‘Demons in the Dark’

UFO's are real when you look at the evidence. One might pose, what evidence? The evidence is why would people for ages have descibed them? what would benefit for example hundreds of people involved with Roswell.

It is obvious that the government is not keeping a secret. In fact, if you pay attention the government is telling us they exist. Just because the President has not come on television at 9pm and addressed the world that they exist does not mean that basically the government is admitting they exist.

There are hundreds of well known and substantiated cases. The Belgian incident involving 10,000 witnesses,the Phoenix lights (hundreds...maybe thousands of credible witnesses),Roswell--in which well known figures have come forth saying it what was a UFO crash ( LT. COL. Philip Corso (RET.), Russian citizens finding a crashed UFO after its own government shot it down, and I could go on.

The problem is we do not understand how teleporting may work with a magnetic , laser technology, or some other combination of propulsion. To us it seems impossible. But we are the same people who thought the Earth was flat.

Keeping walking monkeys....one day you may stand erect.

When it comes to UFOs, the term I have trouble with is "government conspiracy." I've been a member of the Armed Forces and worked as a civilian for the federal government. In my humble opinion, I don't think our government is capable of concealing an event as pivotal as extraterrestrial contact.

Could the military occasionally be manipulating UFO media coverage just to deflect public attention from some classified SNAFU? You bet. But that's pretty mundane stuff compared to hiding the biggest secret of all time from 300 million American citizens.

Let's face it, the U.S. government is primarily a political body comprised of flawed and fallible people like you and me. The various branches and agencies constantly compete for more funding, more personnel, more clout in general. As with all large organizations our government, at any given time and any given level, has its share of disgruntled employees and burned-out executives. Does this sound like a scenario where you could keep a tight, permanent lid on the biggest secret of all time?

And here's another question: Why would an advanced civilization choose to contact politicians in the first place? Consider the fact that once Klaatu got a taste of our political bureaucracy, he decided to snub Harry Truman altogether and walked over to Professor Barnhardt's house instead.

No, that reminds me of a cartoon, in my head, I don't know if I remember it or made it up...,they(whomever the flying fellows are, in the
little static electric metal tea cups) Cartoon...SETI is set up with elaborate gear and there is a tiny entity tapping
a headphone wearing guy(SETI guy) on the shoulder, he shushes it away and says 'wait Im trying to listen'.
Is that the kind of malignant myopia that pervades the science world? Probably not , but
id love to hear one guy say that the concepts that we grasp are outgrowth of the schematic
of the way we think.We are comfortable with those modalities.Anyway that conversation could
go on forever...but there might be other 'modalities'that are not us or the way we think.
There is evidence from some of these military that some 'contact' has in rare cases been made, has
been information that
has been lets say ..not fully shared with those who put their seal of credibility on such information.
I never believed in conspiracies but secrecy is an self-empowered right, constitutionally when
that secrecy falls within the elastic boundaries of national security, to invoke secrecy.
Again,we've used our senses for thousands of years to survive.If we were in times
when whe didnt know what a meteorite was and one went by , ....
we still would have seen it, recorded it , corroborated it with other sighted persons..yes?
We are bad at telling the future but the science fiction stuff , much of which has come true,
we still are skeptical and disbelieving of some things and cull and cherry pick what we
choose is comfortable for us to believe, in those stories of fiction ,as we do cherry pick, in the world of fact.

Also, the term "believing in UFOs" must have come from some hyperbolic Sci-FI pulp Mag from the 50's
that capitlizes on peoples hysteria.
Its a term that is used,condescendingly to equate , again.'The need to believe' theory and
almost synonymously use the term interchangeably with 'believe in God' or believe in Boogie men.
Its not a faith issue.
Except faith in ones own common sense ability to asses what is anomalous and in front of ones own
eyes.

As neither a believer or non-believer in UFOs, I'm never the less always struck by the arrogance within the scientific community as displayed by the comment that intergalactic space travel is nearly impossible according to simple physics. If there is anything the scientific community can be certain about it is that statements such as that, when looked back upon from future generations seem ignorant.

oh, you might want to check out Jim Sanborn and his sculptures: Cryptos, Antipodes, and Cyrillic. What book jacket had symbols on it, and where did they come from? We're waiting for his next book. While surely not of Bourne Ultimatum drama and violence, some peoples lives do reflect similar journey's. Read his books. It's the 70's Christmas symbology, so twisted, twisted, twisted.

creptylou: What's your phone number? I'd like to chat? LOL. Think Tesla, Von Nueman, Phoenix, Nazi's, Dulles, Eisenhower was a mouthpiece for the power holders, MK Ultra, Mockingbird, Montauk, and well persinger, among many, many, many others, maybe even your neighbor, parent, or friend. It's either all us or us and them. Period. None of this would be happening without the powers that be knowing. Absolutely impossible. As far as modern history and technology goes, I personally think there is a high degree of likelihood that this stuff goes back to Teddy Roosevelt. Anyone have insight into TEDdy's connection to Tesla?. Remember, Tesla was in Colorado Springs in the few years preceeding Teddy's presidency. This was when Tesla made his first speculative insights into gravity and longitudinal electromagnetic waves (as the obscured history tells it). It's fairly clear that when Tesla died on January 7, 1943 (imprtant date) the FBI was jonny on the spot to gather his most important papers and lock them up in the caverns of a deep "black" hole in the ground. As it's told, by 1939 Tesla had, what he thought, was a working theory of the fundamentals of gravity. Hey, when you hold two magnets near each other, which wins. Is it that the force of gravity pulls you and the magnets like a pancake against the earth's crust? Or, is it that the magnets snap together when close enough to one another while you stand erect. Oh betty and Barney, where are you now? Tesla, what did you do? Darkness, imprisoning me _ just a take from an old metallica song. The one's you really want to listen to are Ride the Lightening, Master of Puppets, Fade to Black, God That Failed, and of course "4" Horsemen. Purge the world of belief, oh please do, let us all purge the world of belief. Belief amounts to misinformed speculation arising from lack of critical thought (or insufficient valid evidence)alligned with emotional processes = wishing or fearful thinking and feeling. Imagine if we all believed nothing, how much better a place the world would be. We could all then heartfully engage in embracing one another for simply what we are; thinking/feeling creatures. How's my spelling? Nuff said.

Yes , once you dispense with the 'sole civilization' presumption which is totally anecdotal at this point,
it would be fatuous to rule the existence of other life elsewhere, we could be nearly as common
as galaxies themselves , our own little corner of the universe , just being a' city block.'
(Even the presumption that we are the only planet with water was total hypothesis.)
Weve used our senses for many years to ascertain our environment,
Our assessing a metal craft that is flying in the air as being not one of ours, were probably right about that.

Military tests weird stuff sure , its not my first guess that they would be joy riding over populated
areas, 'cowboys' though some test pilots may be.. i really doubt that.
That would fly in the face of their billion dollar secrecy budgets for development, with the understanding
that those things are kept secret.

Since this was characterized as a scientific commentary, I'd think there are enough credible and otherwise unexplainable phenomenon to lend credence to them being "not from this earth". Looking at the universe we live in, it would be similarly reasonable to assume that there are other intelligent life forms, quite likely many of which are far more advanced than us.
If these are reasonable assumptions, then "visitations" are not out of the question. I've always wondered why the big secret regarding UFOs by the government. Then I realized that any UFO visitations would invariably involve time travel. With the time paradox and concerns of affecting the future, I can see why these visitors (if that is what some of these are) would guard against becoming know.
Who knows, its certainly possible that some UFOs are actually visitors from distant planets. If there are more advanced cultures, it's quite credible they'd be interested in our development.

1. The former Governor of Arizona, Fife Symington, held a press conference that included a dozen other military and government witnesses who testified to encounters with very large (on the scale of a mile-long) objects that were visually observed, chased by fighter jets, and recorded on radar. Governor Symington's exact words regarding the Phoenix LIghts event in 1997 was that his investigation led him to believe 'some form of an alien spacecraft' was flying over Phoenix that night. See: freedomofinfo.org

2. The British Ministry of Defence (MoD) denied for 50 years they had a UFO research desk. Then, early last year, they admitted to the existence of the organization, called DI55. Nick Pope, the head of that organization. has held several press interviews over the past year indicating that a volume of 50-year secret UFO files will be released this spring (e.g. March 2008). He indicates that people will be very surprised and taken aback as to what is in those files.

3. If the military supposedly "can't keep secrets", then how in the world would the military keep a MILE-LONG experimental aircraft secret, that can fly at tremendous acceleration and speed? The more likely scenario is that these are NOT secret aircraft that employ technology that humans have never been known to achieve (by a LONG stretch). It is much more likely the military scrambled fighter jets to intercept the objects over Texas. It is much more likely that the military can't keep secrets, and it DOESN'T know what these things are (just like the public). The only secret the military is keeping is that they don't want to admit they can't catch-up-to, control, or otherwise protect the nation from whatever these objects are.

Ug, I was not going to read it because I knew it was going to be tripe. But I went ahead and read it because all perspectives theoretically should be observed, and found this beauty:

"The mirror image of the belief in UFOs is disbelief in historic events, like the moon landing."

Just kill me. Why do people write about things that they know nothing about? Why do they make conjecture like this based on zero knowledge or evidence other than decisions they have made in their minds? I do realize this happens on all sides of the discussion, but in a magazine of this status?

I suppose they don't know what they don't know, but it amazes me that people without a clue are given "positions of wisdom". Obviously this person believes what he was told to believe and he feels damn good about it because now he's teaching us the same.

Well after reading that article, I felt one thing: disgust.

Ug, I was not going to read it because I knew it was going to be tripe. But I went ahead and read it because all perspectives theoretically should be observed, and found this beauty:

"The mirror image of the belief in UFOs is disbelief in historic events, like the moon landing."

Just kill me. Why do people write about things that they know nothing about? Why do they make conjecture like this based on zero knowledge or evidence other than decisions they have made in their minds? I do realize this happens on all sides of the discussion, but in a magazine of this status?

I suppose they don't know what they don't know, but it amazes me that people without a clue are given "positions of wisdom". Obviously this person believes what he was told to believe and he feels damn good about it because now he's teaching us the same.

Well after reading that article, I felt one thing: disgust.

This article is an insult to the intelligence of the citizenry. Dr. Richard Haines (once NASA's Chief Scientist for Space and Human Factors) has collected 3000 officially documented pilot sightings cases available at www.narcap.org. Many include near misses with so-called UFOs which made hair-pin turns that our current understanding of physics dictates are impossible----as well as Electromagnetic effects experienced by airplane equipment when near these craft. I guess the pilots were busy trying to construct a new mythology. Can't newsweek get someone with more competence to do a thorough analysis?

this is fun.I never really believed these things (ufos) existed until I got past
the goofball stuff . I then ,oddly on of all issues, came to the (hopefully not too wacky of a conclusion)some of what these people said they had seen, and their stories seemed credible.

Now as , mentioned in the posting below, many military and people from engineering and design
backgrounds have divulged with pretty staggering impact that they have witnessed ET craft
in various environments.
Prior to the last few years, this matter did not have the 'jurisprudential weight'
(as Frank had said in below posting)that is now lent to the subject by these people coming forward.
That is, if people don't entirely ignore their desire to share this information and more importantly ,
the opportunity to set the record straight on what can actually be kept secret from the public.
If you just look up the disclosure project on youtube you'll find it.
There are a couple of other interesting videos as well.