‘Demons in the Dark’

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  • Posted By: wiredless @ 01/21/2008 11:23:59 PM

    I am just an average man, 48 years old. I am honest, conservative and pretty much a straight arrow., I spent 5 years active duty in the USAF as well. 4 years ago while on vacation in Curacao myself, my wife and another couple witnessed 2 objects in the sky that intelligently moved in ways that any of us had ever seen in our lives.There is not doubt in our minds that these were UFO's. Two days later there was an item on CNN about several hundred people in California witnessing similar objects in the sky.
    Many people believe that there is the possiblity of alien life and even most skeptics conceed that mathimatically there may be life somehwere in the universe,, but let me tell you for us it was not an exciting feeling to be witness to this and to be made aware that we truly are not alone, it's disturbing, odd and a bit frightening.
    At first I shared this experience with some family members and close friends ,but I no longer speak of this with other people, or even mention it if the subject comes becasue when I do I am confronted with incredible skepticism and people want to begin to try and explain away what I tell them was witnessed.

























  • Posted By: observer101 @ 01/21/2008 6:12:44 PM

    Scientists cant explain how the pyramids were built, why or how stone henge was put up, or where the heck Myans went all of a sudden. But they can explain away UFO sightings. Even though they are obvious in paintings from waaay before aircraft was even invented. Geez even the bible mentions them for they religous folks out there. As if its a fact that WE are the only intelligent beings in the universe. It seems scientists of today are so errogant, to think they are the only intelligent beings. Funny they cant figure out how the "ignorant" ppl from the past really built or constructed what they have...guess the scientist dont really know it all ...do they?

  • Posted By: AH1986 @ 01/21/2008 5:05:21 PM

    (sigh) It makes me sad to think that the great "thinkers" of our time insist on putting limitations on our abilities simply because they encounter something that they can't explain. there are trillions of different stars out there, each with their own solar system. I'm no physicist, but if you look at the odds in comparison to the advancements that mankind has made within the last 150 years, and then add another billion to that,, it gets me thinking. Maybe there are other people out there who have lived longer than us. Beings that are smarter than us. That have made breakthrough's that we haven't even thought were possible. The bottom line is that these "experts" in our time are so self-centered, and egotistical they lack the ability to say, "i don't know" . Like I said before, if we keep on putting limitations on ourselves, our progress as a race will stagnate, and we will become complacent with what we only think we know now.

  • Posted By: Looey323 @ 01/21/2008 2:37:20 PM

    i have never seen a UFGO, tho I have seen things aht required a little while to come up with the explanation. And I have seen things tht were touted on TV as UFO's that I saw later and found the explanation for.

    I think a very large %age of the "sightings" are UML's. unexplained moving lights.

    • Posted By: moderate thinker @ 01/21/2008 3:48:25 PM

      Billions of galaxies and billions of stars within those galaxies is a fact. No one said there were billions of species traveling interstellar space and visiting our planet.
      The lottery referred to could, in fact, be any lottery, since the odds of wining is generally in the millions.

  • Posted By: TrickeyMickey @ 01/20/2008 10:17:43 AM

    What is our Government trying to hide? Why even try to explain away a sighting. I believe it's simply to appease the people that are outrage at the thought that we are not supreme. These people are so narrow minded and fearful of a real first contact that other speicies are afraid to contact us. We that believe in UFO's and other races are not the crazy ones. It is the non-believers that are the crazy ones. This is a worn out subject and like other such subjects, even after it is proven true, there will still be non-believers.

    • Posted By: Cassius @ 01/21/2008 3:40:41 PM

      The Government is in total fear, because if these beings tuly existed, they would quite possibly lose the control over society that they enjoy now. What if we actually made contact and started to learn much better ways of doing.......everything? Would the whole power/class based system we know so well be in jeopardy if more intelligent life were here?

  • Posted By: Saltydog_0 @ 01/18/2008 4:17:46 PM

    What these scientists fail to address is how multiple people have the same experience at the same time. Sure, if one person tells me they saw a ghost or a UFO, I think "Must have been a mirage, a weather balloon or some magno-chemical-whoziwatzit in their brain." But when several credible people report seeing the same thing, explaining it away as "magnetic stimulation of their temporal lobe" is a more ridiculous and biased claim than the original sighting. It seems extremely hypocritical that scientists, of all people, approach the question of UFOs with a presumption of fact. They do not seek to find IF there was a worldly explanation for the subjects' observations; rather, they assume there must be and seek to find WHAT the worldly explanation is. This is contradictory to the scientific method.

    Personally, I have never seen a ghost or a UFO. I agree with whoever said "Extrordinary claims require extrordinary proof". I won't believe in extraterrestrials until a little green man knocks on my door and shakes my hand, but I won't accept a mishmash of theory and conjecture that makes absolutely no sense as "proof" that there aren't extraterrestrials. By definition a UFO is unexplained. Let's leave it at that. If it makes you so uncomfortable to not have an explanation for phenomena that you cling to implausible rationalizations, I suggest you avoid scientific pursuits and find a more mundane occupation. Please don't think your title of "scientist" lends credibility to untenable conclusions. It's insulting to real scientists.

    • Posted By: Brian_in_FL @ 01/19/2008 3:29:23 AM

      "I won't believe in extraterrestrials until a little green man knocks on my door and shakes my hand."

      I'm just curious if hold that same standard toward religion.

      • Posted By: Saltydog_0 @ 01/21/2008 3:39:15 PM

        By religion, I assume you mean God. I definitely believe religion exists. I've seen the blood.

        I believe God exists also, but don't believe he, she, they or it is in any way definable. My definition of God is "?". I don't need anybody else to see God the same way. Live and let live.

  • Posted By: Looey323 @ 01/21/2008 2:54:08 PM

    i think it is telling tht the advocates of intelligent life UFOs are those who postulate Billions and Billions of plantest, with Billion s and Billions of lifeforms, based on the laws of chance justbhappening to have made little green men billions of times, all of whom seem to find us fascinating. It boggles statistics.
    And then tht every one of them is benign, but just flies by and observes us...evey one of these different creatures, in the different UMLs. I noted in one post the number of POTENTIAL solar systems is number bigger than man can comprehend...the move from there to the assumption, and from there says the odds for UFOs are greater than winning a lottery...not sure which one, but some lottery. A tremendous amount of conjecture and wishful thinking.
    I am exceedinly sceptical that all these billions of races are laid out like us but mostly green and large heads., and deep black eyes without pupils.
    I am even more scepticl since my one bruish with n "expert' was at my home town college, where some girls in a corner dorn room saw moving rednand yellowmlihts, on a very foggy night, comming from the directio of the local airport! The expert came, watched from their wondow all night, and then declared it was clear we had been visited.
    I have rel problems withseeing a rotating set of lights in a fog ner an airport was proof o a uFO, but it was to the Expert1 I don't think much of the "expert' for missing the obvious!

  • Posted By: moderate thinker @ 01/21/2008 1:18:00 PM

    Ok - I read most of the posts in this thread, but I didn't have time to read in detail.
    I doubt few people would dispute that there are billions of stars in our galaxy. The next step is to understand that there are billions of galaxies. The number of potential solar systems is higher than any number you can imagine. Now the people that don't believe in UFO's are the same ones that will go out and buy a lottery ticket. The odds of there being other intelligent life in the universe if much greater than your odds of winning the lottery. I have never seen a UFO. I would love to before I die. Just to satisfy my own curiosity.
    I have not seen a post here refer to the 1938 radio broadcast of War of The Worlds and the widespread panic that it caused. I believe that the government still sees the public as it was 70 years ago. They lie to us because they do not believe we could deal with the truth.
    As for travel between galaxies - computer speed doubles every few weeks it seems. There are hundreds of scientific discoveries every day. Does anyone really believe that we are not capable of developing other types of propulsion over the next few decades?????
    As for the use of lights on UFO's - the light could be part of the propulsion system or a means of communication. (Yes that theory was used in Close Encounters, but it doesn't make it impossible or improbable.) It certainly has nothing to do with obeying FAA guidelines.
    UFO information is really just the tip of the iceberg compared to what our government withholds.

  • Posted By: doc_duke @ 01/21/2008 12:25:24 PM

    I have been researching Unidentified Flying Objects and Ufology in general for many years from a scientific bias. I am also a dedicated pupil of Social Psychology. Human beings are always (by our own inevitable nature) trying to gain knowledge and place representative labels, or explanations, on everything. That being said, the evidence certainly suggests that these are some form of (in thier own way) intelligent life coming to pay a visit (for WHATEVER reason) because we see them in the SKY, not coming up from the ground or walking right up to us in the street, which, would suggest something more local. People with a more spiritual or religious background might say that they are angels, or as the headline states, demons. Whatever "they" are, I sincerely believe we should be beyond questioning whether or not they EXIST. Of that I have no doubt. Millions of people see them every year, all around the world, and we have some very genuine video coverage of that, to an extent. (Dont argue the hoax theory either, I am sure more than half, yet not all, are fake) What we should be questioning, with all due respect, is WHAT they are, as many citizens (private, official, scientific and religious) already are. Yes thats right, WHAT not IF. Personally, from the data I have gathered, have a slight sense of dread as an apposition to the enlightenment many more eccentrics would argue. Not necessarily fear, as I am not a very controlling person, but a combination of dreadful curiousity and a natural thirst for knowledge. Plainly, I just think people should more concerned with why they are here and in the first place, WHAT they are. Also, to anyone who is still simply questioning the existence of UFOs...come on out of the dark my naive fellow, the truth doesnt hurt THAT bad.....i hope!

  • Posted By: doc_duke @ 01/21/2008 12:25:04 PM

    I have been researching Unidentified Flying Objects and Ufology in general for many years from a scientific bias. I am also a dedicated pupil of Social Psychology. Human beings are always (by our own inevitable nature) trying to gain knowledge and place representative labels, or explanations, on everything. That being said, the evidence certainly suggests that these are some form of (in thier own way) intelligent life coming to pay a visit (for WHATEVER reason) because we see them in the SKY, not coming up from the ground or walking right up to us in the street, which, would suggest something more local. People with a more spiritual or religious background might say that they are angels, or as the headline states, demons. Whatever "they" are, I sincerely believe we should be beyond questioning whether or not they EXIST. Of that I have no doubt. Millions of people see them every year, all around the world, and we have some very genuine video coverage of that, to an extent. (Dont argue the hoax theory either, I am sure more than half, yet not all, are fake) What we should be questioning, with all due respect, is WHAT they are, as many citizens (private, official, scientific and religious) already are. Yes thats right, WHAT not IF. Personally, from the data I have gathered, have a slight sense of dread as an apposition to the enlightenment many more eccentrics would argue. Not necessarily fear, as I am not a very controlling person, but a combination of dreadful curiousity and a natural thirst for knowledge. Plainly, I just think people should more concerned with why they are here and in the first place, WHAT they are. Also, to anyone who is still simply questioning the existence of UFOs...come on out of the dark my naive fellow, the truth doesnt hurt THAT bad.....i hope!

  • Posted By: rwolkows @ 01/21/2008 12:02:35 AM

    Check out the 'Discloure Project' press conference. The Media thinks we are all idiots. UFO's are real and the media tries to use invalid scientific textbook type answers to discredit what people see. This is the worst explanation I have seen yet: "Many UFO sightings come during a period of earthquakes, when shifts in the earth's plates alter the atmosphere's magnetic charges. So it's not surprising that people's brains could vividly experience what seems to be a UFO sighting or even an alien abduction."

    • Posted By: freeyourmind @ 01/21/2008 10:18:12 AM

      On another note, I find the Earthquake magnetic brain interference mass illusion explination pretty laughable myself. Where are the data to support such an extravagant claim?

  • Posted By: rwolkows @ 01/21/2008 12:12:06 AM

    I feel bad for all the people who read this article and dismiss this UFO sighting. This a perfect example of how the government controls all media.

    • Posted By: freeyourmind @ 01/21/2008 10:15:57 AM

      You know, a comment like that essentially falsifies itself. If the government controls all media, then why would your comment have been posted? Remember it gets about the same media audience as this article for a portion of the time.

      I'm not saying government does weild great influence over large scale media, but it is not as complete as you seem to be suggesting, and your own comment is evidence to that effect.

  • Posted By: kbouzy @ 01/21/2008 10:13:10 AM

    This article is nothing more than part of the longstanding campaign to misguide and re-direct the public away from the truth of extraterrestrial occurences in the absence of adequate explanations. Notice there is even a comment attempting to explain away Roswell from 50 years ago. If that sighting was really just his headlights on a telephone wire, why has it been kept Top Secret for over 50 years? How did so many other people witness the same phenomenon? Haven't we come far enough as a society that we can face truth and seek answers corporately? In this campaign year, everyone is talking about "change." Why don't we start by returning the media to an entitiy that reports the news rather than attempts to shape public opinion through government sanctioned propoganda, and by declassifying and subjecting to public inquiry the long held information on record regarding Roswell and the hundreds of other "real" phenomenon that have been authenticated over the years?

  • Posted By: krhoades @ 01/21/2008 7:36:16 AM

    Icant believe this article ended using so much space trying to explain away the reasons for why people have seen things that we cannot explain yet. What;s up with that???

  • Posted By: surafel @ 01/21/2008 6:00:28 AM

    The "scientific" explanation to ridicule the UFO sightings of so many people is unjusifiable. The explanation might hold true to one person experience. If the sightings are labelled as illusion coming out of sleep deprivation then diffrent people should have reported diffrent types of sightings. however this has not been the case. Spurious explanation, reductionism and dismisive out look can not help grab the truth.

  • Posted By: woodman @ 01/20/2008 9:24:05 PM

    Whatever the Newsweek reporter and his 'experts' get paid for fulfilling their duty of filling a few pages with ink, this is about the most ludicrous babble if seen, since the government tried to dicredit UFO witnesses in the 60's, as having seen 'swamp gas'! I understand scientists desire to try to explain everything in a rational way, but one of the cardinal rules of scientific study is to OBSERVE. So, how can they present their theories, when they have not OBSERVED the phenomenom themselves?!

  • Posted By: TomF @ 01/20/2008 8:37:53 PM

    I guess NEWSWEEK deserves some credit for elevating UFO talk one modest notch above the giggly, dismissive derision normally doled out by mainstream media. But this piece makes me wonder if your editors think their main mission is not to explore and educate and question, but to reassure us that the world is perfectly safe and predictable -- even in the face of vast evidence to the contrary.

  • Posted By: mike1964 @ 01/20/2008 9:38:53 AM

    moderatethinker-an intelligent and beautifully explained comment. Bravo!

    • Posted By: moderatethinker @ 01/20/2008 7:07:28 PM



      Thank you, mike1964. I am not familiar with this site, but it would appear if you hold the "enter" key too long, your message is repeated, as is evidenced above...

      I can't help but think that all of the collective thought represented here is a dull voice. Why is that?

  • Posted By: Shayleigh @ 01/20/2008 7:04:09 PM

    UFOs don't bother landing because they are looking for what they consider intelligent life on this planet. They haven't found any yet.

  • Posted By: Shayleigh @ 01/20/2008 6:59:57 PM

    UFOs are real. They are checking for intelligent life here and haven't found any yet.

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