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  • Posted By: UNDIEMIA @ 01/19/2008 6:18:09 PM

    With the world as of right now,there is and well be a shortage of food,meat,veg,wheat.etc; As i see it, don't knock-it down if you don't know what your saying.In the near furture we will be needing all the help we can get,to feed all the people---think about it?

    • Posted By: illuuminus @ 01/19/2008 7:13:04 PM

      Great point, Undiemia. The same geniuses who have consistently tampered with the world food supply in order to increase their profits are at work here. When you say we are facing food shortages, you are absolutely correct: Manmade food shortages via all sorts of rampantly corrupt, inept, and downright evil corporate maneuvering. The reason many grains don't reproduce naturally anymore, is that corporations like Monsanto have managed to obtain patents on them. They take control of these formerly naturally occuring, abundant foods, and bio-engineer the seed so that it no longer self perpetuates. Once free rice farmers must now repurchase their product, a bio-engineered variation of what once occurred naturally, from a corrupt corporation on a yearly basis. Rice is a good example of this. Do a bit of research and you'll see what I mean. If you think these dirty, greedy bastards are going to do anything that is not in the interest of their profits, you are sadly mistaken. I guarantee you this will only serve to worsen the situation. Once every single thing you eat is completely corporate and government owned and controlled, it'll be far to late for you to change your mind.

    • Posted By: dreamer1021 @ 01/19/2008 6:27:47 PM

      umm then why not clne them something healthy and stop animal murder in the process
      u could feed them something like whole grains, vegetables and fruits
      better for your body too and don't create as many heart, blood issues either
      just sayiing....

  • Posted By: cofee @ 01/19/2008 7:12:55 PM

    Test tube babies? No need! They are using us as unknowing subjects for their experiments and studies. What is the effect of the manipulated food and cloned animals on these people. How many additional cases of cancer, alzheimers, genetic defects, numerous illnesses are being found? There was a time when saccharine was deemed safe by the FDA. It turned out to cause cancer in lab animals. What about the latest cholesterol medicine? Why is it they don't require the foods to be labeled? THEY AREN'T SURE HOW MANY WOULD REFUSE TO BUY IT! Your babies are given milk from cows that have been given antibiotics...gee...aren't they always warning you to watch the amount of antibiotics you give your child because down the road you will have had so many antibiotics fighting an infection with some of them will be useless? Is it the way of the future to use humans as guinea pigs? Lab rats? All so they can claim to be responsible for being the first to clone something or play their own form of God? If you are worried more about where the next mall is going, or which kind of car to get next...we are in serious trouble. Your future as well as the future of all of us is at stake....demand change...Don't focus on global warming....worry about global poisoning...from genetic manipulation and cloning...all for the sake of progress.

  • Posted By: justfood @ 01/19/2008 4:51:13 PM

    The fact that there is even a debate about this is an illustration of the sad state our nation's approach to food, animals, and agriculture is in. There is no reason to clone cows or any other animal. That is not the solution. The solution is to get animals out of CAFOs and back onto pastures, to stop treating them as meat-making machines and let them do what they were born naturally to do - give them good things to eat so that when we eat them, we eat the good things they ate, and not the horrible mushed up corn and antibiotic mixture that is currently being force-fed to cows and other animals stuffed backside to backside in unsanitary feedlots. The solution is not to clone. But, the issues is that there is most likely money in cloning - there's always profit to be made, and the FDA has once again illustrated that what it cares most about is helping corporations make profit, - who cares about the health and wellbeing of people, or even those animals that provide us with food. The real kicker here is that the FDA, again thanks to the loud and careless voices of corporations and people who want to make a buck. doesn't want to allow foods that are not from cloned fake animal sources to be labeled as such. Where do my rights fall in this situation? I want to eat food that I am sure about, not food that might or might not be mystery meat. I will simply stop buying all meat and dairy and the products made with milk and dairy unless I know for sure the source.The same goes for GM food and milk from cows treated with growth hormones - I don't want to be the sucker who helps monsanto make a profit while farmers, cows, and consumers suffer the consequences. The real issue we need to focus on is the environment and our health - how does cloning cows help the environment? How does it help our health? The answer to both questions is, it doesn't. It is a stupid and unnecessary science experiment that is a diversion from the real issues but also an illustration of the lengths people will go for money and the uselessness of the FDA for even considering this as a remotely good idea. We all need to eat. We should all have a say in how our food is produced. We should have the right to voice our concerns and say no to being subjected to some ridiculous science project - label foods, consumers want transparency, we deserve it and we can make our own decisions. And stop thinking cloning is a good idea. I don't think people know the full consequences of this act - science doesn't think about the future, about the 7th generation. Neither do corporations. All that matters to them is the here and the now, getting money, making the big breakthrough discovery first, and all the rest be damned. We deserve better than this. We deserve true ecology, true sustainability, and true democracy in all areas of our lives, especially the one that takes place three times a day and is necessary for our survival: eating.

    • Posted By: 2concerned @ 01/19/2008 7:03:39 PM

      I 100% agree. Thank you for your comment!

  • Posted By: DeltaVex @ 01/18/2008 2:29:43 PM

    Cloned, not cloned, I'll take pleasure in eating a nice steak regardless. Cloning livestock may be a viable way to increase the quality of beef and drive down prices at the same time, so why not at least give it a try? I bet when you were a toddler you didn't want to eat your spinach, either.

    • Posted By: illuuminus @ 01/19/2008 6:54:23 PM

      Of course! Everything's better when it's man-made, right?

    • Posted By: jazzbebop @ 01/19/2008 1:07:20 AM

      Cloning probably will make the steak taste better... and the milk better too.... pretty soon we'll all be moooooing...Enter Your Comment

  • Posted By: cofee @ 01/19/2008 6:50:50 PM

    I am absolutely disgusted at what these people are doing to our food supplies! What is it for, progress? Science? What about the increases in disease, cancer rates soaring, alzheimer's disease? What is causing all of this? Drink milk...it says....it will help build strong bodies and minds...sure milk from cow's that have been given antibiotics...what of the soar in MRSA cases? I truly wish I knew how to fight these people! I would not willingly buy meat from a cloned animal, foods that have been altered, or milk from cows that have been given drugs. I remember when saccharine, the sugar substitute, was claimed to be safe to use and it turned out later to cause cancer in lab animals. We are turning into a wasteful society. Build it..tear it down.. Throw it away! We waste so very much. How can I fight this? I don't want to give something to my child, believing it to be safe, only to discover in a number of years that it was giving them cancer all along and they didn't know it. FDA has given the "heads up" to drugs only to find out that it was harmful or ineffective down the road..eg: recent cholesterol/heart medicine. Are you more concerned by the vehicle you drive or what your wardrobe looks like rather that what you are ingesting? Worry greatly about the economy as you are safe...this moment...and pay down the road for the increasing health care costs. We have a right to chose whether or not we eat or drink products from cloned animals! Don't be hasty in believing that these things are safe. Worry more about what you are putting into your body than where the next mall is going to be built!....Coffee

  • Posted By: Potion78 @ 01/18/2008 7:26:31 PM

    I will be joining you psyco. I remember Phen Fen diet pill crazy and how long it took for the FDA to figure out it was killing people. I haven't eaten meat products from the Pig or the Cow for over 9 yrs now. I was fine with dairy products but after reading this artical and knowing that this process hasn't truly been tested, I'll pass on the butter, milk and eggs too. I have enough wrong with me then to be trying to add mad cow or "cow retardation" to the list. I'm going to give up poultry as well I'm pretty sure the FDA get enough people buying cloned beef and pork it's heading straight for the birds.

    • Posted By: mfenwick @ 01/18/2008 7:43:19 PM

      What will you eat when the FDA claims that veggies are bad for you? Don't believe all this bull@@@ you read about cruelty to animals and how bad meat is for you. Those who propagate such nonsense have a political agenda. Most of them would rather share the earth with a cow or a blade of grass that with a fellow human being.

      • Posted By: jazzbebop @ 01/19/2008 1:05:07 AM

        Seems like the only political agenda is with those politicians and the members of the FDA that say there is nothing wrong with it and pass it off to us, the consumer. Of course we cannot even agree to whether tobacco is harmful for you... it appears if it is an industry that makes money, the government turns the other cheek. So, sure.... eat all the cloned meat you want.... we can figure it out in 15 years if it does any damage.

        • Posted By: illuuminus @ 01/19/2008 6:48:34 PM

          That's right! I dont mind you experimenting on me and everyone I love. Go ahead! As long as it'll stimulate the economy. Heh heh, uh... Say, maybe they can clone George Bush so they can keep him in office for another term on the technicality.

    • Posted By: illuuminus @ 01/19/2008 6:43:45 PM

      Exactly my friend. What are we doing to our world?? It seems we're only a few short steps away from Soylent Green!

    • Posted By: Potion78 @ 01/18/2008 7:35:07 PM

      *Misspelled the word article ... I learned from previous postings that a word spelled incorrectly starts petty strings of replys. So I just started letting everyone know that I'm aware of it.

  • Posted By: UNDIEMIA @ 01/19/2008 6:44:46 PM

    What the hack is wrong with you people, look around you.Theres going to be a shortage of food in the long run. In wheat,corn,veg: meat you name it almost everything you eat now days is clone from onething to another, oh yeah,keep on reading the book thats going to help you . GET REAL PEOPLE.

  • Posted By: paulning @ 01/19/2008 6:43:00 AM

    I am OK with cloning food as long as it is proved to be unharmful.

    • Posted By: illuuminus @ 01/19/2008 6:42:20 PM

      Are you truly so naive as to think that they will take the time to prove it conclusively?? That would take 20 years I'm afraid. Listen to me, anything that means increased profits for the corporate sponsors should rightly be suspect. They are absolutely not doing this to benefit the public. And, the scary part is, that it will most likely pass whether you like it or not. Doesn't that cause you any hesitation?

  • Posted By: quantumspock @ 01/19/2008 7:47:22 AM

    "With such a price tag, elite cows aren't allowed to bear calves at the natural rate of one per year. Farmers insist on a blistering 10 to 20 births a year."

    Since the gestation period is the same for a cow as for a human, I'm wondering just how they might accomplish this. I don't see a cow having 10 to 20 calves at the same time, but who knows. Even though that fact may be erroneous, I don't want to eat cloned meat. Even those that think cloned meat is a good idea can understand that others don't share their view. I would want labels so we are free to choose what we think is best for our family.

    I can't say that I trust the USDA to determine what is safe. Just as the FDA has approved drugs (which were later shown to be very harmful) very quickly and without long-range studies, I fear this will happen with cloned meat.

  • Posted By: G Raymond @ 01/19/2008 9:36:31 AM

    "Just because you make a creature that has the exact same DNA as a prize cow, does that mean the creature will also be a prize cow? Or could it be something else???something harmful to eat?"

    Twins are natural clones; which one should be banned?
    How do we know that an animal with an unique DNA from the combination of its parent's DNA is safe to eat?.

    What an idiot. I'd rather eat the clone with the identical DNA

    • Posted By: illuuminus @ 01/19/2008 6:33:42 PM

      Ok genius. Does this mean you'll be giving up your rights to make an informed choice on the matter? Becuz that's where this is going.

  • Posted By: 02235937 @ 01/19/2008 6:29:17 PM

    The only obvious danger in cloning is the increased narrowing of the gene pool. This is already far along with dairy, swine, and chickens. With vertical integration contract farming, swine and broilers are very standardized. The beef industry is looking to do the same. The small, diversitied farm is almost gone. These people spending $20000 to produce a clone aren't what I'd call a farmer. A good bull can handle about 30 to 35 cows in a controlled breeding season. Artificial insemination enables getting 100's or 1000's of calves, even after he's long dead. With flushing, in vetreo, and surrogate mothers, the dam can yield many offspring. Great short term; standardized product; packs nicely in the shipping box; looks good on the Walmart shelf. What happens to the diversity? Genetic diversity naturally diminishes in any population, unless other additions are made. Then the ability to adapt to new situations is lost.

  • Posted By: dreamer1021 @ 01/19/2008 6:25:52 PM

    yes i am vegetarian
    but i just want to say this is *** up in sooo many ways
    i think everything should be natural and that animal abuse and cloning altogether should go die
    yes i am very apinionated but this *** crosses the line

  • Posted By: MissDemeanor @ 01/19/2008 4:18:19 PM

    Hmm...mental retardation in cows that are cloned? Does that mean they'd sleep actually lying down instead of sleeping standing up?

    • Posted By: illuuminus @ 01/19/2008 6:25:35 PM

      Excellent post my friend! Thank you for making a stand.

  • Posted By: Fred Flintstone @ 01/19/2008 6:25:07 PM

    Its just plain rong , against the laws of nature . The US government AKA the FDA is making a very poor choice in alowing this none natural meat in our local supermarkets . The very people that are supposed to protect us must be stoped now ! I cant help but wander who is linning the FDA pockets more the scientist playing GOD or these certain beef and pork producers who strive for a super breed. In short we Americans should boycott any place that distributes or sells this trash meet .

  • Posted By: psyco @ 01/18/2008 6:50:52 PM

    I have been a Vegan for 2 years because of the treatment of animals that are teated cruely just so that people may have a "steak" on their plate.....I am so glad I am a Vegan and because of articles like this one will continue my choice.

    • Posted By: moneyos @ 01/19/2008 6:21:44 PM

      I only eat vegetarian animals. I would think that the NOW gang would be all for cloning. If you can start cloning humans, then you can get rid of those pesky men and we can all live in a dykish, sexless world. Yeah, howdy.

  • Posted By: illuuminuus @ 01/19/2008 6:07:18 PM

    Listen to me USDA and FDA... I am the consumer. You work for me, remember?? No? That's ok, cuz guess what.... YOU'RE FIRED YOU LOUSY SPINELESS, GUTLESS, SOLD OUT TURDS!!! I propose that we as citizens begin to compile lists of the individuals responsible at each level of these atrocious policy making decisions, and hold them individually responsible at the end of the day. A court imposed fine on a billion dollar corporation is not justice, and that's exactly why the corruption and abuse continues. If this is to be the way of things then we'll need to take justice into our own hands to make these evil, cowardly curs reconsider taking that payoff money.

  • Posted By: illuuminuus @ 01/19/2008 6:05:18 PM

    Listen to me USDA and FDA... I am the consumer. You work for me, remember?? No? That's ok, cuz guess what.... YOU'RE FIRED YOU LOUSY SPINELESS, GUTLESS, SOLD OUT TURDS!!! I propose that we as citizens begin to compile lists of the individuals responsible at each level of these atrocious policy making decisions, and hold them individually responsible at the end of the day. A court imposed fine on a billion dollar corporation is not justice, and that's exactly why the corruption and abuse continues. If this is to be the way of things then we'll need to take justice into our own hands to make these evil, cowardly curs reconsider taking that payoff money.

  • Posted By: people6 @ 01/19/2008 5:49:40 PM

    i don't want to eat something that is someone's GE experiment just to make them famous and get a cushy science job then suddenly drop dead!

  • Posted By: hitman @ 01/19/2008 5:49:34 PM

    Those people whom are afraid of science are a joke. They are more than willing to use it to their advantage when it suits them, but are afraid of accepting anything new that may seem strange to them. It always goes back to the bible until it absolutely can't be refuted (e.g. flat earth, earth is center of universe, evolution, etc.) Scientists are the ones that use their God-given talent the most, not the idiots afraid that discovery might go against their precious book.

  • Posted By: people6 @ 01/19/2008 5:46:22 PM

    I don't want to eat someone's science project just to make someone famous and have a cushy science job and suddunly drop dead!

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