AM

    Comment: "Just because you make a creature that has the exact same DNA as a prize cow, does that mean the creature will also be a prize cow? Or could it be something else???something harmful to eat?"

    Twins are natural clones; which one should be banned?
    How do we know that an animal with an unique DNA from the combination of its parent's DNA is safe to eat?.

    What an idiot. I'd rather eat the clone with the identical DNA

    • Posted By: illuuminus @ 01/19/2008 18:33:42

      Comment: Ok genius. Does this mean you'll be giving up your rights to make an informed choice on the matter? Becuz that's where this is going.

  • Posted By: quantumspock @ 01/19/2008 7:47:22 AM

    Comment: "With such a price tag, elite cows aren't allowed to bear calves at the natural rate of one per year. Farmers insist on a blistering 10 to 20 births a year."

    Since the gestation period is the same for a cow as for a human, I'm wondering just how they might accomplish this. I don't see a cow having 10 to 20 calves at the same time, but who knows. Even though that fact may be erroneous, I don't want to eat cloned meat. Even those that think cloned meat is a good idea can understand that others don't share their view. I would want labels so we are free to choose what we think is best for our family.

    I can't say that I trust the USDA to determine what is safe. Just as the FDA has approved drugs (which were later shown to be very harmful) very quickly and without long-range studies, I fear this will happen with cloned meat.

    • Posted By: illuuminus @ 01/19/2008 18:34:57

      Comment: Exactly right!

  • Posted By: paulning @ 01/19/2008 6:44:03 AM

    Comment: I don't really care about whether my food is cloned or not as long as it is unharmful.

  • Posted By: paulning @ 01/19/2008 6:43:00 AM

    Comment: I am OK with cloning food as long as it is proved to be unharmful.

    • Posted By: illuuminus @ 01/19/2008 18:42:20

      Comment: Are you truly so naive as to think that they will take the time to prove it conclusively?? That would take 20 years I'm afraid. Listen to me, anything that means increased profits for the corporate sponsors should rightly be suspect. They are absolutely not doing this to benefit the public. And, the scary part is, that it will most likely pass whether you like it or not. Doesn't that cause you any hesitation?

  • Posted By: jazzbebop @ 01/19/2008 1:01:36 AM

    Comment: Well, at least we know that cloned animals have a higher propensity for developmental problems... but it shouldn't pass down to us. I wonder how many years of that study we have data for?

  • Posted By: Potion78 @ 01/18/2008 7:26:31 PM

    Comment: I will be joining you psyco. I remember Phen Fen diet pill crazy and how long it took for the FDA to figure out it was killing people. I haven't eaten meat products from the Pig or the Cow for over 9 yrs now. I was fine with dairy products but after reading this artical and knowing that this process hasn't truly been tested, I'll pass on the butter, milk and eggs too. I have enough wrong with me then to be trying to add mad cow or "cow retardation" to the list. I'm going to give up poultry as well I'm pretty sure the FDA get enough people buying cloned beef and pork it's heading straight for the birds.

    • Posted By: illuuminus @ 01/19/2008 18:43:45

      Comment: Exactly my friend. What are we doing to our world?? It seems we're only a few short steps away from Soylent Green!

    • Posted By: mfenwick @ 01/18/2008 19:43:19

      Comment: What will you eat when the FDA claims that veggies are bad for you? Don't believe all this bull@@@ you read about cruelty to animals and how bad meat is for you. Those who propagate such nonsense have a political agenda. Most of them would rather share the earth with a cow or a blade of grass that with a fellow human being.

      • Posted By: jazzbebop @ 01/19/2008 01:05:07

        Comment: Seems like the only political agenda is with those politicians and the members of the FDA that say there is nothing wrong with it and pass it off to us, the consumer. Of course we cannot even agree to whether tobacco is harmful for you... it appears if it is an industry that makes money, the government turns the other cheek. So, sure.... eat all the cloned meat you want.... we can figure it out in 15 years if it does any damage.

        • Posted By: illuuminus @ 01/19/2008 18:48:34

          Comment: That's right! I dont mind you experimenting on me and everyone I love. Go ahead! As long as it'll stimulate the economy. Heh heh, uh... Say, maybe they can clone George Bush so they can keep him in office for another term on the technicality.

    • Posted By: Potion78 @ 01/18/2008 19:35:07

      Comment: *Misspelled the word article ... I learned from previous postings that a word spelled incorrectly starts petty strings of replys. So I just started letting everyone know that I'm aware of it.

  • Posted By: psyco @ 01/18/2008 6:50:52 PM

    Comment: I have been a Vegan for 2 years because of the treatment of animals that are teated cruely just so that people may have a "steak" on their plate.....I am so glad I am a Vegan and because of articles like this one will continue my choice.

    • Posted By: moneyos @ 01/19/2008 18:21:44

      Comment: I only eat vegetarian animals. I would think that the NOW gang would be all for cloning. If you can start cloning humans, then you can get rid of those pesky men and we can all live in a dykish, sexless world. Yeah, howdy.

  • Posted By: Bullsfan @ 01/18/2008 4:32:15 PM

    Comment: gross.

  • Posted By: sjbrock80 @ 01/18/2008 3:29:36 PM

    Comment: Bring on the cloned steak! As long as it doesn't make people sick or have any weird side affects different than the real steak, why not eat it?

    The biggest reason people are wary of cloned animals is because of the movies. No one would freak out about cloned lettuce or pickles.

    • Posted By: jazzbebop @ 01/19/2008 01:06:16

      Comment: Cloned lettuce or pickles? phhh... give me a break. Ya... all those movies of cloned animals are freaking me right out~

  • Posted By: nirak @ 01/18/2008 2:53:47 PM

    Comment: No way would I touch that stuff, I rather go without.

  • Posted By: DeltaVex @ 01/18/2008 2:29:43 PM

    Comment: Cloned, not cloned, I'll take pleasure in eating a nice steak regardless. Cloning livestock may be a viable way to increase the quality of beef and drive down prices at the same time, so why not at least give it a try? I bet when you were a toddler you didn't want to eat your spinach, either.

    • Posted By: illuuminus @ 01/19/2008 18:54:23

      Comment: Of course! Everything's better when it's man-made, right?

    • Posted By: jazzbebop @ 01/19/2008 01:07:20

      Comment: Cloning probably will make the steak taste better... and the milk better too.... pretty soon we'll all be moooooing...Enter Your Comment

 
 
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