‘Demons in the Dark’

What is normal? What is well-adjusted?

THAT, creptylou, is the question.

Is mental health a matter of being "well-adjusted" to a sick society?

Religion views reality as a history already written, while science views reality as a mystery in need of unfolding.

Which side is right? Who the hell cares? Both sides act like little kids throwing rocks at one another in a grammar school playground.

We're so busy throwing rocks at one another we'll never even notice when the first actual UFO lands on this planet.

That was my whole initial point in submitting something regarding this article.
There is a range of 'normal' behavior.
Many psychological tests pertain to a range of categories normal and abnormal.
It would seem that hallucination is not the norm.Is this clinically a fact?
What they are suggesting.Hogwash.
This article has the tone of "patting us on the backs condescendingly and saying "this is what
all this REALLY is" This is Intellectually disingenuous.
Eyes do funny things to images,but ive never seen a spaceship the size of a football field.
I would be surprised if someone saw such a thing, not just because it is unusual.
But weve also been told that for that big ship to exist is 'abnormal'.
So, then , they throw it back on the viewer that it then must be some kind of projection or
flawed perception.
Yes some people have misperceived things or even 'projected' them .It seems neither intuitive
or scientific to presume that is the norm.

The "people see what they want to see" argument as it pertains to phlisophies(people believing what
they wish or seeing what they wish.That inclination to behave in such a way will always be around.
Most people 'retrofit' their beliefs , engraved in stone, with the outside world(those belief systems that
conform to what they already think that they know) , whose
minds are not interested in being changed.
But the "people see what they want to see" rationale has become the mantra of the skeptics who
are malignantly and polemically set in their ways.

Plenty of sincere, respectable people have reported seeing things they honestly can't explain. And plenty of people have perpetrated hoaxes and faked a lot of photographs just to get themselves a little attention.

The latter group obviously makes it harder for the former group to be taken seriously.

As for me, I belong to the middle group: I''ve honestly seen a lot of things I EXPECTED to see. Years ago I was part of a mountain climbing team that got separated during our descent by a snowstorm. My half of the team reached the base of the mountain as the storm was lifting. We spent the next hour with our eyes glued to the upper slopes, anxious to spot the other half of our team. During that time I literally saw rocks move. Through my binoculars I could see dark objects in the snow which were roughly the size and shape of people. And the more I watched those objects, the more they seemed to be MOVING down the slope. For several minutes I was absolutely certain those rocks were our teammates.

Of course that's an extreme example of the phenomenon. On a regular basis my brain temporarily "morphs" an object into something it isn''t. When I'm speeding on the freeway my brain tends to convert all kinds of approaching vehicles into a highway patrol cruiser.

My point is this: I'm sure that plenty of people have seen inexplicable things that are probably real. And there's no question that plenty of people have pretended to see things that aren't real at all. So where does that leave the rest of us? Trying to squeeze our experiences into a size and shape that matches our preconceived notions of reality?

creptylou:

Like you, I don???t blog a lot. But the Stephenville incident caught my eye because it was reported by a number of mainstream news sources like Newsweek magazine.

I???ve tried to make my posts on this site stir up some new questions and arguments about UFOs.

So far it hasn???t worked. So far it???s been like challenging people???s ideas about politics and religion. People already know what they WANT to know, and they resent my intrusion into their own cozy little concept of reality.

How would I begin to guess what they are thinking?
It is interesting to me that the first reflex is to devalue ourselves as mere knaves when there
realization that there is a more advanced, other civilization.
The appearance of them ,studying us would suggest the goldfish bowl description.
But if they are so smart why have they apparently been here as long as we have in their
little aerial go carts?
But they could also be participating in our lives in some way that weve not detected.
They may even be protecting us from something worse than some unfortunate things that happen to us here.

So,
our concept of religion could be unchanged by a visitation, it could be 'ruined' also.
It could be modified, it could also be greatly heightened, in scope of understanding or lack of
ambiguity of Gods existence.It could remove any doubt of a 'spiritual plane'.




No according to what is still only 'folklore' but I think some of those witnesses are telling the truth,
those 'entities' are mortal.Again for the sake of argument , if these entities had died in ufo crashes
then they are mortal.
Existence of other beings does not preclude or negate a spiritual belief system.
They could be quite spiritual.
The mistake is to equate them as being synonymous with a religious entity.
What if they created us? Would that make them God , historically, or factually?
Even if the bible is literal with its mythological imagery,..other writings transcend mere description of phenomena and describe a spiritual universe..

Perhaps they have a God to whom they pray.
There will be the "technocrats" and the vitriolic atheists, who want us all to embrace the smug and
sober, "scientific revelation of the month" that too cleverly negates with a fail swoop all the
value of positivity and hope ,..and the civilization that was produced by those drives that pushed us forward.
Their viewpoints as do many in this Newsweek article, become, almost, summarily obsolete.
Should any of this ufo stuff be even more in the public eye there will be a lot of people who
will use their existence to buffet up their own belief system ...as an 'I told you so' for the doomsdayers,
as a "second coming" for the religious zealots, an opportunity for more self-flagellation for the guilt ridden.
The list goes on.

creptylou:

You still haven't answered my question.

Are we merely fish to alien observers?

Will the arrival of aliens ruin all our concepts of religion?

Will we be glad when all our concepts of religion have been ruined?

By the way I was not calling your comment stupid, .. not at all.. what do I know..
I was just being honest regardless as to whether it sounded stupid , or not.

easy Frank, and....Easy...Frank...
Go' think tank' and not be afraid of being criticized for being stupid , here goes on my part.
A)They created us?Horrifying to some but....(silly but what do we know)
B)So what 'they' according to now .more fully disclosed folklore ,with top secret guys,they can die in ufo accidents, they're mortal.
C)this doesnt mean there isnt a God. That is another level of stuff we dont get.
d)No, were not stupid or evil , or fatally flawed, or self hating , that has nothing to do with it.
e)There are unforseen social consequences of those who are afraid of the reality of other entities,
which could cause unrest so disclosure of any knowledge of such things is not aggressively sought..
F)They do not want to broach the protocol for introducing themselves and because of our elaborate
defense system this gives them mixed signals.
G)They HAVE, communicated with members of our culture but it has been kept covert,
H)They are on some kind of alert to watch for patterns of toxification of our environment,because there
is some undisclosed affiliation with ourselves and them.
I)The outlook that, we can better ourselves ,and our quality of life ,may not be misguided and as much
victim to cynicism and futility as we might think.
We've only had electricity for 100 years give or take... come on?
j)They hate us or are at best indifferent, whether we are an experiment of theirs or not
we might be expendable.
K)I doubt that, if they wanted us to suffer , and they think that way they could have done that ,
probably.
L)They dont think in a way that relates fully to any of the above concepts at all
M)Maybe they care if we perish because there is 'good and bad',, but the other philosophies of life which we are used to are not
remotely abided by.
0)could be anything, Ive never seen a ufo , but the case stories are piling up.
p)Im a little skeptical of all these NASA claims , suddenly about 'finding life' ,when there may
be a little hanky panky regarding full forthcomingness on the part of what has been witnessed
by that organization that should FULLY subject to scientific analysis with the objective of
definitive conclusion regarding aerial anomalies.Sounds like they are trying to beat the clock to
public scrutiny.

Okay, homey1cannoby suggests an advanced civilization might be observing us like fish in a fishbowl, while creptylou raises the issue of how two interstellar species might be prone to mis-communication..

I think both of these comments are valid topics for debate, but I also think they bring us back to my original question: Why would a really smart life-form travel a hundred trillion miles through space to observe and/or establish communication with fish?

If you have as much time on your hands as I obviously do then go to this site: http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/cropcircle.htm

It's a bird! It's a plane! It's a bird cage! http://www.coasttocoastam.com/gen/page2022.html?theme=light

Lucy Pringle part 2. Try duplicating this in your backyard during the wee hours: http://www.lucypringle.co.uk/articles/crabwood/ . If you have difficult time copying this URL simply highlight it, right click, copy then paste into you address bar above.

I find the whole subject very entertaining and even if it's all a wash which I doubt, it is still worth the time to research. The only problem is that over the years of digging for the truth we are ending up with a good case of analysis paralysis we're going in circles. Thinking of that I'm reminded of Lucy Pringle who has taken it upon herself to document crop circles in England and if you haven't already I suggest visiting her sight at http://www.lucypringle.co.uk/. It's well worth the time spent.

Even the parameters of protocol that we apply in terms of figuring out why they aren't 'communnicating'
may not apply , that style of diplomatic etiquette is an outgrowth of diplomacy amongst ourselves.Not between
us and an alien culture.(they might be trying anyway)But they might just be observing.
Also ,there is a safety factor in both sides not taking action.
Like Reagan with the russians ,except the mantra there was ,,"keep talking" to stave off
any military consequences.In this instance if we dont engage , then we don't
have to enter into any kind of uforseen,political transaction.I am not talking about conflict necessarily , per se,
either,other unbeknown responsibilities that might come with that territory.
Probably there ARE rules of procedure regarding such hypothetical interfacing of
.to put it mildly different cultures on the part of .........the space invaders...

We are like fish in a fishbowl to them

They are not ignoring. We are like fish in a fishbowl to them.

Astronomers say there are 300 billion stars in our galaxy alone. They further estimate that 30 billion of these stars are similar to our own Sun. I mean, seriously. The odds that we humans are the only intelligent life form in the universe is a statistical impossibility.

I don't think the question is "are they out there?" I think the question is "why are they ignoring us?"

Could it be they're ignoring us because, at this point, we have nothing to offer? Our Sun is a billion years younger than the average star in our little corner of the Milky Way. That makes our solar system a "newborn baby" by local standards.

So picture yourself as a galactic explorer on a mission to gather facts and figures and cultural insights. Who would you visit first? The adults or the newborn babies?



p.s. - my previous comment is redundant because I forgot to "adapt" it to the peculiarities of this website, which I'm sure Farxad can relate to now that he's seen all the ???s in his post.

Astronomers say there are 300 billion stars in our galaxy alone. They also estimate that 30 billion of these stars are similar to our own Sun. I mean, seriously. The odds of we humans being the only intelligent life form in ALL the universe is a statistical impossibility.

I don???t think the question is ???are they out there???? I think the question is ???why are they ignoring us????

Could it be they???re ignoring us because we have nothing to offer? Our Sun is a billion years younger than the average star in our little corner of the Milky Way. That makes our solar system a ???newborn baby??? by local standards.

So if you???re tooling around the galaxy gathering facts and figures and cultural anecdotes, who would you interview first? The adults or the newborn babies?











































Comment: Hundreds of years ago people believed in demons and angels and so on, but that???s because they couldn???t explain a lot of things that were happening. Now we made a lot of progress in all kinds of sciences, which helped us to explain things that seemed weird in the past.
If we will talk about intergalactic travels, how do we know that it???s impossible, if we still can???t figure out how to fight cancer and many other sicknesses, and we are talking about coming out with some different types of energy or some new technology that will make space travels possible?
What really doesn???t make sense is: how is it even possible that we are alone in our huge galaxy, and I???m not talking about the other ones. Why is something similar not possible on some other planet?
Yes, maybe we are seeing things under some magnetic stimulation, but we were able to go to space and now are planning on landing on Mars.

Hundreds of years ago people believed in demons and angels and so on, but that???s because they couldn???t explain a lot of things that were happening. Now we made a lot of progress in all kinds of sciences, which helped us to explain things that seemed weird in the past.
If we will talk about intergalactic travels, how do we know that it???s impossible, if we still can???t figure out how to fight cancer and many other sicknesses, and we are talking about coming out with some different types of energy or some new technology that will make space travels possible?
What really doesn???t make sense is: how is it even possible that we are alone in our huge galaxy, and I???m not talking about the other ones. Why is something similar not possible on some other planet?
Yes, maybe we are seeing things under some magnetic stimulation, but we were able to go to space and now are planning on landing on Mars.